View Full Version : If Iowa fans are so quick to discount Boise, Cincy, TCU, etc...
because of their perceived weak schedule, would you be pissed if Iowa was passed up for a BCS bowl by USC, or Virginia Tech, if they won out?
They can use the same argument as their basis for going over Iowa, right?
nolookpass
11-22-2009, 11:56 AM
usc and va tech arent in the top 14 of the bcs so that isnt possible.
Wild Onion
11-22-2009, 11:57 AM
Most of the conversation this morning about those teams is responsive to claims that they'd run up the score on the Hawks, or that they'd be equally successful in the Big Ten.
because of their perceived weak schedule, would you be pissed if Iowa was passed up for a BCS bowl by USC, or Virginia Tech, if they won out?
They can use the same argument as their basis for going over Iowa, right?
USC or VTech could use a "weak schedule" argument to jump Iowa for a BCS bowl? Am I reading that right? That's just plain silly.
Wild Onion
11-22-2009, 11:59 AM
Strength of schedule:
Iowa 22
USC 35
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/polls/120/index2
usc and va tech arent in the top 14 of the bcs so that isnt possible.
With two weeks left, there is a decent chance both will be. Va Tech may be this week, and USC still has two games left.
Strength of schedule:
Iowa 22
USC 35
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/polls/120/index2
Sagarin, who's numbers are used in the BCS....
Va. Tech 5
USC 6
Iowa 40
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt09.htm
funnelcake
11-22-2009, 12:02 PM
because of their perceived weak schedule, would you be pissed if Iowa was passed up for a BCS bowl by USC, or Virginia Tech, if they won out?
They can use the same argument as their basis for going over Iowa, right?
USC or VTech could use a "weak schedule" argument to jump Iowa for a BCS bowl? Am I reading that right? That's just plain silly.
this, and onion's post combined
Mr. Hawk
11-22-2009, 12:28 PM
Holy god, Mo. Did you just post that Va Tech and USC played tougher schedules than Iowa?
I'm seriously on the verge of slitting my wrists.
I'm having chest pain because this is so stupid.
Legend12
11-22-2009, 12:30 PM
Holy god, Mo. Did you just post that Va Tech and USC played tougher schedules than Iowa?
I'm seriously on the verge of slitting my wrists.
I'm having chest pain because this is so stupid.
Mo said Sagarin's #'s said they did, and that is what the BCS committee uses.
Mr. Hawk
11-22-2009, 12:31 PM
Mo Trooper doesn't understand why Nevada and Houston aren't playing each other in the national title game. After all, they lead the NCAA in total offense so far.
scottsdalehawk
11-22-2009, 12:32 PM
the only game iowa could have lost playing boise's schedule is oregon
boise would have gone 8-4 playing iowa's schedule. the week to week beating would take it's toll on them. as it is now, they blowout crappy teams and their starters get plenty of rest in the 2nd half. plus boise's "road" games aren't exactly in hostile stadiums.
Holy god, Mo. Did you just post that Va Tech and USC played tougher schedules than Iowa?
I'm seriously on the verge of slitting my wrists.
I'm having chest pain because this is so stupid.
I guess Sagarin thinks it's not so stupid. But, your personal opinion is probably more correct than Sagarin's ratings that uses numbers, with no personal bias.
Iowa................USC
At Ohio State = At Ohio State
At Oregon = At Penn St
Arizona = Arizona
At MSU < At Notre Dame
At Wisconsin = At Cal
UNI = San Jose St
At Iowa St = At Washington
Northwestern = Oregon St
MikeyJoe
11-22-2009, 01:01 PM
Strength of schedule:
Iowa 22
USC 35
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/polls/120/index2
Sagarin, who's numbers are used in the BCS....
Va. Tech 5
USC 6
Iowa 40
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt09.htm
From your own GD link:
TCU 60
Cincinnati 65
Boise State 96. Ninety six!1!
Edgecrusher7711
11-22-2009, 01:17 PM
I'd love to give those teams a chance in a playoff system. But if you think those teams have gone through half the obstacles that Iowa has you f'n delusional. I'm not sure those teams deserve to go in over a 1 loss team. Going through a BCS conference schedule just isn't comparable to playing patsy's 80% of the time and a couple hard games thrown in.
