Iowa gets Davis today...

[maintain242001]

good news...this was the must get in this class as he is in our backyard.

[atemp]

good news...this was the must get in this class as he is in our backyard.

That's pretty big. Hopefully things are starting to turn around...

[MikeyJoe]

Apparently, those who have seem him and Arrington play have said that Davis is the better of the two.

[The Game]

Apparently, those who have seem him and Arrington play have said that Davis is the better of the two.

You want to bet he's not better in Arrington when they leave college?

[Platon Karataev]

Apparently, those who have seem him and Arrington play have said that Davis is the better of the two.

You want to bet he's not better in Arrington when they leave college?

Arrington isn't that high of a bar.

[MikeyJoe]

Apparently, those who have seem him and Arrington play have said that Davis is the better of the two.

You want to bet he's not better in Arrington when they leave college?
Why would I want to bet about that?

[The Game]

Apparently, those who have seem him and Arrington play have said that Davis is the better of the two.

You want to bet he's not better in Arrington when they leave college?

Arrington isn't that high of a bar.

Yeah, a guy who caught 67 passes for 882 and 8 touchdowns with a pretty much a backup quarterback all last year isn't setting the bar very high.

And when that receiver had his quarterback back, he only caught 9 passes for 153 yards and 2 touchdowns on Florida.

Besides Iowa's all out passing attack in 2004, there really isn't anybody that's close to what Arrington did at Michigan in one year.

--
Let's compare that to Iowa the past couple of years..

2007:

Johnson-Koulianos, D 12 38 482 12.7 2 38 40.2
Cleveland, James 12 36 464 12.9 0 40 38.7
Young, Albert 12 23 212 9.2 1 37 17.7
Myers, Brandon 12 21 208 9.9 5 22 17.3
Chaney, Jr., Paul 10 19 210 11.1 1 29 21.0

2006:
Douglas, D. 13 49 654 13.3 2 37 50.3
Chandler, Scott 13 46 591 12.8 6 64 45.5
Brodell, Andy 12 39 724 18.6 5 63 60.3
Young, Albert 11 30 225 7.5 1 35 20.5
Grigsby, Herb 10 27 282 10.4 0 45 28.2
Stross, Trey 13 13 189 14.5 1 47 14.5
Moeaki, Tony 13 11 140 12.7 3 35 10.8
Sims, Damian 13 10 133 13.3 0 35 10.2

2005:
Chandler, Scott 12 47 552 11.7 2 37 46.0
Solomon, Clinton 12 46 800 17.4 7 78 66.7
Hinkel, Ed 9 40 518 12.9 7 46 57.6
Grigsby, Herb 12 25 335 13.4 3 33 27.9
Young, Albert 12 24 244 10.2 0 51 20.3
Majerus, Ryan 12 10 95 9.5 2 27 7.9
Moeaki, Tony 12 8 112 14.0 0 36 9.3
Melloy, Matt 8 8 103 12.9 1 22 12.9


2004 (iowa's all passing team):
RECEIVING GP No. Yds Avg TD Long Avg/G
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Hinkel, Ed 12 63 744 11.8 7 43 62.0
Solomon, Clinton 12 58 905 15.6 6 57 75.4
Holloway, Warren 12 29 283 9.8 1 56 23.6
Chandler, Scott 12 24 324 13.5 2 46 27.0
Mickens, Aaron 11 15 85 5.7 0 14 7.7
Lewis, Jermelle 4 8 109 13.6 0 28 27.2
Jackson, Tony 12 7 82 11.7 1 24 6.8

2003:
RECEIVING GP No. Yds Avg TD Long Avg/G
------------------------------------------------------
Ochoa, Ramon 13 34 477 14.0 6 51 36.7
Brown, Maurice 8 33 507 15.4 4 44 63.4
Davis, Calvin 11 23 330 14.3 1 46 30.0
Cervantes, E. 13 17 137 8.1 0 21 10.5
Jensen, Erik 12 16 182 11.4 1 24 15.2
Melloy, Matt 13 10 155 15.5 2 37 11.9
Hinkel, Ed 9 10 108 10.8 1 23 12.0

[The Game]

Apparently, those who have seem him and Arrington play have said that Davis is the better of the two.

You want to bet he's not better in Arrington when they leave college?
Why would I want to bet about that?

I don't know. Why did anyone try to compare him to Arrington?

I always like these comparisons. Reminds me of DJK and his hype - only to be let down fairly quickly.

[MikeyJoe]

You want to bet he's not better in Arrington when they leave college?
Why would I want to bet about that?

I don't know. Why did anyone try to compare him to Arrington?
Because they have seen them both play, and as they play the same position, it makes sense to compare the college potential of player against the other.

[The Game]

I'll also like to add Mario Manningham's stats onto Arrington's.

75 passes for 1,174 yards (16.3 avg.) 12 touchdowns.

[The Game]

Why would I want to bet about that?

I don't know. Why did anyone try to compare him to Arrington?
Because they have seen them both play, and as they play the same position, it makes sense to compare the college potential of player against the other.

And potential is potential.

Blake Larsen was supposed to be the next big thing too.

Don't get yourself caught up in "potential."

[MikeyJoe]

I don't know. Why did anyone try to compare him to Arrington?
Because they have seen them both play, and as they play the same position, it makes sense to compare the college potential of player against the other.

And potential is potential.

Blake Larsen was supposed to be the next big thing too.

