Republicans Only: Would you vote for BVP were he the nominee?

[Mr. Hawk]

Steve Deace tells us its okay to be Republican/conservative and not vote for the Republican nominee, and it's perfectly acceptable to do so. And so I ask, Iowa Registered Republicans, if Bob Vander Plaats is the nominee for governor in 2010, will you vote for him?

Registered Republicans only. I reserve the right to delete your vote if I don't think you are.

[Santa Anna's Leg]

Making this a public poll is kind of lame. imo.

Pinning your own questions because you think them ultra-important is decidedly lame. Fact.

[Mr. Hawk]

why? seems that would spur more discussion and we'd know where folks are at.

[Mr. Hawk]

Pinning your own questions because you think them ultra-important is decidedly lame. Fact.I only did it this time because it's the end of the day, and didn't see many "R's" on the "who's online".

i've pinned dozens of other people's threads upon request. nice try though.

[Santa Anna's Leg]

I only did it this time because it's the end of the day, and didn't see many "R's" on the "who's online".

i've pinned dozens of other people's threads upon request. nice try though.

Stop breaking character!

Something about being long would have been more appropriate.

[Mr. Hawk]

Taking your monthly PMS fit out in threads where nobody cares what you think is lame. Fact.

[Gushawk]

Steve Deace is right, but he apparently is incapable of realizing that this reality hurts his cause more than it helps it, assuming that his goals are borne of a rational desire actually elect politicians who are as sympathetic to his beliefs as possible. I'm not sure, however, that's his goal. I think he wants to make it impossible to be a Republican nominee without near 100% concurrence with the views of his wing of the party, and in so doing make it virtually certain that Republicans won't win elections. That's not a political party, it's a social club or, perhaps more apropos, a congregation.

[ivan_drago]

I want to put an afterword on my vote - this won't matter because, imho, TB is going to get the nod.

[TH1974]

This is like asking if you'd vote for Big Bird if he were the nominee. It's never going to happen.

[Debit One]

I'm not going to be a Gus and tell you one thing when I truly believe another. :-)

In a GBL vs. VanderPlaats I hold my nose and vote for VP.

[Gushawk]

I'm not going to be a Gus and tell you one thing when I truly believe another. :-)

In a GBL vs. VanderPlaats I hold my nose and vote for VP.

Sometimes abstaining is the right choice. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. In this case, I think it would be for you...much as TB v. GBL race would likely be for me.

[MickerHawk]

I'm not going to be a Gus and tell you one thing when I truly believe another. :-)

In a GBL vs. VanderPlaats I hold my nose and vote for VP.

This.

[ISUFan98]

Any Republican who votes in the primary and then refuses to vote for the party's nominee in the general should have their party membership revoked.

If your guy doesn't win, tough shit. Suck it up and vote for the nominee, nancy.

[Lime]

I'm not going to be a Gus and tell you one thing when I truly believe another. :-)

In a GBL vs. VanderPlaats I hold my nose and vote for VP.

Sometimes abstaining is the right choice. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. In this case, I think it would be for you...much as TB v. GBL race would likely be for me.

Anyone who declares anything less than outright opposition to voting for Chet Culver is dangerous.

[ThePracticalPundit]

Any Republican who votes in the primary and then refuses to vote for the party's nominee in the general should have their party membership revoked.

If your guy doesn't win, tough shit. Suck it up and vote for the nominee, nancy.

Yes! That's what democracy is all about. Once the party decides, it's no longer my vote.

[Glen]

Any Republican who votes in the primary and then refuses to vote for the party's nominee in the general should have their party membership revoked.

If your guy doesn't win, tough shit. Suck it up and vote for the nominee, nancy.

As a practical matter you are correct. Hard to stomach some of the nominees coming out of the party, however. How is one to effectuate change in the party if we truly are repulsed by the nominee yet vote for the candidate anyway?

[Mr. Hawk]

How is one to effectuate change in the party if we truly are repulsed by the nominee yet vote for the candidate anyway?That's exactly the Steve Deace argument.

[MikeyJoe]

What if we A) aren't a registered Republican and 2) don't live in Iowa? Can we still vote?

[HawkLax6]

I like how Iza voted in the appropriate spot.

[ISUFan98]

Any Republican who votes in the primary and then refuses to vote for the party's nominee in the general should have their party membership revoked.

If your guy doesn't win, tough shit. Suck it up and vote for the nominee, nancy.

