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cjhawks
10-12-2009, 12:11 PM
I was skeptical after the first few games, but after watching the game yesterday against the Pats, I was pretty damn impressed. Orton seems to have a lot more zip on his balls this year, and he's not making bonehead decisions either.

It also helps that Marshall is on board too. And Moreno is going to be a very good back in Denver's scheme. Just needs to lick the fumbling issues.
Monster
10-12-2009, 12:14 PM
Do you really think Orton has somehow changed his mechanics?
MikeyJoe
10-12-2009, 12:21 PM
Do you really think Orton has somehow changed his mechanics?
No kidding. He had an outstanding game yesterday, but other than that he's basically been the same Kyle Orton we always saw in Chicago. And it's not like he never had good games in Chicago.
Santa Anna's Leg
10-12-2009, 12:24 PM
Brady leaves a lot of points on the field every game now.
Monster
10-12-2009, 12:25 PM
Do you really think Orton has somehow changed his mechanics?
No kidding. He had an outstanding game yesterday, but other than that he's basically been the same Kyle Orton we always saw in Chicago. And it's not like he never had good games in Chicago.

This is the same logic that many Hawk fans use in regard to KOK. Since Iowa is winning, KOK has been calling some "good games". A few posters have actually indicated KOK has changed his play-calling philosophy this season.
MikeyJoe
10-12-2009, 12:26 PM
Do you really think Orton has somehow changed his mechanics?
No kidding. He had an outstanding game yesterday, but other than that he's basically been the same Kyle Orton we always saw in Chicago. And it's not like he never had good games in Chicago.

This is the same logic that many Hawk fans use in regard to KOK. Since Iowa is winning, KOK has been calling some "good games". A few posters have actually indicated KOK has changed his play-calling philosophy this season.
I'm not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me, but since I'm right I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're agreeing with me.
cjhawks
10-12-2009, 12:27 PM
Do you really think Orton has somehow changed his mechanics?
No kidding. He had an outstanding game yesterday, but other than that he's basically been the same Kyle Orton we always saw in Chicago. And it's not like he never had good games in Chicago.

Except this year he's not throwing INT's.

I have no idea if he's changed his mechanics or not. I just don't remember him throwing the ball that hard from his Chi-town days.

Just a general observation on Denver I guess. If you would have said in August they would be undefeated 5 weeks into the season, I would have politely asked for a sampling of the drugs you were on.
FMHoosier
10-12-2009, 12:29 PM
Denver will be exposed over the next month.

Reap it.

San Diego
Baltimore
Pittsburgh
San Diego
New York Giants

...over the next 6 weeks.
Edgecrusher7711
10-12-2009, 12:29 PM
Do you really think Orton has somehow changed his mechanics?
No kidding. He had an outstanding game yesterday, but other than that he's basically been the same Kyle Orton we always saw in Chicago. And it's not like he never had good games in Chicago.

Except this year he's not throwing INT's.

I have no idea if he's changed his mechanics or not. I just don't remember him throwing the ball that hard from his Chi-town days.

Just a general observation on Denver I guess. If you would have said in August they would be undefeated 5 weeks into the season, I would have politely asked for a sampling of the drugs you were on.

It helps that he has much better WRs. Marshall took what might have been picks in Chicago and turned them into catches or at worst incompletions.
Monster
10-12-2009, 12:30 PM
No kidding. He had an outstanding game yesterday, but other than that he's basically been the same Kyle Orton we always saw in Chicago. And it's not like he never had good games in Chicago.

This is the same logic that many Hawk fans use in regard to KOK. Since Iowa is winning, KOK has been calling some "good games". A few posters have actually indicated KOK has changed his play-calling philosophy this season.
I'm not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me, but since I'm right I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're agreeing with me.

I'm agreeing. Better results just have to mean that Orton is doing something different.
MikeyJoe
10-12-2009, 12:32 PM
Do you really think Orton has somehow changed his mechanics?
No kidding. He had an outstanding game yesterday, but other than that he's basically been the same Kyle Orton we always saw in Chicago. And it's not like he never had good games in Chicago.

Except this year he's not throwing INT's.

I have no idea if he's changed his mechanics or not. I just don't remember him throwing the ball that hard from his Chi-town days.

Just a general observation on Denver I guess. If you would have said in August they would be undefeated 5 weeks into the season, I would have politely asked for a sampling of the drugs you were on.
Give him time. He'll throw a few more.

