"Joe the Plumber -- you can quote me -- is a dumbass"

[Gushawk]

From Meghan McCain. Why couldn't her father recognize as much?

[Mr. Hawk]

You're quoting 20-something year old daughters of presidential candidates who made their claim to fame by blogging and twittering about the campaign on political matters now? What's next, relying on the Huffington Post for your political news? Oh wait...

[SondyRules]

From Meghan McCain. Why couldn't her father recognize as much?

Because McCain doesn't hold the American people in high regard, so he figured Joe was the average American and that he would help him get elected.

[Gushawk]

You're quoting 20-something year old daughters of presidential candidates who made their claim to fame by blogging and twittering about the campaign on political matters now?

I'm quoting this one solely for her ability to recognize a dumbass when she sees one.

[Perham1]

You're quoting 20-something year old daughters of presidential candidates who made their claim to fame by blogging and twittering about the campaign on political matters now? What's next, relying on the Huffington Post for your political news? Oh wait...

So... why couldn't her father recognize the obvious?

[Mr. Hawk]

You're quoting 20-something year old daughters of presidential candidates who made their claim to fame by blogging and twittering about the campaign on political matters now?

I'm quoting this one solely for her ability to recognize a dumbass when she sees one.I wonder what her opinion of Obama is.

[Gushawk]

I wonder what her opinion of Obama is.

Something other than dumbass, most likely. Perhaps you could twitter her to find out.

[newsbreaker]

Based upon this revelation, I think Obama is going to win the election.

[nolookpass]

I dont blame gus for focusing on Joe the Plumber at this point.

[Gushawk]

I think it speaks to a broader tone deafness.

[nolookpass]

I think it speaks to a broader tone deafness.

yes your refusal to acknowledge the failures of the magic negro presidency speaks loudly.

Im surprised you dont focus your disdain on the failure of anything to be done with N Korea......


Just kidding.

[PipeDaddy]

Given Obama's actions, and Joe the Plumber's prediction that is coming true, I'd say that dumbass or not he was right on the mark.

Now you can choose, Gus. Is it Obama or JtheP that is pwning all of us?

[opiate of the masses]

You're quoting 20-something year old daughters of presidential candidates who made their claim to fame by blogging and twittering about the campaign on political matters now? What's next, relying on the Huffington Post for your political news? Oh wait...

pwn3d BIG TIME

[Pinehawk]

Meghan McCain is calling someone a dumbass? Really?

[ISUFan98]

Let me know when Megan shows up in Playboy. Then I might be interested in her.

[crazed_hoosier1]

From Meghan McCain. Why couldn't her father recognize as much?

He may be a dumbass, I really don't know.

However, whether he is or not says absolutely nothing about the point he raised to then-Sen. Obama...which was a great point. I think the fact that so many on the left continue obsessing about the guy speaks volumes.

For me, the "Joe the Plumber" episode wasn't at all about Joe himself. Instead, it was just symbolic of the ongoing struggle between the private sector and the public sector. Joe represented the source of our nation's prosperity -- Obama represented those who want to take property from the people who earned it and divvy it up among people who have no claim to it in the name of "social justice."

Anybody who chooses to focus on the guy who posed the question instead of the question he posed is completely missing the point.

[newsbreaker]

He probably is an idiot - and yet he was able to some things out that have eluded many people with much more education and intelligence than he.

I don't know what that says about any of these people.

[crazed_hoosier1]

He probably is an idiot - and yet he was able to some things out that have eluded many people with much more education and intelligence than he.

I don't know what that says about any of these people.

Well, that too.

I'll agree with Ms. McCain to this extent: I wish that the entrepreneurial American who creates the vast majority of jobs in this country and is threatened by the vision that Barack Obama has for this country had a better spokesman than Joe the Plumber.

But, for me, the entire story has never been about the guy himself....although I can hardly blame the champions of big government for diverting attention to him and away from the question he posed.

[Rolo Tomassi]

He probably is an idiot - and yet he was able to some things out that have eluded many people with much more education and intelligence than he.

I don't know what that says about any of these people.

Well, that too.