Yes! That's what democracy is all about. Once the party decides, it's no longer my vote.

It's pretty hypocritical to participate in a party's nomination process and then refuse to support its nominee if your guy loses. You're basically no different than Deace, except you're coming from the moderate side.

If you want to vote with your conscience in the general election, then be an independent and let the party voters participate in the primaries.

FWIW, I am not a BVDP supporter.

[ISUFan98]

Any Republican who votes in the primary and then refuses to vote for the party's nominee in the general should have their party membership revoked.

If your guy doesn't win, tough shit. Suck it up and vote for the nominee, nancy.

As a practical matter you are correct. Hard to stomach some of the nominees coming out of the party, however. How is one to effectuate change in the party if we truly are repulsed by the nominee yet vote for the candidate anyway?

Isn't this what social conservatives were told to do for years?

[MikeyJoe]

How many candidates did the Republican party put forward that were "repulsive" to social conservatives? Examples, si vous plait.

[ISUFan98]

How many candidates did the Republican party put forward that were "repulsive" to social conservatives? Examples, si vous plait.

You're kidding me, right?

http://www.britannica.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/mcain3.jpg

[MikeyJoe]

What about McCain repulsed you as a social conservative?

[MikeyJoe]

Also, the 2008 Presidential Election does not count as "for years".

FYI.

[ISUFan98]

Also, the 2008 Presidential Election does not count as "for years".

FYI.

Christie Todd Whitman
Michael Steele
Tom Ridge
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Olympia Snowe
Susan Collins
Arlen Specter
Jim Leach
Rudy Giuliani

Do I need to go on?

[ISUFan98]

What about McCain repulsed you as a social conservative?

Wavering on gay marriage and the illegal immigration issue, namely.

Yet I still voted for him, because I knew that BHO would be far, far worse.

[opiate of the masses]

Any Republican who votes in the primary and then refuses to vote for the party's nominee in the general should have their party membership revoked.

If your guy doesn't win, tough shit. Suck it up and vote for the nominee, nancy.

+10000

repubs like taw who do "protest votes" are retarded

i would vote for a lame repub candidate over a liberal democrat in any election

[MikeyJoe]

Also, the 2008 Presidential Election does not count as "for years".

FYI.

Christie Todd Whitman
Michael Steele
Tom Ridge
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Olympia Snowe
Susan Collins
Arlen Specter
Jim Leach
Rudy Giuliani

Do I need to go on?
Actually, no. I think that list is fairly demonstrative.

[opiate of the masses]

I'm not going to be a Gus and tell you one thing when I truly believe another. :-)

In a GBL vs. VanderPlaats I hold my nose and vote for VP.

ok i dont follow iowa politics as closely as i should .... who the hell is GBL? i thought chester was running as the democrat vs. TB or BVP or whomever

[TH1974]

Governor Big Lug (culver)

[opiate of the masses]

Governor Big Lug (culver)

thx

[ISUFan98]

Governor Big Lug (culver)

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr209/freakdog19/o_rly.jpg

[TH1974]

Governor Big Lug (culver)

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr209/freakdog19/o_rly.jpg

yah

[Cigdude]

Making this a public poll is kind of lame. imo.

Pinning your own questions because you think them ultra-important is decidedly lame. Fact.

I wonder why Deace and MH cant debate in person but would rather hide behind their keyboards, lame

[ISUFan98]

Making this a public poll is kind of lame. imo.

Pinning your own questions because you think them ultra-important is decidedly lame. Fact.

I wonder why Deace and MH cant debate in person but would rather hide behind their keyboards, lame

Technically, Deace is hiding behind his microphone. MH is hiding behind his keyboard.

[Cigdude]

So both type a good talk but dont have the stones to do it in a public forum? Gotcha

[ThePracticalPundit]

Any Republican who votes in the primary and then refuses to vote for the party's nominee in the general should have their party membership revoked.

If your guy doesn't win, tough shit. Suck it up and vote for the nominee, nancy.

Yes! That's what democracy is all about. Once the party decides, it's no longer my vote.

It's pretty hypocritical to participate in a party's nomination process and then refuse to support its nominee if your guy loses. You're basically no different than Deace, except you're coming from the moderate side.

If you want to vote with your conscience in the general election, then be an independent and let the party voters participate in the primaries.

FWIW, I am not a BVDP supporter.

