BCSGuru.com predicted standings

[MikeyJoe]

Remember, he was off on Iowa by one rank last week. Here's how he sees it this week:

There are still 16 teams in contention for the 10 BCS bowl berths. Bad news for Boise State: Either Iowa or Penn State will earn an at-large bid, and Oklahoma State probably will, too, if it can beat suddenly-disintegrating Oklahoma. And there's still a chance that a 9-3 USC team might be chosen over a 13-0 Broncos.

1. Florida, 2. Alabama, 3. Texas, 4. TCU, 5. Cincinnati, 6. Boise State, 7. Georgia Tech, 8. Oregon, 9. Ohio State, 10. Pittsburgh, 11. Oklahoma State, 12. Iowa, 13. Penn State, 14. Virginia Tech, 15. LSU. Looks like he also think Boise will be jumped by 2 loss BCS conference teams.

We'll do another closer look at the standings when the official results come out today.

[Mr. Hawk]

I'm down with a 2 loss team being chosen over Boise, but having a 3 loss USC team go over them seems a tad silly.

[PipeDaddy]

I'm down with a 2 loss team being chosen over Boise, but having a 3 loss USC team go over them seems a tad silly.

Just to be the devil's advocate... why? The rationale that one uses for a 2 loss team is the same as a 3 loss team. Boise doesn't play anybody.

The BCS is a kick in the nuts for everybody except "elite" teams that give an automatic boner to ESPN talking heads. College football needs a playoff.

[nikolausp]

Boise St. would beat the Hawks right now.

[Wild Onion]

Boise St. would beat the Hawks right now.

There's no objective foundation to be that confident.

[Natty Bumppo]

Boise St. would beat the Hawks right now.

There's no objective foundation to be that confident.

I agree. I think if you give Norm Parker five weeks to crack their offense I think our defense coulod make them look silly.

[Mo T]

Boise St. would beat the Hawks right now.

There's no objective foundation to be that confident.

I agree. I think if you give Norm Parker five weeks to crack their offense I think our defense coulod make them look silly.


I think Iowa needs to score 27 to win against Boise St.

[MikeyJoe]

Boise St. would beat the Hawks right now.

There's no objective foundation to be that confident.
+1

Is it their recent dominating wins over Louisana Tech, Idaho, and Utah State that makes you so confident?

I wouldn't guarantee an Iowa win either. But I can't see how anyone would be confident in Boise.

[Wild Onion]

There's no objective foundation to be that confident.

I agree. I think if you give Norm Parker five weeks to crack their offense I think our defense coulod make them look silly.


I think Iowa needs to score 27 to win against Boise St.

I disagree. The Hawks have only allowed that many points twice all year.

[PipeDaddy]

There's no objective foundation to be that confident.

I agree. I think if you give Norm Parker five weeks to crack their offense I think our defense coulod make them look silly.


I think Iowa needs to score 27 to win against Boise St.

I guess that's my fear for any top bowl game this year. Iowa will need to score some points to win. They won't be tossing a shutout against Boise or Cincy. I've been roundly criticized for it, but I'll throw it out there again - if Iowa plays Cincy right now we'd lose by 17 points.

[MikeyJoe]

There's no objective foundation to be that confident.

I agree. I think if you give Norm Parker five weeks to crack their offense I think our defense coulod make them look silly.


I think Iowa needs to score 27 to win against Boise St.
Boise State has played one non-shitty team all year (Oregon) and scored 19 points.

In contrast, Iowa has allowed 27 or more points only twice this year - to Michigan and Ohio State.

[Bovert]

I agree. I think if you give Norm Parker five weeks to crack their offense I think our defense coulod make them look silly.


I think Iowa needs to score 27 to win against Boise St.

I disagree. The Hawks have only allowed that many points twice all year.

And Boise has scored 45+ 8 times this year.

We can beat Boise, but they will score on us. Moore would be by far the best passing QB we have played all year.

[Mo T]

I agree. I think if you give Norm Parker five weeks to crack their offense I think our defense coulod make them look silly.


I think Iowa needs to score 27 to win against Boise St.

I disagree. The Hawks have only allowed that many points twice all year.

Boise St. will also have the best QB that Iowa has seen all year. Traditionally, when Iowa plays a QB that is accurate, the defense doesn't do all that well. A 4 man front will not create enough pressure and Moore will be able to pick and dump like they do.

I don't think Boise is very good defensively, and Iowa can win the game, but points will be scored.

[Mo T]

Sometimes people forget that Iowa's defense has given up an average of 22 points to the crappy teams on their schedule who aren't going to a bowl game.

[Verbal]

I've been roundly criticized for it, but I'll throw it out there again - if Iowa plays Cincy right now we'd lose by 17 points.

You're rightly criticized for it. It's insane. This Iowa team doesn't know how to lose by 17 points. It's been over 25 months since Iowa last lost by double digits.

[Mr. Hawk]

I've been roundly criticized for it, but I'll throw it out there again - if Iowa plays Cincy right now we'd lose by 17 points.

You're rightly criticized for it. It's insane. This Iowa team doesn't know how to lose by 17 points. It's been over 25 months since Iowa last lost by double digits.
pipedaddy is retarded. iowa would beat cincy 24-10.

[Wild Onion]

I think Iowa needs to score 27 to win against Boise St.

I disagree. The Hawks have only allowed that many points twice all year.

Boise St. will also have the best QB that Iowa has seen all year. Traditionally, when Iowa plays a QB that is accurate, the defense doesn't do all that well. A 4 man front will not create enough pressure and Moore will be able to pick and dump like they do.

I don't think Boise is very good defensively, and Iowa can win the game, but points will be scored.

Which teams has Boise played that can pressure the QB as well as Iowa? Does Idaho have anyone comparable to Clayborn?

[funnelcake]

I think Iowa needs to score 27 to win against Boise St.

I disagree. The Hawks have only allowed that many points twice all year.

And Boise has scored 45+ 8 times this year.

We can beat Boise, but they will score on us. Moore would be by far the best passing QB we have played all year.

Iowa aint Idaho, Utah State.........

[Mr. Hawk]

Sometimes people forget that Iowa's defense has given up an average of 22 points to the crappy teams on their schedule who aren't going to a bowl game.
Crappy Kansas who also isn't going to a bowl game scored 20 last night on the jewel of the Big 12, Texas, who is also going to play for the national championship.

[Mo T]

I disagree. The Hawks have only allowed that many points twice all year.

And Boise has scored 45+ 8 times this year.

We can beat Boise, but they will score on us. Moore would be by far the best passing QB we have played all year.

Iowa aint Idaho, Utah State.........

and Boise State isn't UNI, Arkansas St, Indiana, Michigan.

[funnelcake]

plus the only good team they played, oregon, they only scored 19 pts- and Iowa has a much better defense than oregon

[Mr. Hawk]

plus the only good team they played, oregon, they only scored 19 pts- and Iowa has a much better defense than oregon
correct.

[SL]

Sometimes people forget that Iowa's defense has given up an average of 22 points to the crappy teams on their schedule who aren't going to a bowl game.

What is the average pts Iowa has given up to the better teams in the Big 10? You know, the teams going to bowl games.

