Do you believe in Ghosts?

[SondyRules]

:?:

[Klink]

no

[RobertIngersoll]

No.

[Andy Dufresne]

No.

[MikeyJoe]

No.

[Match34]

I only believe in ghost dogs.

http://www.halloweenmania.co.uk/images/ghost-dog.jpg

[Monster]

No?

[Jimmie Dimmick]

I only believe in ghost dogs.

http://www.halloweenmania.co.uk/images/ghost-dog.jpg

http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/ghostdog4.jpg

[cjhawks]

I only believe in ghost dogs.

http://www.halloweenmania.co.uk/images/ghost-dog.jpg

Signed,

JRHawk

[TallHawk]

Only this one:

http://www.sportscollectorsdigest.com/upload/contents/290/field_1745/1101251005_400.JPG

[cjhawks]

God damn right I do. In fact, I have one in my house right now. Hell, I'll probably have a run in with it tonight.

Here's the story. Upper level of home has 4 BR's. Next to the master, we have one BR being utilized as a computer / office type space. In that room, we have a Hawkeye lamp sitting on top of our file cabinet. Since we've moved into the home in November, I've had approximately 7-8 experiences with the damn ghost. And the shit only happens when my wife is traveling. So there is a chance she could be screwing with me, but I don't see how. What will happen is this lamp on top of the filing cabinet will magically turn on at random times. I'll be downstairs reading a book or watching TV, and when I walk to the front of the house, that god damn lamp will be on. No clue how it's happening. I was suspicious that someone was dicking with me, so I unplugged the lamp one night. After watching some baseball, I decided it was time for bed. Start my way upstairs, and the freakin' lamp is on! And it's STILL UNPLUGGED!

So the only thing I can conclude is I have a ghost in the house. Which is fine, I just wish the son of a bitch would help out around the house, maybe pitch in with the mortgage once in a while. Fuckin' freeloader.

[SondyRules]

I've been to 13 Steps cemetery around Palo and that place is awesome right around dusk. I've had a couple of unexplained things happen to me out there. I'm not a total believer, however there's been some unexplained things that have happened to me out there (dark figures that appear and disappear). I've always had a group of friends with me that have also seen the same things that I have. Out of the probably dozen or so times out there I've had something unexplainable occur 2 or 3 times.

[lilzaphod]

Serious question - Can you be a Christian and not?

Luke 1:35 And the angel answeblack and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

It doesn't mean it's common, but if you do not believe in the the birth of Christ, it's going to be hard to say you are a Christian with a straight face.

[Perham1]

... it's going to be hard to say you are a Christian with a straight face.

Isn't that the truth.

[SondyRules]

Looks like we've got some faux Christians, boyz. For the record I lean towards a belief in ghosts, while being an Atheist.

[Rolo Tomassi]

Anyone who doesn't believe in ghosts should watch Ghost Hunters for a month. They'll get hooked.

[Jimmie Dimmick]

Anyone who doesn't believe in ghosts should watch Ghost Hunters for a month. They'll get hooked.

when is the f-ing season finale? I've thought it was the last two Wednesdays, but nothing.

[Rolo Tomassi]

Anyone who doesn't believe in ghosts should watch Ghost Hunters for a month. They'll get hooked.

when is the f-ing season finale? I've thought it was the last two Wednesdays, but nothing.

It was three weeks ago. Now they're doing reruns.

[Jimmie Dimmick]

Anyone who doesn't believe in ghosts should watch Ghost Hunters for a month. They'll get hooked.

when is the f-ing season finale? I've thought it was the last two Wednesdays, but nothing.

It was three weeks ago. Now they're doing reruns.

really? Shit. That episode wasn't that great.

[hawkimike]

when is the f-ing season finale? I've thought it was the last two Wednesdays, but nothing.

It was three weeks ago. Now they're doing reruns.

really? Shit. That episode wasn't that great.

I thought that episode was one of the most active ones they have had this spring ( Newark NJ hospital and Psychiatric facility) . A lot of noises that you could hear over the background music

[Jimmie Dimmick]

It was three weeks ago. Now they're doing reruns.

really? Shit. That episode wasn't that great.

I thought that episode was one of the most active ones they have had this spring ( Newark NJ hospital and Psychiatric facility) . A lot of noises that you could hear over the background music

that music is unnecessary, and pisses me off most of the time

[cjhawks]

what are these guys' number? i'm calling 'em

[MickerHawk]

Serious question - Can you be a Christian and not?

