Iowa #11 in BCS Poll (11/22/09)

[SL]

Just announced.

Ahead of Okie St. and Penn St.

[RiotFan]

Just announced.

Ahead of Okie St. and Penn St.

We'd lose to Cincy by 2 TD's.

[PlannedSickDays]

cincy or pitt loses and iowa will be top 10 bcs...cool

[Lime]

What an injustice. Penn State should be ahead of Iowa.

[PipeDaddy]

It's good to be ahead of Okie State. But I wonder what a win by them over Oklahoma would mean. Although in the games I've watched, Okie State looks far from impressive.

I agree with some others that have said that the talking heads are really trying to get this to be a Penn State BCS selection. In the end, though, I just don't see how that justification can possibly be made.

[RiotFan]

cincy or pitt loses and iowa will be top 10 bcs...cool

They play each other yet too, correct?

This is why the argument about not playing the last 2 weeks can rub both ways. I think it has helped the Big 10 in the BCS rankings more than it has hurt.

[PlannedSickDays]

cincy or pitt loses and iowa will be top 10 bcs...cool

They play each other yet too, correct?

This is why the argument about not playing the last 2 weeks can rub both ways. I think it has helped the Big 10 in the BCS rankings more than it has hurt.

yep

[PipeDaddy]

cincy or pitt loses and iowa will be top 10 bcs...cool

Where did we end the 2002 season in the standings (before the USC game)? I think it was 4th? Top 10 and a better chance at winning a BCS bowl than that year - could be a better finish this year than 2002.

[PlannedSickDays]

cincy or pitt loses and iowa will be top 10 bcs...cool

Where did we end the 2002 season in the standings (before the USC game)? I think it was 4th? Top 10 and a better chance at winning a BCS bowl than that year - could be a better finish this year than 2002.

iowa never reached higher in the BCS ratings in 02 than they did this year. I want to say 5 or 6 was the peak in 02

[PipeDaddy]

I was thinking 4 or 5. Weren't we jockeying with Georgia for position?

[Lime]

In the end, though, I just don't see how that justification can possibly be made.

http://hawkeyelounge.com/showpost.php?p=832569&postcount=4

[PlannedSickDays]

I was thinking 4 or 5. Weren't we jockeying with Georgia for position?

the #4 ranking this season was the highest Iowa has ever reached so it couldn't have been 4

[PipeDaddy]

In the end, though, I just don't see how that justification can possibly be made.

http://hawkeyelounge.com/showpost.php?p=832569&postcount=4

People were laying out rationalizations that could be used. I already mentioned that rationalization again today. And then said that I don't agree with it. What is your point?

[PlannedSickDays]

also, Iowa being higher than PSU should end the "which team goes to the BCS" debate imo.

[PipeDaddy]

also, Iowa being higher than PSU should end the "which team goes to the BCS" debate imo.

Are there any remaining games that could possibly affect the computer rankings of Iowa or Penn State? (i.e. nonconference foes still playing next week).

[PlannedSickDays]

also, Iowa being higher than PSU should end the "which team goes to the BCS" debate imo.

Are there any remaining games that could possibly affect the computer rankings of Iowa or Penn State? (i.e. nonconference foes still playing next week).

I don't think so. PSU's weak OCC means they would need a lot of help. Maybe Temple winning the MAC? Zona has ASU then USC so they will help Iowa. With the rest of the Big Ten settled I doubt there will be anywhere for these teams to move.

[L. Wade Childress]

after the top 2, rankings have little to do with the selection process, as long as you are in the top 14

[oomp]

I was thinking 4 or 5. Weren't we jockeying with Georgia for position?

the #4 ranking this season was the highest Iowa has ever reached so it couldn't have been 4

We were 5 going into the Orange Bowl game.

