SI NFC Championship Game Prediction

[atemp]

Bears v. Packers

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/09/01/main/index.html?bcnn=yes

[Verbal]

Round 1 is next Sunday night. Looking forward to it.

[roseboundhawk]

damn.

[newsbreaker]

If the Bears beat the Vikings and the Packers en route to the Superbowl, I'd be the happiest man alive.

The very thought of a Bears Packers playoff game is more than I can comprehend. The thought of it being an NFC Championship game could just about reduce me to a completely unproductive state. If the game actually happened, look the fuck out.

[ISUFan98]

damn.

The season's over before it even gets started.

[ISUFan98]

If the Bears beat the Vikings and the Packers en route to the Superbowl, I'd be the happiest man alive.

The very thought of a Bears Packers playoff game is more than I can comprehend. The thought of it being an NFC Championship game could just about reduce me to a completely unproductive state. If the game actually happened, look the fuck out.

They'd need to call out the National Guard to quell the mayhem.

[roseboundhawk]

If the Bears beat the Vikings and the Packers en route to the Superbowl, I'd be the happiest man alive.

The very thought of a Bears Packers playoff game is more than I can comprehend. The thought of it being an NFC Championship game could just about reduce me to a completely unproductive state. If the game actually happened, look the fuck out.

seriously.


Pretty sure the Bears have never played the Packers or Vikings in the playoffs, ever.

[atemp]

If the Bears beat the Vikings and the Packers en route to the Superbowl, I'd be the happiest man alive.

The very thought of a Bears Packers playoff game is more than I can comprehend. The thought of it being an NFC Championship game could just about reduce me to a completely unproductive state. If the game actually happened, look the fuck out.

seriously.


Pretty sure the Bears have never played the Packers or Vikings in the playoffs, ever.

Not the Packers, but they have played the Vikings...in the 90's sometime

[ISUFan98]

It's rare to get more than one team out of the Central/North division; usually it seems the NFC East would get the WC teams in.

[Verbal]

If the Bears beat the Vikings and the Packers en route to the Superbowl, I'd be the happiest man alive.

The very thought of a Bears Packers playoff game is more than I can comprehend. The thought of it being an NFC Championship game could just about reduce me to a completely unproductive state. If the game actually happened, look the fuck out.

seriously.


Pretty sure the Bears have never played the Packers or Vikings in the playoffs, ever.

Not the Packers, but they have played the Vikings...in the 90's sometime

January 1, 1995
Chicago 35, Minnesota 18

[Dolomitey]

It's rare to get more than one team out of the Central/North division; usually it seems the NFC East would get the WC teams in.

The Packers/Vikes/Bears have really easy schedules. Not only do they all play the Lions twice but they seem to all have games against the Rams/49ers/Browns/Bengals/Seahawks.

Packers:

Good oppoenents: Steelers, Cardinals, Ravens, Cowboys
Mediocre to bad: Bucs, Browns, Bengals, Seahawks, Rams, Niners

That's a weak schedule and one that is shared (to a certain extent) by the Bears and Vikes.

[boneshawk]

seriously.


Pretty sure the Bears have never played the Packers or Vikings in the playoffs, ever.

Not the Packers, but they have played the Vikings...in the 90's sometime

January 1, 1995
Chicago 35, Minnesota 18

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[RecreationalGynecologist]

The Vikings could beat most teams in the NFL

They went 10-6 last year and they had QB issues all season and had 6 pro bowlers
They beat the Giants in 2007 when the Giants were on their way to a Super Bowl season.

Easily have the best DL in the NFL

Pro Bowl RB-Check
Pro Bowl DT-Check
Pro Bowl DT-Check
Pro Bowl DE-Check
Pro Bowl CB-Check
Pro Bowl OG-Check

Vikings will win NFC North once again. Packers and Bears will fight it out with the Bears edging out the Packers for 2nd place.

[ivan_drago]

The Vikings could beat most teams in the NFL

They went 10-6 last year and they had QB issues all season and had 6 pro bowlers
They beat the Giants in 2007 when the Giants were on their way to a Super Bowl season.

Easily have the best DL in the NFL

Pro Bowl RB-Check
Pro Bowl DT-Check
Pro Bowl DT-Check
Pro Bowl DE-Check
Pro Bowl CB-Check
Pro Bowl OG-Check

Vikings will win NFC North once again. Packers and Bears will fight it out with the Bears edging out the Packers for 2nd place.

Shh. Logic is not appreciated here.

[Dolomitey]

The Vikings could beat most teams in the NFL

They went 10-6 last year and they had QB issues all season and had 6 pro bowlers
They beat the Giants in 2007 when the Giants were on their way to a Super Bowl season.

Easily have the best DL in the NFL

Pro Bowl RB-Check
Pro Bowl DT-Check
Pro Bowl DT-Check
Pro Bowl DE-Check
Pro Bowl CB-Check
Pro Bowl OG-Check

Vikings will win NFC North once again. Packers and Bears will fight it out with the Bears edging out the Packers for 2nd place.

The Bears will lose a game to the Lions

[Monster]

This is as excited I've been for an NFL season in about 10 years. The Pack will be good. Great QB, decent running attack, very good receivers, and the defense is coming around.

[PlannedSickDays]

yeah! Go Bears!

[atemp]

This is as excited I've been for an NFL season in about 10 years. The Pack will be good. Great QB, decent running attack, very good receivers, and the defense is coming around.