His 12 interceptions last year came in just 6 games. He had an 8 game stretch where he didn't throw any.
opiate of the masses
10-12-2009, 12:38 PM
the broncos new head coach looks like he's about 23 years old
Monster
10-12-2009, 12:39 PM
No kidding. He had an outstanding game yesterday, but other than that he's basically been the same Kyle Orton we always saw in Chicago. And it's not like he never had good games in Chicago.

Except this year he's not throwing INT's.

I have no idea if he's changed his mechanics or not. I just don't remember him throwing the ball that hard from his Chi-town days.

Just a general observation on Denver I guess. If you would have said in August they would be undefeated 5 weeks into the season, I would have politely asked for a sampling of the drugs you were on.
Give him time. He'll throw a few more.

His 12 interceptions last year came in just 6 games. He had an 8 game stretch where he didn't throw any.

And 8 of those came after returning from a severe ankle sprain.
cjhawks
10-12-2009, 12:39 PM
Denver will be exposed over the next month.

Reap it.

San Diego
Baltimore
Pittsburgh
San Diego
New York Giants

...over the next 6 weeks.

San Diego - W
Baltimore - L
Pittsburgh - W (the Steelers have looked like shit all year, can't finish games)
San Diego - L (I'll concede a split w/ the Chargers)
Giants - L

So even at a 2-3 stretch, they would still have a pretty respectable 7-3 record.
crazed_hoosier1
10-12-2009, 12:51 PM
I was skeptical after the first few games, but after watching the game yesterday against the Pats, I was pretty damn impressed. Orton seems to have a lot more zip on his balls this year, and he's not making bonehead decisions either.

It also helps that Marshall is on board too. And Moreno is going to be a very good back in Denver's scheme. Just needs to lick the fumbling issues.

They have a terrific defense and an offense that's good enough to get the job done. Trent Dilfer's wearing a Super Bowl ring this very minute because of just such a mixture.

I have to say: I was very critical of how Pat Bowlen handled things over the past 9 months...from Shanahan's firing, to hiring a rookie head coach who's younger than some of his players, to the whole Cutler/Cassel fiasco, etc. And I was far from alone.

As of now, Bowlen, Xanders, McDaniel, and Orton are making a whole lot of people put their feet in their mouths -- and I'm one of them. The Broncos have something to prove -- they're playing like it and proving it.
crazed_hoosier1
10-12-2009, 12:53 PM
the broncos new head coach looks like he's about 23 years old

He almost is. He's 33, I believe.

I understand the new coach at Tampa Bay is even a few months younger.
roseboundhawk
10-12-2009, 12:57 PM
orton is excellent at the pass-is-tipped-by-three-defenders-and-then-caught-by-a-receiver pass this year.
crazed_hoosier1
10-12-2009, 01:03 PM
Denver will be exposed over the next month.

Reap it.

San Diego
Baltimore
Pittsburgh
San Diego
New York Giants

...over the next 6 weeks.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Denver go 4-2 or even 5-1 over that stretch. Nor would it surprise me for them to be "exposed" like you say.

The knock on them at 4-0 was that they hadn't played anybody. Well, they beat the Pats yesterday...and, while this year's Pats aren't (yet) playing like the Pats we've all come to know and resent, they're still a quality football team.

I wouldn't call myself a "believer" yet. But I do know that the Denver "D" is legit and playing even better than expected. If the offense continues playing as efficiently as it has been, there's no reason they can't beat any of those teams on the list.
MikeyJoe
10-12-2009, 01:16 PM
Except this year he's not throwing INT's.

I have no idea if he's changed his mechanics or not. I just don't remember him throwing the ball that hard from his Chi-town days.

Just a general observation on Denver I guess. If you would have said in August they would be undefeated 5 weeks into the season, I would have politely asked for a sampling of the drugs you were on.
Give him time. He'll throw a few more.

His 12 interceptions last year came in just 6 games. He had an 8 game stretch where he didn't throw any.

And 8 of those came after returning from a severe ankle sprain.
Sure, but I don't know if I'd give him that much of the benefit of the doubt on that one. He went two weeks after returning from that injury and played fine, then closed out the year with a few bad games.
Pinehawk
10-12-2009, 01:21 PM
Denver will be exposed over the next month.

Reap it.

