Kyle Orton 3 INT in 3 possesions

[roseboundhawk]

he's pretty much equal to Jay Cutler though.

[PipeDaddy]

Does he still have the pubic hair beard?

[crazed_hoosier1]

A good friend of mine is a huge Broncos fan. And he was among those calling for Shanahan's head at the end of last season.

I told him to be careful what he wished for -- they didn't know how good they had it. I think more and more of them are starting to come around to knowing.

This whole thing has been a massive debacle for the orange horses. They fired the wrong guy. The hired the wrong guy. And then McDaniels makes his life that much harder by trying to trade over his Pro Bowl QB.

They're in for a long road back, IMO. I'd love to see Shanny in Indy in a few years, once this Caldwell experiment goes south.

[roseboundhawk]

Does he still have the pubic hair beard?

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20090731/capt.17f3b7b48f7d4e989fcde93e6164c83a.broncos_camp _football_codz103.jpg

[RecreationalGynecologist]

Firing Shanahan was a bad move by the Broncos organization. Fans do pay the bills, but most owners should realize the average fan does not know shit about the game of football despite what they say or think.

[crazed_hoosier1]

Firing Shanahan was a bad move by the Broncos organization. Fans do pay the bills, but most owners should realize the average fan does not know shit about the game of football despite what they say or think.

From what I gathered, it wasn't a fan-led revolt against Shanny. Pat Bowlen was reportedly incensed about the team dropping those last 3 games last season and he just blew a gasket.

As I recall, Bowlen's meeting with his team's coach of 14 seasons (most of them playoff seasons and 2 of them Super Bowl winning) lasted all of about 5 minutes and didn't consist of much more than informing him that what happened was unacceptable and that his days at Denver were over.

It's true that Denver fans were similarly outraged. But I think it was all on Bowlen. I wonder if he's ever questioned the decision considering what's gone on since. If he hasn't by now, I'll bet he does within the next few years.

To me, that would be about like Duke firing Coach K for not living up to the lofty expectations he created by being so successful all those years he's been there. IMO, Mike Shanahan has consistently been one of the 5 or 6 best coaches in the NFL the past 15 years. And considering that most teams cycle through coach after coach trying to find anybody who can even come close to working out, you'd think the Broncos would've appreciated that.

[Lime]

Did you just use the first NFL preseason game to make a point?

[Debit One]

I'd love to see Shanny in Indy in a few years, once this Caldwell experiment goes south.

As a Colts fan, the Caldwell experiment going south is exactly what I fear.

Have any other teams ever expressed an interest in Caldwell? Would the Colts have considered him as head coaching material were it not for Tony Dungy liking the guy?

I hope that I'm wrong, but I foresee quite a decline.

[Monster]

Did you just use the first NFL preseason game to make a point?

I believe he did. He's been waiting to do that.

[MikeyJoe]

Would someone like to make the assertion that Kyle's Orton's body of work would indicate that this preseason performance is some sort of unexpected aberration?

[Monster]

Would someone like to make the assertion that Kyle's Orton's body of work would indicate that this preseason performance is some sort of unexpected aberration?

Normally, I would. But I just don't feel like bothering with it.

[MikeyJoe]

http://rlans.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/muhammad-ali-knock-out1.jpg

[nolookpass]

Would someone like to make the assertion that Kyle's Orton's body of work would indicate that this preseason performance is some sort of unexpected aberration?

orton was having a very good year last year prior to being injured. The Bears have two types of receivers, fast ones who cant catch and good handed ones that cant get open.

last year was his first year where he was proclaimed the starter and he was off to a good year.

I didnt think it would be possible for you to know less about football than you do about baseball, but sadly I was mistaken.

[Monster]

You wanted a fight, Mikey. You got one.

[MikeyJoe]

SEP Rams to the rescue!

[Legend12]

Would someone like to make the assertion that Kyle's Orton's body of work would indicate that this preseason performance is some sort of unexpected aberration?

last year was his first year where he was proclaimed the starter and he was off to a good year.


Huh?

