Flight 253 Passenger: "Government is lying"

[atemp]

How can this be I thought only the Bush/Cheney Administration covered up things like this....

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2009/12/flight_253_passenger_kurt_hask.html

[Hacksaw Jim Duggan]

wow


If what that guy is saying is true then that is really scary.

[atemp]

wow


If what that guy is saying is true then that is really scary.

Seems like he would have a pretty good imagination to make all of this up.

[TH1974]

Alex Jones claims that the underwear bomber was an inside job.

[lilzaphod]

wow


If what that guy is saying is true then that is really scary.

No shit. I've flown international multiple times. Passport required at check in and at the gate. This makes me wonder why the one dude got special treatment (assumption - author not lying). Either someone on the inside, or the guy had some credentials to bypass the cattle car lineup.

[Slyhawk]

wow


If what that guy is saying is true then that is really scary.

Either that or the FBI wanted to keep the capture of an accomplice secret in order to use him to possibly draw out other plotters and gain more information from him. In which case this guy flapping his gums about this "to whoever will listen" is doing us no favors.

[atemp]

wow


If what that guy is saying is true then that is really scary.

No shit. I've flown international multiple times. Passport required at check in and at the gate. This makes me wonder why the one dude got special treatment (assumption - author not lying). Either someone on the inside, or the guy had some credentials to bypass the cattle car lineup.


Cattle Car line up is a good depiction. Netherlands must have some Muslims at custom check. Also, how come the Ft. Hood stuff has fallen off the radar...Obama doesn't want to stir up a anti-Muslim craze as it goes against his Jesus persona.

[PhilHartman]

The system worked!

[Hacksaw Jim Duggan]

http://photos.liveauctioneers.com/houses/profiles-in-history/16511/0974_2_lg.jpgI'm afraid these asswipes are going to keep finding loopholes with ways to get a bomb on board, sadly its just a matter of time before they down a plane in the coming decade.

In my mind half of the security schtick at airports is for show. I think about plots like Malcovich's character in The Line of Fire. If that dude could sneak in a wood gun in 2 various peices in his belt than I could see it working on a plane.

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews38/in%20the%20line%20of%20fire%20brd/in%20the%

[Du Hawk Du Mich]

Based on personal experience of going through security in Amsterdam, they don't fuck around. Every time that I've been through that airport, the slightest thing like not making eye contact has gotten me patted down and my bag ripped open. I can't imagine a situation where their security would feel sympathetic for somebody without a passport unless they had ulterior motives.

[Heavens]

Nothing to see here. It was an isolated person attempting to create a man-made event. No big deal. The system worked. La la la la la. Hey, what's Sarah Palin up to? Go get her, boys!

[Mr. Hawk]

Nothing to see here. It was an isolated person attempting to create a man-made event. No big deal. The system worked. La la la la la. Hey, what's Sarah Palin up to? Go get her, boys!
yep

[Sambud]

The first time I read the article I was a bit perplexed. The second time my thinking was more along the lines of Hacksaw Jim and what kind of a country is this.

[Vepr]

http://photos.liveauctioneers.com/houses/profiles-in-history/16511/0974_2_lg.jpgI'm afraid these asswipes are going to keep finding loopholes with ways to get a bomb on board, sadly its just a matter of time before they down a plane in the coming decade.

In my mind half of the security schtick at airports is for show. I think about plots like Malcovich's character in The Line of Fire. If that dude could sneak in a wood gun in 2 various peices in his belt than I could see it working on a plane.

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews38/in%20the%20line%20of%20fire%20brd/in%20the%

I am not going to say it is impossible but you have to remember that the CUP pressure (roughly equivalent to PSI) on even a 9mm is around 35,000 or more. Copper cases bulge and form to the chamber momentarily when you fire a round and those materials are likely to fail under those pressures causing the case to rupture as it keeps expanding. Plus you run into the whole rifling thing and if the barrel is not perfect in a material like wood or resin it is coming apart also even if you went with reduced powder loads which runs you into primer issues on ignition. Now you could probably make some sort of wooden contraption that would handle a shot from a 12 gauge or 20 gauge shell.

[Vepr]

Oh yeah I forgot to add... "Our government dishonest? No way!!!"

[Iza]

The first time I read the article I was a bit perplexed. The second time my thinking was more along the lines of Hacksaw Jim and what kind of a country is this.

Wait? You're giving up on America because of some conspiracy-hunting goon?

His story reminds me the movie JFK. He's throwing every conspiracy in there. Based on his observations, the people who are in on this conspiracy to blow up America:

1) A ticket agent in Amsterdam who either knowingly or unwittingly let the terrorist on the plane without a passport.
2) The 'sharp dressed' Indian man who was attempting to convince said ticketing agent to board without a passport.
3) The FBI
4) US Customs
5) The held but not arrested Indian dude in orange

Also, did you guys get a good laugh when he said the FBI/Customs agent emerged with Orange Indian perp and said with a wink wink nod nod "I'm sure you guys can read between the lines." Who the fuck says that to a hall full of passengers who've just been in such a harrowing experience?

http://media.mlive.com/news/detroit_impact/photo/lori-kurt-haskelljpg-ecee6d801bc61d5a-mediumjpg-325fab43fd3399ad_medium.jpg

Also, who tans this much? This looks like an episode of that TV show where the chick got jacked at the bar.