I'd rather vote my conscience. I'm the only one I have to look at in the mirror. I fail to see how that's hypocritical. I think it's a bit hypocritical to not have the courage of your convictions. I register my preference, Republican, so I can participate in the caucuses. If I were an independent, my choices would be foist upon me without my participation.

I'm pretty sure I'm different than Deace, but if that's how you prefer to characterize me, no skin off my nose. I don't pout at 50,000 watts, trying to convince the state to participate in my tantrum. I simply, quietly, cast my vote.

Maybe socons have been told for years to vote for candidates who repulsed them. If that's ultimately the choice they made, whose fault is that?

[ThePracticalPundit]

Any Republican who votes in the primary and then refuses to vote for the party's nominee in the general should have their party membership revoked.

If your guy doesn't win, tough shit. Suck it up and vote for the nominee, nancy.

+10000

repubs like taw who do "protest votes" are retarded

i would vote for a lame repub candidate over a liberal democrat in any election

Third party.

[Iza]

Keggy is my homie.

[ISUFan98]

Yes! That's what democracy is all about. Once the party decides, it's no longer my vote.

It's pretty hypocritical to participate in a party's nomination process and then refuse to support its nominee if your guy loses. You're basically no different than Deace, except you're coming from the moderate side.

If you want to vote with your conscience in the general election, then be an independent and let the party voters participate in the primaries.

FWIW, I am not a BVDP supporter.

I don't pout at 50,000 watts, trying to convince the state to participate in my tantrum. I simply, quietly, cast my vote.

You are throwing a tantrum; you're just doing it in the voting booth as opposed to using the airwaves.

[Mr. Hawk]

So both type a good talk but dont have the stones to do it in a public forum? Gotchayou're right. i never debate political issues in a public forum. were you dropped on your head as a child?

[ThePracticalPundit]

It's pretty hypocritical to participate in a party's nomination process and then refuse to support its nominee if your guy loses. You're basically no different than Deace, except you're coming from the moderate side.

If you want to vote with your conscience in the general election, then be an independent and let the party voters participate in the primaries.

FWIW, I am not a BVDP supporter.

I don't pout at 50,000 watts, trying to convince the state to participate in my tantrum. I simply, quietly, cast my vote.

You are throwing a tantrum; you're just doing it in the voting booth as opposed to using the airwaves.

Ummmm... no. I think you're projecting years of unfulfilled social conservativism. One can disagree without being angry, and anger is a necessary component of a tantrum. You, on the other hand, sound kinda angry.

[Hawk_Kegmasters]

Keggy is my homie.

Typically, I just go for the Iza is gay option. This time it actually made sense for me.

[Iza]

Typically, I just go for the Iza is gay option.

That's tat worthy, Kegmaster. If I could translate that to an old viking language, I'd write over my barbwire bicep tat with that exact text.

[blacklespaul]

If he can win the primary, I would vote for him. I believe in voting and what it stands for more than keeping my beliefs pure. BVP is a good man. Just a little robotic. His ambition is legendary. That said, if being a Republican is not about winning elections, I don't know what it is about. These pure doctrine folks that in their real life are squishy on the important things, make me puke. Take care of your own house first, girls and boys.

[Glen]

What about McCain repulsed you as a social conservative?

I'm no socon. As a fiscon, they've all repulsed me.

[Glen]

How is one to effectuate change in the party if we truly are repulsed by the nominee yet vote for the candidate anyway?That's exactly the Steve Deace argument.

It has merit. Until you realize the result of this plan is getting BO and CC.

[Southsidehawk]

I would vote for a cinder block instead of Culver as it would do a much better job. I mean that.

[MickerHawk]

I would vote for a cinder block instead of Culver as it would do a much better job. I mean that.

Troof.

I still love how historians refer to Cal Coolidge as "Silent Cal" and "do-nothing Cal." Well, he did nothing to advance socialism, so for that I respect him a lot.



During Coolidge's presidency the United States experienced the period of rapid economic growth known as the "Roaring Twenties (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roaring_Twenties)." His economic policy has often been misquoted as "generally speaking, the business of the American people is business" (full quotation below, at left). Although some commentators have criticized Coolidge as a doctrinaire laissez-faire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laissez-faire) ideologue, historian Robert Sobel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Sobel) offers some context based on Coolidge's sense of federalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalism): "As Governor of Massachusetts, Coolidge supported wages and hours legislation, opposed child labor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_labor), imposed economic controls during World War I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I), favored safety measures in factories, and even worker representation on corporate boards. Did he support these measures while president? No, because in the 1920s, such matters were considered the responsibilities of state and local governments."


