Here's a new one...B10 extends 4 offers

[Talkin' Goat]

The Big Ten Conference has extended initial offers to join the league to four universities including Missouri and Nebraska from the Big 12, according to multiple sources close to the negotiations.

While nothing can be approved until the Big Ten presidents and chancellors meet the first week of June in Chicago, the league has informed the two Big 12 schools, Notre Dame and Rutgers that it would like to have them join. It is not yet clear whether the Big Ten will expand to 14 or 16 teams but sources indicated Missouri and Nebraska are invited in either scenario. Notre Dame has repeatedly declined the opportunity to join the Big Ten. If Notre Dame remains independent, Rutgers would be the 14th team. The Big Ten would then decide whether to stop at 14 or extend offers to two other schools. If Notre Dame joins, sources say an offer will be extended to one other school making it a 16-team league.

In order for the University of Missouri to join the Big Ten, the Missouri Board of Regents will still have to approve the move. Sources close to the governing body say the Big Ten has told officials that Mizzou could add $1.3 million per month in revenue to the lucrative Big Ten Television Network. The Big Ten Network is currently offered on basic cable to very few of over 7 million residents living in Missouri television markets and adding it throughout the state will be a windfall for the conference.

Big Ten representatives have also told Missouri officials they would like to have the entire expansion process wrapped up this summer with a formal announcement coming no later than July.

The University of Missouri is currently under contract with the Big 12 conference and will have to pay a stiff penalty to leave the Big 12. The Big 12 charter states any member will lose between 50 and 100 percent of its shared annual revenue depending on the length of notice any school gives. According to published reports, Missouri receives around $9 million annually in shared football revenue from the Big 12. According to sources, it seems likely Missouri would give one- year notice. It is projected that Missouri's football revenues would increase by $10 million or more per year when it joins the Big Ten versus what it currently receives in the Big 12..
http://www.810whb.com/article/3527

[Lime]

the athletes have been informed via Twitter, announcements are coming Thursday.

[Aloha Mr. Hand]

In the end, Missouri and Nebraska have to pay more money to Texas to leave the conference. Sucks to be them.

[Pinehawk]

So...you're saying ISU might have a chance in the Big 12 North in the near future?

[BuffettHawk]

So...you're saying ISU might have a chance in the Big 12 North in the near future?

Only if Kansas and K-State leave as well.

[Mr. Hawk]

the athletes have been informed via Twitter, announcements are coming Thursday.
http://www.stevengoh.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/ist2_430062_middle_finger.jpg

[Thagoods]

So...you're saying ISU might have a chance in the Big 12 North in the near future?

Only if Kansas and K-State leave as well.

And Colorado.

[funnelcake]

God, can you imagine kicking the shit out of Nebby, Mizzou and Notre Dame regularly.....it's like christmas morning and Big-10-a-claus has come bearing gifts......

[MikeyJoe]

it's like christmas morning and Big-10-a-claus has come bearing gifts......
:rotf:

[ISUFan98]

It would surprise me if they added other schools besides ND. It seems that if ND were to finally acquiesce and join the Big Ten, the conference would be satisfied and stay with 12 teams.

In a way ND holds the future of two major BCS conferences in its hands.

[sergeanthulka]

So what's the over/under on ND's decision???

Staying Independent might mean less money, but it adds at least an inch & a half to their dick. So, as much as I'd like to see it, my guess is we need to go the Rutgers route...

[BuffettHawk]

It would surprise me if they added other schools besides ND. It seems that if ND were to finally acquiesce and join the Big Ten, the conference would be satisfied and stay with 12 teams.

In a way ND holds the future of two major BCS conferences in its hands.


Possibly. But the Big Ten can destroy the Big East by taking Pitt, Rutgers and Syracuse, which would forever keep Notre Dame from joining a major conference. They would be stuck with a $3 million television deal on VS.

[MikeyJoe]

So what's the over/under on ND's decision???

0.5

[MikeyJoe]

It would surprise me if they added other schools besides ND. It seems that if ND were to finally acquiesce and join the Big Ten, the conference would be satisfied and stay with 12 teams.

In a way ND holds the future of two major BCS conferences in its hands.
I gather that they're going to need to threaten ND with major conference shakeup to get them to join, which necessitates putting firm offers out to other schools.

[Jimmie Dimmick]

It would surprise me if they added other schools besides ND. It seems that if ND were to finally acquiesce and join the Big Ten, the conference would be satisfied and stay with 12 teams.

In a way ND holds the future of two major BCS conferences in its hands.

I think ultimately, ND has the entire CFB landscape in it's hands. The domino effect, if they were to say no, will be huge. If they give in to the B10, then it only affects the B10 and ND.

[TH1974]

the athletes have been informed via Twitter, announcements are coming Thursday.

This.

[ISUFan98]

So what's the over/under on ND's decision???

0.5

LMAO.

Damn, you should work in Vegas, Mikey.

[bigazzturkeylegs]

I love me some expansion talk. The potential destruction of the Big 12 is icing on the cake.

[Gushawk]

So the Rutgers offer is conditional?

Sounds like someone is talking out of their ass. Again.

[MikeyJoe]

I love me some expansion talk. The potential destruction of the Big 12 is icing on the cake.
http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/big-xii-conference/90471-big-10-expansion-has-begun.html

I'm in full Mr. Smithers "eeeexcellent" mode here.