You just can't sit and compare Boise, TCU, etc to any BCS conference team. They're not just playing in different conferences. They're playing in different leagues.
Bovert
11-22-2009, 01:20 PM
I'd love to give those teams a chance in a playoff system. But if you think those teams have gone through half the obstacles that Iowa has you f'n delusional. I'm not sure those teams deserve to go in over a 1 loss team. Going through a BCS conference schedule just isn't comparable to playing patsy's 80% of the time and a couple hard games thrown in.
You just can't sit and compare Boise, TCU, etc to any BCS conference team. They're not just playing in different conferences. They're playing in different leagues.
Utah 31
Alabama 17
Edgecrusher7711
11-22-2009, 01:22 PM
I'd love to give those teams a chance in a playoff system. But if you think those teams have gone through half the obstacles that Iowa has you f'n delusional. I'm not sure those teams deserve to go in over a 1 loss team. Going through a BCS conference schedule just isn't comparable to playing patsy's 80% of the time and a couple hard games thrown in.
You just can't sit and compare Boise, TCU, etc to any BCS conference team. They're not just playing in different conferences. They're playing in different leagues.
Utah 31
Alabama 17
That right there proves that you're to fucking stupid to handle this.
You just can't sit and compare Boise, TCU, etc to any BCS conference team. They're not just playing in different conferences. They're playing in different leagues.
Non BCS schools have no chance in BCS bowl games......That sentiment has definitely been proven true in BCS bowl games....;)
Bovert
11-22-2009, 01:27 PM
I'd love to give those teams a chance in a playoff system. But if you think those teams have gone through half the obstacles that Iowa has you f'n delusional. I'm not sure those teams deserve to go in over a 1 loss team. Going through a BCS conference schedule just isn't comparable to playing patsy's 80% of the time and a couple hard games thrown in.
You just can't sit and compare Boise, TCU, etc to any BCS conference team. They're not just playing in different conferences. They're playing in different leagues.
Utah 31
Alabama 17
That right there proves that you're to fucking stupid to handle this.
Boise 43
Oklahoma 42
That right there proves that you're to fucking stupid to handle this.
Should be "too"
Edgecrusher7711
11-22-2009, 01:31 PM
You just can't sit and compare Boise, TCU, etc to any BCS conference team. They're not just playing in different conferences. They're playing in different leagues.
Non BCS schools have no chance in BCS bowl games......That sentiment has definitely been proven true in BCS bowl games....;)
Not
What
I'm
Saying
Of course in 1 fucking game (under 1000 crazy circumstances) they have a shot. I'm saying they don't deserve it. THEY HAVE NOT EARNED IT. If we were doing a playoff system like every other fucking sport then they are more than welcome. But if we're going to have a retarded "let's try and guess who the best teams are based on their resume" system then they don't deserve it. They're resume wouldn't even make it on the desk.
Bovert
11-22-2009, 01:31 PM
You just can't sit and compare Boise, TCU, etc to any BCS conference team. They're not just playing in different conferences. They're playing in different leagues.
Non BCS schools have no chance in BCS bowl games......That sentiment has definitely been proven true in BCS bowl games....;)
Not
What
I'm
Saying
Of course in 1 fucking game (under 1000 crazy circumstances) they have a shot. I'm saying they don't deserve it. THEY HAVE NOT EARNED IT. If we were doing a playoff system like every other fucking sport then they are more than welcome. But if we're going to have a retarded "let's try and guess who the best teams are based on their resume" system then they don't deserve it. They're resume wouldn't even make it on the desk.
Utah 35
Pitt 7
Edgecrusher7711
11-22-2009, 01:32 PM
That right there proves that you're to fucking stupid to handle this.
Should be "too"
Agreed.