Jermichael Finley.

[Thagoods]

I see a Green Bay vs. Philly NFC Championship game.

[Monster]

This is as excited I've been for an NFL season in about 10 years. The Pack will be good. Great QB, decent running attack, very good receivers, and the defense is coming around.

Jermichael Finley.

This guy is going to be outstanding.

[RecreationalGynecologist]

This is as excited I've been for an NFL season in about 10 years. The Pack will be good. Great QB, decent running attack, very good receivers, and the defense is coming around.

Great QB? They went 6-10 last season and as we all know, defense wins championships

[Monster]

This is as excited I've been for an NFL season in about 10 years. The Pack will be good. Great QB, decent running attack, very good receivers, and the defense is coming around.

Great QB? They went 6-10 last season and as we all know, defense wins championships

I suppose if you are looking at Rodgers as it relates to the history of the NFL, then no, not great. But as Rodgers compares with current NFL quarterbacks, I'd say yes, he ranks as one of the great ones right now.

[RecreationalGynecologist]

A bit of hyperbole dont you think?

I'm guessing we have different definitions of "great."

[Monster]

A bit of hyperbole dont you think?

I'm guessing we have different definitions of "great."

Would you rank him in your top 10 of current QB's? Top 5?

I think top 5 out of 32 starting QB's put him on the great level. How many more seasons like 2008 must he have before you'd say he's pretty damn great?

[boneshawk]

I'll get banned for outing hawkness monster, but it will be worth it.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_dITbjr_Wdlc/SJsFVuTrQnI/AAAAAAAAAXY/R8JHSUk_uXs/s400/PackerFan.jpg

[RecreationalGynecologist]

Great QBs=Dan Marino, Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Dan Fouts, Brett Favre, Steve Young etc etc

Damn Good QBs=Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb, Ben Roethelisberger, Kurt Warner, Boomer Esiason, Phil Simms etc etc

You get my drift..

The Packers IMO need a serious talent upgrade at a couple positions before they can consider themselves the front runner for the NFC Central title. Who besides Packer fans on this board really think they're contenders right now? No one on NFL network seems to think so, but then again, there is a reason why we play the games.

[Monster]

Ummm, these guys?

Bears v. Packers

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/09/01/main/index.html?bcnn=yes

Great QBs=Dan Marino, Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Dan Fouts, Brett Favre, Steve Young etc etc

Damn Good QBs=Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb, Ben Roethelisberger, Kurt Warner, Boomer Esiason, Phil Simms etc etc

You get my drift..

The Packers IMO need a serious talent upgrade at a couple positions before they can consider themselves the front runner for the NFC Central title. Who besides Packer fans on this board really think they're contenders right now? No one on NFL network seems to think so, but then again, there is a reason why we play the games.

[RecreationalGynecologist]

These guys have the Bears winning and the Vikes/Packers tied 3 games back

[Monster]

These guys have the Bears winning and the Vikes/Packers tied 3 games back

Bears 11-5
Vikings 10-6
Packers 10-6

That's 3 games back?

10-6 is one game back, and I would call that predicting them as "contenders".

[newsbreaker]

These guys have the Bears winning and the Vikes/Packers tied 3 games back

They have the Vikes and Pack tied for second one game back.

11-5 is one better than 10-6. See how that works.

[SL]

My boy and fellow Pack fan Monster is taking ol' RecGyno deep into the pwnage shed in this thread.

[RecreationalGynecologist]

These guys have the Bears winning and the Vikes/Packers tied 3 games back

Bears 11-5
Vikings 10-6
Packers 10-6

That's 3 games back?

10-6 is one game back, and I would call that predicting them as "contenders".

Whoops..one

I still think the Vikings go 4-0 vs Chicago and Green Bay

[Verbal]

I probably wouldn't put Rodgers in the Top 5, but he's right there and could move into it this year. Top 7 or 8 for sure, based on what I've seen to date.

Peyton Manning, Brady, Rivers, Brees and Warner would probably be my top 5, in no particular order. The next tier is Cutler, Rodgers, McNabb, Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, and Romo, in no particular order. Cassel and Ryan could make a big leap this year too by showing they can keep it going.

[Edgecrusher7711]

These guys have the Bears winning and the Vikes/Packers tied 3 games back

Bears 11-5
Vikings 10-6
Packers 10-6

That's 3 games back?

10-6 is one game back, and I would call that predicting them as "contenders".

Whoops..one

I still think the Vikings go 4-0 vs Chicago and Green Bay

Dude I'm a Vikes fan I don't even think that. Teams are too close for anyone of them to run the the table. Especially since all of them have pretty glaring weaknesses.

[boneshawk]

Dude I'm a Vikes fan I don't even think that. Teams are too close for anyone of them to run the the table. Especially since all of them have pretty glaring weaknesses.

+1

[Edgecrusher7711]

I probably wouldn't put Rodgers in the Top 5, but he's right there and could move into it this year. Top 7 or 8 for sure, based on what I've seen to date.

Peyton Manning, Brady, Rivers, Brees and Warner would probably be my top 5, in no particular order. The next tier is Cutler, Rodgers, McNabb, Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, and Romo, in no particular order. Cassel and Ryan could make a big leap this year too by showing they can keep it going.