I'll agree with Ms. McCain to this extent: I wish that the entrepreneurial American who creates the vast majority of jobs in this country and is threatened by the vision that Barack Obama has for this country had a better spokesman than Joe the Plumber.

But, for me, the entire story has never been about the guy himself....although I can hardly blame the champions of big government for diverting attention to him and away from the question he posed.

I think calling him an idiot is a bit harsh, but as you guys have mentioned, he did manage to force Obama to put himself out there on Front Street regarding his vision of wealth redistribution. For that, we should be grateful to the man. And for that, the Left has excoriated him - not for what he is, but for what he did.

[crazed_hoosier1]

I think calling him an idiot is a bit harsh, but as you guys have mentioned, he did manage to force Obama to put himself out there on Front Street regarding his vision of wealth redistribution. For that, we should be grateful to the man. And for that, the Left has excoriated him - not for what he is, but for what he did.

;)

Don't you know? Joe was a plant! He'd been tracking Obama all over just waiting for the opportunity to embarrass him on camera. As luck would have it, the confrontation was able to take place right in front of his house....and with a video camera rolling, no less!

Shoot the messenger -- ignore the message.

[LakeBull]

Who cares? His fifteen are already way over.

[Pinehawk]

Who cares? His fifteen are already way over.

Joe comes to the realization he was used...
Sounds like he probably wanted a little more wealth redistributed his way.


Washington (CNN) - He was one of the faces of John McCain's presidential campaign in 2008, but Joe Wurzelbacher - better known to the world as "Joe the Plumber" - is apparently finished with the Arizona senator.

"John McCain is no public servant," Wurzelbacher said at a campaign rally Saturday in Pennsylvania for long shot gubernatorial candidate Sam Rohrer. Later, in an interview with Pennsylvania Public Radio, he dismissed the suggestion that he owes his fame to McCain.

"I don't owe him sh*t," Wurzelbacher said. "He really screwed my life up, is how I look at it."

"McCain was trying to use me," he said. "I happened to be the face of middle Americans. It was a ploy."

Wurzelbacher said he's also done with Sarah Palin because she is backing McCain's re-election bid in Arizona.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/?fbid=RA7dZdtjzV5

[Gushawk]

"I happened to be the face of middle Americans."

If so, that's an awfully dumb face. Fortunately, I think he's wrong.

[crazed_hoosier1]

uh, on second thought....

[Slyhawk]

Sounds like he probably wanted a little more wealth redistributed his way.


We must not have read the same article.

[crazed_hoosier1]

BTW, speaking of people who have impacted politically in recent years coming back to take potshots at the pols who exploited them, I found a recent comment from the infamous (to some) OLC lawyer, now Berkeley Law Prof, John Yoo pretty interesting (http://abovethelaw.com/2010/02/john_yoo_bob_barr_debate.php)...
After being asked a question about whether one could criticize the Bush Administration for acting outside of Jeffersonian and Lockean theories of acting extra-legally, Yoo responded something very close to the following: “If you’re going to criticize the Bush Administration, there’s no need to limit yourself to fancy theories; the starting point to criticize the Bush Administration is ‘complete incompetence and stupidity.’”
When asked for a response to these hard-hitting charges, former Vice President Dick Cheney's office issued a brief, two-word statement:

"Fuck Yoo!"

Regards,
The Hon. Richard B. Cheney

[Dolomitey]

From Meghan McCain. Why couldn't her father recognize as much?

He may be a dumbass, I really don't know.

However, whether he is or not says absolutely nothing about the point he raised to then-Sen. Obama...which was a great point. I think the fact that so many on the left continue obsessing about the guy speaks volumes.

For me, the "Joe the Plumber" episode wasn't at all about Joe himself. Instead, it was just symbolic of the ongoing struggle between the private sector and the public sector. Joe represented the source of our nation's prosperity -- Obama represented those who want to take property from the people who earned it and divvy it up among people who have no claim to it in the name of "social justice."

Anybody who chooses to focus on the guy who posed the question instead of the question he posed is completely missing the point.