Don't get yourself caught up in "potential."
I'll bear that in mind the next time I'm relating a story that someone else told me.

Take it somewhere else.

[The Game]

Because they have seen them both play, and as they play the same position, it makes sense to compare the college potential of player against the other.

And potential is potential.

Blake Larsen was supposed to be the next big thing too.

Don't get yourself caught up in "potential."
I'll bear that in mind the next time I'm relating a story that someone else told me.

Take it somewhere else.

Add on Kirk Ferentz' run, run, pass, and punt approach, and there's no way, Davis even comes close to Arrington.

[MikeyJoe]

Oh well.

[Debit One]

Why did anyone try to compare him to Arrington?


Oh, I don't know. Maybe it's because they're both highly rated WRs from Cedar Rapids Washington.

[The Game]

Why did anyone try to compare him to Arrington?


Oh, I don't know. Maybe it's because they're both highly rated WRs from Cedar Rapids Washington.

And comparing a guy who's in the NFL to a guy who has even set foot on a college campus is fair?

[Debit One]

Why did anyone try to compare him to Arrington?


Oh, I don't know. Maybe it's because they're both highly rated WRs from Cedar Rapids Washington.

And comparing a guy who's in the NFL to a guy who has even set foot on a college campus is fair?

Do you really think that anyone is saying that Keenan Davis is better than Adrian Arrington right now?

I'd say that the comparison is as they were at the same age, and I have no problem with those who are familiar with both making that comparison.

[Platon Karataev]

I'll also like to add Mario Manningham's stats onto Arrington's.

75 passes for 1,174 yards (16.3 avg.) 12 touchdowns.

Why are you discussing Mario Manningham?

Arringtonw as mentioned because they went to the same high school. It's a pretty natural comparison to make.

Arrington wound up with similar career statistics to Clinton Solomon, who was hardly an all-world receiver. He was picked in the 7th round, and given his relative lack of speed (13.5 yards per catch is not that great) and bulk (6-3, 195) I would be surprised if he stuck around the NFL consistently. I'm not bashing him, but he was a good college player and not much more. He probably more or less lived up to his hype (which I recall being a high-3 low-4 star player).

I don't think it's unfathomable that Davis could do the same, given his similar size, rating, and background. He'll also be playing with the same coach (Campbell) that Arrington did. Being a 50-70 catch receiver in college football really isn't that unheard of.

[The Game]

I'll also like to add Mario Manningham's stats onto Arrington's.

75 passes for 1,174 yards (16.3 avg.) 12 touchdowns.

Why are you discussing Mario Manningham?

Arringtonw as mentioned because they went to the same high school. It's a pretty natural comparison to make.

Arrington wound up with similar career statistics to Clinton Solomon, who was hardly an all-world receiver. He was picked in the 7th round, and given his relative lack of speed (13.5 yards per catch is not that great) and bulk (6-3, 195) I would be surprised if he stuck around the NFL consistently. I'm not bashing him, but he was a good college player and not much more. He probably more or less lived up to his hype (which I recall being a high-3 low-4 star player).

I don't think it's unfathomable that Davis could do the same, given his similar size, rating, and background. He'll also be playing with the same coach (Campbell) that Arrington did. Being a 50-70 catch receiver in college football really isn't that unheard of.

Was Clinton Solomon Tate's #1 reciever?

What about Michigan's situation? Was Arrington a #1 at Michigan? I didn't think so.

So to say he "doesn't" set the bar high is pretty damn laughable, but of course, I am talking to the same group of guys who touted DJK as the next Reggie Bush (in playmaking skills).

[Platon Karataev]

I'll also like to add Mario Manningham's stats onto Arrington's.

75 passes for 1,174 yards (16.3 avg.) 12 touchdowns.

Why are you discussing Mario Manningham?

Arringtonw as mentioned because they went to the same high school. It's a pretty natural comparison to make.

Arrington wound up with similar career statistics to Clinton Solomon, who was hardly an all-world receiver. He was picked in the 7th round, and given his relative lack of speed (13.5 yards per catch is not that great) and bulk (6-3, 195) I would be surprised if he stuck around the NFL consistently. I'm not bashing him, but he was a good college player and not much more. He probably more or less lived up to his hype (which I recall being a high-3 low-4 star player).

I don't think it's unfathomable that Davis could do the same, given his similar size, rating, and background. He'll also be playing with the same coach (Campbell) that Arrington did. Being a 50-70 catch receiver in college football really isn't that unheard of.

Was Clinton Solomon Tate's #1 reciever?

What about Michigan's situation? Was Arrington a #1 at Michigan? I didn't think so.


Different offensive systems, Game. Michigan didn't involve the tight end or the runningback into the passing game, or use as much rotation at receiver. Iowa had 4 guys with at least 2 catches per game in 2004, Michigan had just 3 in 2006. Iowa had 5 guys with at least 2 catches per game in 2005, Michigan had just 3 last year. Iowa uses (used? with Campbell?) a lot more rotation and backs/ends than Michigan. I mean, Solomon wasn't even a starter in 2004 but led the team in receiving yards.

As for the DJK comment, I have no clue what you're talking about. I almost feel bad for Johnson-Koulianos because of the pressure overbuilt on him.

[The Game]

Why are you discussing Mario Manningham?

Arringtonw as mentioned because they went to the same high school. It's a pretty natural comparison to make.