[funnelcake]

And Boise has scored 45+ 8 times this year.

We can beat Boise, but they will score on us. Moore would be by far the best passing QB we have played all year.

Iowa aint Idaho, Utah State.........

and Boise State isn't UNI, Arkansas St, Indiana, Michigan.

LOL......when ESPN is talking up Boise's need to get past their tough test against utah state, it is not quite the same (wink)

[Verbal]

Sometimes people forget that Iowa's defense has given up an average of 22 points to the crappy teams on their schedule who aren't going to a bowl game.

What is the average pts Iowa has given up to the better teams in the Big 10? You know, the teams going to bowl games.

Ohio State -27 (in OT, FWIW)
Northwestern - 17
Wisconsin - 10
Michigan State - 13
Penn State - 10
Minnesota - 0

Average: 12.8 points

[SL]

Sometimes people forget that Iowa's defense has given up an average of 22 points to the crappy teams on their schedule who aren't going to a bowl game.

What is the average pts Iowa has given up to the better teams in the Big 10? You know, the teams going to bowl games.

Ohio State -27 (in OT, FWIW)
Northwestern - 17
Wisconsin - 10
Michigan State - 13
Penn State - 10
Minnesota - 0

Average: 12.8 points

And I think it's important to point out that 4 of those games were on the road.

[Mo T]

I'm not sure Iowa goes undefeated playing Boise St.'s schedule.

[funnelcake]

Sometimes people forget that Iowa's defense has given up an average of 22 points to the crappy teams on their schedule who aren't going to a bowl game.

What is the average pts Iowa has given up to the better teams in the Big 10? You know, the teams going to bowl games.

Ohio State -27 (in OT, FWIW)
Northwestern - 17
Wisconsin - 10
Michigan State - 13
Penn State - 10
Minnesota - 0

Average: 12.8 points

now, take out the points where the Defense wasn't on the field.......(wink)

[funnelcake]

I'm not sure Iowa goes undefeated playing Boise St.'s schedule.

and I'm pretty sure that Boise doesn't go 10-2 with Iowa's schedule......

[Wild Onion]

I'm not sure Iowa goes undefeated playing Boise St.'s schedule.

I'm not sure either, but they probably would.

[Mo T]

I'm not sure Iowa goes undefeated playing Boise St.'s schedule.

and I'm pretty sure that Boise doesn't go 10-2 with Iowa's schedule......

Really? I don't think it's that far-fetched.

[funnelcake]

I'm not sure Iowa goes undefeated playing Boise St.'s schedule.

and I'm pretty sure that Boise doesn't go 10-2 with Iowa's schedule......

Really? I don't think it's that far-fetched.

yes it is, IMO- they dont play the defenses week in week out that they would play, they are not near physical enough either

[Aloha Mr. Hand]

Sometimes people forget that Iowa's defense has given up an average of 22 points to the crappy teams on their schedule who aren't going to a bowl game.
Crappy Kansas who also isn't going to a bowl game scored 20 last night on the jewel of the Big 12, Texas, who is also going to play for the national championship.

Or the 19 allowed by Florida against Mississippi State. Or the 21 TCU ("the best team in Texas") gave up at home to Texas State. Or the 45 (45!) points Cincinnati gave up at home to Connecticut.

[Bovert]

plus the only good team they played, oregon, they only scored 19 pts- and Iowa has a much better defense than oregon

Classic argument here. Iowa's near loss to UNI can be chalked up to it being game 1 of the season and doesn't mean anything but Boise only scoring 19 in their first game proves that BCS school defenses can shut them down and is very meaningful.

I'm convinced!!!

[Bovert]

Sometimes people forget that Iowa's defense has given up an average of 22 points to the crappy teams on their schedule who aren't going to a bowl game.
Crappy Kansas who also isn't going to a bowl game scored 20 last night on the jewel of the Big 12, Texas, who is also going to play for the national championship.

Or the 19 allowed by Florida against Mississippi State. Or the 21 TCU ("the best team in Texas") gave up at home to Texas State. Or the 45 (45!) points Cincinnati gave up at home to Connecticut.

You don't see any difference between Mo pointing out how much Iowa's D gave up on average over a span of games and you pointing out single game occurrences?

[funnelcake]

plus the only good team they played, oregon, they only scored 19 pts- and Iowa has a much better defense than oregon

Classic argument here. Iowa's near loss to UNI can be chalked up to it being game 1 of the season and doesn't mean anything but Boise only scoring 19 in their first game proves that BCS school defenses can shut them down and is very meaningful.

I'm convinced!!!

well, it's the only BCS defense they faced douche-are you trying to point out that Iowa has nothing else to hang it's hat on other than barely beating UNI.

I really dont care whether you are convinced or not- you have been this way all year regardless of the argument

[Mo T]

and I'm pretty sure that Boise doesn't go 10-2 with Iowa's schedule......

Really? I don't think it's that far-fetched.

yes it is, IMO- they dont play the defenses week in week out that they would play

You mean the 7 Big Ten defenses ranked 45th or lower in YPG. (Oregon 30th by example, K-State 41, Missouri 43)

The 3 Big Ten defenses that are ranked lower than 80th in the country?

[Mr. Hawk]

I'm not sure Iowa goes undefeated playing Boise St.'s schedule.

and I'm pretty sure that Boise doesn't go 10-2 with Iowa's schedule......

Really? I don't think it's that far-fetched.It's ridiculously far fetched.

[funnelcake]

Really? I don't think it's that far-fetched.

yes it is, IMO- they dont play the defenses week in week out that they would play

You mean the 7 Big Ten defenses ranked 45th or lower in YPG. (Oregon 30th by example, K-State 41, Missouri 43)

The 3 Big Ten defenses that are ranked lower than 80th in the country?

yet all are still better than the defenses that Boise plays week in week out

[Bovert]

plus the only good team they played, oregon, they only scored 19 pts- and Iowa has a much better defense than oregon

Classic argument here. Iowa's near loss to UNI can be chalked up to it being game 1 of the season and doesn't mean anything but Boise only scoring 19 in their first game proves that BCS school defenses can shut them down and is very meaningful.

I'm convinced!!!

well, it's the only BCS defense they faced douche-are you trying to point out that Iowa has nothing else to hang it's hat on other than barely beating UNI.

I really dont care whether you are convinced or not- you have been this way all year regardless of the argument

And UNI is the only FCS team Iowa has faced, so I guess that means Iowa would struggle against all FCS teams.

[Mr. Hawk]

Really? I don't think it's that far-fetched.

yes it is, IMO- they dont play the defenses week in week out that they would play

You mean the 7 Big Ten defenses ranked 45th or lower in YPG. (Oregon 30th by example, K-State 41, Missouri 43)

The 3 Big Ten defenses that are ranked lower than 80th in the country?
I swear to god that the Big 12, sports talk radio and fantasy football are going to ultimately kill all semblance of understanding of sports in this country.

Do you understand that if the Alabama-Birmingham offense has the most yards in college football this year, it does not make them them the best offense in college football?

holy god. am I the only one that understands this relatively simple concept? It seems like I have to explain it again EVERY FUCKING YEAR.

[Mo T]

and I'm pretty sure that Boise doesn't go 10-2 with Iowa's schedule......