[MikeyJoe]

But seriously guys - I'm exaggerating slightly, but the guy's got 27 career interceptions to 30 career touchdowns with a career completion percentage of just over 55%. He's obviously not going to throw an interception every possession, but this isn't exactly like Tom Brady had a bad preseason game.

[MikeyJoe]

I didnt think it would be possible for you to know less about football than you do about baseball, but sadly I was mistaken.
Oh, and by the way - someone who claimed that the Cubs should bench Derrek Lee for Micah freaking Hoffpauir should not be making this statement. ;)

[nolookpass]

Would someone like to make the assertion that Kyle's Orton's body of work would indicate that this preseason performance is some sort of unexpected aberration?

last year was his first year where he was proclaimed the starter and he was off to a good year.


Huh?

last year was the first year that he was named the starter going into training camp.

[Monster]

But seriously guys - I'm exaggerating slightly, but the guy's got 27 career interceptions to 30 career touchdowns with a career completion percentage of just over 55%. He's obviously not going to throw an interception every possession, but this isn't exactly like Tom Brady had a bad preseason game.

That's true, but my furry friend is correct in his assessment of last season (except the starter part. Kyle started as a rookie, though by injury default, so he has a point). Kyle was in the top 5 among QB's through week 7 when he went down with a severe high ankle sprain. To that point he had 10 tds, 4 ints, and was throwing for nearly 235 yards per game. His rating was well over 90 at that point. He missed a game, but still wound up with 18 tds and 12 ints. The argument often made is that those stats when factored with the Bears' style of play and their lack of talent at receiver, were pretty darn good.

His career record as a starter is 21-12, btw. Cutler is 17-20.


And yes, I see what you did there. Homo. ;)

[Debit One]

I didnt think it would be possible for you to know less about football than you do about baseball, but sadly I was mistaken.
Oh, and by the way - someone who claimed that the Cubs should bench Derrek Lee for Micah freaking Hoffpauir should not be making this statement. ;)

Be careful, Mikey.

http://www.martygaal.com/blog/uploaded_images/rottweiler-743161.jpg

[MikeyJoe]

But seriously guys - I'm exaggerating slightly, but the guy's got 27 career interceptions to 30 career touchdowns with a career completion percentage of just over 55%. He's obviously not going to throw an interception every possession, but this isn't exactly like Tom Brady had a bad preseason game.

That's true, but my furry friend is correct in his assessment of last season (except the starter part. Kyle started as a rookie, though by injury default, so he has a point). Kyle was in the top 5 among QB's through week 7 when he went down with a severe high ankle sprain. To that point he had 10 tds, 4 ints, and was throwing for nearly 235 yards per game. His rating was well over 90 at that point. He missed a game, but still wound up with 18 tds and 12 ints. The argument often made is that those stats when factored with the Bears' style of play and their lack of talent at receiver, were pretty darn good.

His career record as a starter is 21-12, btw. Cutler is 17-20.

And yes, I see what you did there. Homo. ;)
We had this conversation last year as those good starts were happening, and his stats through the first 7 or 8 games almost exactly mirrored Rex Grossman's from the season before. There's a reason they don't give out any trophies for half seasons.

[newsbreaker]

Word out of Bears' camp is that Hester looks great and is well on his way to becoming a legitimate receiver.

How pissed is Orton going to be. He had nobody to throw to, and as soon as he leaves, the receiving crops takes a step forward.

[Debit One]

His career record as a starter is 21-12, btw. Cutler is 17-20.


http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2008/writers/don_banks/12/19/one-seeds/trent-dilfer.jpg

[MikeyJoe]

It'd be nice to see Hester turn into something other than a deep ball threat. Personally though, I'm looking for Greg Olsen to have the biggest improvement over last year. Cutler threw to his tight ends something like 30% of the time last year in Denver, and I've read in a few places that he and Olsen have really clicked so far in training camp.

[Monster]

Your troll was working until you brought Grossman into it.

[MikeyJoe]

His career record as a starter is 21-12, btw. Cutler is 17-20.


http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2008/writers/don_banks/12/19/one-seeds/trent-dilfer.jpg
That's what I was thinking. 11 of those wins came in a season where he had a QB rating of 59, with 13 interceptions to 9 touchdowns.