Arrington wound up with similar career statistics to Clinton Solomon, who was hardly an all-world receiver. He was picked in the 7th round, and given his relative lack of speed (13.5 yards per catch is not that great) and bulk (6-3, 195) I would be surprised if he stuck around the NFL consistently. I'm not bashing him, but he was a good college player and not much more. He probably more or less lived up to his hype (which I recall being a high-3 low-4 star player).

I don't think it's unfathomable that Davis could do the same, given his similar size, rating, and background. He'll also be playing with the same coach (Campbell) that Arrington did. Being a 50-70 catch receiver in college football really isn't that unheard of.

Was Clinton Solomon Tate's #1 reciever?

What about Michigan's situation? Was Arrington a #1 at Michigan? I didn't think so.


Different offensive systems, Game. Michigan didn't involve the tight end or the runningback into the passing game, or use as much rotation at receiver. Iowa had 4 guys with at least 2 catches per game in 2004, Michigan had just 3 in 2006. Iowa had 5 guys with at least 2 catches per game in 2005, Michigan had just 3 last year. Iowa uses (used? with Campbell?) a lot more rotation and backs/ends than Michigan. I mean, Solomon wasn't even a starter in 2004 but led the team in receiving yards.

As for the DJK comment, I have no clue what you're talking about. I almost feel bad for Johnson-Koulianos because of the pressure overbuilt on him.

Again, my argument lies with your bar set high comment.

Yeah, I don't want a #2 receiver that had 60 something catches for over 800 yards.

[Platon Karataev]

Was Clinton Solomon Tate's #1 reciever?

What about Michigan's situation? Was Arrington a #1 at Michigan? I didn't think so.


Different offensive systems, Game. Michigan didn't involve the tight end or the runningback into the passing game, or use as much rotation at receiver. Iowa had 4 guys with at least 2 catches per game in 2004, Michigan had just 3 in 2006. Iowa had 5 guys with at least 2 catches per game in 2005, Michigan had just 3 last year. Iowa uses (used? with Campbell?) a lot more rotation and backs/ends than Michigan. I mean, Solomon wasn't even a starter in 2004 but led the team in receiving yards.

As for the DJK comment, I have no clue what you're talking about. I almost feel bad for Johnson-Koulianos because of the pressure overbuilt on him.

Again, my argument lies with your bar set high comment.

Yeah, I don't want a #2 receiver that had 60 something catches for over 800 yards.

That had less to do with Arrington than other factors.

If he was so great, why was he a 7th-round pick?

[The Game]

Different offensive systems, Game. Michigan didn't involve the tight end or the runningback into the passing game, or use as much rotation at receiver. Iowa had 4 guys with at least 2 catches per game in 2004, Michigan had just 3 in 2006. Iowa had 5 guys with at least 2 catches per game in 2005, Michigan had just 3 last year. Iowa uses (used? with Campbell?) a lot more rotation and backs/ends than Michigan. I mean, Solomon wasn't even a starter in 2004 but led the team in receiving yards.

As for the DJK comment, I have no clue what you're talking about. I almost feel bad for Johnson-Koulianos because of the pressure overbuilt on him.

Again, my argument lies with your bar set high comment.

Yeah, I don't want a #2 receiver that had 60 something catches for over 800 yards.

That had less to do with Arrington than other factors.

If he was so great, why was he a 7th-round pick?

A lot greater than the shit we have around here.

Who was the last receiver to be drafted out of Iowa? Kevin Kasper in 01?

I know Solomon didn't get drafted. CJ Jones didn't get drafted.

[Platon Karataev]

Again, my argument lies with your bar set high comment.

Yeah, I don't want a #2 receiver that had 60 something catches for over 800 yards.

That had less to do with Arrington than other factors.

If he was so great, why was he a 7th-round pick?

A lot greater than the shit we have around here.

Who was the last receiver to be drafted out of Iowa? Kevin Kasper in 01?

I know Solomon didn't get drafted. CJ Jones didn't get drafted.

Not really relevant to the discussion.

My (correct) assertation stands: declaring Adrian Arrington to be a high bar to reach as a wide receiver in college football is like aspiring to be a Tom Vilsack-like governor. Sure, he did a generally good job, and you wouldn't actively hate him given what followed, but he's really just a dime a dozen guy.

[The Game]

That had less to do with Arrington than other factors.

If he was so great, why was he a 7th-round pick?

A lot greater than the shit we have around here.

Who was the last receiver to be drafted out of Iowa? Kevin Kasper in 01?

I know Solomon didn't get drafted. CJ Jones didn't get drafted.

Not really relevant to the discussion.

My (correct) assertation stands: declaring Adrian Arrington to be a high bar to reach as a wide receiver in college football is like aspiring to be a Tom Vilsack-like governor. Sure, he did a generally good job, and you wouldn't actively hate him given what followed, but he's really just a dime a dozen guy.

How many WRs since Ferentz have been here have been drafted?

Kevin Kasper is one.

---
Let's compare that to Michigan...

Edwards. Manningham. Arrington. Avant. Breaston.

[Platon Karataev]

A lot greater than the shit we have around here.

Who was the last receiver to be drafted out of Iowa? Kevin Kasper in 01?

I know Solomon didn't get drafted. CJ Jones didn't get drafted.

Not really relevant to the discussion.