Really? I don't think it's that far-fetched.It's ridiculously far fetched.


They may lose at Penn St and at Ohio St. Where are the other losses?

They beat a team who beat Arizona

At Wisconsin? BS beat Fresno at Fresno by 17. Wisconsin beat Fresno at home by 3

At Mich State? Mich St has beaten one team with a winning record

Northwestern? Boise St does not lose to Northwestern at home

[funnelcake]

Classic argument here. Iowa's near loss to UNI can be chalked up to it being game 1 of the season and doesn't mean anything but Boise only scoring 19 in their first game proves that BCS school defenses can shut them down and is very meaningful.

I'm convinced!!!

well, it's the only BCS defense they faced douche-are you trying to point out that Iowa has nothing else to hang it's hat on other than barely beating UNI.

I really dont care whether you are convinced or not- you have been this way all year regardless of the argument

And UNI is the only FCS team Iowa has faced, so I guess that means Iowa would struggle against all FCS teams.

yes- they obviously would

[Bovert]

yes it is, IMO- they dont play the defenses week in week out that they would play

You mean the 7 Big Ten defenses ranked 45th or lower in YPG. (Oregon 30th by example, K-State 41, Missouri 43)

The 3 Big Ten defenses that are ranked lower than 80th in the country?
I swear to god that the Big 12, sports talk radio and fantasy football are going to ultimately kill all semblance of understanding of sports in this country.

Do you understand that if the Alabama-Birmingham offense has the most yards in college football this year, it does not make them them the best offense in college football?

holy god. am I the only one that understands this relatively simple concept? It seems like I have to explain it again EVERY EFFING YEAR.

So honest question, do you think Boise has a better offense than any team Iowa has faced this year? If not, who has a better one?

[Bovert]

well, it's the only BCS defense they faced douche-are you trying to point out that Iowa has nothing else to hang it's hat on other than barely beating UNI.

I really dont care whether you are convinced or not- you have been this way all year regardless of the argument

And UNI is the only FCS team Iowa has faced, so I guess that means Iowa would struggle against all FCS teams.

yes- they obviously would

I'll take this as you realizing how nonsensical your argument was.

[funnelcake]

yes it is, IMO- they dont play the defenses week in week out that they would play

You mean the 7 Big Ten defenses ranked 45th or lower in YPG. (Oregon 30th by example, K-State 41, Missouri 43)

The 3 Big Ten defenses that are ranked lower than 80th in the country?
I swear to god that the Big 12, sports talk radio and fantasy football are going to ultimately kill all semblance of understanding of sports in this country.

Do you understand that if the Alabama-Birmingham offense has the most yards in college football this year, it does not make them them the best offense in college football?

holy god. am I the only one that understands this relatively simple concept? It seems like I have to explain it again EVERY FUCKING YEAR.

no, you are not the only one who understands this

[funnelcake]

And UNI is the only FCS team Iowa has faced, so I guess that means Iowa would struggle against all FCS teams.

yes- they obviously would

I'll take this as you realizing how nonsensical your argument was.

I know you will

[Mo T]

yes it is, IMO- they dont play the defenses week in week out that they would play

You mean the 7 Big Ten defenses ranked 45th or lower in YPG. (Oregon 30th by example, K-State 41, Missouri 43)

The 3 Big Ten defenses that are ranked lower than 80th in the country?
I swear to god that the Big 12, sports talk radio and fantasy football are going to ultimately kill all semblance of understanding of sports in this country.

Do you understand that if the Alabama-Birmingham offense has the most yards in college football this year, it does not make them them the best offense in college football?

holy god. am I the only one that understands this relatively simple concept? It seems like I have to explain it again EVERY FUCKING YEAR.

Besides the top 4 defenses, the rest of the defenses in the Big Ten are mediocre at best. Why is it that hard to understand that relatively simple concept?

[Mr. Hawk]

I can't handle this anymore.

[funnelcake]

You mean the 7 Big Ten defenses ranked 45th or lower in YPG. (Oregon 30th by example, K-State 41, Missouri 43)

The 3 Big Ten defenses that are ranked lower than 80th in the country?
I swear to god that the Big 12, sports talk radio and fantasy football are going to ultimately kill all semblance of understanding of sports in this country.

Do you understand that if the Alabama-Birmingham offense has the most yards in college football this year, it does not make them them the best offense in college football?

holy god. am I the only one that understands this relatively simple concept? It seems like I have to explain it again EVERY EFFING YEAR.

So honest question, do you think Boise has a better offense than any team Iowa has faced this year? If not, who has a better one?

the problem is we don't know how good they really are bovert? they could be awesome based on the numbers they put up against LAtech, Utah State, Idaho, or they could be like NW- good can gain yards but doesn't necessarily translate to wins against better defenses.

[MikeyJoe]

You mean the 7 Big Ten defenses ranked 45th or lower in YPG. (Oregon 30th by example, K-State 41, Missouri 43)

The 3 Big Ten defenses that are ranked lower than 80th in the country?
I swear to god that the Big 12, sports talk radio and fantasy football are going to ultimately kill all semblance of understanding of sports in this country.

Do you understand that if the Alabama-Birmingham offense has the most yards in college football this year, it does not make them them the best offense in college football?

holy god. am I the only one that understands this relatively simple concept? It seems like I have to explain it again EVERY FUCKING YEAR.

Besides the top 4 defenses, the rest of the defenses in the Big Ten are mediocre at best. Why is it that hard to understand that relatively simple concept?
And it's fine for you to think that.

But it absolutely sports retarded for you to at the exact same time pretend that Boise has played anything remotely resembling a difficult schedule. If you want to discount Iowa's wins over Wisconsin, Michigan State, Penn State, etc. That's fine. But don't at the same time expect anyone to take you seriously when you're holding up as evidence 52 points scored against teams like Utah State.

I'm not saying the Big 10 is awesome. I'm saying it's stupid to try and say Iowa played a weak schedule and then expect anyone to take Boise's schedule seriously.

[Bovert]

I can't handle this anymore.

I agree. A couple weeks ago the general consensus on this board was that we better not meet Oregon in the Rose Bowl because their offense would light us up. Now the general consensus is that we would blow out a team that beat Oregon and held their unstoppable offense to 8 points.

It really is kinda silly.

[MikeyJoe]

And UNI is the only FCS team Iowa has faced, so I guess that means Iowa would struggle against all FCS teams.

yes- they obviously would

I'll take this as you realizing how nonsensical your argument was.
Do you not realize that the "struggled in 1 game" argument you're deriding is no different than relying on the 1 win over Oregon as support for the fact that Boise could go 12-0 in a BCS conference?

[Bovert]

yes- they obviously would

I'll take this as you realizing how nonsensical your argument was.
Do you not realize that the "struggled in 1 game" argument you're deriding is no different than relying on the 1 win over Oregon as support for the fact that Boise could go 12-0 in a BCS conference?

I'm not involved in the Boise 12-0 with our schedule argument. I was responding to the ones who calimed that Boise couldn't score 24 on us because they only scored 19 againnst Oregon.

[Mr. Hawk]

I can't handle this anymore.