I would agree with your top 5. Not sure I put Cutler or Eli in the next tier though. Neither have had a QB Rating over 87 in their careers. Maybe they make the leap this year but I'm not sold on that either.

[RecreationalGynecologist]

My boy and fellow Pack fan Monster is taking ol' RecGyno deep into the pwnage shed in this thread.

Whats to pwn? Facts are facts..The Packers won 6 games last year. The Vikings won the NFC North...again last season and upgraded their QB situation and have the best DL in the NFL with a better secondary than any of the other NFC north contenders. The LBs will be upgraded as well.

As for offense, the Bears have Cutler, who really has yet to prove himself.
The Packers have Rodgers, who had a pretty good year last year, but still does not have the weapons that Favre/Jackson has..nor the OL

I predict the Vikings win 12 games this season

Bears are 10-6 or 6-10 (brutal early schedule)
Packers are 9-7 or 7-9 Depending on how defense shakes out

I can see the Bears losing to the Packers, Steelers, Seahawks and Falcons early on.

They have a tough road slate with games on the road vs Green Bay, Minnesota, Atlanta, Seattle, Cincy and Baltimore all capable of beating the Bears.

[newsbreaker]

My boy and fellow Pack fan Monster is taking ol' RecGyno deep into the pwnage shed in this thread.

Whats to pwn? Facts are facts..The Packers won 6 games last year. The Vikings won the NFC North...again last season and upgraded their QB situation and have the best DL in the NFL with a better secondary than any of the other NFC north contenders. The LBs will be upgraded as well.

As for offense, the Bears have Cutler, who really has yet to prove himself.
The Packers have Rodgers, who had a pretty good year last year, but still does not have the weapons that Favre/Jackson has..nor the OL

I predict the Vikings win 12 games this season

Bears are 10-6 or 6-10 (brutal early schedule)
Packers are 9-7 or 7-9 Depending on how defense shakes out

I can see the Bears losing to the Packers, Steelers, Seahawks and Falcons early on.

They have a tough road slate with games on the road vs Green Bay, Minnesota, Atlanta, Seattle, Cincy and Baltimore all capable of beating the Bears.

There is a reason that seasons aren't played on paper.

[Edgecrusher7711]

My boy and fellow Pack fan Monster is taking ol' RecGyno deep into the pwnage shed in this thread.

Whats to pwn? Facts are facts..The Packers won 6 games last year. The Vikings won the NFC North...again last season and upgraded their QB situation and have the best DL in the NFL with a better secondary than any of the other NFC north contenders. The LBs will be upgraded as well.

As for offense, the Bears have Cutler, who really has yet to prove himself.
The Packers have Rodgers, who had a pretty good year last year, but still does not have the weapons that Favre/Jackson has..nor the OL

I predict the Vikings win 12 games this season

Bears are 10-6 or 6-10 (brutal early schedule)
Packers are 9-7 or 7-9 Depending on how defense shakes out

I can see the Bears losing to the Packers, Steelers, Seahawks and Falcons early on.

They have a tough road slate with games on the road vs Green Bay, Minnesota, Atlanta, Seattle, Cincy and Baltimore all capable of beating the Bears.

I agree with a good chunk of that but the Pack do have some decent weapons. Jennings is better WR than the Bears or Vikes have and Grant is a pretty decent back.

[RecreationalGynecologist]

Grant is no Adrian Peterson

The Vikings have Berrian and Rice both healthy this season and an emerging TE corps themselves.

The Vikings have two RBs better than Grant in Chester Taylor and Adrian Peterson

Defense wins championships and the Bears and Packers struggle at both. The Bears have fallen mightily defensively..A shame because Urlacher would be much more effective if the DTs could keep the OL off him.

Rodgers needs to stay healthy for GB to have a chance at a playoff season. If he gets hurt, they're in trouble

[RecreationalGynecologist]

Who is the backup QB in Chicago?

[HawkLax6]

Pretty sure the Bears have never played the Packers or Vikings in the playoffs, ever.

The Bears beat the Packers, 33-14, in the 1941 Playoffs.

[atemp]

Vikings are the team to beat in my opinion, they seem to be steady all around with the exception of that awful punt coverage/kick coverage unit.

Bears: Good Special Teams, Decent/Average Offense...people around here seem pretty concerned about their defense. Urlacher getting old and slower, Tommie Harris about 80%, and Secondary has injuries as well.

Packers: Good Special Teams (maybe with the exception of unproven punter), Very Good Offense, and question marks on defense.....one big one is that AJ Hawk sucks ass.

[Monster]

My boy and fellow Pack fan Monster is taking ol' RecGyno deep into the pwnage shed in this thread.

Whats to pwn? Facts are facts..The Packers won 6 games last year. The Vikings won the NFC North...again last season and upgraded their QB situation and have the best DL in the NFL with a better secondary than any of the other NFC north contenders. The LBs will be upgraded as well.

As for offense, the Bears have Cutler, who really has yet to prove himself.
The Packers have Rodgers, who had a pretty good year last year, but still does not have the weapons that Favre/Jackson has..nor the OL

I predict the Vikings win 12 games this season

Bears are 10-6 or 6-10 (brutal early schedule)
Packers are 9-7 or 7-9 Depending on how defense shakes out

I can see the Bears losing to the Packers, Steelers, Seahawks and Falcons early on.

They have a tough road slate with games on the road vs Green Bay, Minnesota, Atlanta, Seattle, Cincy and Baltimore all capable of beating the Bears.