Luke 1:35 And the angel answeblack and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

It doesn't mean it's common, but if you do not believe in the the birth of Christ, it's going to be hard to say you are a Christian with a straight face.

AKA the Holy Spirit.

There are spirits in my belief. However, what people believe to be ghosts I believe to be demons, which is completely Biblical.

It is my belief as the Bible states that we can have no real communication with the actual spirit of a human. I spent a summer with an Ouija board and actually learned how to make my own out of nothing but symbols and a glass jar or cup, and yeah boys that stuff is real. It's also extremely dangerous IMO, because all you're doing is communicating with demons and you can open a door to a demonic possession.

Had I known then what I know now I wouldn't have touched it, but witchcraft is real, but it isn't under a person's control, not by a long shot.

[SondyRules]

Anyone who doesn't believe in ghosts should watch Ghost Hunters for a month. They'll get hooked.

This is the truth. I like how they go out of their way to debunk any of their findings. Ghost Hunters International is ok but the people that do that show are not nearly as good as TAPS IMHO.

[bearbull24.5]

Serious question - Can you be a Christian and not?

Luke 1:35 And the angel answeblack and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

It doesn't mean it's common, but if you do not believe in the the birth of Christ, it's going to be hard to say you are a Christian with a straight face.

AKA the Holy Spirit.

There are spirits in my belief. However, what people believe to be ghosts I believe to be demons, which is completely Biblical.

It is my belief as the Bible states that we can have no real communication with the actual spirit of a human. I spent a summer with an Ouija board and actually learned how to make my own out of nothing but symbols and a glass jar or cup, and yeah boys that stuff is real. It's also extremely dangerous IMO, because all you're doing is communicating with demons and you can open a door to a demonic possession.

Had I known then what I know now I wouldn't have touched it, but witchcraft is real, but it isn't under a person's control, not by a long shot.
:rollfloor:

[MickerHawk]

Serious question - Can you be a Christian and not?

Luke 1:35 And the angel answeblack and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

It doesn't mean it's common, but if you do not believe in the the birth of Christ, it's going to be hard to say you are a Christian with a straight face.

AKA the Holy Spirit.

There are spirits in my belief. However, what people believe to be ghosts I believe to be demons, which is completely Biblical.

It is my belief as the Bible states that we can have no real communication with the actual spirit of a human. I spent a summer with an Ouija board and actually learned how to make my own out of nothing but symbols and a glass jar or cup, and yeah boys that stuff is real. It's also extremely dangerous IMO, because all you're doing is communicating with demons and you can open a door to a demonic possession.

Had I known then what I know now I wouldn't have touched it, but witchcraft is real, but it isn't under a person's control, not by a long shot.
:rollfloor:

Well, you are young and inexperienced. I'm nearly twice your age and have experienced maybe 10x what you have...excepting the pyromania, of course. :cool:

[bearbull24.5]

AKA the Holy Spirit.

There are spirits in my belief. However, what people believe to be ghosts I believe to be demons, which is completely Biblical.

It is my belief as the Bible states that we can have no real communication with the actual spirit of a human. I spent a summer with an Ouija board and actually learned how to make my own out of nothing but symbols and a glass jar or cup, and yeah boys that stuff is real. It's also extremely dangerous IMO, because all you're doing is communicating with demons and you can open a door to a demonic possession.

Had I known then what I know now I wouldn't have touched it, but witchcraft is real, but it isn't under a person's control, not by a long shot.
:rollfloor:

Well, you are young and inexperienced. I'm nearly twice your age and have experienced maybe 10x what you have...excepting the pyromania, of course. :cool:

This is something I will have to experience to believe

[MickerHawk]

This is something I will have to experience to believe

Actually, when it comes to the Ouija board, please don't. Just do yourself a favor and believe it's all hokey and BS. You'll be better off.

[bearbull24.5]

This is something I will have to experience to believe

Actually, when it comes to the Ouija board, please don't. Just do yourself a favor and believe it's all hokey and BS. You'll be better off.
I doubt its something I would go out of my to do but if some people were messing with one I would probably still do it, seeing as how im a bit of a skeptic

[The Poster Formerly known]

Micker, care to teach us how to make/use an Ouija board?

[Rolo Tomassi]

Anyone who doesn't believe in ghosts should watch Ghost Hunters for a month. They'll get hooked.