I agree. A couple weeks ago the general consensus on this board was that we better not meet Oregon in the Rose Bowl because their offense would light us up. Now the general consensus is that we would blow out a team that beat Oregon and held their unstoppable offense to 8 points.

It really is kinda silly.
No, that was not the "general consensus".

And for the love of all that is holy, are you aware that Arizona and Oregon played less than 18 hours ago?

[Legend12]

If the Big Ten wasn't down this season, this argument would be entertaining.

[Bovert]

I swear to god that the Big 12, sports talk radio and fantasy football are going to ultimately kill all semblance of understanding of sports in this country.

Do you understand that if the Alabama-Birmingham offense has the most yards in college football this year, it does not make them them the best offense in college football?

holy god. am I the only one that understands this relatively simple concept? It seems like I have to explain it again EVERY EFFING YEAR.

So honest question, do you think Boise has a better offense than any team Iowa has faced this year? If not, who has a better one?

the problem is we don't know how good they really are bovert? they could be awesome based on the numbers they put up against LAtech, Utah State, Idaho, or they could be like NW- good can gain yards but doesn't necessarily translate to wins against better defenses.

I realize we don't know how good their team really is. But I believe it's obvious they have a good offense, better than any team we have faced this year. And I believe their tricky passing offense would be successful against our vanilla defense. So I think they would score 24+ on us. I still think we would beat them however.

[Mr. Hawk]

By the way, Wartburg has more total offense than USC this season, and thus a far more powerful offense. I don't see how USC's defense could stop Wartburg's juggernaut offense should the two teams meet.

Just in case you guys are doing your weekly Top 25 rankings this morning. Keep these very important stats in mind.

[Gushawk]

A few things:

1. Boise doesn't go 10-2 with our schedule. They just don't. They basically are Purdue with a slightly better QB and receivers.

2. We may not go undefeated with Boise's schedule. We'd probably play 4-5 "close" games and there's a chance we'd lose one of them.

3. Cincinatti is better than Boise, but I don't think they go 3-1 (with only an overtime loss) at PSU, Wisconsin, MSU and Ohio State. When you step back for a moment, that's a helluvan accomplishment, boyz.

4. I think it makes a huge difference in this "debate" whether we're talking about 11/20/09 Iowa or 1/1/2010 Iowa. We'll mount a Bowl team capable of playing with anyone in the land. Boise will not. Cincinatti's ability to do so is questionable.

[Bovert]

By the way, Wartburg has more total offense than USC this season, and thus a far more powerful offense. I don't see how USC's defense could stop Wartburg's juggernaut offense should the two teams meet.

Just in case you guys are doing your weekly Top 25 rankings this morning. Keep these very important stats in mind.

So you don't think Boise has a better offense than the teams we have played this year then. Who has a better one, IYO (asking while knowing you won't answer again)?

[Gushawk]

PSU's offense shreds shitty defenses at least as efficiently as Boise's does.

Yeah, they lit us up like a Christmas tree didn't they?

[MikeyJoe]

By the way, Wartburg has more total offense than USC this season, and thus a far more powerful offense. I don't see how USC's defense could stop Wartburg's juggernaut offense should the two teams meet.

Just in case you guys are doing your weekly Top 25 rankings this morning. Keep these very important stats in mind.

So you don't think Boise has a better offense than the teams we have played this year then. Who has a better one, IYO (asking while knowing you won't answer again)?
Penn State
Ohio State
Michigan

At least.

[Bovert]

By the way, Wartburg has more total offense than USC this season, and thus a far more powerful offense. I don't see how USC's defense could stop Wartburg's juggernaut offense should the two teams meet.

Just in case you guys are doing your weekly Top 25 rankings this morning. Keep these very important stats in mind.

So you don't think Boise has a better offense than the teams we have played this year then. Who has a better one, IYO (asking while knowing you won't answer again)?
Penn State
Ohio State
Michigan

At least.

I disagree, but respect your opinion.

[Mr. Hawk]

By the way, Wartburg has more total offense than USC this season, and thus a far more powerful offense. I don't see how USC's defense could stop Wartburg's juggernaut offense should the two teams meet.

Just in case you guys are doing your weekly Top 25 rankings this morning. Keep these very important stats in mind.

So you don't think Boise has a better offense than the teams we have played this year then. Who has a better one, IYO (asking while knowing you won't answer again)?
I think there are 5 or 6 teams in the Big Ten who would regularly put up Boise St. numbers against powerhouse WAC defenses like Hawaii, Idaho, San Jose State et all.

[Bovert]

By the way, Wartburg has more total offense than USC this season, and thus a far more powerful offense. I don't see how USC's defense could stop Wartburg's juggernaut offense should the two teams meet.

Just in case you guys are doing your weekly Top 25 rankings this morning. Keep these very important stats in mind.

So you don't think Boise has a better offense than the teams we have played this year then. Who has a better one, IYO (asking while knowing you won't answer again)?
I think there are 5 or 6 teams in the Big Ten who would regularly put up Boise St. numbers against powerhouse WAC defenses like Hawaii, Idaho, San Jose State et all.

I disagree but respect your opinion even though you still didn't answer the question.

[Edgecrusher7711]

So you don't think Boise has a better offense than the teams we have played this year then. Who has a better one, IYO (asking while knowing you won't answer again)?
I think there are 5 or 6 teams in the Big Ten who would regularly put up Boise St. numbers against powerhouse WAC defenses like Hawaii, Idaho, San Jose State et all.

I disagree but respect your opinion even though you still didn't answer the question.

You don't think a bunch of Big 10 teams would put crazy numbers against those D's? Really?

[Mr. Hawk]

I thought we gauged offenses based on yardage and points scored? That's certaily Mo's argument. If so, I did answer the question.

[PlannedSickDays]

per Keeler vioa twitter

Early Palmster BCS projection has Iowa at No. 11 in today's standings. Also: Tex 3, TCU 4, Cincy 5, Pitt 9, OSU 10, OkSt 12, PSU 13.

[Monster]

There's a lot of stupidity in this thread. I've watched several Boise State games, as well as Cincy games. Neither team would be able to hang with Iowa's front lines. The Hawks would beat the dog shit out of these teams up front. Sure, they might try some trickeration, and score a fluke TD, but they're gimmick teams playing Mickey Mouse schedules.

[Edgecrusher7711]

There's a lot of stupidity in this thread. I've watched several Boise State games, as well as Cincy games. Neither team would be able to hang with Iowa's front lines. The Hawks would beat the dog shit out of these teams up front. Sure, they might try some trickeration, and score a fluke TD, but they're gimmick teams playing Mickey Mouse schedules.

Flashy numbers tend to blind people.

[Bovert]

There's a lot of stupidity in this thread. I've watched several Boise State games, as well as Cincy games. Neither team would be able to hang with Iowa's front lines. The Hawks would beat the dog shit out of these teams up front. Sure, they might try some trickeration, and score a fluke TD, but they're gimmick teams playing Mickey Mouse schedules.

Disagreeing with your expert opinion = stupidity. LOL.