[MikeyJoe]

So the Rutgers offer is conditional?
Did we read the same article?

[Verbal]

I love me some expansion talk. The potential destruction of the Big 12 is icing on the cake.
http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/big-xii-conference/90471-big-10-expansion-has-begun.html

I'm in full Mr. Smithers "eeeexcellent" mode here.

Mr. Burns. I don't want to know what Smithers' "excellent mode" would be.

[Match34]

So the Rutgers offer is conditional?
Did we read the same article?

I read the same article as Gus.

[MikeyJoe]

I love me some expansion talk. The potential destruction of the Big 12 is icing on the cake.
http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/big-xii-conference/90471-big-10-expansion-has-begun.html

I'm in full Mr. Smithers "eeeexcellent" mode here.

Mr. Burns. I don't want to know what Smithers' "excellent mode" would be.
God dammit. Rookie mistake.

[Lime]

I love me some expansion talk. The potential destruction of the Big 12 is icing on the cake.
http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/big-xii-conference/90471-big-10-expansion-has-begun.html

I'm in full Mr. Smithers "eeeexcellent" mode here.

Smithers? Has Mikey replaced newsbreaker in this photo with Mr. Hawk?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_xmoOVQ29VKg/SsYkk4NPKjI/AAAAAAAABnQ/xsbPiOLDN_4/s400/GALLARD%C4%86%E2%80%9CN%208.png

[MikeyJoe]

So the Rutgers offer is conditional?
Did we read the same article?

I read the same article as Gus.
It is not yet clear whether the Big Ten will expand to 14 or 16 teams but sources indicated Missouri and Nebraska are invited in either scenario. Notre Dame has repeatedly declined the opportunity to join the Big Ten. If Notre Dame remains independent, Rutgers would be the 14th team. The Big Ten would then decide whether to stop at 14 or extend offers to two other schools. If Notre Dame joins, sources say an offer will be extended to one other school making it a 16-team league.
It's a poorly written paragraph, but I read that to mean Missouri, Nebraska, and Rutgers for sure.

[lilzaphod]

the athletes have been informed via Twitter, announcements are coming Thursday.

And Kakert was the one who made the calls to those teams. Last Wednesday. He keep it in the 'other' lounge, tho.

[jabberja]

I don't mind adding Nebraska and Missouri, but it seems like that would impact Iowa more than any other current Big 10 school. Of the present Big 10 schools, we're probably the most natural/geographic rival for both of them.

[drbutkus]

Didn't the Big East issue an ultimatum to ND last week, as in join across the board or no BB membership?

[TH1974]

So the Rutgers offer is conditional?
Did we read the same article?

I read the same article as Gus.

+1.

This whole thing seems fishy. The BT is going to 'officially offer' Rutgers, "You're in if Notre Dame says no, or if they say yes and we then decide to add two more teams."?

Seems unlikely.

[TH1974]

Didn't the Big East issue an ultimatum to ND last week, as in join across the board or no BB membership?

If you believe twitter and some blogs.

[TH1974]

Did we read the same article?

I read the same article as Gus.
It is not yet clear whether the Big Ten will expand to 14 or 16 teams but sources indicated Missouri and Nebraska are invited in either scenario. Notre Dame has repeatedly declined the opportunity to join the Big Ten. If Notre Dame remains independent, Rutgers would be the 14th team. The Big Ten would then decide whether to stop at 14 or extend offers to two other schools. If Notre Dame joins, sources say an offer will be extended to one other school making it a 16-team league.
It's a poorly written paragraph, but I read that to mean Missouri, Nebraska, and Rutgers for sure.

I don't think that's correct. To me, it means that Rutgers has been invited, but will only be added if ND says no, or if the Big Ten decides to go to 16 teams.

[Match34]

Did we read the same article?

I read the same article as Gus.
It is not yet clear whether the Big Ten will expand to 14 or 16 teams but sources indicated Missouri and Nebraska are invited in either scenario. Notre Dame has repeatedly declined the opportunity to join the Big Ten. If Notre Dame remains independent, Rutgers would be the 14th team. The Big Ten would then decide whether to stop at 14 or extend offers to two other schools. If Notre Dame joins, sources say an offer will be extended to one other school making it a 16-team league.
It's a poorly written paragraph, but I read that to mean Missouri, Nebraska, and Rutgers for sure.

Fair enough. I guess I was confused by them singling out Rutgers as the 14th school. I would place them in a tie with Nebraska and Mizzou for 12th.

[MikeyJoe]

This whole thing seems fishy. The BT is going to 'officially offer' Rutgers, "You're in if Notre Dame says no, or if they say yes and we then decide to add two more teams."?

Seems unlikely.
I just think that was a bad paragraph. I think they meant it's 14 teams (Mizzou, Nebraska, Rutgers) or 16 (3 + Notre Dame + ???).

It doesn't make sense otherwise. If they could just get Missouri, Nebraska, and Notre Dame they'd stop there. And if you guys are reading it right and they get Notre Dame and go to 16, Rutgers would certainly be one of the two schools.

[funnelcake]

Did we read the same article?

I read the same article as Gus.

+1.

This whole thing seems fishy. The BT is going to 'officially offer' Rutgers, "You're in if Notre Dame says no, or if they say yes and we then decide to add two more teams."?