I'd put the Packers secondary (3 Pro Bowlers) up against any team in the North (or the NFL). Green Bay's receivers are a shit ton better than any team in the North. The o-line in Green Bay is one of the youngest in the league and improving. With the exception of AP, the Vikings "weapons" are pretty average.

And make no mistake. You got a major-league pwning.

[RecreationalGynecologist]

Aaron Kampman is probably not 100% effective as a 3-4 OLB, but we'll see. It worked for Bryce Paup, but Kampman is a much bigger guy than Paup or Vrabel were.

[RecreationalGynecologist]

The Vikings have 4 pro bowlers on defense. Three on the DL and one in the secondary in Antoine Winfield.

You still have to stop the run to win football games. You know this Monsta

Al Harris and Charles Woodson are nearing the end of their careers. I predict Harris retires after this season.

[Monster]

Aaron Kampman is probably not 100% effective as a 3-4 OLB, but we'll see. It worked for Bryce Paup, but Kampman is a much bigger guy than Paup or Vrabel were.

Paup 6-5, 250
Vrabel 6-4, 261
Kampman 6-4, 260


Damn.

[Monster]

The Vikings have 4 pro bowlers on defense. Three on the DL and one in the secondary in Antoine Winfield.

You still have to stop the run to win football games. You know this Monsta

Al Harris and Charles Woodson are nearing the end of their careers. I predict Harris retires after this season.

None of that disputes my point.

[RecreationalGynecologist]

Kampman was 280 a year or two ago and he's not that great in space. He's much better with his hand on the ground IMO

[RecreationalGynecologist]

The Vikings have 4 pro bowlers on defense. Three on the DL and one in the secondary in Antoine Winfield.

You still have to stop the run to win football games. You know this Monsta

Al Harris and Charles Woodson are nearing the end of their careers. I predict Harris retires after this season.

None of that disputes my point.

I'm saying that Harris and Woodson are overrated, not Collins..He's a player..I remember him running an INT back for a TD last year against Minnesota.

As for Chicago, they piss me off..My favorite team growing up..Too bad they cannot draft new ownership and management.

[Costanza]

I cannot wait for this season to start. Especially with the diversity in support for the different NFC North teams, who's fans all seem to think they are going to win the division.

My prediction...everyone is wrong!

RecGyn...well, numerous spots, but no way in hell do the Vikings sweep the Packers and Bears. The #4 Kool Aide must taste better in your house than it does in mine.

Monster...Let's not annoint Aaron Rodgers yet. A "great" QB would not have found a way to lose all 7 games that were decided in the 4th quarter last year.

Boneshawk...The Super Bowl shuffle was in 1985, not 1995.

SI Prediction...Jay Cutler has never seen a postseason game from behind the center, I doubt he goes on to win the first couple he is in.

Verbal...Warner is not a Top 5 QB. He wasnt even the top QB on his team at this time last year (well a week ago last year)...or the year before...or the year before that.



Actually someone was right in this thread....newsbreaker:

There is a reason that seasons aren't played on paper.

[ThadHawk]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again... I'm more concerned with GB than Chicago this season. If GB can figure out how to stop the run, they'll be very good.

Now that I've said this, I'm sure the Bears will go 16-0.

[RecreationalGynecologist]

The Vikings were 3-1 against the Vikings and Bears last season and should have been 4-0 vs them..They were a TD from doing so. I think a couple special teams miscues turned the tide of the game to the Bears. The Vikings on paper are a much better team than the other two, but yes, there is a reason for playing the games

[Verbal]

Verbal...Warner is not a Top 5 QB. He wasnt even the top QB on his team at this time last year (well a week ago last year)...or the year before...or the year before that.

He was easily a top 5 QB last year, and I see no reason to believe that, given his supporting cast, he won't perform similarly this year.

[RecreationalGynecologist]

He was not considered top 5 due to his advanced age (by NFL standards) and supposedly poor surrounding cast

[blacklespaul]

I will be the first to say it here: The Bears will not make the playoffs this year.

[Costanza]

I will be the first to say it here: The Bears will not make the playoffs this year.

Agreed.

[Monster]

I cannot wait for this season to start. Especially with the diversity in support for the different NFC North teams, who's fans all seem to think they are going to win the division.

My prediction...everyone is wrong!

RecGyn...well, numerous spots, but no way in hell do the Vikings sweep the Packers and Bears. The #4 Kool Aide must taste better in your house than it does in mine.

Monster...Let's not annoint Aaron Rodgers yet. A "great" QB would not have found a way to lose all 7 games that were decided in the 4th quarter last year.








You can't pin all of those on Rodgers. He had an 87.8 passer rating in the 4th quarter - a bit lower than his season rating of nearly 94 - but an argument could be made that they wouldn't even be in those games to begin with without his performance throughout the game. Most impressive stats? Red zone - 19 tds, no ints, rating of nearly 107. That's sick.

[newsbreaker]

I will be the first to say it here: The Bears will not make the playoffs this year.

You're not the first to say this. Many people don't think the Bears are a playoff team.

[RecreationalGynecologist]

If the Bears fail to make the playoffs, I'm predicting another cheap coaching hire and another draft filled with non-difference makers.

[RecreationalGynecologist]

I cannot wait for this season to start. Especially with the diversity in support for the different NFC North teams, who's fans all seem to think they are going to win the division.