[PlannedSickDays]

Boise is going to lose to Nevada this Friday so all of this is moot

[Bovert]

There's a lot of stupidity in this thread. I've watched several Boise State games, as well as Cincy games. Neither team would be able to hang with Iowa's front lines. The Hawks would beat the dog shit out of these teams up front. Sure, they might try some trickeration, and score a fluke TD, but they're gimmick teams playing Mickey Mouse schedules.

Flashy numbers tend to blind people.

Well our lines are surely more dominant than Oklahoma's lines in 2007 when Boise ran for 100+, held Adrian Peterson to 3.9 ypc, and scored 5 fluke regulation TDs and 1 fluke overtime TD

[Mo T]

There's a lot of stupidity in this thread. I've watched several Boise State games, as well as Cincy games. Neither team would be able to hang with Iowa's front lines. The Hawks would beat the dog shit out of these teams up front. Sure, they might try some trickeration, and score a fluke TD, but they're gimmick teams playing Mickey Mouse schedules.

Might as well throw in TCU, too. They play the same Mickey Mouse schedule. There is no way they could hang with Iowa either.

Do you think Vegas would have Iowa as a favorite against these three teams?

[Monster]

There's a lot of stupidity in this thread. I've watched several Boise State games, as well as Cincy games. Neither team would be able to hang with Iowa's front lines. The Hawks would beat the dog shit out of these teams up front. Sure, they might try some trickeration, and score a fluke TD, but they're gimmick teams playing Mickey Mouse schedules.

Might as well throw in TCU, too. They play the same Mickey Mouse schedule. There is no way they could hang with Iowa either.

Do you think Vegas would have Iowa as a favorite against these three teams?

Mo, Vegas oddsmakers really aren't interested in favoring the team they think can actually win the game.

More cluelessness.

[Mo T]

Boise is going to lose to Nevada this Friday so all of this is moot

No kidding. If the mighty Missouri Tigers can beat Nevada, at their place, there is no way Boise can do it.

[Wild Onion]

They may lose at Penn St and at Ohio St. Where are the other losses?

They beat a team who beat ArizonaYet Iowa themselves beat Arizona convincinglyAt Wisconsin? BS beat Fresno at Fresno by 17. Wisconsin beat Fresno at home by 3

At Mich State? Mich St has beaten one team with a winning recordIF Boise St. had played at MSU the same night as Iowa, Boise would have left several dead bodies behind.

Northwestern? Boise St does not lose to Northwestern at homeYou're certainly welcome to think that, but I wholeheartedly disagree.

It saddens me to see such little regard for the rigors of playing an 8-game Big Ten schedule. I'm not sure a team like Boise could even sail through Illinois, Indiana and Purdue, much less the rest of the conference.

[Mo T]

There's a lot of stupidity in this thread. I've watched several Boise State games, as well as Cincy games. Neither team would be able to hang with Iowa's front lines. The Hawks would beat the dog shit out of these teams up front. Sure, they might try some trickeration, and score a fluke TD, but they're gimmick teams playing Mickey Mouse schedules.

Might as well throw in TCU, too. They play the same Mickey Mouse schedule. There is no way they could hang with Iowa either.

Do you think Vegas would have Iowa as a favorite against these three teams?

Mo, Vegas oddsmakers really aren't interested in favoring the team they think can actually win the game.

More cluelessness.

I understand how oddsmakers work. But, why don't you answer the question.

[PlannedSickDays]

Boise is going to lose to Nevada this Friday so all of this is moot

No kidding. If the mighty Missouri Tigers can beat Nevada, at their place, there is no way Boise can do it.

Nevada has won 8 in a row and averaging something like 400 yards rushing a game. It's going to be a good game.

[Mr. Hawk]

I understand how oddsmakers work. But, why don't you answer the question.Because to someone who understands how oddmakers work, the question in this context is silly?

[Edgecrusher7711]

It saddens me to see such little regard for the rigors of playing an 8-game Big Ten schedule. I'm not sure a team like Boise could even sail through Illinois, Indiana and Purdue, much less the rest of the conference.

They keep ignoring this.

[Mr. Hawk]

It saddens me to see such little regard for the rigors of playing an 8-game Big Ten schedule. I'm not sure a team like Boise could even sail through Illinois, Indiana and Purdue, much less the rest of the conference.

They keep ignoring this.
Because it's all about national total offense ranking!

[Monster]

I understand how oddsmakers work. But, why don't you answer the question.Because to someone who understands how oddmakers work, the question in this context is silly?

+1

It really makes no difference at all who Vegas would favor. None at all.

[Verbal]

I'm not sure a team like Boise could even sail through Illinois, Indiana and Purdue, much less the rest of the conference.

I think Purdue would kick the shit outta Boise.

[Mo T]

It saddens me to see such little regard for the rigors of playing an 8-game Big Ten schedule. I'm not sure a team like Boise could even sail through Illinois, Indiana and Purdue, much less the rest of the conference.

They keep ignoring this.

People were saying the same thing about Gonzaga basketball for the last 10 years, too.

[Monster]

I would actually LOVE to see Iowa play BSU. It would be a pleasure to see Clayborn beat their fatass tackle around the end and literally break their pansy QB in half. Have you seen BSU's QB? Physically, I don't know how he's a D1 athlete.

[Aloha Mr. Hand]

Crappy Kansas who also isn't going to a bowl game scored 20 last night on the jewel of the Big 12, Texas, who is also going to play for the national championship.

Or the 19 allowed by Florida against Mississippi State. Or the 21 TCU ("the best team in Texas") gave up at home to Texas State. Or the 45 (45!) points Cincinnati gave up at home to Connecticut.

You don't see any difference between Mo pointing out how much Iowa's D gave up on average over a span of games and you pointing out single game occurrences?

I have no clue what his reasoning is. It seems to vary.

[Verbal]

People were saying the same thing about Gonzaga basketball for the last 10 years, too.

The same Gonzaga basketball team that gets rolled by the first good team it plays in the NCAAs almost every year?

[Mo T]

Have you seen BSU's QB? Physically, I don't know how he's a D1 athlete.

Moore 6-0 187 as a sophomore
Drew Tate 6-0 192 as a senior

[Aloha Mr. Hand]

Yikes. Boise starts one OT who is a 6'5", 255 lb freshman.

I'll take Adrian Clayborn for the win, Peter.

[Monster]

Have you seen BSU's QB? Physically, I don't know how he's a D1 athlete.

Moore 6-0 187 as a sophomore
Drew Tate 6-0 192 as a senior

There's no way that skinny little queer weighs 187.

http://collegefootballperformance.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/320_Kellen_Moore.jpg

[Mo T]

People were saying the same thing about Gonzaga basketball for the last 10 years, too.

The same Gonzaga basketball team that gets rolled by the first good team it plays in the NCAAs almost every year?

Almost every year? They have done fairly well against better seeded teams in the tourney

[Verbal]

People were saying the same thing about Gonzaga basketball for the last 10 years, too.

The same Gonzaga basketball team that gets rolled by the first good team it plays in the NCAAs almost every year?