Coolidge's taxation policy, and that of his Secretary of the Treasury, Andrew Mellon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Mellon), was that taxes should be lower and that fewer people should have to pay them.[106] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_Coolidge#cite_note-sobel310-105) The Congress concurred, and the tax burden on Americans was reduced in Coolidge's term.[106] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_Coolidge#cite_note-sobel310-105) In addition to these tax cuts, Coolidge proposed reductions in federal expenditures and retiring some of the federal debt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt).[107] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_Coolidge#cite_note-106) To that end, Coolidge declined to sign some of the spending that Congress approved. He vetoed the proposed McNary-Haugen Farm Relief Bill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McNary-Haugen_Farm_Relief_Bill) of 1926, designed to allow the federal government to purchase agricultural surpluses and sell them abroad at lowered prices. Coolidge declared that agriculture must stand "on an independent business basis," and said that "government control cannot be divorced from political control."[108] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_Coolidge#cite_note-107) He favored Herbert Hoover (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hoover)'s proposal to modernize agriculture to create profits, instead of manipulating prices. When Congress re-passed the McNary-Haugen bill in 1927, Coolidge vetoed it again.[109] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_Coolidge#cite_note-108) "Farmers never have made much money," said Coolidge, the Vermont farmer's son, "I do not believe we can do much about it."[110] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_Coolidge#cite_note-109)

Coolidge has often been criticized for his actions during the Great Mississippi Flood of 1927 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Mississippi_Flood_of_1927), the worst natural disaster to hit the Gulf Coast until Hurricane Katrina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Katrina) in 2005.[111] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_Coolidge#cite_note-floods-110) Although he did eventually name Secretary Hoover to a commission in charge of flood relief, Coolidge's lack of interest in federal flood control has been much maligned.[111] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_Coolidge#cite_note-floods-110) Coolidge did not believe that personally visiting the region after the floods would accomplish anything, but would be seen only as political grandstanding, and he did not want to incur the federal spending that flood control would require.[112] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_Coolidge#cite_note-111) Congress wanted a bill that would place the federal government completely in charge of flood mitigation; Coolidge wanted the property owners to bear much of the costs.[113] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_Coolidge#cite_note-112) When Congress passed a compromise measure in 1928, Coolidge declined to take credit for it and signed the bill in private on May 15.[114] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_Coolidge#cite_note-113)

Coolidge advocated against lynching and the Ku Klux Klan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan), which lost its influence during his term.

[Cigdude]

So both type a good talk but dont have the stones to do it in a public forum? Gotchayou're right. i never debate political issues in a public forum. were you dropped on your head as a child?

Did I miss where you and Deace were on the radio debating eachother? Hopefully I can find it on a podcast

[ISUFan98]

I would vote for a cinder block instead of Culver as it would do a much better job. I mean that.

A cinder block vs. a cinder block? That would be an interesting election.

[Wild Onion]

So both type a good talk but dont have the stones to do it in a public forum? Gotchayou're right. i never debate political issues in a public forum. were you dropped on your head as a child?

Did I miss where you and Deace were on the radio debating eachother? Hopefully I can find it on a podcast

http://www.polkout.com/picardfacepalm.jpg

[Mr. Hawk]

So both type a good talk but dont have the stones to do it in a public forum? Gotchayou're right. i never debate political issues in a public forum. were you dropped on your head as a child?

Did I miss where you and Deace were on the radio debating eachother? Hopefully I can find it on a podcastthis is why people think you're retarded.

[Mr. Hawk]

i unstickied this so that Sal will like me again.

[Cigdude]

you're right. i never debate political issues in a public forum. were you dropped on your head as a child?

Did I miss where you and Deace were on the radio debating eachother? Hopefully I can find it on a podcastthis is why people think you're retarded.

And this is also why the forum laughs at you whenever you "call out Steve Deace" because you are a tough guy behind a keyboard but in a debate with him on his show you'd be properly owned up one side and down the other. I'll anxiously await the first time I hear Mr. Hawk make it on the show (i listen daily)

[Mr. Hawk]

ok, I tried to help.

[Mr. Hawk]

perhaps we should re-do this vote.

[Monster]

I'd vote for him.

[Mr. Hawk]

Well, you're a man of biblical principles.

[Lime]

perhaps we should re-do this vote.

Post a new poll. In looking at this I realized that I lied at the time.