Seems unlikely.

I read it as those 3 to make it 14, and if ND joins another school would be offered to make it 16

[MikeyJoe]

I don't think that's correct. To me, it means that Rutgers has been invited, but will only be added if ND says no, orif the Big Ten decides to go to 16 teams.
See above. That doesn't make sense to me. I think your "or" is wrong.

[jabberja]

I don't think that's correct. To me, it means that Rutgers has been invited, but will only be added if ND says no, orif the Big Ten decides to go to 16 teams.
See above. That doesn't make sense to me. I think your "or" is wrong.

Agreed. Rutgers is in no matter. If Notre Dame joins, another school would be an invite. I'm guessing Pittsburgh.

[01BizGrad]

Did we read the same article?

I read the same article as Gus.

+1.

This whole thing seems fishy. The BT is going to 'officially offer' Rutgers, "You're in if Notre Dame says no, or if they say yes and we then decide to add two more teams."?

Seems unlikely.
They are going to 14 no matter what, so Rutgers is in right? Or are they saying Rutgers is out if ND jumps on it before them? I don't quite get it either.

Sounds like they are adding 3 for sure I guess.

[TH1974]

I don't think that's correct. To me, it means that Rutgers has been invited, but will only be added if ND says no, orif the Big Ten decides to go to 16 teams.
See above. That doesn't make sense to me. I think your "or" is wrong.

You're right. I just re-read if five or six times and it makes sense now. Kinda.

[Gushawk]

<-----PWNED. And that sucks.

[Match34]

I don't trust the report anyway, which makes me feel bad about all the effort I put into understanding it. :sad:

[Jimmie Dimmick]

I love me some expansion talk. The potential destruction of the Big 12 is icing on the cake.
http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/big-xii-conference/90471-big-10-expansion-has-begun.html

I'm in full Mr. Smithers "eeeexcellent" mode here.

If those 4 teams all accept, I think ISU might have a decent shot at being the 16th team.


:D

[fuisu98]

I love me some expansion talk. The potential destruction of the Big 12 is icing on the cake.
http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/big-xii-conference/90471-big-10-expansion-has-begun.html

I'm in full Mr. Smithers "eeeexcellent" mode here.

Hoe.Lee.Shit.

Talk about a meltdown, that thread is AWESOME.

[The Tin Man]

I love me some expansion talk. The potential destruction of the Big 12 is icing on the cake.
http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/big-xii-conference/90471-big-10-expansion-has-begun.html

I'm in full Mr. Smithers "eeeexcellent" mode here.

If those 4 teams all accept, I think ISU might have a decent shot at being the 16th team.

:rotf:

[Talkin' Goat]

Initially I didn't think adding Rutgers would be that big of a deal since NY is a pro sports town, but after reading that other article that was linked showing the BTN income disparity, I think it could be huge. If BTN revenue in "footprint" areas is 70 cents per household compared to 10 cents per household elsewhere, me thinks that would be an obscene increase in revenue.

I'm on board with Nebbie, Mizzou, and Rutgers.

[MikeyJoe]

The unfortunate part about that post is that everyone who quotes it is highlighting my dumbass mistake.

[01BizGrad]

Would this hurt or help recruiting? Speaking for just the border schools (NE and MU), would we still get the likes of Clayborn and McNutt?

[brantshawks]

I love me some expansion talk. The potential destruction of the Big 12 is icing on the cake.
http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/big-xii-conference/90471-big-10-expansion-has-begun.html

I'm in full Mr. Smithers "eeeexcellent" mode here.

If those 4 teams all accept, I think ISU might have a decent shot at being the 16th team.

:rotf:

:)

I love that board. LOVE it.

[bigazzturkeylegs]

Would this hurt or help recruiting? Speaking for just the border schools (NE and MU), would we still get the likes of Clayborn and McNutt?
I doubt Clayborn and McNutt came to Iowa over Mizzou because they loved the B10 so much more than the B12.

[brantshawks]

Would this hurt or help recruiting? Speaking for just the border schools (NE and MU), would we still get the likes of Clayborn and McNutt?
I doubt Clayborn and McNutt came to Iowa over Mizzou because they loved the B10 so much more than the B12.

For the facebook friends then?

[bigazzturkeylegs]

I know I've seen all of the opinions about this but I still just think it'd be better for the Big 10 to add another natural rivalry from a current member, such as Iowa/Iowa State. Basketball is on the upswing again and would hang with the powerhouses and football will be up there again soon also. I could see us being similar to Purdue most years.

:rollfloor:

[01BizGrad]

Would this hurt or help recruiting? Speaking for just the border schools (NE and MU), would we still get the likes of Clayborn and McNutt?
I doubt Clayborn and McNutt came to Iowa over Mizzou because they loved the B10 so much more than the B12.

Could be true. It probably makes no difference as the hawks still pull them out of WI, IL, and MN. Just throwing it out there.

[01BizGrad]

I could see us being similar to Purdue most years.

:rollfloor:

Reach for the stars ISU, reach for the stars!

I should start reading that board.

[Verbal]

I know I've seen all of the opinions about this but I still just think it'd be better for the Big 10 to add another natural rivalry from a current member, such as Iowa/Iowa State. Basketball is on the upswing again and would hang with the powerhouses and football will be up there again soon also. I could see us being similar to Purdue most years.