[newsbreaker]

It'd be nice to see Hester turn into something other than a deep ball threat. Personally though, I'm looking for Greg Olsen to have the biggest improvement over last year. Cutler threw to his tight ends something like 30% of the time last year in Denver, and I've read in a few places that he and Olsen have really clicked so far in training camp.

They say he's gone from being able to run 10 routes to being able to run 110+, with precision, displaying better hands.

If he can be a real threat, that will open a lot of things up.

I agree about Olson (who is the starter now), I expect a lot out of him.

FYI - For those in Eastern Iowa. Bears @ Bills on KFXA tonight.

[Monster]

Dilfer only started 8 games that season.

[Debit One]

Dilfer only started 8 games that season.

What's the point that I'm making, Monster?

What's the point?

[Debit One]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_j5KvkqGG994/Sgj8onq8mVI/AAAAAAAAAQ8/Z26h1bYn0Lk/s320/chandler.jpg

[MikeyJoe]

If he can be a real threat, that will open a lot of things up.
Agreed. Last year, you saw teams not respect him as a legitimate #1 WR. Even on the deep ball where he could get open, odds are that the ball wasn't going to be thrown well enough to connect most of the time. If he can truly draw coverage respect, that should open up the middle quite a bit for Olsen and give Forte some running room.

But the Bears' season this year is going to hinge on the defense IMO. I have no doubt the offense will be improved, but they've been in decline for a few years now and not living up to the hype. I still think the Vikings are the best bet to win the division, but they've got some pretty big questions at QB. If the Bears get good play out of their defense, they could be the team to beat in the NFC north.

[Monster]

Dilfer only started 8 games that season.

What's the point that I'm making, Monster?

What's the point?

I know what point you were making. I was actually pwning Mikey for his stats.

[MikeyJoe]

Dilfer only started 8 games that season.

What's the point that I'm making, Monster?

What's the point?

I know what point you were making. I was actually pwning Mikey for his stats.
Yeah, you're going to have to explain that one for me.

[Debit One]

Dilfer only started 8 games that season.

What's the point that I'm making, Monster?

What's the point?

I know what point you were making. I was actually pwning Mikey for his stats.

Fair enough. Pwn away. In fact, I encourage pwning of Mikey.

I just chuckle at the "wins are what matters" argument for evaluating players, which ignores supporting casts. Is Derek Fisher a great PG? Well, he has a buttload of wins, so he must be one.

[Monster]

What's the point that I'm making, Monster?

What's the point?

I know what point you were making. I was actually pwning Mikey for his stats.
Yeah, you're going to have to explain that one for me.

I'm not sure where you got your stats, but Dilfer only started 8 games that year, played in 10, and had a rating of 76.6. No biggie, I get the point. But my original point about Orton's record as a starter is a bit different than Dilfer's situation. Baltimore had what many experts have called the greatest defense ever that season. Kyle directed a bad Bears team to a 9-7 record last season. I realize that the supporting cast makes most of the difference, the QB is the most pivotal piece to the equation.

[Match34]

Orton will be out of the league in 2 years.

[Monster]

Orton will be out of the league in 2 years.

Oh, I would definitely put money on that one. Orton will play another 5-6 years.

[roseboundhawk]

If being "a real swell kid back when he was in school" was worth 20 points of QB rating, Orton would be a serviceble NFL qb.

[Monster]

If being "a real swell kid back when he was in school" was worth 20 points of QB rating, Orton would be a serviceble NFL qb.

Not really. He wasn't that swell.


BTW, I'm looking forward to the end of the season to find out if Cutler is indeed the QB you think he is.

[roseboundhawk]

i think the bears recievers made orton look better than he really was.

[Monster]

i think the bears recievers made orton look better than he really was.


Ok, now you're just being silly.

[roseboundhawk]

yeah, that one was a troll. i don't know what i was thinking.

[MikeyJoe]

BTW, I'm looking forward to the end of the season to find out if Cutler is indeed the QB you think he is.
My predictions:

1) Cutler will not have the season he had last year in Denver. Bears WRs < Broncos WRs

2) Even with the Broncos WRs, Kyle Orton will not have the season that Jay Cutler had in Denver last year.