My (correct) assertation stands: declaring Adrian Arrington to be a high bar to reach as a wide receiver in college football is like aspiring to be a Tom Vilsack-like governor. Sure, he did a generally good job, and you wouldn't actively hate him given what followed, but he's really just a dime a dozen guy.

How many WRs since Ferentz have been here have been drafted?

Kevin Kasper is one.

---
Let's compare that to Michigan...

Edwards. Manningham. Arrington. Avant. Breaston.

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything, other than your irrational hatred for Ferentz and Iowa.

Consider this discussion ended. You're more incoherent than crazed, newsbreaker, isufan98, and Glen Ross in an Obama thread.

[The Game]

Not really relevant to the discussion.

My (correct) assertation stands: declaring Adrian Arrington to be a high bar to reach as a wide receiver in college football is like aspiring to be a Tom Vilsack-like governor. Sure, he did a generally good job, and you wouldn't actively hate him given what followed, but he's really just a dime a dozen guy.

How many WRs since Ferentz have been here have been drafted?

Kevin Kasper is one.

---
Let's compare that to Michigan...

Edwards. Manningham. Arrington. Avant. Breaston.

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything, other than your irrational hatred for Ferentz and Iowa.

Consider this discussion ended. You're more incoherent than crazed, newsbreaker, isufan98, and Glen Ross in an Obama thread.

I'm touting my argument about your bar isn't set high comment.

Iowa has had one WR get drafted in the Ferentz era. Arrington was drafted, and you're saying that the bar from Arrington isn't set high for a #2 receiver.

Again, yeah I don't want a #2 receiver that had almost 70 catches, and 880 yards with a backup quarterback most of the year.

[Jim]

---
Let's compare that to Michigan...

Edwards. Manningham. Arrington. Avant. Breaston.

Who was their coach?

[maintain242001]

---
Let's compare that to Michigan...

Edwards. Manningham. Arrington. Avant. Breaston.

Who was their coach?

thats what gives me some hope that they will have the same coach

[Costanza]

A lot greater than the shit we have around here.

Who was the last receiver to be drafted out of Iowa? Kevin Kasper in 01?

I know Solomon didn't get drafted. CJ Jones didn't get drafted.

Not really relevant to the discussion.

My (correct) assertation stands: declaring Adrian Arrington to be a high bar to reach as a wide receiver in college football is like aspiring to be a Tom Vilsack-like governor. Sure, he did a generally good job, and you wouldn't actively hate him given what followed, but he's really just a dime a dozen guy.

How many WRs since Ferentz have been here have been drafted?

Kevin Kasper is one.

---
Let's compare that to Michigan...

Edwards. Manningham. Arrington. Avant. Breaston.


FWIW Kahlil Hill was drafted by the Falcons in 2002 I believe.

[Edgecrusher7711]

How many WRs since Ferentz have been here have been drafted?

Kevin Kasper is one.

---
Let's compare that to Michigan...

Edwards. Manningham. Arrington. Avant. Breaston.

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything, other than your irrational hatred for Ferentz and Iowa.

Consider this discussion ended. You're more incoherent than crazed, newsbreaker, isufan98, and Glen Ross in an Obama thread.

I'm touting my argument about your bar isn't set high comment.

Iowa has had one WR get drafted in the Ferentz era. Arrington was drafted, and you're saying that the bar from Arrington isn't set high for a #2 receiver.

Again, yeah I don't want a #2 receiver that had almost 70 catches, and 880 yards with a backup quarterback most of the year.

Holy Hell, you're insane. Your argument changes 15 times in one thread. My head literally hurts reading your shit. I mean seriously start at the top of this thread and read through it very slowly and see if you can actually understand what you're saying.

[Glen]

Not really relevant to the discussion.

My (correct) assertation stands: declaring Adrian Arrington to be a high bar to reach as a wide receiver in college football is like aspiring to be a Tom Vilsack-like governor. Sure, he did a generally good job, and you wouldn't actively hate him given what followed, but he's really just a dime a dozen guy.

How many WRs since Ferentz have been here have been drafted?

Kevin Kasper is one.

---
Let's compare that to Michigan...

Edwards. Manningham. Arrington. Avant. Breaston.

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything, other than your irrational hatred for Ferentz and Iowa.

Consider this discussion ended. You're more incoherent than crazed, newsbreaker, isufan98, and Glen Ross in an Obama thread.

Words have meaning Platon.

[The Game]

---
Let's compare that to Michigan...

Edwards. Manningham. Arrington. Avant. Breaston.

Who was their coach?

Lloyd Carr and Kirk Ferentz.

Davis = Ferentz
Arrington = Carr

[The Game]

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything, other than your irrational hatred for Ferentz and Iowa.

Consider this discussion ended. You're more incoherent than crazed, newsbreaker, isufan98, and Glen Ross in an Obama thread.

I'm touting my argument about your bar isn't set high comment.

Iowa has had one WR get drafted in the Ferentz era. Arrington was drafted, and you're saying that the bar from Arrington isn't set high for a #2 receiver.

Again, yeah I don't want a #2 receiver that had almost 70 catches, and 880 yards with a backup quarterback most of the year.

Holy Hell, you're insane. Your argument changes 15 times in one thread. My head literally hurts reading your shit. I mean seriously start at the top of this thread and read through it very slowly and see if you can actually understand what you're saying.

My argument goes back to the same thing. Comparing Davis to Arrington is laughable and stupid, but nothing like Hawkeye fans to put huge pressure on a kid who's never played a snap in college football.