This is the truth. I like how they go out of their way to debunk any of their findings. Ghost Hunters International is ok but the people that do that show are not nearly as good as TAPS IMHO.

Yep. It's their efforts to debunk their own findings that make them credible. I used to laugh at my wife for watching this show, but then I watched a couple of episodes and got hooked.

[TallGrass]

Serious question - Can you be a Christian and not?

Luke 1:35 And the angel answeblack and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

It doesn't mean it's common, but if you do not believe in the the birth of Christ, it's going to be hard to say you are a Christian with a straight face.

AKA the Holy Spirit.

There are spirits in my belief. However, what people believe to be ghosts I believe to be demons, which is completely Biblical.

It is my belief as the Bible states that we can have no real communication with the actual spirit of a human. I spent a summer with an Ouija board and actually learned how to make my own out of nothing but symbols and a glass jar or cup, and yeah boys that stuff is real. It's also extremely dangerous IMO, because all you're doing is communicating with demons and you can open a door to a demonic possession.

Had I known then what I know now I wouldn't have touched it, but witchcraft is real, but it isn't under a person's control, not by a long shot.

Holy crap, did you leave the cap off the rubber cement in your office?

[Match34]

This is something I will have to experience to believe

Actually, when it comes to the Ouija board, please don't. Just do yourself a favor and believe it's all hokey and BS. You'll be better off.

:rotf:

[Debit One]

I spent a summer with an Ouija board and actually learned how to make my own out of nothing but symbols and a glass jar or cup, and yeah boys that stuff is real. It's also extremely dangerous IMO, because all you're doing is communicating with demons and you can open a door to a demonic possession.

Um, .... wow.

[MikeyJoe]

I spent a summer with an Ouija board and actually learned how to make my own out of nothing but symbols and a glass jar or cup, and yeah boys that stuff is real. It's also extremely dangerous IMO, because all you're doing is communicating with demons and you can open a door to a demonic possession.

Um, .... wow.
Why would a belief in demons from someone you know to be a Christian strike you as odd, Debit?

[MickerHawk]

Micker, care to teach us how to make/use an Ouija board?

Nope. I don't recall everything about it.

When we were using it, spring to summer of '88 at DLI in Monterey CA, we started asking it random off the wall stuff, but one of the things we asked was whether or not we had to use the board to "communicate." It answered no, we could use a particular kind of surface, something glass for the center piece, and candles of a specific color and number, and then the symbols drawn on with hot wax from the candles.

Yeah it worked, but it doesn't work because of any physical nature of the board or whatever. It works only because of your submission and belief. It worked occasionally without anyone touching the glass a couple of times. It worked well enough that we buried it about a couple weeks after building our own, and we were fairly terrified when we did.

The Bible stated pretty clearly that it's wrong to attempt to communicate with spirits from beyond the grave. The Bible clearly did not say that it wasn't possible, just that it was an abomination or some such. The Bible also talks about witchcraft, mediums, demonic possession, etc. as real things, so it's hard for me not to believe in it as well.

[Kerky]

Serious question - Can you be a Christian and not?

Luke 1:35 And the angel answeblack and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

It doesn't mean it's common, but if you do not believe in the the birth of Christ, it's going to be hard to say you are a Christian with a straight face.

AKA the Holy Spirit.

There are spirits in my belief. However, what people believe to be ghosts I believe to be demons, which is completely Biblical.

It is my belief as the Bible states that we can have no real communication with the actual spirit of a human. I spent a summer with an Ouija board and actually learned how to make my own out of nothing but symbols and a glass jar or cup, and yeah boys that stuff is real. It's also extremely dangerous IMO, because all you're doing is communicating with demons and you can open a door to a demonic possession.

Had I known then what I know now I wouldn't have touched it, but witchcraft is real, but it isn't under a person's control, not by a long shot.

Holy crap, did you leave the cap off the rubber cement in your office?

I agree w/ Micker. Do not mess w/ the occult type stuff. You do not want to open that door.

I disagree w/ Micker in that I do believe there are spirits lurking around that are not manifestations of demons, but rather doing perhaps their purgatory thing. I like the Ghost Hunters show, but it has gotten kind of old hat. I have also watched paranormal state which is more intense and where they often deal with demonic influences. That show is a little more unnerving

[Debit One]

I spent a summer with an Ouija board and actually learned how to make my own out of nothing but symbols and a glass jar or cup, and yeah boys that stuff is real. It's also extremely dangerous IMO, because all you're doing is communicating with demons and you can open a door to a demonic possession.