My prediction...everyone is wrong!

RecGyn...well, numerous spots, but no way in hell do the Vikings sweep the Packers and Bears. The #4 Kool Aide must taste better in your house than it does in mine.

Monster...Let's not annoint Aaron Rodgers yet. A "great" QB would not have found a way to lose all 7 games that were decided in the 4th quarter last year.








You can't pin all of those on Rodgers. He had an 87.8 passer rating in the 4th quarter - a bit lower than his season rating of nearly 94 - but an argument could be made that they wouldn't even be in those games to begin with without his performance throughout the game. Most impressive stats? Red zone - 19 tds, no ints, rating of nearly 107. That's sick.

So you're saying that he really does not have a good supporting cast?

[Monster]

The Vikings were 3-1 against the Vikings and Bears last season and should have been 4-0 vs them..They were a TD from doing so. I think a couple special teams miscues turned the tide of the game to the Bears. The Vikings on paper are a much better team than the other two, but yes, there is a reason for playing the games


And one of those wins should have been a loss at home to the Packers. We can do this all day.

[Monster]

I cannot wait for this season to start. Especially with the diversity in support for the different NFC North teams, who's fans all seem to think they are going to win the division.

My prediction...everyone is wrong!

RecGyn...well, numerous spots, but no way in hell do the Vikings sweep the Packers and Bears. The #4 Kool Aide must taste better in your house than it does in mine.

Monster...Let's not annoint Aaron Rodgers yet. A "great" QB would not have found a way to lose all 7 games that were decided in the 4th quarter last year.








You can't pin all of those on Rodgers. He had an 87.8 passer rating in the 4th quarter - a bit lower than his season rating of nearly 94 - but an argument could be made that they wouldn't even be in those games to begin with without his performance throughout the game. Most impressive stats? Red zone - 19 tds, no ints, rating of nearly 107. That's sick.

So you're saying that he really does not have a good supporting cast?

Yeah, the defense front 7 was terrible last year. I don't think you'll find anything on this board written byme to dispute that.

Are you really saying that Jennings, Driver, Lee, Grant, etc. aren't good?

[RecreationalGynecologist]

Why a loss at home? The Vikings dominated the game for the most part w/the exception of Gus Ferrotte.

[RecreationalGynecologist]

You can't pin all of those on Rodgers. He had an 87.8 passer rating in the 4th quarter - a bit lower than his season rating of nearly 94 - but an argument could be made that they wouldn't even be in those games to begin with without his performance throughout the game. Most impressive stats? Red zone - 19 tds, no ints, rating of nearly 107. That's sick.

So you're saying that he really does not have a good supporting cast?

Yeah, the defense front 7 was terrible last year. I don't think you'll find anything on this board written byme to dispute that.

Are you really saying that Jennings, Driver, Lee, Grant, etc. aren't good?

Are they good enough to off-set a poor defense? Donald Driver is a 35 yr old WR

[Monster]

Why a loss at home? The Vikings dominated the game for the most part w/the exception of Gus Ferrotte.

Because they were losing in the 4th quarter until an AP run put them ahead? Because Crosby missed a game winning FG at the end? Because it was ultimately a 1-point win?

[Costanza]

So you're saying that he really does not have a good supporting cast?

Yeah, the defense front 7 was terrible last year. I don't think you'll find anything on this board written byme to dispute that.

Are you really saying that Jennings, Driver, Lee, Grant, etc. aren't good?

Are they good enough to off-set a poor defense? Donald Driver is a 35 yr old WR

Last year's defense was below average, not poor. This year, believe it or not, is not last year.

[RecreationalGynecologist]

The Vikings still dominated the game and in Crosby's defense, that FG was 50+ yards.

The Packers capitalized on Ferrotte's miscues, but the Vikings moved the ball up and down the field all day

[Monster]

The Vikings still dominated the game and in Crosby's defense, that FG was 50+ yards.

The Packers capitalized on Ferrotte's miscues, but the Vikings moved the ball up and down the field all day

I was at that game. The clock was managed extremely poorly. No matter how each team scored, the fact is Green Bay led in the 4th, and the Vikes were lucky to win.

[RecreationalGynecologist]

They did win like they should have :)

[ThadHawk]

The Vikings still dominated the game and in Crosby's defense, that FG was 50+ yards.

The Packers capitalized on Ferrotte's miscues, but the Vikings moved the ball up and down the field all day

I was at that game. The clock was managed extremely poorly. No matter how each team scored, the fact is Green Bay led in the 4th, and the Vikes were lucky to win.

I was at the game too, and was pissed because the Vikings dominated the game and won by 1 point. Just because they were down in the 4th quarter doesn't mean they should've lost.

[funnelcake]

could you list the Green bay receivers that are a shit ton better than Berrian, Shaincoe, Rice and Harvin

Jennings? Driver?

[Dolomitey]

So you're saying that he really does not have a good supporting cast?

Yeah, the defense front 7 was terrible last year. I don't think you'll find anything on this board written byme to dispute that.

Are you really saying that Jennings, Driver, Lee, Grant, etc. aren't good?

Are they good enough to off-set a poor defense? Donald Driver is a 35 yr old WR

Driver/Jennings/Jones/Nelson/ hell even Ruvell is solid after be Rodgers main guy on 2nd team offense for a couple years. He throws to all of them (although Nelson took some snaps from Ruvell last years). And Rodgers forced the ball to Finley (very athletic tight end from Texas that came out after one good sophmore year. he's an idiot, but the rest of the corps are all solid guys) last year so now that Finley isn't lost all the time, he will see a lot more balls.