Gotta love that argument. Sarah Palin won't keep herself out of the news, but liberals are obsessed. The daughter of the Presidential candidate that made Joe the Plumber
famous calls Joe a dumbass, and once again "so many" liberals are completely obsessed with Joe. We're talking about the two most overexposed Republicans from the last election. There is no straw man here. Republicans made these two famous and now bitch every time they make the news (regardless of whether they are news because of a new job or a big speech or controversial twitter posts or a Republican calling Joe dumb).

[ISUFan98]

From Meghan McCain. Why couldn't her father recognize as much?

He may be a dumbass, I really don't know.

However, whether he is or not says absolutely nothing about the point he raised to then-Sen. Obama...which was a great point. I think the fact that so many on the left continue obsessing about the guy speaks volumes.

For me, the "Joe the Plumber" episode wasn't at all about Joe himself. Instead, it was just symbolic of the ongoing struggle between the private sector and the public sector. Joe represented the source of our nation's prosperity -- Obama represented those who want to take property from the people who earned it and divvy it up among people who have no claim to it in the name of "social justice."

Anybody who chooses to focus on the guy who posed the question instead of the question he posed is completely missing the point.

Gotta love that argument. Sarah Palin won't keep herself out of the news, but liberals are obsessed. The daughter of the Presidential candidate that made Joe the Plumber
famous calls Joe a dumbass, and once again "so many" liberals are completely obsessed with Joe. We're talking about the two most overexposed Republicans from the last election. There is no straw man here. Republicans made these two famous and now bitch every time they make the news (regardless of whether they are news because of a new job or a big speech or controversial twitter posts or a Republican calling Joe dumb).

Let's use HaLo as an object lesson here.

Who makes more posts about Palin:

1.) HaLo conservatives, or

2.) Moby

[Mr. Hawk]

or

3) Andrew Sullivan

[nolookpass]

its funny how our LLF friends ignore The Magic Negros gross incompetence and focus on Palin, Joe the Plumber and whatever Glenn beck said recently.

[Lime]

or

3) Andrew Sullivan

Including Andrew Sullivan in this discussion is like asking what the Dream Team's record would have been in the Big Ten. It just isn't fair.

[LakeBull]

You're quoting 20-something year old daughters of presidential candidates who made their claim to fame by blogging and twittering about the campaign on political matters now?

I'm quoting this one solely for her ability to recognize a dumbass when she sees one.

Hard to argue with her conclusion, but a daily glance in the mirror likely has more to do with her education in this matter.

[lilzaphod]

its funny how our LLF friends ignore The Magic Negros gross incompetence and focus on Palin, Joe the Plumber and whatever Glenn beck said recently.

1. It's funny how you got your ass handed to you about the Haiti kidnappings, yet you keep walking into the swings like a punch drunk fool. Your point above is not much different than that for those you are discussing here.

2. I would love to motorboat the hell out of Lil McCain's taters.

[Dolomitey]

He may be a dumbass, I really don't know.

However, whether he is or not says absolutely nothing about the point he raised to then-Sen. Obama...which was a great point. I think the fact that so many on the left continue obsessing about the guy speaks volumes.

For me, the "Joe the Plumber" episode wasn't at all about Joe himself. Instead, it was just symbolic of the ongoing struggle between the private sector and the public sector. Joe represented the source of our nation's prosperity -- Obama represented those who want to take property from the people who earned it and divvy it up among people who have no claim to it in the name of "social justice."

Anybody who chooses to focus on the guy who posed the question instead of the question he posed is completely missing the point.

Gotta love that argument. Sarah Palin won't keep herself out of the news, but liberals are obsessed. The daughter of the Presidential candidate that made Joe the Plumber
famous calls Joe a dumbass, and once again "so many" liberals are completely obsessed with Joe. We're talking about the two most overexposed Republicans from the last election. There is no straw man here. Republicans made these two famous and now bitch every time they make the news (regardless of whether they are news because of a new job or a big speech or controversial twitter posts or a Republican calling Joe dumb).

Let's use HaLo as an object lesson here.

Who makes more posts about Palin:

1.) HaLo conservatives, or

2.) Moby

It might be a lesson if the "obsession" refrain was ever limited to the obsessed person. Instead we get to hear about the "so many" unnamed others.

[ISUFan98]

its funny how our LLF friends ignore The Magic Negros gross incompetence and focus on Palin, Joe the Plumber and whatever Glenn beck said recently.