Um, .... wow.
Why would a belief in demons from someone you know to be a Christian strike you as odd, Debit?

It's the belief in Ouija boards as a means of communication with demons that stuns me.

[MickerHawk]

Holy crap, did you leave the cap off the rubber cement in your office?

Leviticus 19:31, 20:27

31Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.

27A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.

Deuteronomy 18:9-15

9When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.

10There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.
11Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
12For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
13Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.
14For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered thee so to do. 15The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

Well, there it is.

[MickerHawk]

Um, .... wow.
Why would a belief in demons from someone you know to be a Christian strike you as odd, Debit?

It's the belief in Ouija boards as a means of communication with demons that stuns me.

Why? Do you really think we can communicate with someone in either heaven or hell? There is no basis for that in the Bible or in natural history.

There is however accounts out the yin-yang of people messing with the occult thinking they were communicating with Aunt Betsy or Grandpa Jim and getting a nice little demonic possession followed by them killing their entire family and offing themself. History is jam-packed with that.

[Debit One]

Why? Do you really think we can communicate with someone in either heaven or hell? There is no basis for that in the Bible or in natural history.

There is however accounts out the yin-yang of people messing with the occult thinking they were communicating with Aunt Betsy or Grandpa Jim and getting a nice little demonic possession followed by them killing their entire family and offing themself. History is jam-packed with that.

Are you saying that you do not believe that you were actually communicating with spirits, but that messing around with that stuff made you believe that you were?

[MikeyJoe]

Why? Do you really think we can communicate with someone in either heaven or hell? There is no basis for that in the Bible or in natural history.

There is however accounts out the yin-yang of people messing with the occult thinking they were communicating with Aunt Betsy or Grandpa Jim and getting a nice little demonic possession followed by them killing their entire family and offing themself. History is jam-packed with that.

Are you saying that you do not believe that you were actually communicating with spirits, but that messing around with that stuff made you believe that you were?
I believe he's saying that he does not believe that he was communicating with the spirits of dead human beings, but that he was communicating with demons.

[TallGrass]

??
http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/442/PreviewComp/SuperStock_442-8961.jpg

[MickerHawk]

Why? Do you really think we can communicate with someone in either heaven or hell? There is no basis for that in the Bible or in natural history.

There is however accounts out the yin-yang of people messing with the occult thinking they were communicating with Aunt Betsy or Grandpa Jim and getting a nice little demonic possession followed by them killing their entire family and offing themself. History is jam-packed with that.

Are you saying that you do not believe that you were actually communicating with spirits, but that messing around with that stuff made you believe that you were?
I believe he's saying that he does not believe that he was communicating with the spirits of dead human beings, but that he was communicating with demons.

Correct.

[Debit One]

Are you saying that you do not believe that you were actually communicating with spirits, but that messing around with that stuff made you believe that you were?
I believe he's saying that he does not believe that he was communicating with the spirits of dead human beings, but that he was communicating with demons.

Correct.

And that the Ouija board somehow facilitated these demonic conversations?

[MickerHawk]

Yep. It's certainly not the only method, but it is a method. The entire occult universe is really aimed at expressly that, in my opinion. Giving humans the illusion they have control, but in fact playing with or worshipping demons.

[Debit One]

Yep. It's certainly not the only method, but it is a method. The entire occult universe is really aimed at expressly that, in my opinion. Giving humans the illusion they have control, but in fact playing with or worshipping demons.

So Toys R' Us is selling a demonic communication vehicle.

I just KNEW that big giraffe was evil.

http://routingbyrumor.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/ouija-board.jpg

http://www.ripten.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/wii_toysrus_bundle.jpg

[MickerHawk]

Yep. It's certainly not the only method, but it is a method. The entire occult universe is really aimed at expressly that, in my opinion. Giving humans the illusion they have control, but in fact playing with or worshipping demons.

So Toys R' Us is selling a demonic communication vehicle.

I just KNEW that big giraffe was evil.


We bought ours at a Kmart near the Monterey mall.

Your point is?

I think horoscopes are in the same realm, and they're sold at WalMarts. Come to think of it, I believe I've seen some "Christian" stores selling astrology articles.

[Mrs. G]

It works only because of your submission and belief.