It's a really good receiving corp. By far the best of the three teams discussed. Favre might make Rice and Shiancoe into weapons, but Harvin and Berrian are gonna take some hits.

[Dolomitey]

could you list the Green bay receivers that are a shit ton better than Berrian, Shaincoe, Rice and Harvin

Jennings? Driver?

those two are shit tons better. Then Berrian (although i'll always take Jones and Nelson and their matchups over Berrian against a #1 corner ). Rice will improve b/c Favre likes big bodied receivers. I like the Packers in every wr matchup as compared to the Vikes (I prefer Shiancoe to Lee) .

[Edgecrusher7711]

could you list the Green bay receivers that are a shit ton better than Berrian, Shaincoe, Rice and Harvin

Jennings? Driver?

those two are shit tons better. Then Berrian (although i'll always take Jones and Nelson and their matchups over Berrian against a #1 corner ). Rice will improve b/c Favre likes big bodied receivers. I like the Packers in every wr matchup as compared to the Vikes (I prefer Shiancoe to Lee) .

They're better but I don't know about shit ton.

[Dolomitey]

could you list the Green bay receivers that are a shit ton better than Berrian, Shaincoe, Rice and Harvin

Jennings? Driver?

those two are shit tons better. Then Berrian (although i'll always take Jones and Nelson and their matchups over Berrian against a #1 corner ). Rice will improve b/c Favre likes big bodied receivers. I like the Packers in every wr matchup as compared to the Vikes (I prefer Shiancoe to Lee) .

They're better but I don't know about shit ton.

Jennings has already accomplished more in his 3 year career (he played with a high ankle sprain as a rookie) than Berrian has in his entire career. Berrian caught 74(?) balls once. That was the only year he caught more than 50 balls and has never had 1000 yards. Driver had one down year 5-6 years ago with 54 catchers and ~750 yards. The rest of the time he's 75-95 catches and over 1000 yards. Berrian has done nothing to prove he's a #1 receiver other than cash a big check after Grossman made him legitimate for a year.

[Edgecrusher7711]

those two are shit tons better. Then Berrian (although i'll always take Jones and Nelson and their matchups over Berrian against a #1 corner ). Rice will improve b/c Favre likes big bodied receivers. I like the Packers in every wr matchup as compared to the Vikes (I prefer Shiancoe to Lee) .

They're better but I don't know about shit ton.

Jennings has already accomplished more in his 3 year career (he played with a high ankle sprain as a rookie) than Berrian has in his entire career. Berrian caught 74(?) balls once. That was the only year he caught more than 50 balls and has never had 1000 yards. Driver had one down year 5-6 years ago with 54 catchers and ~750 yards. The rest of the time he's 75-95 catches and over 1000 yards. Berrian has done nothing to prove he's a #1 receiver other than cash a big check after Grossman made him legitimate for a year.

Yeah, although it's hard to base off numbers (unlike baseball) when a receivers stats are completely affected by offensive style and QB play. If you have the best rushing offense in the league and crappy QBs you may not put up the numbers of your peers.

Either way 1.5 weeks to go and it's put up or shut up time.

[ThadHawk]

Since we're at the halfway point, I thought I'd bump this thread. Always interesting to go back and read people's predictions.

[ISUFan98]

Since we're at the halfway point, I thought I'd bump this thread. Always interesting to go back and read people's predictions.

SI could not have been more wrong. GB is average (at best) and the Bears are flat-out terrible.

[newsbreaker]

Lovie doesn't know what's wrong with the defense, but he's confident they can fix it by Thursday night.

[ISUFan98]

Lovie doesn't know what's wrong with the defense, but he's confident they can fix it by Thursday night.

Good thing he's calling the plays for the defense then.

[tjohnstone3]

Since we're at the halfway point, I thought I'd bump this thread. Always interesting to go back and read people's predictions.

Translation - It's always fun to rub it in when the Vikings are 7-1 and the Bears/Packers are 4-4...

[newsbreaker]

I wonder if he called the "Tommie Harris punch someone to the face and get ejected so that the defense can make a bad running attack look unstoppable" play.

The Bears are a bunch of jerks and I'm mad at them.

[SL]

As a Packer fan, I hope the Vikings make it to the Super Bowl. I really do. Represent the NFC North, Vikes.




And then Favre's arm falls off right before the first snap.

[ISUFan98]

I wonder if he called the "Tommie Harris punch someone to the face and get ejected so that the defense can make a bad running attack look unstoppable" play.

The Bears are a bunch of jerks and I'm mad at them.

You could just see the rage in Lovie's face after the game.

Actually, I think that was just some indigestion.

[ThadHawk]

Since we're at the halfway point, I thought I'd bump this thread. Always interesting to go back and read people's predictions.

Translation - It's always fun to rub it in when the Vikings are 7-1 and the Bears/Packers are 4-4...

Well, duh.

[ThadHawk]

As a Packer fan, I hope the Vikings make it to the Super Bowl. I really do. Represent the NFC North, Vikes.




And then Favre's arm falls off right before the first snap.

He'd just reattach it and throw for 400 yards. That, or throw left handed for the entire game.