2. I would love to motorboat the hell out of Lil McCain's taters.

+100.

They're real, and they're spectacular.

[Gushawk]

Must come from dad's side.

[Verbal]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/15/article-0-06D4DBB0000005DC-860_468x348.jpg

[nolookpass]

its funny how our LLF friends ignore The Magic Negros gross incompetence and focus on Palin, Joe the Plumber and whatever Glenn beck said recently.

1. It's funny how you got your ass handed to you about the Haiti kidnappings, yet you keep walking into the swings like a punch drunk fool. Your point above is not much different than that for those you are discussing here.

2. I would love to motorboat the hell out of Lil McCain's taters.

really? Im still waiting for a legal definition of kidnapping that doesnt include intent...

[lilzaphod]

its funny how our LLF friends ignore The Magic Negros gross incompetence and focus on Palin, Joe the Plumber and whatever Glenn beck said recently.

1. It's funny how you got your ass handed to you about the Haiti kidnappings, yet you keep walking into the swings like a punch drunk fool. Your point above is not much different than that for those you are discussing here.

2. I would love to motorboat the hell out of Lil McCain's taters.

really? Im still waiting for a legal definition of kidnapping that doesnt include intent...

They didn't intend to take the children with them across the border? WTF? You're not even trying.

[nolookpass]

http://www.legal-explanations.com/definitions/kidnapping.htm

this will help you.

[Gushawk]

Ignorance of the law is generally no excuse. Put another way, "intent" almost never means the specific intent to break the law in question, and it certainly doesn't mean that in the context of most kidnapping or child trafficking laws. As an ex-cop, I would've guessed you knew that.

[Gushawk]

http://www.legal-explanations.com/definitions/kidnapping.htm

this will help you.

LMAO.

[nolookpass]

Ignorance of the law is generally no excuse. Put another way, "intent" almost never means the specific intent to break the law in question, and it certainly doesn't mean that in the context of most kidnapping or child trafficking laws. As an ex-cop, I would've guessed you knew that.


what was the "intent" of "kidnapping" these children?

Correct me if Im wrong, but a kidnapping includes intent of getting ransom, or harming the victim in some way.

[Gushawk]

I'm neither licensed in Haiti nor have I researched the translated text of the statute they were charged under, but before going out on a limb and arguing that these people didn't have the requisite intent to commit the crime for which they are charged, I would probably do so.

[crazed_hoosier1]

From Meghan McCain. Why couldn't her father recognize as much?

He may be a dumbass, I really don't know.

However, whether he is or not says absolutely nothing about the point he raised to then-Sen. Obama...which was a great point. I think the fact that so many on the left continue obsessing about the guy speaks volumes.

For me, the "Joe the Plumber" episode wasn't at all about Joe himself. Instead, it was just symbolic of the ongoing struggle between the private sector and the public sector. Joe represented the source of our nation's prosperity -- Obama represented those who want to take property from the people who earned it and divvy it up among people who have no claim to it in the name of "social justice."

Anybody who chooses to focus on the guy who posed the question instead of the question he posed is completely missing the point.

Gotta love that argument. Sarah Palin won't keep herself out of the news, but liberals are obsessed. The daughter of the Presidential candidate that made Joe the Plumber
famous calls Joe a dumbass, and once again "so many" liberals are completely obsessed with Joe. We're talking about the two most overexposed Republicans from the last election. There is no straw man here. Republicans made these two famous and now bitch every time they make the news (regardless of whether they are news because of a new job or a big speech or controversial twitter posts or a Republican calling Joe dumb).

OK, for one thing, we're picking up a conversation that took place last July. So, keep that in mind.

And, yes, the left is at least as obsessed with Sarah Palin as that subsection of the right which adores her. Go peruse the left-wing blogs. And then peruse the right-wing ones. Tell me who talks more about Sarah Palin.

For crying out loud, Palin obsessors have their own chapter of birthers (but about the circumstances of Trig's birth, rather than Obama's).

But I'll reiterate what I said about Joe the Plumber back in July....the whole episode ought to have been far less about him personally than about what he asked and what answer he received from candidate Obama.