[PlannedSickDays]

I was thinking 4 or 5. Weren't we jockeying with Georgia for position?

the #4 ranking this season was the highest Iowa has ever reached so it couldn't have been 4

We were 5 going into the Orange Bowl game.

thanks

[PipeDaddy]

after the top 2, rankings have little to do with the selection process, as long as you are in the top 14

True. But PSD and I were talking about any possible rationalization of Penn State beating Iowa out for a BCS bowl selection. Having Iowa ahead of Penn State in the standings eliminates one of those for the talking heads to use.

[PlannedSickDays]

after the top 2, rankings have little to do with the selection process, as long as you are in the top 14

True. But PSD and I were talking about any possible rationalization of Penn State beating Iowa out for a BCS bowl selection. Having Iowa ahead of Penn State in the standings eliminates one of those for the talking heads to use.

I may be in denial but I really don't think it is going to be much of a debate amongst the BCS selection committees. The Internet/radio will be hashing it out but the fact that the Orange Bowl sent it's CEO to Iowa while sending a volunteer to the PSU game yesterday tells me all I need to know.

[PlannedSickDays]

I was thinking last night too...There has been new discussion about Okie St. sneaking into the Fiesta and bumping Boise from the BCS. I like this conversation because it opens the door a bit more for Iowa. What I mean is, if Okie St is accepted by the public as acceptable bypassing Boise then Iowa could still be clear if Nebraska magically beats Texas in the Big 12 Title. game. Nebraska of course would bump Okie st because the BCS can only take 2 from the conference and that could set up a Nebraska/Iowa Fiesta bowl. I think financially that would be a windfall for the Fiesta assuming Texas still gets to the Championship game and TCU gets doesn't.

[Gushawk]

I was thinking last night too...There has been new discussion about Okie St. sneaking into the Fiesta and bumping Boise from the BCS. I like this conversation because it opens the door a bit more for Iowa. What I mean is, if Okie St is accepted by the public as acceptable bypassing Boise then Iowa could still be clear if Nebraska magically beats Texas in the Big 12 Title. game. Nebraska of course would bump Okie st because the BCS can only take 2 from the conference and that could set up a Nebraska/Iowa Fiesta bowl. I think financially that would be a windfall for the Fiesta assuming Texas still gets to the Championship game and TCU gets doesn't.

I don't think Texas gets a Championship game birth if it loses to Nebraska. That would present an interesting dynamic.

After auto tie-ins, I think it looks like:

Championship - SEC champ vs. TCU or Cincy (assuming both undefeated)
Rose - OSU v. Oregon/Oregon State
Sugar - No auto tie-ins (SEC Champ to BCS)
Fiesta - Nebraska v. At Large
Orange - ACC Champ (GT or Clemson) v. At Large

As the Sugar is the only bowl to lose an auto tie in team to the MNC game, it picks first and takes Florida/Alabama loser.

Orange then picks, and I think takes Texas.

Fiesta is then up. I think it is between Iowa, PSU, Boise, and either TCU and Big East champ, e.g. Cincy or Pitt (whichever is not in the MNC). I think it takes a Big 10 team, slight advantage to Iowa.

Sugar is then up, and is probably stuck with the remaining auto qualifier (TCU or Big East champ).

Final pairings in that scenario, IMO:

MNC: Florida/Bama winner vs. Cincy or TCU
Rose: OSU vs. Oregon/Oregon State winner
Orange: Clemson/GT winner vs. Texas
Fiesta: Nebraska vs. Iowa
Sugar: Florida/Bama loser vs. TCU or Big East Champ (whichever not in MNC)

Whatchya think?

http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/eligibility

[blacklespaul]

also, Iowa being higher than PSU should end the "which team goes to the BCS" debate imo.

I wish it did, but my take is PSU more likely to get at-large.

[Mr. Hawk]

I'd pay good money to see Iowa thump Nebraska, ole Gus.