Almost every year? They have done fairly well against better seeded teams in the tourney

Year Record Postseason
1993-94 22-8 (12-2) NIT: Beat Stanford 80-76
Lost to Kansas State 66-64
1994-95 21-9 (7-7) NCAA: Lost #3 Maryland 87-63
1995-96 21-9 (10-4) NIT: Lost to Washington State 92-73
1996-97 15-12 (8-6) none
1997-98 24-10 (10-4) NIT: Beat Wyoming 69-55
Lost to Hawaii 78-70
1998-99 28-7 (12-2) NCAA: Beat #7 Minnesota 75-63
Beat #2 Stanford 82-74
Beat #6 Florida 73-72
Lost to #1 UConn 67-62
1999-2000 26-9 (11-3) NCAA: Beat #7 Louisville 77-66
Beat #2 St. John's 82-76
Lost to #6 Purdue 75-66
2000-01 26-7 (13-1) NCAA: Beat #5 Virginia 86-85
Beat #13 Indiana State 85-68
Lost to #1 Michigan State 77-62
2001-02 29-4 (13-1) NCAA: Lost to #11 Wyoming 73-66
2002-03 24-9 (12-2) NCAA: Beat #8 Cincinnati 74-69
Lost to #1 Arizona 96-95 (2ot)
2003-04 28-3 (14-0) NCAA: Beat #15 Valparaiso 76-49
Lost to #10 Nevada 91-72
2004-05 26-5 (12-2) NCAA: Beat #14 Winthrop 74-64
Lost to #6 Texas Tech 71-69
2005-06 29-4 (14-0) NCAA: Beat #14 Xavier 79-75
Beat #6 Indiana 90-80
Lost to #2 UCLA 73-71
2006-07 23-11 (11-3) NCAA: Lost to #7 Indiana 70-57
2007-08 25-8 (13-1) NCAA: Lost to #10 Davidson 82-76
2008-09 28-6 (14-0) NCAA: Beat #13 Akron 77-64
Beat #12 Western Kentucky 83-81
Lost to #1 North Carolina 98-77


Under Monson from 99-01, they did a decent job. Since then, no. Last time they beat a higher seeded team was 2003, and that was as a #9 over a #8.

[PipeDaddy]

I've been roundly criticized for it, but I'll throw it out there again - if Iowa plays Cincy right now we'd lose by 17 points.

You're rightly criticized for it. It's insane. This Iowa team doesn't know how to lose by 17 points. It's been over 25 months since Iowa last lost by double digits.
pipedaddy is retarded. iowa would beat cincy 24-10.

So people can use the "Boise only beat such and such by this amount" with Boise, but when someone tries to use the same line against Iowa (Iowa only beat UNI on a fluke and a bad Michigan team on a fluke, etc.) then it doesn't count? Got it.

If Iowa played Cincy right now they would lose by a minimum of two TDs. In January that could change.

But people forget... the last three weeks we have played some bad teams, ultra conservative teams, or both. Our D would get very, very tired if we played Cincy right now. You did watch them sucking wind at the beginning of the 4th quarter against OSU, right?

[PipeDaddy]

It saddens me to see such little regard for the rigors of playing an 8-game Big Ten schedule. I'm not sure a team like Boise could even sail through Illinois, Indiana and Purdue, much less the rest of the conference.

They keep ignoring this.
Because it's all about national total offense ranking!

Playing Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, and Minnesota this season isn't rigorous. Sorry. They are all below average to bad.

[Wild Onion]

If Iowa played Cincy right now they would lose by a minimum of two TDs. In January that could change.

But people forget... the last three weeks we have played some bad teams, ultra conservative teams, or both. Our D would get very, very tired if we played Cincy right now. You did watch them sucking wind at the beginning of the 4th quarter against OSU, right?

Just like how the Hawks got rolled @OSU?

I have every reason to believe that the Hawks would give Cincy a game.

[SL]

If Iowa played Cincy right now they would lose by a minimum of two TDs.

What have you seen from Iowa's defense this year that makes you think they would allow Iowa to be outscored by a minimum of two TDs?

[funnelcake]

They keep ignoring this.
Because it's all about national total offense ranking!

Playing Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, and Minnesota this season isn't rigorous. Sorry. They are all below average to bad.

still one of the tougher schedules in the nation though

[funnelcake]

If Iowa played Cincy right now they would lose by a minimum of two TDs.

What have you seen from Iowa's defense this year that makes you think they would allow Iowa to be outscored by a minimum of two TDs?

Have you not seen how impressive Cincy looks, how fast they are....dude they are like SEC fast.....Iowa couldn't compete

[MickerHawk]

Are people forgetting the Iowa - Arizona game?

Arizona could do no better than 10 pts to Iowa's 27 until a garbage-time TD with less than 2 minutes to go.

That same Arizona team matched Oregon's offense (who most in the nation would say is the most explosive offense this year) pretty easily...Arizona even led Oregon until late in the 4th quarter and then only lost the game in the 2nd OT. They don't even have Arizona ranked but clearly 'Zona should be.

I don't think there is a single team in the nation that can blow out Iowa in a bowl game. USC was the last time you could say this happened , and that was after Kirk admittedly treated the game as mostly fun and they didn't prepare much for it.

Remember how good Texas was in 2006? Iowa led that game by 2 TDs in the first quarter, and that was at essentially a home game for Texas.

[Edgecrusher7711]

They keep ignoring this.
Because it's all about national total offense ranking!

Playing Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, and Minnesota this season isn't rigorous. Sorry. They are all below average to bad.

OMG....

Compared to Bowling Green, UC Davis, Tulsa, Hawaii, San Jose State, Louisiana Tech, Idaho, Utah State, New Mexico State.

Seriously!?! Now thats fucking below average to bad. You guys need to say this shit out loud as you're typing it.

[PipeDaddy]

If Iowa played Cincy right now they would lose by a minimum of two TDs. In January that could change.

But people forget... the last three weeks we have played some bad teams, ultra conservative teams, or both. Our D would get very, very tired if we played Cincy right now. You did watch them sucking wind at the beginning of the 4th quarter against OSU, right?

Just like how the Hawks got rolled @OSU?

I have every reason to believe that the Hawks would give Cincy a game.

The defense isnt' getting the turnovers they once were. How many kicks can DJK run back in a single game? Are you watching the same offense I'm watching?

Cincy doesn't need to be an offensive juggernaut to beat us by 14 points right now. It could only take 24 points or so to accomplish that task.

[Mo T]

I don't think anyone is really arguing Boise State's schedule is weak. However, they are beating these teams by an average of 30 points. What more can they do with what they are given?

[PipeDaddy]

Because it's all about national total offense ranking!

Playing Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, and Minnesota this season isn't rigorous. Sorry. They are all below average to bad.

OMG....

Compared to Bowling Green, UC Davis, Tulsa, Hawaii, San Jose State, Louisiana Tech, Idaho, Utah State, New Mexico State.

Seriously!?! Now thats fucking below average to bad. You guys need to say this shit out loud as you're typing it.

I wasn't arguing that the Big Ten isnt' as good as that conference. Simply saying that the Big Ten's schedule this season isn't as rigorous as it has been in the past.

[Edgecrusher7711]

I don't think anyone is really arguing Boise State's schedule is weak. However, they are beating these teams by an average of 30 points. What more can they do with what they are given?

Pipe just said Iowa played a bunch of below average to bad teams. I just showed him a team that actually did play a bunch of below average to bad teams. Once again showing on easy Boise had it. I don't care how bad they beat teams. I can't compare them to teams that have had legit competition week in and week out. They've done very well playing most BCS teams non-conference schedule.