Blake Larsen. DJK. Now Davis.

[Jim]

---
Let's compare that to Michigan...

Edwards. Manningham. Arrington. Avant. Breaston.

Who was their coach?

Lloyd Carr and Kirk Ferentz.

Davis = Ferentz
Arrington = Carr

Sorry, I should have been more specific. Who was their POSITION coach? Who will be Davis' POSITION coach?

[HawkLax6]

Comparing Davis to Arrington is laughable and stupid, but nothing like Hawkeye fans to put huge pressure on a kid who's never played a snap in college football.

Blake Larsen. DJK. Now Davis.

Iowa fans did not make this original comparison. This was a quote from a coach at the high school that coached both players.

While Larsen and DJK may have been hyped up (Larsen was more done by Rivals/Scout type places while DJK was more "grassroots" among the fans), this happens at all schools. Not just Iowa.

Edit: Also, as it was stated above, this comparison between the two players was talking about when they were both seniors in high school, not Arrington at age 22-23 versus Davis at 17-18.

[The Game]

Who was their coach?

Lloyd Carr and Kirk Ferentz.

Davis = Ferentz
Arrington = Carr

Sorry, I should have been more specific. Who was their POSITION coach? Who will be Davis' POSITION coach?

Do you really think a position coach is going to have as much as an impact as the guy who calls plays/prepares the offense (the run, run, pass and punt approach)? Marty Ball in other terms.

Aka Ken O'Keefe/Kirk Ferentz.

[Aloha Mr. Hand]

Lloyd Carr and Kirk Ferentz.

Davis = Ferentz
Arrington = Carr

Sorry, I should have been more specific. Who was their POSITION coach? Who will be Davis' POSITION coach?

Do you really think a position coach is going to have as much as an impact as the guy who calls plays/prepares the offense (the run, run, pass and punt approach)? Marty Ball in other terms.

Aka Ken O'Keefe/Kirk Ferentz.

Don't you think a WR coach can teach his players how to get open better, use leverage better, read defenses and coverages better, block better, position yourself against a defensive player better, get off the line of scrimmage better, run decoy routes better (etc etc etc) than an OC or HC?

[Dolomitey]

Game. Stop. Your argument style is laughable.

First, you stress that Arrington had a very nice senior season even with a backup quarterback.
Next, you go on to prove that Michigan is a far superior passing team (you think you're bolstering your point about Arrington being great, not really). And you've got the stats to prove it.
Along the way, you makes sure to let us know that Davis is overhyped, potential is overhyped, and senior stats matter most of all.

Do you see a problem with this?

If Michigan is a far superior passing TEAM then they will have much better passing stats. If you looked at the NFL careers of those Michigan draftees you boast about you'll se that they no longer put up stats. Hmmm?

If Arrington put up great stats on an inferior passing team, you'd have a solid point, but he didn't. He played on a team that likes to throw the ball but always has a solid rb and OL.

Nevermind that you make yourself look like a complete moron by badmouthing comparisons made by people that saw both play their senior years of high school, that was my favorite part. The madder you get about the comparison, the funnier it is to laugh at you.

[Dolomitey]

Apparently, those who have seem him and Arrington play have said that Davis is the better of the two.

You want to bet he's not better in Arrington when they leave college?

Oh, and I'll take that bet. I'm not sure at all what it means as phrased, but I guess that's part of the fun.

[The Game]

Game. Stop. Your argument style is laughable.

First, you stress that Arrington had a very nice senior season even with a backup quarterback.
Next, you go on to prove that Michigan is a far superior passing team (you think you're bolstering your point about Arrington being great, not really). And you've got the stats to prove it.
Along the way, you makes sure to let us know that Davis is overhyped, potential is overhyped, and senior stats matter most of all.

Do you see a problem with this?

If Michigan is a far superior passing TEAM then they will have much better passing stats. If you looked at the NFL careers of those Michigan draftees you boast about you'll se that they no longer put up stats. Hmmm?

If Arrington put up great stats on an inferior passing team, you'd have a solid point, but he didn't. He played on a team that likes to throw the ball but always has a solid rb and OL.

Nevermind that you make yourself look like a complete moron by badmouthing comparisons made by people that saw both play their senior years of high school, that was my favorite part. The madder you get about the comparison, the funnier it is to laugh at you.

I might take you seriously if you knew what year Arrington was.

[The Game]

Apparently, those who have seem him and Arrington play have said that Davis is the better of the two.

You want to bet he's not better in Arrington when they leave college?

Oh, and I'll take that bet. I'm not sure at all what it means as phrased, but I guess that's part of the fun.

Ok.

I'm sure you would have took my bet back 2 years with DJK too. I bet I'm not the one that comes away disappointed.

[The Game]

And lastly, if this kid wants his potential maximized at the WR position, he should have went to Iowa State instead of Iowa.

[Jim]

And lastly, if this kid wants his potential maximized at the WR position, he should have went to Iowa State instead of Iowa.

Finally a joke.

A really bad one, but still.

[Dolomitey]

Game. Stop. Your argument style is laughable.

First, you stress that Arrington had a very nice senior season even with a backup quarterback.
Next, you go on to prove that Michigan is a far superior passing team (you think you're bolstering your point about Arrington being great, not really). And you've got the stats to prove it.
Along the way, you makes sure to let us know that Davis is overhyped, potential is overhyped, and senior stats matter most of all.