Edgecrusher7711
11-22-2009, 01:33 PM
Non BCS schools have no chance in BCS bowl games......That sentiment has definitely been proven true in BCS bowl games....;)
Not
What
I'm
Saying
Of course in 1 fucking game (under 1000 crazy circumstances) they have a shot. I'm saying they don't deserve it. THEY HAVE NOT EARNED IT. If we were doing a playoff system like every other fucking sport then they are more than welcome. But if we're going to have a retarded "let's try and guess who the best teams are based on their resume" system then they don't deserve it. They're resume wouldn't even make it on the desk.
Utah 35
Pitt 7
Seriously, you're fucking retarded. You're not even comprehending the argument. You're posting the scores makes you look worse.
Show me 1 non bcs team with a SEASON of those wins.
Come on douche bag give me a SEASON. I'll be waiting.
Bovert
11-22-2009, 01:34 PM
You see, Mo, they don't deserve a shot. Even though the non-BCS conference teams are 3-1 in BCS bowl games when given a shot, that doesn't prove anything. If they want a shot they should switch to better conferences, and since none of them are doing that then it is clear they don't want to play tougher schedules and thus they don't deserve a shot.
Bovert
11-22-2009, 01:35 PM
Not
What
I'm
Saying
Of course in 1 fucking game (under 1000 crazy circumstances) they have a shot. I'm saying they don't deserve it. THEY HAVE NOT EARNED IT. If we were doing a playoff system like every other fucking sport then they are more than welcome. But if we're going to have a retarded "let's try and guess who the best teams are based on their resume" system then they don't deserve it. They're resume wouldn't even make it on the desk.
Utah 35
Pitt 7
Seriously, you're fucking retarded. You're not even comprehending the argument. You're posting the scores makes you look worse.
Show me 1 non bcs team with a SEASON of those wins.
Come on douche bag give me a SEASON. I'll be waiting.
You're right. If they want a shot they need to move into the SEC or the Big 10 and play a tougher season schedule. And since they aren't doing that we should not give them a chance, even though they have proven that when they get a chance they often win.
Edgecrusher7711
11-22-2009, 01:36 PM
You see, Mo, they don't deserve a shot. Even though the non-BCS conference teams are 3-1 in BCS bowl games when given a shot, that doesn't prove anything. If they want a shot they should switch to better conferences, and since none of them are doing that then it is clear they don't want to play tougher schedules and thus they don't deserve a shot.
Hey, look you're getting closer.
Edgecrusher7711
11-22-2009, 01:37 PM
Utah 35
Pitt 7
Seriously, you're fucking retarded. You're not even comprehending the argument. You're posting the scores makes you look worse.
Show me 1 non bcs team with a SEASON of those wins.
Come on douche bag give me a SEASON. I'll be waiting.
You're right. If they want a shot they need to move into the SEC or the Big 10 and play a tougher season schedule. And since they aren't doing that we should not give them a chance, even though they have proven that when they get a chance they often win.
Yep, in that very, very small sample size they have done well. But when it comes to the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. Nope. No shot. They don't deserve it. Give them their 1 BCS game and STFU!
Do you think maybe there is a reason teams won't play a home and home with Boise??
I wonder why that is. Their coach has offered it up and there aren't any takers. Why would BCS teams be afraid to take that on?
Why does Texas deserve a shot at the NC over Cincy, or Boise, or TCU? Texas has beaten one ranked team, and they deserve the shot because they play in the scary Big 12?
Edgecrusher7711
11-22-2009, 01:50 PM
Do you think maybe there is a reason teams won't play a home and home with Boise??
I wonder why that is. Their coach has offered it up and there aren't any takers. Why would BCS teams be afraid to take that on?
Why does Texas deserve a shot at the NC over Cincy, or Boise, or TCU? Texas has beaten one ranked team, and they deserve the shot because they play in the scary Big 12?
A. Because those teams already play a tough schedule. Why should they have to add another damn game? Especially a road game.
B. The shitty Big 12 is still better than all of the non-BCS confs by a long shot.
I'm not saying that Boise isn't good. I'm saying we can't compare them. They do not have near the obstacles that BCS conf teams do. The wear and tear that playing a schedule like Iowa's just DOES NOT COMPARE to what Boise has done. If we're going to have a system that doesn't allow this to be played out then these are the things that need to be considered. I'm sorry I know it's not fair but blame that on the system.