Without question, this is absolutely the most profound statement you have ever made on this board, and rings true not just for the various practices that you may deem to be 'occult', but it is true for organized religions as well (at least for one's current state of being, i.e., just because you believe it now doesn't mean St. Pete will be waiting for you or that your muslim counterpart is greeted by his 20 virgins when either of you pass).

[MickerHawk]

It works only because of your submission and belief.

Without question, this is absolutely the most profound statement you have ever made on this board, and rings true not just for the various practices that you may deem to be 'occult', but it is true for organized religions as well (at least for one's current state of being, i.e., just because you believe it now doesn't mean St. Pete will be waiting for you or that your muslim counterpart is greeted by his 20 virgins when either of you pass).

I knew, and nearly wrote it in a PM to myself, that someone of shallow intellect would try this stretch.

Shazam!

[Mrs. G]

Holy crap, did you leave the cap off the rubber cement in your office?

Leviticus 19:31, 20:27

31Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.

27A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.

Deuteronomy 18:9-15

9When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.

10There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.
11Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
12For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
13Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.
14For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered thee so to do. 15The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

Well, there it is.

Now THIS is the kind of shit that scares the hell out. I've never been comfortable with any spiritual faith that condones killing and stoning, etc. whether it be muslim or christian. . . . yet many fundies in these faiths think its their obligation to, well, oblige their scripture through their tiny little human's mind interpretation and stone people.

[LutherBlue89]

I've been to 13 Steps cemetery around Palo and that place is awesome right around dusk. I've had a couple of unexplained things happen to me out there. I'm not a total believer, however there's been some unexplained things that have happened to me out there (dark figures that appear and disappear).Dark figures appearing and disappearing around dusk seems highly unusual to me.

[Mrs. G]

It works only because of your submission and belief.

Without question, this is absolutely the most profound statement you have ever made on this board, and rings true not just for the various practices that you may deem to be 'occult', but it is true for organized religions as well (at least for one's current state of being, i.e., just because you believe it now doesn't mean St. Pete will be waiting for you or that your muslim counterpart is greeted by his 20 virgins when either of you pass).

I knew, and nearly wrote it in a PM to myself, that someone of shallow intellect would try this stretch.

Shazam!

Ah, so now you are trying the 'it takes one to know one' approach. Not only are ouji boards real because you believed they were, but you also PM yourself with your future predictions. Very nice. The only thing you need now is a storefront with a neon sign and a 900 number.

[MickerHawk]

Now THIS is the kind of shit that scares the hell out. I've never been comfortable with any spiritual faith that condones killing and stoning, etc. whether it be muslim or christian. . . . yet many fundies in these faiths think its their obligation to, well, oblige their scripture through their tiny little human's mind interpretation and stone people.

Awesome.

Give us the breakdown of fundamentalists of the various religions doing this by percentages.

You can't bother yourself to state whether you'd rather live in a Muslim dominated nation or a Christian one, and yet you trot out the above. Honor killings are common place in Muslim nations, and women have all the judicial and spiritual rights of dogs (in the Quran BTW).

People are killed in Muslim nations today because they choose not to follow a particular religion they were raised in, but my Muslim sister and her husband Wa'il come over every couple weeks and are welcomed with open arms.

Oh, but you and your idiocy can't decide whether it would be better as a woman to live in a Christian society or a Muslim one.

[MickerHawk]

Not only are ouji boards real because you believed they were, but you also PM yourself with your future predictions.

I expressed that it was my opinion several times, never that it was fact because I stated it was.

[Mrs. G]

Now THIS is the kind of shit that scares the hell out. I've never been comfortable with any spiritual faith that condones killing and stoning, etc. whether it be muslim or christian. . . . yet many fundies in these faiths think its their obligation to, well, oblige their scripture through their tiny little human's mind interpretation and stone people.

Awesome.

Give us the breakdown of fundamentalists of the various religions doing this by percentages.

You can't bother yourself to state whether you'd rather live in a Muslim dominated nation or a Christian one, and yet you trot out the above. Honor killings are common place in Muslim nations, and women have all the judicial and spiritual rights of dogs (in the Quran BTW).

People are killed in Muslim nations today because they choose not to follow a particular religion they were raised in, but my Muslim sister and her husband Wa'il come over every couple weeks and are welcomed with open arms.

Oh, but you and your idiocy can't decide whether it would be better as a woman to live in a Christian society or a Muslim one.

No need, I believe in neither faith.