Do you see a problem with this?

If Michigan is a far superior passing TEAM then they will have much better passing stats. If you looked at the NFL careers of those Michigan draftees you boast about you'll se that they no longer put up stats. Hmmm?

If Arrington put up great stats on an inferior passing team, you'd have a solid point, but he didn't. He played on a team that likes to throw the ball but always has a solid rb and OL.

Nevermind that you make yourself look like a complete moron by badmouthing comparisons made by people that saw both play their senior years of high school, that was my favorite part. The madder you get about the comparison, the funnier it is to laugh at you.

I might take you seriously if you knew what year Arrington was.

Fair enough. He bolted (after 4 years) because, in part, he was afraid of not putting up stats in a different offense. Although the allure of a late 2nd day selection had to be great for such a great college talent.

I do know that Arrington was taken for a 6th rounder. But I'm sure you already knew that and just didn't want to overburden your argument with useful stuff.

Care to actually respond?

[The Game]

And lastly, if this kid wants his potential maximized at the WR position, he should have went to Iowa State instead of Iowa.

Finally a joke.

A really bad one, but still.

Really?

How is it?

Chizik brought Mack Brown's playbook with him from Texas while Iowa's still running the same offense from 10 years ago when Ferentz arrived.

Add on that he's playing in a better conference.

[Dolomitey]

So it doesn't matter that Todd Blythe fell off the face of the earth since Chizik arrived?

And how about that Mack Brown? Sure it took a while for him to win with all that talent, but he sure refined that passing game with Vince Young. . .

[The Game]

So it doesn't matter that Todd Blythe fell off the face of the earth since Chizik arrived?

And how about that Mack Brown? Sure it took a while for him to win with all that talent, but he sure refined that passing game with Vince Young. . .

Blythe fell off the face of the Earth? Obviously, you don't follow Iowa State athletics at all. He had 52 catches for 779 yard season and 5 touchdowns with a new offensive scheme.

You might want to take a look at your own program before ripping on Mack Brown.

Mack Brown makes less than Kirk Ferentz. Has more wins (103-25). Has a national title and a multiple BCS bowl game wins. Hasn't missed a bowl game in over 10 years. His worst season at Texas was 9-3. Has multiple Big XII titles. Actually takes his rivalry game serious.

Do you want me to continue with this?

[Dolomitey]

Arrington was a senior you fliptard. He just had the option for a super senior year.

As for DJK vs. Arrington.

As freshmen, DJK led his team in receptions with 38 and had 2 tds. Arrington had 2 catches for 12 yards. DJK also averaged 23.7 on kickoffs, which is decent.

Since Arrington did nothing his sophmore year, I'd bet my lead will only get bigger.

[Dolomitey]

So it doesn't matter that Todd Blythe fell off the face of the earth since Chizik arrived?

And how about that Mack Brown? Sure it took a while for him to win with all that talent, but he sure refined that passing game with Vince Young. . .

Blythe fell off the face of the Earth? Obviously, you don't follow Iowa State athletics at all. He had 52 catches for 779 yard season and 5 touchdowns with a new offensive scheme.

You might want to take a look at your own program before ripping on Mack Brown.

Mack Brown makes less than Kirk Ferentz. Has more wins (103-25). Has a national title and a multiple BCS bowl game wins. Hasn't missed a bowl game in over 10 years. His worst season at Texas was 9-3. Has multiple Big XII titles. Actually takes his rivalry game serious.

Do you want me to continue with this?

Please do. Please move the argument from Mack Browns passing prowess to his overall effectiveness as coach. Cause that's not a switch. It's funny to listen to you argue with yourself.

The "new offensive scheme" you blame for Blythe having a poor season (cost himself serious draft stock) is the same one you said should account for better stats for Davis.

[HawkLax6]

I am not getting into a Mack Brown vs. Kirk Ferentz argument, but you are over-valuing Mack Brown. With the talent Texas gets (anyone could be coach and get Top 10 talent each year), he should have won a lot more in my opinion.

He should have way more than only two Big XII Championships.

Once again, I am not comparing Mack Brown versus KF.

Edit: He actually only has one Big XII Championship (2005). Texas won in 1996, but he was not the coach then. Also, his worse season at Texas was 9-5 (1999).

[Jim]

The "new offensive scheme" you blame for Blythe having a poor season (cost himself serious draft stock) is the same one you said should account for better stats for Davis.

No one ever said the Game was smart.

[The Game]

I am not getting into a Mack Brown vs. Kirk Ferentz argument, but you are over-valuing Mack Brown. With the talent Texas gets (anyone could be coach and get Top 10 talent each year), he should have won a lot more in my opinion.

He should have way more than only two Big XII Championships.

Once again, I am not comparing Mack Brown versus KF.

I think you might want to stay out of this one.

[HawkLax6]

I am not getting into a Mack Brown vs. Kirk Ferentz argument, but you are over-valuing Mack Brown. With the talent Texas gets (anyone could be coach and get Top 10 talent each year), he should have won a lot more in my opinion.

He should have way more than only two Big XII Championships.

Once again, I am not comparing Mack Brown versus KF.

I think you might want to stay out of this one.

I am just pointing out, in my opinion, that he is not as good of a coach as you think he is. He is a good coach, but with all the talent Texas pulls in, they should be a lot better.