:rollfloor:

:rotf::rotf:

[TH1974]

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/big-xii-conference/90471-big-10-expansion-has-begun.html

I'm in full Mr. Smithers "eeeexcellent" mode here.

If those 4 teams all accept, I think ISU might have a decent shot at being the 16th team.

:rotf:

:)

I love that board. LOVE it.

Dammit....I wish I had nothing else to do this afternoon. Following that board is great entertainment some days.

[SL]

I could see us being similar to Purdue most years.

Only an Iowa State fan would wish their athletic program to reach the height of a Purdue.

Keep the dream alive, Mr. hard2clone.

[Jimmie Dimmick]

do these retards even watch CFB?

Yes Iowa has had down years, but when they are good they are hard to beat. Most of the last 25 years they have been a good team. They have had a better history the last 25 years than any Big 12 North team. The better team has won the ISU-Iowa game 9 out of 10 years. The reason the games are so close is the makeup of the teams is so different and they both have a style of play the other isnt used to.

[Gushawk]

Others are suggesting a move to a conference that they can compete for titles in, like the MAC.

[fuisu98]

Maybe Iowa and Nebby will put in a good word for us and we can join to make the 16th team. Or maybe we could go independent? It works for ND why not us?


Good lord.

[jabberja]

Maybe Iowa and Nebby will put in a good word for us and we can join to make the 16th team. Or maybe we could go independent? It works for ND why not us?


Good lord.

Hey, I'd be willing to put in a good word for ISU. It'd be better to play them in the Big Ten than be required to play them as an OOC game. Having said that, it ain't gonna happen.

[Mr. Hawk]

Maybe Iowa and Nebby will put in a good word for us and we can join to make the 16th team. Or maybe we could go independent? It works for ND why not us?
Good lord.
That's the craziest post I've seen thus far.

[funnelcake]

Maybe Iowa and Nebby will put in a good word for us and we can join to make the 16th team. Or maybe we could go independent? It works for ND why not us?


Good lord.

I was going to post that one as well....LOL

[bigazzturkeylegs]

Okay, which one of you is UNIGuy4Cy?

[TH1974]

Maybe Iowa and Nebby will put in a good word for us and we can join to make the 16th team. Or maybe we could go independent? It works for ND why not us?


Good lord.

I saw some of those posts last week or the week before. Those people are fucking idiots.

[fuisu98]

Maybe Iowa and Nebby will put in a good word for us and we can join to make the 16th team. Or maybe we could go independent? It works for ND why not us?


Good lord.

I was going to post that one as well....LOL

The gems just keep coming....

Wonder how many of our name coaches we would lose by joining a second-tier conference? Pollard too.

[Talkin' Goat]

I dont know, what if Neb and Missouri want to keep their rivalies alive with ISU and they make a stipulation they will only join if ISU comes along as the 16th team?
:rollfloor:

[Jimmie Dimmick]

http://my.journalstar.com/post/Husker_Extra_Group/Husker_Extra/blog/perlman_report_untrue.html

Perlman: Report untrue
Posted by: Steve Sipple on May 10, 2010 at 2:24PM CST
A radio station in Kansas City reported Monday that the Big Ten has extended offers to four schools to join the league -- including Nebraska.

Here's the link...http://www.810whb.com/article/3527

Asked whether the report has any validity as it applies to Nebraska, UNL chancellor Harvey Perlman said, "None whatsoever."

Expect there to be many more of these reports until the Big Ten announces something officially.

[TH1974]

Okay, which one of you is UNIGuy4Cy?

This has to be a panthernation poster.

[funnelcake]

These have to be iowa fans making them look even worse.....LOL

[TH1974]

The gems just keep coming....

Wonder how many of our name coaches we would lose by joining a second-tier conference? Pollard too.

Hoiberg will likely jump to the NBA.

[brantshawks]

These have to be iowa fans making them look even worse.....LOL

I hope so for the sake of the Iowa public school system.

[Mr. Hawk]

Maybe Iowa and Nebby will put in a good word for us and we can join to make the 16th team. Or maybe we could go independent? It works for ND why not us?
Good lord.

I was going to post that one as well....LOL
Hey, joining the NFL worked for the Bears, why not not Iowa State?

[Hawk_Kegmasters]

Also, in which conference would you expect a team to be able to have year in year out success, the Big 10 West or the SEC West? There is a reason why ISU can compete with Iowa, yet struggle in the Big 12.

[fuisu98]

Finally some sound logic.


Originally Posted by CycloneNC2015
What if we went to the MAC? We have played Kent State the last 3 years OOC. We are 2-1 agianst them and the MAC seems to field some good teams. Maybe we could become the flagship school of that conference.


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[funnelcake]

Finally some sound logic.


Originally Posted by CycloneNC2015
What if we went to the MAC? We have played Kent State the last 3 years OOC. We are 2-1 agianst them and the MAC seems to field some good teams. Maybe we could become the flagship school of that conference.


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Sounds like Penn State's thoughts before coming to the Big 10......(wink)

[fuisu98]

Ok, which onee of you is "Thatguy" over at CF

Thatguy: I'm not talking about going to the MAC. Just refining our conference that we have a shot at winning.
You have to be kidding to think that we have a shot at a conference title with those schools.