So now, lets get back to the real point here, do you believe and follow your bible or not? My guess is you, like every other christian, are very selective in the portions you choose to both believe and/or follow (based on your selected interpretation) . . . . or do you have a few stonings you'd like to admit to?

[MickerHawk]

Now THIS is the kind of shit that scares the hell out. I've never been comfortable with any spiritual faith that condones killing and stoning, etc. whether it be muslim or christian. . . . yet many fundies in these faiths think its their obligation to, well, oblige their scripture through their tiny little human's mind interpretation and stone people.

Awesome.

Give us the breakdown of fundamentalists of the various religions doing this by percentages.

You can't bother yourself to state whether you'd rather live in a Muslim dominated nation or a Christian one, and yet you trot out the above. Honor killings are common place in Muslim nations, and women have all the judicial and spiritual rights of dogs (in the Quran BTW).

People are killed in Muslim nations today because they choose not to follow a particular religion they were raised in, but my Muslim sister and her husband Wa'il come over every couple weeks and are welcomed with open arms.

Oh, but you and your idiocy can't decide whether it would be better as a woman to live in a Christian society or a Muslim one.

No need, I believe in neither faith.

LOL. Just as weak as the last time you tried that.

So now, lets get back to the real point here, do you believe and follow your bible or not?

Yep

My guess is you, like every other christian, are very selective in the portions you choose to both believe and/or follow (based on your selected interpretation) . . . . or do you have a few stonings you'd like to admit to?

Nope. I'm not selective at all. Before Jesus came there was only the law, and now the law doesn't apply our death to our sins, but rather it applies the death of Jesus the Christ to our sins, just as the blood passover applied the death of an innocent lamb to the sins of man.

Matt 5:17-18 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

It's also worth noting that according to scriptures the veil in front of the Holy of Holies, in the Jerusalem tabernacle was torn in two during Jesus' crucifixion. Thus, signifying clearly that we didn't need to appeal to God via the old sacrament, but rather the new one that Christ established.

Looks like you should have attended church more often as a kid in Nebbie, Mrs. G. You would have learned all this.

[MickerHawk]

So now, lets get back to the real point here

Fascinating that your "real point" had nothing to do with the subject matter.

By fascinating, I mean laughable.

[Mrs. G]

Nope. I'm not selective at all. Before Jesus came there was only the law, and now the law doesn't apply our death to our sins, but rather it applies the death of Jesus the Christ to our sins, just as the blood passover applied the death of an innocent lamb to the sins of man.

Matt 5:17-18 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

It's also worth noting that according to scriptures the veil in front of the Holy of Holies, in the Jerusalem tabernacle was torn in two during Jesus' crucifixion. Thus, signifying clearly that we didn't need to appeal to God via the old sacrament, but rather the new one that Christ established.

Looks like you should have attended church more often as a kid in Nebbie, Mrs. G. You would have learned all this.

Again, THIS is the kind of shit that scares the hell out of me, and not just the christians, the fundie muslims are just as disturbing.

[MickerHawk]

Nope. I'm not selective at all. Before Jesus came there was only the law, and now the law doesn't apply our death to our sins, but rather it applies the death of Jesus the Christ to our sins, just as the blood passover applied the death of an innocent lamb to the sins of man.

Matt 5:17-18 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

It's also worth noting that according to scriptures the veil in front of the Holy of Holies, in the Jerusalem tabernacle was torn in two during Jesus' crucifixion. Thus, signifying clearly that we didn't need to appeal to God via the old sacrament, but rather the new one that Christ established.

Looks like you should have attended church more often as a kid in Nebbie, Mrs. G. You would have learned all this.

Again, THIS is the kind of shit that scares the hell out of me, and not just the christians, the fundie muslims are just as disturbing.

You really suck at reading, Mrs. G. Really, really suck at it. You also suck at applying logic. If the only nations employing honor killings are Muslim nations, a statement like yours above that "fundie muslims are just as disturbing" is about as ridiculous as one can get. How did you even make it through college with reasoning skills that poor?

That would be like comparing Lou Gehrig and Jason Giambi and stating that steroids disturbs you, but oh don't get you wrong, Giambi is just as bad.

[Mrs. G]

Nope. I'm not selective at all. Before Jesus came there was only the law, and now the law doesn't apply our death to our sins, but rather it applies the death of Jesus the Christ to our sins, just as the blood passover applied the death of an innocent lamb to the sins of man.