We just can't compare these teams right now. And using bowl games for comparison is one of the gheyest things ever. It's a small sample size that is far from scientific. Hell every Big 10 team is at a disadvantage come bowl season.
Monster
11-22-2009, 02:00 PM
Mo, when busting meth houses, try not to inhale so much.
PipeDaddy
11-22-2009, 02:34 PM
the only game iowa could have lost playing boise's schedule is oregon
boise would have gone 8-4 playing iowa's schedule. the week to week beating would take it's toll on them. as it is now, they blowout crappy teams and their starters get plenty of rest in the 2nd half. plus boise's "road" games aren't exactly in hostile stadiums.
Right. Iowa just beat Minnesota at home by 12 points and you are saying Iowa couldn't lose to anyone else on Boise's schedule? You do realize how bad Minnesota is, right?
MikeyJoe
11-22-2009, 02:35 PM
the only game iowa could have lost playing boise's schedule is oregon
boise would have gone 8-4 playing iowa's schedule. the week to week beating would take it's toll on them. as it is now, they blowout crappy teams and their starters get plenty of rest in the 2nd half. plus boise's "road" games aren't exactly in hostile stadiums.
Right. Iowa just beat Minnesota at home by 12 points and you are saying Iowa couldn't lose to anyone else on Boise's schedule? You do realize how bad Minnesota is, right?
Do you want to argue that Minnesota is worse than any team other than Oregon on Boise's schedule? Start making your case.
MickerHawk
11-22-2009, 02:42 PM
At MSU < At Notre Dame
At Wisconsin = At Cal
UNI = San Jose St
The rest I can agree with, but these three are just ridiculous. The Irish are bad.
the only game iowa could have lost playing boise's schedule is oregon
boise would have gone 8-4 playing iowa's schedule. the week to week beating would take it's toll on them. as it is now, they blowout crappy teams and their starters get plenty of rest in the 2nd half. plus boise's "road" games aren't exactly in hostile stadiums.
Right. Iowa just beat Minnesota at home by 12 points and you are saying Iowa couldn't lose to anyone else on Boise's schedule? You do realize how bad Minnesota is, right?
Do you want to argue that Minnesota is worse than any team other than Oregon on Boise's schedule? Start making your case.
I can make the case for the stellar win against UNI, or the marginal win against Arkansas St.
At MSU < At Notre Dame
At Wisconsin = At Cal
UNI = San Jose St
The rest I can agree with, but these three are just ridiculous. The Irish are bad.
The Irish beat Michigan St........
Wisconsin and Cal are equally mediocre
UNI is not that good. They are a 7-4 FCS school.
PipeDaddy
11-22-2009, 02:57 PM
the only game iowa could have lost playing boise's schedule is oregon
boise would have gone 8-4 playing iowa's schedule. the week to week beating would take it's toll on them. as it is now, they blowout crappy teams and their starters get plenty of rest in the 2nd half. plus boise's "road" games aren't exactly in hostile stadiums.
Right. Iowa just beat Minnesota at home by 12 points and you are saying Iowa couldn't lose to anyone else on Boise's schedule? You do realize how bad Minnesota is, right?
Do you want to argue that Minnesota is worse than any team other than Oregon on Boise's schedule? Start making your case.
Did you watch the game? Their offense is at about a junior high level. And man, they really rolled on South Dakota State last weekend. Very impressive.
Did you watch the game? Their offense is at about a junior high level. And man, they really rolled on South Dakota State last weekend. Very impressive.
Did you stop to think for a second that maybe, just maybe, Iowa's D had something to do with that? That very same D that you think would get steamrolled by Cincy.
PipeDaddy
11-22-2009, 03:02 PM
Did you watch the game? Their offense is at about a junior high level. And man, they really rolled on South Dakota State last weekend. Very impressive.
Did you stop to think for a second that maybe, just maybe, Iowa's D had something to do with that? That very same D that you think would get steamrolled by Cincy.
So that puts South Dakota State defense at our level then too. I had no idea they were that good.
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