Once again, I am not comparing Mack Brown to KF. I am not saying anything KF-related, so please don't bring him up when trying to refute my opinion.

[The Game]

So it doesn't matter that Todd Blythe fell off the face of the earth since Chizik arrived?

And how about that Mack Brown? Sure it took a while for him to win with all that talent, but he sure refined that passing game with Vince Young. . .

Blythe fell off the face of the Earth? Obviously, you don't follow Iowa State athletics at all. He had 52 catches for 779 yard season and 5 touchdowns with a new offensive scheme.

You might want to take a look at your own program before ripping on Mack Brown.

Mack Brown makes less than Kirk Ferentz. Has more wins (103-25). Has a national title and a multiple BCS bowl game wins. Hasn't missed a bowl game in over 10 years. His worst season at Texas was 9-3. Has multiple Big XII titles. Actually takes his rivalry game serious.

Do you want me to continue with this?

Please do. Please move the argument from Mack Browns passing prowess to his overall effectiveness as coach. Cause that's not a switch. It's funny to listen to you argue with yourself.

The "new offensive scheme" you blame for Blythe having a poor season (cost himself serious draft stock) is the same one you said should account for better stats for Davis.

I didn't know 779 yards receiving is a bad year.

Who led the Hawkeyes in receiving yards this year, and how close were they to Blythe?

[The Game]

I am not getting into a Mack Brown vs. Kirk Ferentz argument, but you are over-valuing Mack Brown. With the talent Texas gets (anyone could be coach and get Top 10 talent each year), he should have won a lot more in my opinion.

He should have way more than only two Big XII Championships.

Once again, I am not comparing Mack Brown versus KF.

I think you might want to stay out of this one.

I am just pointing out that, in my opinion, that he is not as good of a coach as you think he is. He is a good coach, but with all the talent Texas pulls in, they should be a lot better.

Once again, I am not comparing Mack Brown to KF. I am not saying anything KF-related, so please don't bring him up when trying to refute my opinion.

You seem to forget the North Carolina years.

[Gushawk]

You seem to forget the North Carolina years.

He wouldn't be alone. It's not like Brown worked a Snyder sort of miracle there. He turned a slightly below average program into a slightly above average one.

[Jim]

You seem to forget the North Carolina years.

He wouldn't be alone. It's not like Brown worked a Snyder sort of miracle there. He turned a slightly below average program into a slightly above average one.

Chill Game, I got this one.

Yeah, but how many place kickers from North Carolina went on to play in the NFL when he was the coach? Compare that to Iowa and their special teams lately.

Face it, Norm Parker doesn't know the first thing about coaching defense and Davis has no one to play against in practice. He should have went to UNI.

[Edgecrusher7711]

I am not getting into a Mack Brown vs. Kirk Ferentz argument, but you are over-valuing Mack Brown. With the talent Texas gets (anyone could be coach and get Top 10 talent each year), he should have won a lot more in my opinion.

He should have way more than only two Big XII Championships.

Once again, I am not comparing Mack Brown versus KF.

I think you might want to stay out of this one.


The Game telling someone to stay out of it. My God the drugs in your place must be amazing. I've never seen someone know so little about sports but swear to God he was the smartest man in the room.

I'm hoping it's your biased hatred of Iowa that clouds your judgment in these arguments but I'm not so certain.

18 year kid is being compared to 18 year old kid yet some how you've gotten to the point of comparing a college coach to one of an entirely different team in a different conference. I would think with the massive holes you dig for yourself your shovel would have broken by now.

[Dolomitey]

Blythe fell off the face of the Earth? Obviously, you don't follow Iowa State athletics at all. He had 52 catches for 779 yard season and 5 touchdowns with a new offensive scheme.

You might want to take a look at your own program before ripping on Mack Brown.

Mack Brown makes less than Kirk Ferentz. Has more wins (103-25). Has a national title and a multiple BCS bowl game wins. Hasn't missed a bowl game in over 10 years. His worst season at Texas was 9-3. Has multiple Big XII titles. Actually takes his rivalry game serious.

Do you want me to continue with this?

Please do. Please move the argument from Mack Browns passing prowess to his overall effectiveness as coach. Cause that's not a switch. It's funny to listen to you argue with yourself.

The "new offensive scheme" you blame for Blythe having a poor season (cost himself serious draft stock) is the same one you said should account for better stats for Davis.

I didn't know 779 yards receiving is a bad year.

Who led the Hawkeyes in receiving yards this year, and how close were they to Blythe?


It's not. But Blythe was highly regarded coming into that year as a touchdown catcher and didn't impress. He still could have saved himself with a good 40 time, but a nice (bad is more relative to his and my expectations) season didn't really help. Myers and the OL struggled (much like Iowa) and there wasn't a soild running game to open things up so it was an uphill battle for Blythe.

Anyway, kudos on picking strictly that line of argument. That's exactly what we should be talking about. Maybe your next post can solely respond to . . .

[Dolomitey]

I am not saying anything KF-related, so please don't bring him up when trying to refute my opinion.

That's funny.:rollfloor:

[The Tin Man]

Looks like a good catch. It's always nice to keep quality recruits instate.

[Jimmie Dimmick]

word on the 'other site' is that Wegher's dad says he is committing in a couple of days

[MikeyJoe]

word on the 'other site' is that Wegher's dad says he is committing in a couple of days
And he sounds like a pretty strong Iowa lean right now.