Whether some guy from Toledo is a dumbass or not really doesn't matter a hill of beans to any of the rest of us. What our president's worldview is, however, does matter quite a bit. And Joe asked a salient question and received what, IMO, was a very revealing answer.

Naturally, what we ought to be concerned about is not what our potential next president said, but whether or not Joe is actually named Joe, whether he actually holds a plumber's license, and whether or not he makes $250,000 a year or not.

[crazed_hoosier1]

And, BTW, I'm miffed by that my Yoo/Cheney line hasn't elicited so much as a mention. I thought it was pretty clever and timely, if I say so myself.

[nolookpass]

I'm neither licensed in Haiti nor have I researched the translated text of the statute they were charged under, but before going out on a limb and arguing that these people didn't have the requisite intent to commit the crime for which they are charged, I would probably do so.

kidnapping includes two elements...

one the taking of someone by force or the threat of force

secondly, with the INTENT of harming them in some way or holding them for ransom. You wrongfully assummed I was saying they didnt INTEND to break the law. That wasnt my point at all.

from most press accounts, neither of these two elements have been shown.

[RecreationalGynecologist]

I suspect something else is going on rather than actual concern for the childrens' welfare.

[nolookpass]

I suspect something else is going on rather than actual concern for the childrens' welfare.

thanks for weighing in Congressman Murtha. :)

[Gushawk]

I'm neither licensed in Haiti nor have I researched the translated text of the statute they were charged under, but before going out on a limb and arguing that these people didn't have the requisite intent to commit the crime for which they are charged, I would probably do so.

kidnapping includes two elements...

one the taking of someone by force or the threat of force

secondly, with the INTENT of harming them in some way or holding them for ransom. You wrongfully assummed I was saying they didnt INTEND to break the law. That wasnt my point at all.

from most press accounts, neither of these two elements have been shown.

Aren't the elements of the crime set forth in the actual law under which these people were charged more pertinent to any discussion of the matter? My guess is that reads differently from the online summary you posted.

[JohnGault]

Joe the plumber as issue...really??? His only crime was asking a question that made the lord Obama look bad.

I remember in 1992 a guy asked asked bill clinton a hard question in San Diego. The next thing you know the left wing cum guzzling press was checking into his backround. They found an ex wife that didn't believe he paid his taxes one year.

If Joe would have asked a question like..".How did you get to be so wonderful Lord Obama"
he would have his own show on msnbc.

[xr4ticlone]

From Meghan McCain. Why couldn't her father recognize as much?

Meghan...like McCain...is like...such a like...dumb-ass and like stuff....like you know?

And for the record I think her dad is like a dumb-ass RINO and like only voted for him because like he wasn't a like flat out communist like that like black guy he like ran against. And like the whole time I like filled out the like ballot I was so like "I like totally like hope this old fucking like RINO like wins...and then like has a massive stroke right after the like inauguration like and can't serve because like as much as I like don't really like think like Sarah like Palin is like all that like smart I like totally like think she would be like better than the like majic like negro or this like old fucking RINO"

Joe the plumber takes dumps smarter than Meghan McCain. Unlike Meghan Joe wasn't born with anything and hasn't had anything given to him. Meghan McCain without her father's fame would be like making like fries at like McDonalds because she's like a fucking retard.

I am no Palin supporter for POTUS or anything but I think she's more honest and normal than most politicians. That said she's loosing points with me for supporting McCain. McCain is a progressive RINO POS who against anyone but the flat out commie we have would have not gotten my vote. The fact that this worthless old bastard became the party's nominee is one of the most damning things you can say about the Republican party and it's ineptness.

God bless him for his service and suffering...but we'd all be better off if John McCain was a used car salesman in Phoenix.

[douglasbader]

Joe the Plumber is the definition of a uneducated idiot. He should marry Palin and they would make the perfect couple.

[blacklespaul]

Hey Gus, your guy won the election. Do we really care anymore about Joe the Plumber?

[nolookpass]

Hey Gus, your guy won the election. Do we really care anymore about Joe the Plumber?

sure we do. And Sarah Palin. Takes the focus off the wonderful job Chairman O is doing.