LMAO

[TH1974]

Ok, which onee of you is "Thatguy" over at CF

Thatguy: I'm not talking about going to the MAC. Just refining our conference that we have a shot at winning.
You have to be kidding to think that we have a shot at a conference title with those schools.



What?

[Hacksaw Jim Duggan]

ND sort of has to play game theory, if they decline then Big 10 takes 2 Big East schools. They really have to map out their potential outcomes.

I think they accept this time around and football schedules just got really interesting. It would be great to see them get mired in the lower half of the league in standings, having Northwestern torture them every year.

I will say I could not handle losing to ND or Nebraska-EVER.

[xr4ticlone]

I only have one comment.

Be careful what you wish for.

[TH1974]

I only have one comment.

Be careful what you wish for.

Just saw that.

[hawkeyealum]

Nebraska doesn't excite me at all. Their football is just ok and they struggled in the B12 North again. If the team doesn't bounce back like they hope, Nebraska brings nothing else nationally. At all.

[fuisu98]

If this happens it completely kills Big 12 wrestling. It would take away 2 of the conferences 5 teams.

[funnelcake]

I only have one comment:

In my travels I find that 98% of people fall into one of three categories when it comes to the UofI.

1. They have no idea about the UofI and don't care.
2. They know the the UofI and think their fans are some of college sport's biggest D-bags.
3. They ARE a D-bag Iowa fan.

fixed (wink)

[Verbal]

I only have one comment.

Be careful what you wish for.

The world is ending in the next 25 years, so it won't really matter anyway.

[Lime]

Nebraska doesn't excite me at all. Their football is just ok and they struggled in the B12 North again. If the team doesn't bounce back like they hope, Nebraska brings nothing else nationally. At all.

Nebraska would have had the 4th-highest winning percentage over the last 5 years of any Big Ten school and would have ranked 3rd-highest over the last decade.

[brantshawks]

I'm wondering which people that have posted in this thread here on Halo are also posters in that form on cf.com...

[lilzaphod]

It would be great to see them get mired in the lower half of the league in standings, having Northwestern torture them every year.


Maybe those assholes will stop picking on us.

[ISUFan98]

Nebraska doesn't excite me at all. Their football is just ok and they struggled in the B12 North again. If the team doesn't bounce back like they hope, Nebraska brings nothing else nationally. At all.

Nebraska would have had the 4th-highest winning percentage over the last 5 years of any Big Ten school and would have ranked 3rd-highest over the last decade.

Nebraska academically is nothing to crow about, but to argue that their football program wouldn't be a huge get for the Big Ten is ridiculous.

[DoeyHawk]

Nebraska doesn't excite me at all. Their football is just ok and they struggled in the B12 North again. If the team doesn't bounce back like they hope, Nebraska brings nothing else nationally. At all.

Nebraska would have had the 4th-highest winning percentage over the last 5 years of any Big Ten school and would have ranked 3rd-highest over the last decade.

Nebraska academically is nothing to crow about, but to argue that their football program wouldn't be a huge get for the Big Ten is ridiculous.

Depends on how you measure "huge get". This is a money grab by the Big Ten. The entire state of Nebraska has what, 1.5 million people? Not a huge tv market by any measure.

[BuffettHawk]

Nebraska would have had the 4th-highest winning percentage over the last 5 years of any Big Ten school and would have ranked 3rd-highest over the last decade.

Nebraska academically is nothing to crow about, but to argue that their football program wouldn't be a huge get for the Big Ten is ridiculous.

Depends on how you measure "huge get". This is a money grab by the Big Ten. The entire state of Nebraska has what, 1.5 million people? Not a huge tv market by any measure.

Yeah, but their fanbase is HUGE.

[MoneyPit]

Nebraska academically is nothing to crow about, but to argue that their football program wouldn't be a huge get for the Big Ten is ridiculous.

Depends on how you measure "huge get". This is a money grab by the Big Ten. The entire state of Nebraska has what, 1.5 million people? Not a huge tv market by any measure.

Yeah, but their fanbase is HUGE.


Please explain how weight plays into this discussion.

[Jimmie Dimmick]

Depends on how you measure "huge get". This is a money grab by the Big Ten. The entire state of Nebraska has what, 1.5 million people? Not a huge tv market by any measure.

Yeah, but their fanbase is HUGE.


Please explain how weight plays into this discussion.

Iowa won't be the fattest fan base any longer?

[lilzaphod]

That thread is a let down. 17 pages, and very few "we're really a good get, why are we being overlooked?" comments.

I don't have enough time/patience to shift for the gems.

[bigazzturkeylegs]

BHGP EXCLUSIVE: Big Ten Offers Five Schools For Expansion (http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/2010/5/10/1466034/bhgp-exclusive-big-ten-offers-five)

[lilzaphod]

BHGP EXCLUSIVE: Big Ten Offers Five Schools For Expansion (http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/2010/5/10/1466034/bhgp-exclusive-big-ten-offers-five)

Isn't that rumor mongering? I thought they were above that.

[The Drake]

I don't mind adding Nebraska and Missouri, but it seems like that would impact Iowa more than any other current Big 10 school. Of the present Big 10 schools, we're probably the most natural/geographic rival for both of them.

Are you not counting ILL for Mizzou? I know they play every year anyway, but it would become a conference game in this scenario.