[FMHoosier]

Since we're at the halfway point, I thought I'd bump this thread. Always interesting to go back and read people's predictions.

Translation - It's always fun to rub it in when the Vikings are 7-1 and the Bears/Packers are 4-4...

Well, duh.

The clock is ticking toward a Favre meltdown.

7-1 is only 7-1. No one gives a shit...yet.

[ThadHawk]

Translation - It's always fun to rub it in when the Vikings are 7-1 and the Bears/Packers are 4-4...

Well, duh.

The clock is ticking toward a Favre meltdown.

7-1 is only 7-1. No one gives a shit...yet.

I have no doubt. But, I've been hearing that he's going to melt down for 8 weeks. Like I said, I know he's going to do it eventually, but he's playing out of his mind right now.

[FMHoosier]

Well, duh.

The clock is ticking toward a Favre meltdown.

7-1 is only 7-1. No one gives a shit...yet.

I have no doubt. But, I've been hearing that he's going to melt down for 8 weeks. Like I said, I know he's going to do it eventually, but he's playing out of his mind right now.

http://a.espncdn.com/media/apphoto/772d752b-901a-43ce-a6d6-4a962a7edff0.jpg

[ThadHawk]

The clock is ticking toward a Favre meltdown.

7-1 is only 7-1. No one gives a shit...yet.

I have no doubt. But, I've been hearing that he's going to melt down for 8 weeks. Like I said, I know he's going to do it eventually, but he's playing out of his mind right now.

http://a.espncdn.com/media/apphoto/772d752b-901a-43ce-a6d6-4a962a7edff0.jpg

If a meltdown is someone causing a fumble, and a running back not catching a pass, then a lot of people meltdown on a weekly basis.

[RecreationalGynecologist]

Apparently Monsta was the one Pwnd in this thread given the results thus far ;)

[Monster]

Apparently Monsta was the one Pwnd in this thread given the results thus far ;)

In several ways, yes. But, the season isn't over, and my boys in green and gold could still get their shit together, win 6 of 8, and finish 10-6. The offensive line is baaaad.

Rodgers, however, is playing outstanding football. Leads the NFL in passer rating, and is on pace for 4,500 yards, 32 tds, 10 ints, plus another 400 yards and 4 tds on the ground.

[Rolo Tomassi]

As a Packer fan, I hope the Vikings make it to the Super Bowl. I really do. Represent the NFC North, Vikes.


Vikings fan here. If they reach the Super Bowl, they'll just break our hearts like they always do in big games. It's why they were put on earth.

[Monster]

As a Packer fan, I hope the Vikings make it to the Super Bowl. I really do. Represent the NFC North, Vikes.


Vikings fan here. If they reach the Super Bowl, they'll just break our hearts like they always do in big games. It's why they were put on earth.

But now you boyz have Brett Slingerino Favre, a proven winner.

[Edgecrusher7711]

Apparently Monsta was the one Pwnd in this thread given the results thus far ;)

In several ways, yes. But, the season isn't over, and my boys in green and gold could still get their shit together, win 6 of 8, and finish 10-6. The offensive line is not good but our QB makes it look worse.

Rodgers, however, is playing outstanding fantasy football. Leads the NFL in passer rating, and is on pace for 4,500 yards, 32 tds, 10 ints, plus another 400 yards and 4 tds on the ground. However in real life he holds on to the ball way, way to long and has no clue how to use a hot route, dump down or to just throw the fucking ball away.

QFT

[FMHoosier]

I have no doubt. But, I've been hearing that he's going to melt down for 8 weeks. Like I said, I know he's going to do it eventually, but he's playing out of his mind right now.

http://a.espncdn.com/media/apphoto/772d752b-901a-43ce-a6d6-4a962a7edff0.jpg

If a meltdown is someone causing a fumble, and a running back not catching a pass, then a lot of people meltdown on a weekly basis.

Call it what you will.

Trent Dilfer = 1 SB win
Brett Favre = 1 SB win

[Edgecrusher7711]

http://a.espncdn.com/media/apphoto/772d752b-901a-43ce-a6d6-4a962a7edff0.jpg

If a meltdown is someone causing a fumble, and a running back not catching a pass, then a lot of people meltdown on a weekly basis.

Call it what you will.

Trent Dilfer = 1 SB win
Brett Favre = 1 SB win

Wtf does that even mean?

Peyton Manning = 1 SB win.
Joe Namath = 1 SB win.
Steve Young = 1 SB win.
Johnny Unitas = 1 SB win.

[FMHoosier]

If a meltdown is someone causing a fumble, and a running back not catching a pass, then a lot of people meltdown on a weekly basis.

Call it what you will.

Trent Dilfer = 1 SB win
Brett Favre = 1 SB win

Wtf does that even mean?

Peyton Manning = 1 SB win.
Joe Namath = 1 SB win.
Steve Young = 1 SB win.
Johnny Unitas = 1 SB win.

Nothing. Similar to what goes on around this place.

Trent Dilfer with a SB win cracks me up. That's all.


Favre has not won a road playoff game since 1997.

[ISUFan98]

Call it what you will.

Trent Dilfer = 1 SB win
Brett Favre = 1 SB win

Wtf does that even mean?

Peyton Manning = 1 SB win.
Joe Namath = 1 SB win.
Steve Young = 1 SB win.
Johnny Unitas = 1 SB win.