San Diego
Baltimore
Pittsburgh
San Diego
New York Giants

...over the next 6 weeks.

San Diego - W
Baltimore - L
Pittsburgh - W (the Steelers have looked like shit all year, can't finish games)
San Diego - L (I'll concede a split w/ the Chargers)
Giants - L

So even at a 2-3 stretch, they would still have a pretty respectable 7-3 record.

And the Chargers will be back far enough at that point they'll have a tough time catching the Broncos down the stretch.

But, we'll see how good they really are coming up. They've at least put themselves in a really nice situation and have the team buying into where they are going.
McDaniels coached Matt Cassell up to maintain success and he seems like he might be doing the same thing with Orton.
sobrien51
10-12-2009, 01:36 PM
They will finish 9-7
Monster
10-12-2009, 01:46 PM
They will finish 9-7

$20.
sobrien51
10-12-2009, 03:34 PM
They will finish 9-7

$20.

My religion doesn't allow me to bet money, but I'll be you a 6-pack of beer and a 1/4 oz of pot.
Monster
10-12-2009, 03:35 PM
They will finish 9-7

$20.

My religion doesn't allow me to bet money, but I'll be you a 6-pack of beer and a 1/4 oz of pot.

Make it an eighth and you're on.
sobrien51
10-12-2009, 03:45 PM
$20.

My religion doesn't allow me to bet money, but I'll be you a 6-pack of beer and a 1/4 oz of pot.

Make it an eighth and you're on.

Can't do an an eighth, but I will do 2 sixteenths.
Monster
10-12-2009, 03:52 PM
My religion doesn't allow me to bet money, but I'll be you a 6-pack of beer and a 1/4 oz of pot.

Make it an eighth and you're on.

Can't do an an eighth, but I will do 2 sixteenths.

Too rich for my blood.
scottsdalehawk
10-12-2009, 04:53 PM
Denver will be exposed over the next month.

Reap it.

San Diego
Baltimore
Pittsburgh
San Diego
New York Giants

...over the next 6 weeks.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Denver go 4-2 or even 5-1 over that stretch. Nor would it surprise me for them to be "exposed" like you say.

The knock on them at 4-0 was that they hadn't played anybody. Well, they beat the Pats yesterday...and, while this year's Pats aren't (yet) playing like the Pats we've all come to know and resent, they're still a quality football team.

I wouldn't call myself a "believer" yet. But I do know that the Denver "D" is legit and playing even better than expected. If the offense continues playing as efficiently as it has been, there's no reason they can't beat any of those teams on the list.

also the denver win at cincy is looking better every week now
funnelcake
10-12-2009, 06:44 PM
Orton seems to have a lot more zip on his balls this year........



the Rocky Mountain air is the only explanation (wink)
Costanza
10-12-2009, 08:54 PM
The Denver Broncos will not make the playoffs this year.
sobrien51
12-20-2009, 07:38 PM
They will finish 9-7

I might have given them too much credit.
ISUFan98
12-20-2009, 07:49 PM
The Raiders? Geesh.
Pinehawk
12-20-2009, 08:05 PM
The Raiders also beat the Bengals and Steelers in recent weeks. But, yeah that was a bad loss. The Broncos will still finish ahead of where I expected them to this season.
Brand new, first time head coach and they lost their 'elite' 'franchise' 'Pro-Bowl' QB after all.
Jimmie Dimmick
12-20-2009, 09:48 PM
The Raiders have beaten:

10-4 Eagles
9-5 Bengals
8-6 Broncos
7-7 Steelers










and the Chiefs






Schizophrenic
Costanza
01-03-2010, 07:21 PM
The Denver Broncos will not make the playoffs this year.


Pretty good call considering they were 5-0 at the time of my post.
HawkLax6
01-03-2010, 07:24 PM
The Denver Broncos will not make the playoffs this year.


Pretty good call considering they were 5-0 at the time of my post.

http://pixiestixkidspix.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/cookie-bite-web.jpg

There you go. ;)
Corporate Raider
01-03-2010, 07:24 PM
Orton is HOS material.
castichawk24
01-03-2010, 07:27 PM
The Denver Broncos will not make the playoffs this year.


Pretty good call considering they were 5-0 at the time of my post.

It is not hard to predict that an average team with a low level QB like Kyle Orton isn't going to make the playoffs, but at 5-0 that was still a great call. Kudos.