Matt 5:17-18 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

It's also worth noting that according to scriptures the veil in front of the Holy of Holies, in the Jerusalem tabernacle was torn in two during Jesus' crucifixion. Thus, signifying clearly that we didn't need to appeal to God via the old sacrament, but rather the new one that Christ established.

Looks like you should have attended church more often as a kid in Nebbie, Mrs. G. You would have learned all this.

Again, THIS is the kind of shit that scares the hell out of me, and not just the christians, the fundie muslims are just as disturbing.

You really suck at reading, Mrs. G. Really, really suck at it. You also suck at applying logic. If the only nations employing honor killings are Muslim nations, a statement like yours above that "fundie muslims are just as disturbing" is about as ridiculous as one can get. How did you even make it through college with reasoning skills that poor?

That would be like comparing Lou Gehrig and Jason Giambi and stating that steroids disturbs you, but oh don't get you wrong, Giambi is just as bad.

Micker, it doesn't matter how many times I try to explain it to you, you will NEVER get it. You, just like a muslim, have selected a book as the cornerstone of your belief system, and you then proceed to live your life based on your interpretation of that book, as well as your interpretation of what others tell you about that book. I find as much highly disturbing.

Now, I have explained this to you many, many, many times, so either you just can't seem to wrap your tiny little mind around it, or possibly, you get it but get a charge out of stalking me on this board. If its the first, there's no point in me repeating myself; if it is the latter, then the only thing more pathetic than someone who stalks is the person who plays into to stalking. Hence, I will no longer be acknowledging either your willful ignorance or your stalking efforts.

[lilzaphod]

Technically, you're stalking him in this thread. He was here first.

[Mrs. G]

Technically, you're stalking him in this thread. He was here first.

:D You have a point. I was just trying to recognize the single time he has been right about something (management theory suggests that pointing out good behavior may lead to more of it).

As they say, no good deed goes unpunished.

[MickerHawk]

Technically, you're stalking him in this thread. He was here first.

And, she's attempting to change the subject, but doing a pee-poor job at it.

It's pretty sad when every attempt she makes ends in a diflection in another direction.

[bearbull24.5]

WellI dont believe in the bible so that makes me immune

[Mrs. G]

And, she's attempting to change the subject, but doing a pee-poor job at it.

It's pretty sad when every attempt she makes ends in a diflection in another direction.

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[Judge Kemp]

I worked in an old nursing home basement that used to be the mental home when I was in HS. I saw crazy stuff like black apparitions and white apparitions in old-school nursing uniforms.

I always shook it off as a play of light or my imagination.

It was always so creepy down there with unexplained noises that I used to play a "boombox." There was one entrance to the basement and I was the only one who worked night-shift laundry. I ran a load of pads to the top of the stairs where my cart was--boombox was blaring.

I came right back down and the music was off. Presuming something was screwed up, I went over to check it out. It was unplugged, hadn't been moved, but the cord was wrapped up neatly around the radio.

There was 0% chance someone else was in that basement and 0% chance someone could get in that basement.

I don't know what the heck was going on down there, but I assure you something paranormal was happening.

[Glen]

Just prior to my mom's passing she had a horrible seizure. The only people in her house at the time were my grandfather and my youngest sister, both of whom were sleeping. Neither were awaken by the sound of the seizure, but by the paramedics knocking at the door.

Someone from outside of our house had dialed 911 to summon the ambulance. My mother's bedroom in that house backed up to a vacant lot, so there is no way a neighbor saw her or made the call.

My mother worked at a hospital and was very good friends with several nurses and paramedics. After getting her to the hospital, they informed me about it and told me the call was not able to be recorded.

I have no explanation for how this happened.

[drbutkus]

Micker, care to teach us how to make/use an Ouija board?

Nope. I don't recall everything about it.

When we were using it, spring to summer of '88 at DLI in Monterey CA, we started asking it random off the wall stuff, but one of the things we asked was whether or not we had to use the board to "communicate." It answered no, we could use a particular kind of surface, something glass for the center piece, and candles of a specific color and number, and then the symbols drawn on with hot wax from the candles.

Yeah it worked, but it doesn't work because of any physical nature of the board or whatever. It works only because of your submission and belief. It worked occasionally without anyone touching the glass a couple of times. It worked well enough that we buried it about a couple weeks after building our own, and we were fairly terrified when we did.