[Edgecrusher7711]

Playing Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, and Minnesota this season isn't rigorous. Sorry. They are all below average to bad.

OMG....

Compared to Bowling Green, UC Davis, Tulsa, Hawaii, San Jose State, Louisiana Tech, Idaho, Utah State, New Mexico State.

Seriously!?! Now thats fucking below average to bad. You guys need to say this shit out loud as you're typing it.

I wasn't arguing that the Big Ten isnt' as good as that conference. Simply saying that the Big Ten's schedule this season isn't as rigorous as it has been in the past.

You called them below average to bad teams. I showed you a schedule that was full of below average to bad teams. Playing Iowa's schedule is a much, much, much bigger test than Boise's.

[Edgecrusher7711]

How can people not see that beating 10 of 4 really good teams, 4 average teams and 4 bad teams is much more impressive than beating 1 really good team and butt pounding 2-3 okay teams and 8 crap teams?

[Mr. Hawk]

These threads separate who understands the game of football, and who watches ESPN a lot.

[funnelcake]

I don't think anyone is really arguing Boise State's schedule is weak. However, they are beating these teams by an average of 30 points. What more can they do with what they are given?

nothing, but to say that they would roll IOWA or that what they are given is comparable to IOWA is silly and that is what we are arguing.

[Mo T]

These threads separate who understands the game of football, and who watches ESPN a lot.

That must be it.

Throughout the past 25 years, we have learned that if a team is not from a BCS conference, there's no possible way they can be good, or even compete with the BCS schools.

Remember when the mighty Big Ten second or third place team would play in the Holiday Bowl against the lowly WAC teams..... Those are three of Iowa's most memorable bowl games. Against, BYU, Wyoming and San Diego St.

[Edgecrusher7711]

These threads separate who understands the game of football, and who watches ESPN a lot.

That must be it.

Throughout the past 25 years, we have learned that if a team is not from a BCS conference, there's no possible way they can be good, or even compete with the BCS schools.

Remember when the mighty Big Ten second or third place team would play in the Holiday Bowl against the lowly WAC teams..... Those are three of Iowa's most memorable bowl games. Against, BYU, Wyoming and San Diego St.

Once again you are not listening.

[funnelcake]

If Iowa played Cincy right now they would lose by a minimum of two TDs. In January that could change.

But people forget... the last three weeks we have played some bad teams, ultra conservative teams, or both. Our D would get very, very tired if we played Cincy right now. You did watch them sucking wind at the beginning of the 4th quarter against OSU, right?

Just like how the Hawks got rolled @OSU?

I have every reason to believe that the Hawks would give Cincy a game.

The defense isnt' getting the turnovers they once were. How many kicks can DJK run back in a single game? Are you watching the same offense I'm watching?

Cincy doesn't need to be an offensive juggernaut to beat us by 14 points right now. It could only take 24 points or so to accomplish that task.

No one needs to be an offensive juggernaut, it wouldn't take much for anyone to do it......yet no one has......and to think that Cincy would do it easily is silly.

[Mo T]

I don't think anyone is really arguing Boise State's schedule is weak. However, they are beating these teams by an average of 30 points. What more can they do with what they are given?

nothing, but to say that they would roll IOWA or that what they are given is comparable to IOWA is silly and that is what we are arguing.


I never said they would roll Iowa. I said it would take Iowa 27 points to win the game, which I thought they would.

[funnelcake]

These threads separate who understands the game of football, and who watches ESPN a lot.

That must be it.

Throughout the past 25 years, we have learned that if a team is not from a BCS conference, there's no possible way they can be good, or even compete with the BCS schools.

Remember when the mighty Big Ten second or third place team would play in the Holiday Bowl against the lowly WAC teams..... Those are three of Iowa's most memorable bowl games. Against, BYU, Wyoming and San Diego St.

MO, the argument is that Boise, TCU et al wouldn't look as impressive or be in the position to have a chance to play for important games if they had to navigate week in and week out what BCS conference teams had to on a weekly basis.

[Mr. Hawk]

funnelcake is correct. I'm not even saying that Boise couldn't beat Iowa. Of course they could. I doubt they would, but they certainly could. Either way, Boise does not run the table with Iowa's schedule, and it's utterly ridiculous to think so.

[Edgecrusher7711]

funnelcake is correct. I'm not even saying that Boise couldn't beat Iowa. Of course they could. I doubt they would, but they certainly could. Either way, Boise does not run the table with Iowa's schedule, and it's utterly ridiculous to think so.

Exactly.

[funnelcake]

funnelcake is correct. I'm not even saying that Boise couldn't beat Iowa. Of course they could. I doubt they would, but they certainly could. Either way, Boise does not run the table with Iowa's schedule, and it's utterly ridiculous to think so.

absolutely

[RiotFan]

These threads separate who understands the game of football, and who watches ESPN a lot.

That must be it.

Throughout the past 25 years, we have learned that if a team is not from a BCS conference, there's no possible way they can be good, or even compete with the BCS schools.

Remember when the mighty Big Ten second or third place team would play in the Holiday Bowl against the lowly WAC teams..... Those are three of Iowa's most memorable bowl games. Against, BYU, Wyoming and San Diego St.

JHC...Did you not read the posts in this thread? Edge has already explained this. So you either can't read/comprehend or you're in your Pertard impression mode.

[RiotFan]

funnelcake is correct. I'm not even saying that boise couldn't beat iowa. Of course they could. I doubt they would, but they certainly could. Either way, boise does not run the table with iowa's schedule, and it's utterly ridiculous to think so.

+5000000000

[PipeDaddy]

OMG....

Compared to Bowling Green, UC Davis, Tulsa, Hawaii, San Jose State, Louisiana Tech, Idaho, Utah State, New Mexico State.

Seriously!?! Now thats fucking below average to bad. You guys need to say this shit out loud as you're typing it.

I wasn't arguing that the Big Ten isnt' as good as that conference. Simply saying that the Big Ten's schedule this season isn't as rigorous as it has been in the past.

You called them below average to bad teams. I showed you a schedule that was full of below average to bad teams. Playing Iowa's schedule is a much, much, much bigger test than Boise's.

You are seemingly arguing with yourself here. Carry on.

[PipeDaddy]

funnelcake is correct. I'm not even saying that Boise couldn't beat Iowa. Of course they could. I doubt they would, but they certainly could. Either way, Boise does not run the table with Iowa's schedule, and it's utterly ridiculous to think so.

If this isn't classic MH, I don't know what is.

Has anyone in this thread or any other actually alleged that Boise State would run the table with Iowa's schedule?

Classic MH. Make up a ridiculous argument that nobody has made, and refute it to feel superior.

[Edgecrusher7711]

I wasn't arguing that the Big Ten isnt' as good as that conference. Simply saying that the Big Ten's schedule this season isn't as rigorous as it has been in the past.

You called them below average to bad teams. I showed you a schedule that was full of below average to bad teams. Playing Iowa's schedule is a much, much, much bigger test than Boise's.

You are seemingly arguing with yourself here. Carry on.