Further, if the Indian man in orange had a bomb, why was it in his bag, and not lined in his GhandiRoos, like his Muslim friend, the terrorist? Is it possible it was a drug sniffing dog, as well?

The FBI has, since we landed, insisted that only one man was arrested for the airliner attack (contradicting my account). However, several of my fellow passengers have come over the past few days, backed up my claim, and put pressure on FBI/Customs to tell the truth. Early today, I heard from two different reporters that a federal agency (FBI or Customs) was now admitting that another man has been held (and will be held indefinitely) since our flight landed for "immigration reasons." Notice that this man was "being held" and not "arrested", which was a cute semantic ploy by the FBI to stretch the truth and not lie.

No. It's not semantics, Kurt. He was being held on a completely separate matter. Also, where does it say he'll be held 'indefinately'?

I have to say I'm especially disappointed in you, Mr. Hawk. I mean, your whole job is to pick apart someone's story. Yet, you are so enthralled with the idea the Barack HUSSEIN Obama's most important perogative is to convince Americans that this was a single-terrorist attack - which is ludicrious - that you'll indiscriminantly gulp down this guy's story.

Read the paragraph above. Your contention...well, you tell me what it is...would be that America either released or is not telling about a 2nd bomber ON THE FLIGHT? A bomber that, according to this one dude, has the BOMB in his CARRY ON BAG. Say that out loud. Read it to a friend. Doesn't it sound really gay when it comes out in sentence form?

So you tell me what is MORE plausible:

A) The lawyer story - 1 Indian man helped the terrorist board the flight without a passport. In plain view of others. Despite EVERYONE reporting and being critical of the fact that he had a valid passport (so those reports are all wrong?). Coincidentally this exchange took place in front of this very lawyer with enough volume that he understood precisely that the man didn't have a passport. The ticket agent was either involved or wholey inept. Then, after the underwear bomber failed, his Indian counterpart in orange (the 2nd Indian man), abandoned his plot to blow up the bomb in his bag for whatever reason. Instead, he waited patiently with the other non-terrorist passengers. Then after the FBI found the bomb, they led him away, so that Obama didn't have to say there was more than a single plotter or terrorist. Despite instructions to ensure this was a single-plotter story, the FBI agent who just interrogated terrorist number 2, came out declared (while wiping his brow) "man, that was a close one, if you know what I mean!"

OR

B) An alternate version of the truth - The 2nd Indian dude has absolutely no relation to the 1st Indian dude, the scheming FBI/Obama, or the inept or culpible ticketing agent from Amsterdam, and he was either busted for documentation issues or drugs.

Again, this is why the GOP got whooped and sat on their hands during Bush propoganda. You will believe in chain e-mail or looney account of something if the ultimate message is to feed your suppositions. Remember when you guys said that weeks before the invasion of Iraq that Syria was offloading Saddam's WMD for him? LOL!!!!

So we're clear, because Obama doesn't want to offend a Muslim group, like fucking Al Qaeda, two Indian men, the bomber himself, the FBI, US Customs, and The Netherlands are all willing to just go along with it to lie to the American public about only one person being involved. Because so much is dependent on this story only have 1 bad guy, because America has no idea that more than 1 person could possibly be involved, because it's never happened that way. How ludicrious is that to believe? But you guys will lap it up. And when you're proven wrong, you'll just go back to hypotheticals like you're all so good at. Like Obama's civilian militia or taking away your guns.

Pathetic way to start the new year, boys.

Oh, I like how Lawyer Kurt was put in charge of securing the staging area, since he's singularly aware that no other people from no other flights - except law enforcement - could have possibly found their way into this public area.

Oh man, I just found this snippet. After the Netherlands anti-terror agency stated that the terror DID have a valid passport (as I said earlier), Kurt the Lawyer rebutted as follows:

"I never stated he didn't have a passport," Haskell said. "I stated he was trying to board without a passport, what transpired after that I don't know."

Wow. That guy really is a lawyer. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes. This terrorist, dead set on blowing up people after sewing explosives into his drawers, decided not to use his valid passport. Instead, he decided it would be much less suspicious to have a 3rd party arbitrator loudly make an argument that he should be able to board without one.

You guys. You're silly. Happy New Year. Hey, is Joe the Plumber making $250+k annually on his $1m purchase of the plumbing shop yet?

I'm OK with Kurt being suspicious. Hell, it's our job. In fact, his ramblings have served a purpose. It got us clarification, so we can be snug in our beds, knowing that we are under the protection of Obama's watchful eye as we enter 2010. Kurt is a great, if stubborn, American. I'm a little upset that US Customs/FBI put him in charge of securing the Flight 253 passengers only area after he apparently saw 2 suspicious men trying to board an international flight without a passport and didn't bother to raise a flag at that time. He wouldn't make it day 1 with Per-Mar in Iowa City, I'll tell you that.

[Wild Onion]

I like the way Iza rung in the new year. Nice work.

[Rolo Tomassi]

I've gotta agree with Iza on this. The guy's story sounds hokey to me. Especially the part about the FBI Agent (or whoever it was) saying to the passengers, "I'm sure you can read between the lines."

And yet, I'm torn because I don't trust the government.