The Bible stated pretty clearly that it's wrong to attempt to communicate with spirits from beyond the grave. The Bible clearly did not say that it wasn't possible, just that it was an abomination or some such. The Bible also talks about witchcraft, mediums, demonic possession, etc. as real things, so it's hard for me not to believe in it as well.

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[Rolo Tomassi]

I worked in an old nursing home basement that used to be the mental home when I was in HS. I saw crazy stuff like black apparitions and white apparitions in old-school nursing uniforms.

I always shook it off as a play of light or my imagination.

It was always so creepy down there with unexplained noises that I used to play a "boombox." There was one entrance to the basement and I was the only one who worked night-shift laundry. I ran a load of pads to the top of the stairs where my cart was--boombox was blaring.

I came right back down and the music was off. Presuming something was screwed up, I went over to check it out. It was unplugged, hadn't been moved, but the cord was wrapped up neatly around the radio.

There was 0% chance someone else was in that basement and 0% chance someone could get in that basement.

I don't know what the heck was going on down there, but I assure you something paranormal was happening.


On one of the Ghost Hunters episodes, they were at the Birdcage Theatre in Tombstone, AZ. The electrical cord to one of their pieces of equipment was wound around an alarm bell on the wall so they could keep it off the floor and not be tripping over it. They actually caught on videotape the cord being unwound and dropped to the floor. Nobody was close to it. Very fricking freaky.

[PipeDaddyWannabe]

Maybe I need to watch Ghost Hunters more. I haven't spent much time watching it because of the annoying "creepy old woman" voice that narrates.

Always been more of a Paranormal State fan, but that's been pretty dang cheesy lately.

[Rolo Tomassi]

Maybe I need to watch Ghost Hunters more. I haven't spent much time watching it because of the annoying "creepy old woman" voice that narrates.

Always been more of a Paranormal State fan, but that's been pretty dang cheesy lately.

You're thinking of the wrong show. Ghost Hunters doesn't have any creepy old woman voice doing the narrating. I believe you might be thinking of Most Haunted. I watched one episode of Most Haunted once, and it was terrible. Haven't seen it since.

And you're right, Paranormal State is cheesy. It can't hold a candle to Ghost Hunters.

[PipeDaddyWannabe]

Maybe I need to watch Ghost Hunters more. I haven't spent much time watching it because of the annoying "creepy old woman" voice that narrates.

Always been more of a Paranormal State fan, but that's been pretty dang cheesy lately.

You're thinking of the wrong show. Ghost Hunters doesn't have any creepy old woman voice doing the narrating. I believe you might be thinking of Most Haunted. I watched one episode of Most Haunted once, and it was terrible. Haven't seen it since.

And you're right, Paranormal State is cheesy. It can't hold a candle to Ghost Hunters.

Yeah, I think you're right now that you mention it. I'll have to take a look at Ghost Hunters and see what it's like...

As far as PS goes, I used to love it. But this newest season it seemed like they tried to make it more dramatic. They wound up going over the top with it.

Oh, and for the record, I can't stand Chip (one of their mediums they call in). I can't quite figure out exactly what it is about him I don't like... I think it has something to do with how dramatic he is as a person. It's ridiculous.

[PhilHartman]

This thread made me laugh.

[ChipHilton]

Admit it, Mick, if you had your way, you know this is how Mrs G would look:

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[MickerHawk]

Admit it, Mick, if you had your way, you know this is how Mrs G would look:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_vBfoDAPj3Ek/StD2WwxA5SI/AAAAAAAAA_w/VEXlOa1cKmU/s400/burqa-clad-muslim-women_246.jpg

Yep. I also wouldn't allow her to drive a car, vote, or believe she has a shot at 'paradise.' Islam says that most of the people in hell that Muhammad the 'prophet' saw were women.

[ChipHilton]

Admit it, Mick, if you had your way, you know this is how Mrs G would look:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_vBfoDAPj3Ek/StD2WwxA5SI/AAAAAAAAA_w/VEXlOa1cKmU/s400/burqa-clad-muslim-women_246.jpg

Yep. I also wouldn't allow her to drive a car, vote, or believe she has a shot at 'paradise.' Islam says that most of the people in hell that Muhammad the 'prophet' saw were women.

Just exactly as Billy Graham and James Kennedy and Jerry Falwell instructed you. Thank goodness Margaret Sanger and Darwin- and some of their political offspring- were there for the rational.