Lol, yeah that's it. I'm arguing people that think Cincy would beat Iowa by 2 tds. Or people that think Iowa's schedule wasn't tough.

But I'm not surprised that you're bowing out.

[PipeDaddy]

funnelcake is correct. I'm not even saying that Boise couldn't beat Iowa. Of course they could. I doubt they would, but they certainly could. Either way, Boise does not run the table with Iowa's schedule, and it's utterly ridiculous to think so.

If this isn't classic MH, I don't know what is.

Has anyone in this thread or any other actually alleged that Boise State would run the table with Iowa's schedule?

Classic MH. Make up a ridiculous argument that nobody has made, and refute it to feel superior.

And then everybody else joins in with "+1000" thinking to themselves, "Wow, this MH is really smart."

[PipeDaddy]

You called them below average to bad teams. I showed you a schedule that was full of below average to bad teams. Playing Iowa's schedule is a much, much, much bigger test than Boise's.

You are seemingly arguing with yourself here. Carry on.

Lol, yeah that's it. I'm arguing people that think Cincy would beat Iowa by 2 tds. Or people that think Iowa's schedule wasn't tough.

But I'm not surprised that you're bowing out.

You are putting words in my mouth that I'm not saying. I do think Cincy would beat us right now by 2 TDs. I am not saying Iowa's schedule wasn't tough - just that it wasn't as tough, in retrospect, as we thought it would be at the beginning of the season.

[RiotFan]

funnelcake is correct. I'm not even saying that Boise couldn't beat Iowa. Of course they could. I doubt they would, but they certainly could. Either way, Boise does not run the table with Iowa's schedule, and it's utterly ridiculous to think so.

If this isn't classic MH, I don't know what is.

Has anyone in this thread or any other actually alleged that Boise State would run the table with Iowa's schedule?

Classic MH. Make up a ridiculous argument that nobody has made, and refute it to feel superior.

And then everybody else joins in with "+1000" thinking to themselves, "Wow, this MH is really smart."

Funnel, MH, and Edge have made you and Mo look like amateurs in this thread. You should have given up 2 pages ago yet you continue to make yourself look like an idiot.

[Edgecrusher7711]

You are seemingly arguing with yourself here. Carry on.

Lol, yeah that's it. I'm arguing people that think Cincy would beat Iowa by 2 tds. Or people that think Iowa's schedule wasn't tough.

But I'm not surprised that you're bowing out.

You are putting words in my mouth that I'm not saying. I do think Cincy would beat us right now by 2 TDs. I am not saying Iowa's schedule wasn't tough - just that it wasn't as tough, in retrospect, as we thought it would be at the beginning of the season.

Agreed on the Cincy part. You think Iowa would lose by 2 tds and you're nuts. You're basing that on Cincy scoring a shit ton on bad teams. Ok, that's awesome.

On to the second part...
"Playing Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, and Minnesota this season isn't rigorous. Sorry. They are all below average to bad."

So what exactly was Iowa's schedule this year....rigorous, tough, easier than we thought, harder than all non BCS teams, harder than most BCS teams?

[RiotFan]

You are seemingly arguing with yourself here. Carry on.

Lol, yeah that's it. I'm arguing people that think Cincy would beat Iowa by 2 tds. Or people that think Iowa's schedule wasn't tough.

But I'm not surprised that you're bowing out.

You are putting words in my mouth that I'm not saying. I do think Cincy would beat us right now by 2 TDs. I am not saying Iowa's schedule wasn't tough - just that it wasn't as tough, in retrospect, as we thought it would be at the beginning of the season.

What wasn't as tough about it? OSU and PSU at 10-2? Wisky at 9-3? ISU at 6-6? MSU is the only road team on our schedule that didn't meet pre-season expectations this year.

[Edgecrusher7711]

Lol, yeah that's it. I'm arguing people that think Cincy would beat Iowa by 2 tds. Or people that think Iowa's schedule wasn't tough.

But I'm not surprised that you're bowing out.

You are putting words in my mouth that I'm not saying. I do think Cincy would beat us right now by 2 TDs. I am not saying Iowa's schedule wasn't tough - just that it wasn't as tough, in retrospect, as we thought it would be at the beginning of the season.

What wasn't as tough about it? OSU and PSU at 10-2? Wisky at 9-3? ISU at 6-6? MSU is the only road team on our schedule that didn't meet pre-season expectations this year.

And I think it's fair to say that ISU and Zona were better than anybody thought.

[PipeDaddy]

Okay, it's obvious you guys aren't looking to have a reasonable discussion. So I'll end with this:

Iowa is the best! KF is the best! He never makes mistakes in games! He manages the clock perfectly! We'd kill anyone else except maybe Florida! Ohio State was lucky! Arkansas State and UNI were lucky! This is the best Iowa team ever! We're being robbed of a national championship! The Big Ten is the best conference ever! All the pundits, even those that have years of coaching/playing experience don't know shit!

Welcome to fucking HROT.

[Edgecrusher7711]

Okay, it's obvious you guys aren't looking to have a reasonable discussion. So I'll end with this:

Iowa is the best! KF is the best! He never makes mistakes in games! He manages the clock perfectly! We'd kill anyone else except maybe Florida! Ohio State was lucky! Arkansas State and UNI were lucky! This is the best Iowa team ever! We're being robbed of a national championship! The Big Ten is the best conference ever! All the pundits, even those that have years of coaching/playing experience don't know shit!

Welcome to fucking HROT.

Pipe's a pouter when he's wrong. I'd tell you to go hang out on the BBall board but, oh wait.

[valp0guy]

Okay, it's obvious you guys aren't looking to have a reasonable discussion. So I'll end with this:

Iowa is the best! KF is the best! He never makes mistakes in games! He manages the clock perfectly! We'd kill anyone else except maybe Florida! Ohio State was lucky! Arkansas State and UNI were lucky! This is the best Iowa team ever! We're being robbed of a national championship! The Big Ten is the best conference ever! All the pundits, even those that have years of coaching/playing experience don't know shit!

Welcome to fucking HROT.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you The Game.

[PlannedSickDays]

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[MikeyJoe]

Okay, it's obvious you guys aren't looking to have a reasonable discussion. So I'll end with a complete mis-characterization of every counter argument that has been made.

And now, I'm off to tell you why you're all too down on the basketball program.
Fixed.

[PipeDaddy]

Okay, it's obvious you guys aren't looking to have a reasonable discussion. So I'll end with a complete mis-characterization of every counter argument that has been made.

And now, I'm off to tell you why you're all too down on the basketball program.
Fixed.

Umm. Gee, do you think I mischaracterized the "counter arguments" for a reason, Mikey? You're bright enough to figure it out. I know you can.

[RiotFan]

Okay, it's obvious you guys aren't looking to have a reasonable discussion. So I'll end with this:

Iowa is the best! KF is the best! He never makes mistakes in games! He manages the clock perfectly! We'd kill anyone else except maybe Florida! Ohio State was lucky! Arkansas State and UNI were lucky! This is the best Iowa team ever! We're being robbed of a national championship! The Big Ten is the best conference ever! All the pundits, even those that have years of coaching/playing experience don't know shit!

Welcome to fucking HROT.

:cry:

[PipeDaddy]

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