[jabberja]

I don't mind adding Nebraska and Missouri, but it seems like that would impact Iowa more than any other current Big 10 school. Of the present Big 10 schools, we're probably the most natural/geographic rival for both of them.

Are you not counting ILL for Mizzou? I know they play every year anyway, but it would become a conference game in this scenario.

I was waiting for someone to say that.

Columbia to Iowa City is about 230 miles.

Columbia to Champaign is about 300 miles.

[ollie 4 iowa]

Finally some sound logic.


Originally Posted by CycloneNC2015
What if we went to the MAC? We have played Kent State the last 3 years OOC. We are 2-1 agianst them and the MAC seems to field some good teams. Maybe we could become the flagship school of that conference.


leave

Kent State, Miami, OH, Toledo coming to town will do nothing but have their attendance take a huge plunge. Which in turn will dramatically lower money given to the university by donors etc. Fielding a team that would be competitive would be a huge thing for ISU year in and year out, but Jack Trice will be a virtual ghost town on Saturdays.

[Pseudonym]

Little brother....

[The Drake]

I don't mind adding Nebraska and Missouri, but it seems like that would impact Iowa more than any other current Big 10 school. Of the present Big 10 schools, we're probably the most natural/geographic rival for both of them.

Are you not counting ILL for Mizzou? I know they play every year anyway, but it would become a conference game in this scenario.

I was waiting for someone to say that.

Columbia to Iowa City is about 230 miles.

Columbia to Champaign is about 300 miles.

It's all well and good that they are physically closer to Iowa City, but ILL-Mizzou is already an established "border war" rivalry. Making it a conference game would only increase the rivalry's meaning.

[jabberja]

Are you not counting ILL for Mizzou? I know they play every year anyway, but it would become a conference game in this scenario.

I was waiting for someone to say that.

Columbia to Iowa City is about 230 miles.

Columbia to Champaign is about 300 miles.

It's all well and good that they are physically closer to Iowa City, but ILL-Mizzou is already an established "border war" rivalry. Making it a conference game would only increase the rivalry's meaning.

Maybe, but I kind of doubt it. It doesn't seem like that "rivalry" is really that big of a deal. Within the Big 10, Illinois has more natural/geographic rivals...Northwestern and Purdue in particular. Just being on the western and southern fringes of the Big 10 makes Iowa-Mizzou an instant rivalry.

[Pseudonym]

Are you not counting ILL for Mizzou? I know they play every year anyway, but it would become a conference game in this scenario.

I was waiting for someone to say that.

Columbia to Iowa City is about 230 miles.

Columbia to Champaign is about 300 miles.

It's all well and good that they are physically closer to Iowa City, but ILL-Mizzou is already an established "border war" rivalry. Making it a conference game would only increase the rivalry's meaning.

This could be nasty if it wasn't for Mizzou's domination. Now most Illinois fans claim they don't really care about the game.

[jabberja]

When in comes down to it, I wonder if Iowa's rivalries with Wisconsin and even Minnesota will no longer be annual rivalries.

[HawkeyeJonesEsq]

When in comes down to it, I wonder if Iowa's rivalries with Wisconsin and even Minnesota will no longer be annual rivalries.

Even with 16 teams in the league I would think they would have to do it east/west just for the sake of rivalries.

If Iowa had Iowa State, Nebraska, Illinois, Missouri, Minnesota, and Wisconsin on the schedule every year it would be great for rivalries. Plus Northwestern has been kicking our ass lately and they see us as their biggest rival.

I could really care less if it is seen as having all the "big boys" on the other side of the equation. The best thing about Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State and ND playing each other every year is that someone has to lose.

[lilzaphod]

Finally some sound logic.


Originally Posted by CycloneNC2015
What if we went to the MAC? We have played Kent State the last 3 years OOC. We are 2-1 agianst them and the MAC seems to field some good teams. Maybe we could become the flagship school of that conference.


leave

Kent State, Miami, OH, Toledo coming to town will do nothing but have their attendance take a huge plunge. Which in turn will dramatically lower money given to the university by donors etc. Fielding a team that would be competitive would be a huge thing for ISU year in and year out, but Jack Trice will be a virtual ghost town on Saturdays.

As if it's not a Ghost town now...

[jabberja]

When in comes down to it, I wonder if Iowa's rivalries with Wisconsin and even Minnesota will no longer be annual rivalries.

Even with 16 teams in the league I would think they would have to do it east/west just for the sake of rivalries.

If Iowa had Iowa State, Nebraska, Illinois, Missouri, Minnesota, and Wisconsin on the schedule every year it would be great for rivalries. Plus Northwestern has been kicking our ass lately and they see us as their biggest rival.

I could really care less if it is seen as having all the "big boys" on the other side of the equation. The best thing about Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State and ND playing each other every year is that someone has to lose.

I hope that they don't do anything cutesy for the "big boys." There isn't a guarantee that the "big boys" now will be the big boys 10 years from the now. The ACC went way too cutesy with their divisions and it really hasn't worked according to plan anyway. Hopefully the Big 10 doesn't follow suit.

[TH1974]

Here's a good thread...

Conference realignment and current recruits

Does all this talk about ISU getting left in the dust hurt our current recruiting efforts?

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/football/90496-conference-realignment-current-recruitss.html

[jabberja]

Here's a good thread...