[blacklespaul]

I was thinking last night too...There has been new discussion about Okie St. sneaking into the Fiesta and bumping Boise from the BCS. I like this conversation because it opens the door a bit more for Iowa. What I mean is, if Okie St is accepted by the public as acceptable bypassing Boise then Iowa could still be clear if Nebraska magically beats Texas in the Big 12 Title. game. Nebraska of course would bump Okie st because the BCS can only take 2 from the conference and that could set up a Nebraska/Iowa Fiesta bowl. I think financially that would be a windfall for the Fiesta assuming Texas still gets to the Championship game and TCU gets doesn't.

I don't think Texas gets a Championship game birth if it loses to Nebraska. That would present an interesting dynamic.

After auto tie-ins, I think it looks like:

Championship - SEC champ vs. TCU or Cincy (assuming both undefeated)
Rose - OSU v. Oregon/Oregon State
Sugar - No auto tie-ins (SEC Champ to BCS)
Fiesta - Nebraska v. At Large
Orange - ACC Champ (GT or Clemson) v. At Large

As the Sugar is the only bowl to lose an auto tie in team to the MNC game, it picks first and takes Florida/Alabama loser.

Orange then picks, and I think takes Texas.

Fiesta is then up. I think it is between Iowa, PSU, Boise, and either TCU and Big East champ, e.g. Cincy or Pitt (whichever is not in the MNC). I think it takes a Big 10 team, slight advantage to Iowa.

Sugar is then up, and is probably stuck with the remaining auto qualifier (TCU or Big East champ).

Final pairings in that scenario, IMO:

MNC: Florida/Bama winner vs. Cincy or TCU
Rose: OSU vs. Oregon/Oregon State winner
Orange: Clemson/GT winner vs. Texas
Fiesta: Nebraska vs. Iowa
Sugar: Florida/Bama loser vs. TCU or Big East Champ (whichever not in MNC)

Whatchya think?

http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/eligibility

Texas will not lose to NU. But if they did, good analysis. Also, only one non-BCS school gets invite and it will be TCU. BSU on outside looking in.

[Gushawk]

I think it depends on which bowl's selection committee our fate rests with, blp. If Texas wins the Big XII title game and the Fiesta let's us slide on its first pass thinking it can land us with its second pick, then I think the Orange might have a tough time taking us over PSU. But that's just my gut.

[newsbreaker]

Does the Fiesta bowl take two teams of regional fame who happen to be located only a few hundred miles away from each other?

I'm skeptical.

[Legend12]

after the top 2, rankings have little to do with the selection process, as long as you are in the top 14

True. But PSD and I were talking about any possible rationalization of Penn State beating Iowa out for a BCS bowl selection. Having Iowa ahead of Penn State in the standings eliminates one of those for the talking heads to use.

I may be in denial but I really don't think it is going to be much of a debate amongst the BCS selection committees. The Internet/radio will be hashing it out but the fact that the Orange Bowl sent it's CEO to Iowa while sending a volunteer to the PSU game yesterday tells me all I need to know.

I think too much is being read into the CEO/Volunteer thing as I believe the Orange Bowl CEO was at PSU the weekend before, so he was seeing both teams on their home turf where he could meet with a lot of different people. I know he spent some time in the suites talking to people about the amenities at his bowl and that luxury boxes are still available.

[Gushawk]

Does the Fiesta bowl take two teams of regional fame who happen to be located only a few hundred miles away from each other?

I'm skeptical.

I think it's definitely better in their eyes than the non-Big Ten alternatives. Them taking us over PSU is admittedly Jon Miller fueled conjecture. He loses major cred by being wrong on this, with all of the talk of contacts close to the Fiesta Bowl slection committee.

[blacklespaul]

Can I just say I don't like Jon?

[PipeDaddy]

Can I just say I don't like Jon?

Yes.