Nothing. Similar to what goes on around this place.

Trent Dilfer with a SB win cracks me up. That's all.


Favre has not won a road playoff game since 1997.

He's got a favorable playoff picture this year. At this point, the Vikings are going to have home games until probably the NFC Championship, when they'd still be inside.

I don't foresee any trips to NY, GB or Philadelphia this year for the ol' Gunslinger.

[Monster]

Bump. Interesting stuff here.

[Monster]

The Vikings have 4 pro bowlers on defense. Three on the DL and one in the secondary in Antoine Winfield.

You still have to stop the run to win football games. You know this Monsta

Al Harris and Charles Woodson are nearing the end of their careers. I predict Harris retires after this season.

None of that disputes my point.

I'm saying that Harris and Woodson are overrated, not Collins..He's a player..I remember him running an INT back for a TD last year against Minnesota.

As for Chicago, they piss me off..My favorite team growing up..Too bad they cannot draft new ownership and management.

Yep. Woodson is overrated.

[ivan_drago]

None of that disputes my point.

I'm saying that Harris and Woodson are overrated, not Collins..He's a player..I remember him running an INT back for a TD last year against Minnesota.

As for Chicago, they piss me off..My favorite team growing up..Too bad they cannot draft new ownership and management.

Yep. Woodson is overrated.

If you're going to bump one of his posts, why not the one where he absolutely nailed the amount of games everyone was going to win?

Said the Vikes would win 12, Bears 6 (they won 7).

[Monster]

I'm saying that Harris and Woodson are overrated, not Collins..He's a player..I remember him running an INT back for a TD last year against Minnesota.

As for Chicago, they piss me off..My favorite team growing up..Too bad they cannot draft new ownership and management.

Yep. Woodson is overrated.

If you're going to bump one of his posts, why not the one where he absolutely nailed the amount of games everyone was going to win?

Said the Vikes would win 12, Bears 6 (they won 7).

Because that doesn't serve my purpose.

[Legend12]

Bump. Interesting stuff here.

Translation: I was right about something.

[Monster]

Bump. Interesting stuff here.

Translation: I was right about something.

I've been wrong about a lot of shit lately. I need to be right once in awhile.

[ivan_drago]

Bump. Interesting stuff here.

Translation: I was right about something.

I've been wrong about a lot of shit lately. I need to be right once in awhile.

I'm searching for the "Troy Williamson will have 75 catches" post, but can't find it.

[Monster]

The Vikings could beat most teams in the NFL

They went 10-6 last year and they had QB issues all season and had 6 pro bowlers
They beat the Giants in 2007 when the Giants were on their way to a Super Bowl season.

Easily have the best DL in the NFL

Pro Bowl RB-Check
Pro Bowl DT-Check
Pro Bowl DT-Check
Pro Bowl DE-Check
Pro Bowl CB-Check
Pro Bowl OG-Check

Vikings will win NFC North once again. Packers and Bears will fight it out with the Bears edging out the Packers for 2nd place.

My boy and fellow Pack fan Monster is taking ol' RecGyno deep into the pwnage shed in this thread.

Whats to pwn? Facts are facts..The Packers won 6 games last year. The Vikings won the NFC North...again last season and upgraded their QB situation and have the best DL in the NFL with a better secondary than any of the other NFC north contenders. The LBs will be upgraded as well.

As for offense, the Bears have Cutler, who really has yet to prove himself.
The Packers have Rodgers, who had a pretty good year last year, but still does not have the weapons that Favre/Jackson has..nor the OL

I predict the Vikings win 12 games this season

Bears are 10-6 or 6-10 (brutal early schedule)
Packers are 9-7 or 7-9 Depending on how defense shakes out

I can see the Bears losing to the Packers, Steelers, Seahawks and Falcons early on.

They have a tough road slate with games on the road vs Green Bay, Minnesota, Atlanta, Seattle, Cincy and Baltimore all capable of beating the Bears.

Not seeing where he was right about the Bears or Packers. He said the Bears would be either 10-6 or 6-10. LOL.

[Monster]

Translation: I was right about something.

I've been wrong about a lot of shit lately. I need to be right once in awhile.

I'm searching for the "Troy Williamson will have 75 catches" post, but can't find it.

Well, since he went out for the season in week two, it would be pretty hard for him to do that. That would be like 38 catches per game.

[ivan_drago]

Williamson will also have a solid year - 60 catches, 800 yds, 8 tds.

Bump

[Costanza]

Williamson will also have a solid year - 60 catches, 800 yds, 8 tds.

Bump

Even I knew that limb couldnt hold you.

[Monster]

Williamson will also have a solid year - 60 catches, 800 yds, 8 tds.

Bump

Even I knew that limb couldnt hold you.

Dude got hurt. What else can be said?

[ThadHawk]

Bump

Even I knew that limb couldnt hold you.

Dude got hurt. What else can be said?

Troy probably had a better season by not seeing the field. That guy was garbage.

[MikeyJoe]

Obviously everyone goes through a bad few games so you can't just extrapolate, but in the two games he did play, he had 3 catches for 34 total yards.

[Monster]

Obviously everyone goes through a bad few games so you can't just extrapolate, but in the two games he did play, he had 3 catches for 34 total yards.

You're attempting to extrapolate.

[MikeyJoe]

I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'....

[Edgecrusher7711]

Troy Williamson is the suck.