Conference realignment and current recruits

Does all this talk about ISU getting left in the dust hurt our current recruiting efforts?

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/football/90496-conference-realignment-current-recruitss.html

Wow. One of the posters thinks that it will help ISU since Nebraska/Mizzou will be conceding Texas.

[TH1974]

Here's a good thread...

Conference realignment and current recruits

Does all this talk about ISU getting left in the dust hurt our current recruiting efforts?

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/football/90496-conference-realignment-current-recruitss.html

Wow. One of the posters thinks that it will help ISU since Nebraska/Mizzou will be conceding Texas.

That's the best of the bunch.

[TH1974]

Wanny: Mum's the word --

Wannstedt: 'Zero' talks about expansion

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- Pittsburgh coach Dave Wannstedt is staying away from questions about Big Ten expansion.

Wannstedt and Penn State coach Joe Paterno addressed reporters Wednesday in State College after the two met with Pennsylvania high school football coaches.

Wannstedt declined comment when asked afterward of rumors that Pitt is a possible Big Ten target. Wannstedt said he has had "zero" discussions about the issue and that any talks would be taken up by school administrators.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5165776

[hawkeyealum]

Nebraska academically is nothing to crow about, but to argue that their football program wouldn't be a huge get for the Big Ten is ridiculous.

Depends on how you measure "huge get". This is a money grab by the Big Ten. The entire state of Nebraska has what, 1.5 million people? Not a huge tv market by any measure.

Yeah, but their fanbase is HUGE.

I agree that their fanbase is big and football is king in lincoln, it just seems that nationally they are less relevant than they were 10 years ago. This is clearly a money play and I dont think the extra $$ generated from NU football will be all that much.

I would enjoy kicking their dick in the dirt sometime though. I am still bitter about the assholes that sat in the Iowa student section a few years back when they worked us.

[TH1974]

How to deal with the Big 10 once and for all

All of this expansion talk has really been ticking me off...Mostly because yes, ISU gets the shaft. But the elitist attitude of the Big 11 is just rubbing me the wrong way...In this process, they will deal crippling blows to 2 fellow BCS conference members...For what? More money? Power? Prestige? Well, I say that its time to make a stand. One that would be painful in the short term but one that would make a point. Any mix below would hit the Big 10 where it hurts.

1) Every other D1 football school shuns playing Big 10 schools in any situation. Make it a contract amongst ourselves. Pay your way out of any games scheduled at their place. With no non-conference opponents with a pulse, it crushes them in the computers for the BCS title and in some cases eligibility for bowl games.

Now some schools such as ISU may be stuck by their states that demand they play in-state opponents..In that case, we take it to DefCon2

2) Kick all of the Big 11 schools(including the traitors from the Big 12 and Big East) out of the NCAA...IF that doesn't fly, everybody else pulls out...we then make pitches to the smaller conferences including the basketball ones to come with us...would you rather stay with the majority or 14-16 elitists jerks with(at that point) only the Big 11 network.

Leaving them on an island alone messes up Bowl games(no opponents) and when it comes to NCAA tourney time, no place to go. No non-conference opponents in basketball further destroys their credibility.

Sure this seems drastic(kind of like Napalming a cornfield to kill the bugs) and never would happen due to the spineless weasels that run our universities but dang its nice to think about...

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/big-xii-conference/90513-how-deal-big-10-once-all.html

[BuffettHawk]

How to deal with the Big 10 once and for all

All of this expansion talk has really been ticking me off...Mostly because yes, ISU gets the shaft. But the elitist attitude of the Big 11 is just rubbing me the wrong way...In this process, they will deal crippling blows to 2 fellow BCS conference members...For what? More money? Power? Prestige? Well, I say that its time to make a stand. One that would be painful in the short term but one that would make a point. Any mix below would hit the Big 10 where it hurts.

1) Every other D1 football school shuns playing Big 10 schools in any situation. Make it a contract amongst ourselves. Pay your way out of any games scheduled at their place. With no non-conference opponents with a pulse, it crushes them in the computers for the BCS title and in some cases eligibility for bowl games.

Now some schools such as ISU may be stuck by their states that demand they play in-state opponents..In that case, we take it to DefCon2

2) Kick all of the Big 11 schools(including the traitors from the Big 12 and Big East) out of the NCAA...IF that doesn't fly, everybody else pulls out...we then make pitches to the smaller conferences including the basketball ones to come with us...would you rather stay with the majority or 14-16 elitists jerks with(at that point) only the Big 11 network.

Leaving them on an island alone messes up Bowl games(no opponents) and when it comes to NCAA tourney time, no place to go. No non-conference opponents in basketball further destroys their credibility.

Sure this seems drastic(kind of like Napalming a cornfield to kill the bugs) and never would happen due to the spineless weasels that run our universities but dang its nice to think about...

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/big-xii-conference/90513-how-deal-big-10-once-all.html

:rotf:

That's glorious.

[hmbbone]

How to deal with the Big 10 once and for all

All of this expansion talk has really been ticking me off...Mostly because yes, ISU gets the shaft. But the elitist attitude of the Big 11 is just rubbing me the wrong way...In this process, they will deal crippling blows to 2 fellow BCS conference members...For what? More money? Power? Prestige? Well, I say that its time to make a stand. One that would be painful in the short term but one that would make a point. Any mix below would hit the Big 10 where it hurts.