[SL]

word on the 'other site' is that Wegher's dad says he is committing in a couple of days
And he sounds like a pretty strong Iowa lean right now.

If true, that's great. It's good to see Iowa kids stay in-state even when they have offers/interest from the "big-time" programs.

[HawkLax6]

word on the 'other site' is that Wegher's dad says he is committing in a couple of days
And he sounds like a pretty strong Iowa lean right now.

I said like 3 months ago that I would be happy if Iowa got 3 of 4 between Wegher/Barrent/Davis/Cotton.....just didn't think Iowa would be getting Wegher and not Barrent......if this is true, of course.

[MikeyJoe]

word on the 'other site' is that Wegher's dad says he is committing in a couple of days
And he sounds like a pretty strong Iowa lean right now.

I said like 3 months ago that I would be happy if Iowa got 3 of 4 between Wegher/Barrent/Davis/Cotton.....just didn't think Iowa would be getting Wegher and not Barrent......if this is true, of course.
I thought the same.

[The Game]

I am not getting into a Mack Brown vs. Kirk Ferentz argument, but you are over-valuing Mack Brown. With the talent Texas gets (anyone could be coach and get Top 10 talent each year), he should have won a lot more in my opinion.

He should have way more than only two Big XII Championships.

Once again, I am not comparing Mack Brown versus KF.

I think you might want to stay out of this one.


The Game telling someone to stay out of it. My God the drugs in your place must be amazing. I've never seen someone know so little about sports but swear to God he was the smartest man in the room.

I'm hoping it's your biased hatred of Iowa that clouds your judgment in these arguments but I'm not so certain.

18 year kid is being compared to 18 year old kid yet some how you've gotten to the point of comparing a college coach to one of an entirely different team in a different conference. I would think with the massive holes you dig for yourself your shovel would have broken by now.

There is no biased hatred here of the Hawkeyes.

Someone needs to take your Hawkeyes glasses off once in awhile.

I bet that Iowa State has a better team than Iowa in the next 4-5 years. Of course, head to head would already show that they do.

[Edgecrusher7711]

I think you might want to stay out of this one.


The Game telling someone to stay out of it. My God the drugs in your place must be amazing. I've never seen someone know so little about sports but swear to God he was the smartest man in the room.

I'm hoping it's your biased hatred of Iowa that clouds your judgment in these arguments but I'm not so certain.

18 year kid is being compared to 18 year old kid yet some how you've gotten to the point of comparing a college coach to one of an entirely different team in a different conference. I would think with the massive holes you dig for yourself your shovel would have broken by now.

There is no biased hatred here of the Hawkeyes.

Someone needs to take your Hawkeyes glasses off once in awhile.

I bet that Iowa State has a better team than Iowa in the next 4-5 years. Of course, head to head would already show that they do.

Obviously. What did I say in any of my posts that would be even remotely construed as biased? Yet you've made multiple posts of the years digging at the Hawkeyes just to dig. I don't even know why I reply to you. You're clearly a child.

[The Game]

The Game telling someone to stay out of it. My God the drugs in your place must be amazing. I've never seen someone know so little about sports but swear to God he was the smartest man in the room.

I'm hoping it's your biased hatred of Iowa that clouds your judgment in these arguments but I'm not so certain.

18 year kid is being compared to 18 year old kid yet some how you've gotten to the point of comparing a college coach to one of an entirely different team in a different conference. I would think with the massive holes you dig for yourself your shovel would have broken by now.

There is no biased hatred here of the Hawkeyes.

Someone needs to take your Hawkeyes glasses off once in awhile.

I bet that Iowa State has a better team than Iowa in the next 4-5 years. Of course, head to head would already show that they do.

Obviously. What did I say in any of my posts that would be even remotely construed as biased? Yet you've made multiple posts of the years digging at the Hawkeyes just to dig. I don't even know why I reply to you. You're clearly a child.

I was referring to myself.

I like how people think just because I dig at the Hawkeyes, I automatically hate the team. Far from the case though.

[Hawk_Kegmasters]

This thread came up while searching for something else, and was good for a laugh.

[AZmess]

I just read the whole thing and was struck by one thing. That thread is over 3 years old. Over 2 pages and it was almost all debate. Both sides. That thread would last 5 posts before the terms "fucking retard", "AZ is gay", "I Hate Iowa fans" now.

[L. Wade Childress]

whats dougs join date?

[jabberja]

I think you might want to stay out of this one.


The Game telling someone to stay out of it. My God the drugs in your place must be amazing. I've never seen someone know so little about sports but swear to God he was the smartest man in the room.

I'm hoping it's your biased hatred of Iowa that clouds your judgment in these arguments but I'm not so certain.

18 year kid is being compared to 18 year old kid yet some how you've gotten to the point of comparing a college coach to one of an entirely different team in a different conference. I would think with the massive holes you dig for yourself your shovel would have broken by now.


I bet that Iowa State has a better team than Iowa in the next 4-5 years. Of course, head to head would already show that they do.

The Game = Nostradamus?

[Andy Dufresne]

I like this thread because "The Game" was involved.

[BBK]

I've never read posts from "The Game" before. The dude seems fucking hilarious.

[jabberja]

I've never read posts from "The Game" before. The dude seems fucking hilarious.

No kidding. I feel honored that people thought that I was The Game.

[PipeDaddy]

So Davis was thought of as superior to Arrington when he came out of HS? Wow was that wrong.