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Rolo Tomassi
06-25-2009, 01:21 PM
I was aware that they have their own plan now, but it sure takes some chutzpah for them to declare a health care emergency, and then foist a plan on us that they will continue to be exempt from. That is, of course, if this is true. Here's John Fund's WSJ column. I have no reason to doubt what he says.

In a desperate scramble to pay for the soaring costs of President Obama's health care plan, the Senate Finance Committee is contemplating taxing for the first time the health insurance benefits workers get from their employers. One approach would tax the benefits only of workers earning over $100,000. An alternate proposal would tax the value of health care benefits that exceed a cap.

But the taxes wouldn't be applied equally. Union members serving under collective bargaining agreements would be exempt, even though they often have the richest and most extensive packages of benefits. Union officials have told Democratic leaders of Congress that because collective bargaining agreements can last several years, they should be exempt from any tax because contracts can't be changed quickly enough to avoid it.

The real reason, of course, is that unions have political clout and are exercising it. The exemption is "a means of making sure that unions are foursquare behind any reform bill that comes out," Henry Aaron, a Brookings Institution scholar, told the Washington Examiner.

There's a reason the Obama health care plan is being rushed through Congress this summer -- because the American people would likely never support it if given time to absorb and understand such fine print. If the union carve-out isn't sufficient to excite public anger, wait till you hear about the version of the Obama plan prepared by Senator Edward Kennedy, which would specifically exempt Members of Congress from many of its provisions.

As the U.S. Office of Personnel Management notes, Members of Congress "enjoy the widest selection of health plans in the country." According to page 114 of the Kennedy bill, a similar array of choices would not be available to other Americans in the future. Instead, they would be shunted into health insurance plans under the straightjacket of whatever the government decides is a "basic" plan.

The goal would be to restrict care for the general public in order to control costs, while making sure Congress gets the gold-plated attention it's accustomed to. Ultimately, the rest of us would be asked to trade a private insurance company as gatekeeper for a government gatekeeper. The difference, of course, is that most of us can fire our insurance gatekeeper. Just try to do that once the government fills that role.

--John Fund

crazed_hoosier1
06-25-2009, 01:50 PM
That's a surefire way to rally public sentiment against the bill. Can these people really be this tonedeaf? I guess so. It's almost as if they want the thing to go down in flames....because I can think of no better way to increase the likelihood of that than by creating an exemption for political elites.

As for the union exemption, I'm not even sure such a thing would be constitutional. How can they say that non-union employer A has to "pay or play" but that union employer B doesn't? That seems like a backdoor method of making unionized employment more attractive....because it increases the costs of non-union employment.

And how in the world can this help our unemployment situation right now? A lot of employers don't offer healthcare benefits as it is. Now, they're either going to have to offer them or pay a tax to fund the public option.

That'll be great for the job market, I'm sure. Couldn't come at a better time.

StinkyMcFadden
06-25-2009, 02:15 PM
They're laughing at us again.

coff
06-25-2009, 02:41 PM
Relax, Iza has assured us that Obama would never, ever support such a scheme.

SondyRules
06-25-2009, 02:51 PM
Relax, Iza has assured us that Obama would never, ever support such a scheme.

Where has Iza been? Is the man working him to the bone so he can't post on HROT?

Corporate Raider
06-25-2009, 02:52 PM
this is a surprise to people?

Chunky Lover 69
06-25-2009, 05:14 PM
Didn't McCain at least offer a $5000 tax credit? Maybe that was the part of his plan that Obama thought was radical.

cloudhawk
06-25-2009, 06:54 PM
definitely bullshit- crazed is onto something- it seems they don't want it to pass. Political games, boyz

PipeDaddy
01-13-2010, 07:55 PM
They're laughing at us again.

This.

If the union exemption being proposed doesn't infuriate you, then you aren't American.

xr4ticlone
01-13-2010, 09:03 PM
But...but...but...Randi Rhodes ASSURED me this would NOT be the case....she even hung up on a caller and called him an IDIOT for suggesting such a thing.

MickerHawk
01-13-2010, 10:29 PM
definitely bullshit- crazed is onto something- it seems they don't want it to pass. Political games, boyz

Why, exactly? Not a flame, just wondering why you would think this.

If Congress can exempt themselves from their own laws, and did so for decades until '95, why would we think they wouldn't exempt themselves from this?

It wasn't until '84 that Congressmen had to pay anything into SS/Medicare/Medicaid, as they had their own separate plan until that time.

This is simply par for the course.

PipeDaddy
01-13-2010, 10:39 PM
I love how a 6 month old thread is still valid today. The Dems don't disappoint. :)

MickerHawk
01-13-2010, 10:47 PM
I love how a 6 month old thread is still valid today. The Dems don't disappoint. :)

We knew it would be. Others still love how awesome the Democrats are, especially Obama, cause he's awesome.

drbutkus
01-13-2010, 11:36 PM
Question: In a mixed shop, will employees who aren't union pay a premium that union members won't, or is this solely a tax on whomever provides the policy?

Vepr
01-13-2010, 11:38 PM
We really need to start picking out the brick walls and belting the ammo.

Mr. Hawk
01-13-2010, 11:39 PM
We really need to start picking out the brick walls and belting the ammo.
I throw a mean molotov.

Vepr
01-13-2010, 11:41 PM
We really need to start picking out the brick walls and belting the ammo.
I throw a mean molotov.

End the revolution before it started.

"Yeah we were all set to go and some jackass torched himself and all the leaders..."

Mr. Hawk
01-13-2010, 11:50 PM
actually, lately, i've been more of a tire iron and electric guitar melee weapon guy.

SidJefferies
01-14-2010, 03:09 PM
We really need to start picking out the brick walls and belting the ammo.
I throw a mean molotov.

The funny thing is it isn't mean to anyone BUT your teammates. ;)

lilzaphod
01-14-2010, 03:23 PM
We really need to start picking out the brick walls and belting the ammo.

I understand the 'belt the ammo' comment, but the 'picking out brick walls' is lost on me.

It's probably so basic that it's actually over my head. But I'll put my self out there and ask for an explanation.