[PlannedSickDays]

I was thinking last night too...There has been new discussion about Okie St. sneaking into the Fiesta and bumping Boise from the BCS. I like this conversation because it opens the door a bit more for Iowa. What I mean is, if Okie St is accepted by the public as acceptable bypassing Boise then Iowa could still be clear if Nebraska magically beats Texas in the Big 12 Title. game. Nebraska of course would bump Okie st because the BCS can only take 2 from the conference and that could set up a Nebraska/Iowa Fiesta bowl. I think financially that would be a windfall for the Fiesta assuming Texas still gets to the Championship game and TCU gets doesn't.

I don't think Texas gets a Championship game birth if it loses to Nebraska. That would present an interesting dynamic.

After auto tie-ins, I think it looks like:

Championship - SEC champ vs. TCU or Cincy (assuming both undefeated)
Rose - OSU v. Oregon/Oregon State
Sugar - No auto tie-ins (SEC Champ to BCS)
Fiesta - Nebraska v. At Large
Orange - ACC Champ (GT or Clemson) v. At Large

As the Sugar is the only bowl to lose an auto tie in team to the MNC game, it picks first and takes Florida/Alabama loser.

Orange then picks, and I think takes Texas.

Fiesta is then up. I think it is between Iowa, PSU, Boise, and either TCU and Big East champ, e.g. Cincy or Pitt (whichever is not in the MNC). I think it takes a Big 10 team, slight advantage to Iowa.

Sugar is then up, and is probably stuck with the remaining auto qualifier (TCU or Big East champ).

Final pairings in that scenario, IMO:

MNC: Florida/Bama winner vs. Cincy or TCU
Rose: OSU vs. Oregon/Oregon State winner
Orange: Clemson/GT winner vs. Texas
Fiesta: Nebraska vs. Iowa
Sugar: Florida/Bama loser vs. TCU or Big East Champ (whichever not in MNC)

Whatchya think?

http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/eligibility

nice break down....i got to thinking about it a bit after i posted that and thought the pecking order would be screwed up with a Texas loss.

[PlannedSickDays]

also, Iowa being higher than PSU should end the "which team goes to the BCS" debate imo.

I wish it did, but my take is PSU more likely to get at-large.

I really don't think so. But it will be interesting to see how it plays out and what role the Big Ten office might play if any.

[newsbreaker]

Does the Fiesta bowl take two teams of regional fame who happen to be located only a few hundred miles away from each other?

I'm skeptical.

I think it's definitely better in their eyes than the non-Big Ten alternatives. Them taking us over PSU is admittedly Jon Miller fueled conjecture. He loses major cred by being wrong on this, with all of the talk of contacts close to the Fiesta Bowl slection committee.

I haven't been following his site at all, but it's interesting he's staking out that kind of territory when his new site is in its infancy.

[nolookpass]

Does the Fiesta bowl take two teams of regional fame who happen to be located only a few hundred miles away from each other?

I'm skeptical.

I think it's definitely better in their eyes than the non-Big Ten alternatives. Them taking us over PSU is admittedly Jon Miller fueled conjecture. He loses major cred by being wrong on this, with all of the talk of contacts close to the Fiesta Bowl slection committee.

I haven't been following his site at all, but it's interesting he's staking out that kind of territory when his new site is in its infancy.

his site has some great features..Patrick Webbs scouting reports and Jarred Claus game takes.

[Jimmie Dimmick]

I'd pay good money to see Iowa thump Nebraska, ole Gus.

That game would end in a 0-0 tie in regulation.

Neither OL would be able to hold the others DL.

[PipeDaddy]

Does the Fiesta bowl take two teams of regional fame who happen to be located only a few hundred miles away from each other?

I'm skeptical.

I think it's definitely better in their eyes than the non-Big Ten alternatives. Them taking us over PSU is admittedly Jon Miller fueled conjecture. He loses major cred by being wrong on this, with all of the talk of contacts close to the Fiesta Bowl slection committee.

Miller has always come across as conjecture and hype to me - kind of like an HROT poster with a platform. And he uses "I" too much in what he writes. People don't want to read about him - they want to read about the Hawks. Learn how to write, Jon.