[Monster]

But will Cutler have the season Orton had last year? ;)

[Edgecrusher7711]

BTW, I'm looking forward to the end of the season to find out if Cutler is indeed the QB you think he is.
My predictions:

1) Cutler will not have the season he had last year in Denver. Bears WRs < Broncos WRs

2) Even with the Broncos WRs, Kyle Orton will not have the season that Jay Cutler had in Denver last year.

Whoa,whoa step back from that limb there. That's just f'n crazy.


;)


I don't think anybody really thinks Orton is > than Cutler. Just the difference between the two may not be as big as some think. It's hard to really know since they're coming from very different circumstances.

[Costanza]

Here is where both Cutler and Orton will be watching this years NFL playoffs this year.


http://allthingschill.com/img/macys_couch_450.jpg



Note: This is the same place Cutler has watched every NFL Playoff game since coming into the league and every bowl game while in college.

[HawkLax6]

Apparently they use extra wide balls in Denver. Not good with Orton's hands......

[bigazzturkeylegs]

Cutler with the 30.8 passer rating against the Bills. Look out NFC North!

[Jimmie Dimmick]

Here is where both Cutler and Orton will be watching this years NFL playoffs this year.


http://allthingschill.com/img/macys_couch_450.jpg



Note: This is the same place Cutler has watched every NFL Playoff game since coming into the league and every bowl game while in college.

Your couch is missing some Raiders players.

[newsbreaker]

Cutler with the 30.8 passer rating against the Bills. Look out NFC North!

Which is dumber...making predictions based upon the first start of spring training, or based upon 1 quarter of the first game of the NFL pre-season?

[bigazzturkeylegs]

Cutler with the 30.8 passer rating against the Bills. Look out NFC North!

Which is dumber...making predictions based upon the first start of spring training, or based upon 1 quarter of the first game of the NFL pre-season?
See: First post of this thread

[newsbreaker]

Couldn't be based on one game, plus the entirety of his career, could it?

[bigazzturkeylegs]

Couldn't be based on one game, plus the entirety of his career, could it?
Of course. Cutler's illustrious career must've slipped my mind.

[HawkLax6]

Spring training?

[Jimmie Dimmick]

Bears fans and Broncos fans fighting over 2 'has beens/never were'. Sad.

[MikeyJoe]

Chicago sports radio callers on Monday morning will be calling for Hanie to start.

[Costanza]

Chicago sports radio callers on Monday morning will be calling for Hanie to start.

Or Ditka

http://zembla.cementhorizon.com/archives/swerski.jpg

[ISUFan98]

Wow. Maybe drafting Brandon Marshall yesterday was a really bad move for me.

[Costanza]

Wow. Maybe drafting Brandon Marshall yesterday was a really bad move for me.

He could always put on the other teams jersey every week.

[newsbreaker]

Couldn't be based on one game, plus the entirety of his career, could it?
Of course. Cutler's illustrious career must've slipped my mind.

You've convinced me. Everyone in this thread is a moron.

[Pinehawk]

Orton sucks. Cutler is over-rated. The Broncos messed up big firing Shanahan, everyone knows that. Cutler forced the Broncos into a bad trade with his childish behavior and that's where we are today.
Cutler is young, already has health problems, rumored nightlife issues, a proven ego problem and... a big arm. Good luck.
Orton won't be Denver's QB next season.

For everyone who wants to point out he went to the pro-bowl (since that's his only real accomplishment), the Broncos sent Brian Griese and Jake Plummer to the Pro-bowl as well. Some nice company there.

I will cheer for every Cutler interception and red zone turnover (he's pretty good at those) for the damage he did to the Broncos organization. Bears fans are in for a long on again-off again, Alford type relationship with Cutler I think. He'll do just enough to stick around without ever amounting to anything.

[Costanza]

Here is where both Cutler and Orton will be watching this years NFL playoffs this year.


http://allthingschill.com/img/macys_couch_450.jpg



Note: This is the same place Cutler has watched every NFL Playoff game since coming into the league and every bowl game while in college.


And my favorite prediction of the year.