1) Every other D1 football school shuns playing Big 10 schools in any situation. Make it a contract amongst ourselves. Pay your way out of any games scheduled at their place. With no non-conference opponents with a pulse, it crushes them in the computers for the BCS title and in some cases eligibility for bowl games.

Now some schools such as ISU may be stuck by their states that demand they play in-state opponents..In that case, we take it to DefCon2

2) Kick all of the Big 11 schools(including the traitors from the Big 12 and Big East) out of the NCAA...IF that doesn't fly, everybody else pulls out...we then make pitches to the smaller conferences including the basketball ones to come with us...would you rather stay with the majority or 14-16 elitists jerks with(at that point) only the Big 11 network.

Leaving them on an island alone messes up Bowl games(no opponents) and when it comes to NCAA tourney time, no place to go. No non-conference opponents in basketball further destroys their credibility.

Sure this seems drastic(kind of like Napalming a cornfield to kill the bugs) and never would happen due to the spineless weasels that run our universities but dang its nice to think about...

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/big-xii-conference/90513-how-deal-big-10-once-all.html

:rollfloor::rotf::rollfloor:

[lilzaphod]

And I had written that thread off... Nice find.

[newsbreaker]

How to deal with the Big 10 once and for all

All of this expansion talk has really been ticking me off...Mostly because yes, ISU gets the shaft. But the elitist attitude of the Big 11 is just rubbing me the wrong way...In this process, they will deal crippling blows to 2 fellow BCS conference members...For what? More money? Power? Prestige? Well, I say that its time to make a stand. One that would be painful in the short term but one that would make a point. Any mix below would hit the Big 10 where it hurts.

1) Every other D1 football school shuns playing Big 10 schools in any situation. Make it a contract amongst ourselves. Pay your way out of any games scheduled at their place. With no non-conference opponents with a pulse, it crushes them in the computers for the BCS title and in some cases eligibility for bowl games.

Now some schools such as ISU may be stuck by their states that demand they play in-state opponents..In that case, we take it to DefCon2

2) Kick all of the Big 11 schools(including the traitors from the Big 12 and Big East) out of the NCAA...IF that doesn't fly, everybody else pulls out...we then make pitches to the smaller conferences including the basketball ones to come with us...would you rather stay with the majority or 14-16 elitists jerks with(at that point) only the Big 11 network.

Leaving them on an island alone messes up Bowl games(no opponents) and when it comes to NCAA tourney time, no place to go. No non-conference opponents in basketball further destroys their credibility.

Sure this seems drastic(kind of like Napalming a cornfield to kill the bugs) and never would happen due to the spineless weasels that run our universities but dang its nice to think about...

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/big-xii-conference/90513-how-deal-big-10-once-all.html

:rollfloor:

That is hysterical!

[TH1974]

Here's another one, almost as bad...

A thought

It has occured to me that if the Big 10 expands (which appears inevitable) that sooner or later some of their teams will become a drag on the money pie. At that point they will have to look at "pruning" the league. The most obvious choices to cull from the herd would be Northwestern and Iowa. They could still have all the TV sets in Illinois with the Illini and the state of Iowa has such a low population that they could easily get rid of them with virtually no downside. Sure Iowa has a loyal fan base but the league looks at the small pop. and says' "What the heck, why should we give Iowa an equal share of our reveue pie? If we got rid of them everyone else gets a bigger piece".

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/football/90512-thought.html

[newsbreaker]

Those people just don't know how anything works. I have a suspicion they enter a public bathroom, slam their ass up against the door and start licking the toilet paper dispenser.

[lilzaphod]

Those people just don't know how anything works. I have a suspicion they enter a public bathroom, slam their ass up against the door and start licking the toilet paper dispenser.

2 Dudes, one stall...

[jayers1016]

Originally Posted by The_Architect
This is correct.

Iowa fans claiming rivalry with tOSU is equally as absurd as ISU fan claiming NU rivalry.
The difference being ISU actually beats NU every so often...

I'd love to see the historical records of ISU-NU and UI-OSU. I'm sure they haven't beat Nebraska any more than we've beat OSU. Fucking idiots. Also...I don't know of any Hawkeye fans who claim we have a rivalry with OSU.

[Hawk_Kegmasters]

Iowa 14-44-3 vs. Buckeyes. Someone else will have to look up the ISU/NU series because I don't want my computer to get TehAids by visiting a Clone or Husker website.

[Legend12]

Iowa is 14-44-3 against OSU
ISU is 17-84-2 against Nebraska

[Pseudonym]

ISU is 17-84-2 against Nebraska

1-0 since 2009 though!

[Lime]

Iowa 14-44-3 vs. Buckeyes. Someone else will have to look up the ISU/NU series because I don't want my computer to get TehAids by visiting a Clone or Husker website.

Iowa State vs. Nebraska: 17-85-2 (.173 winning percentage, average score 26-10)
Iowa vs. Ohio State: 14-45-3 (.250 winning percentage, average score 26-14)

[Pseudonym]

still one of my fondest ISU football memories, getting free 50 yard line tickets to this game from parents friends and making my older brother take me.

http://visions.isualum.org/spring07/sports-seiler.jpg

[Legend12]

Originally Posted by The_Architect
This is correct.

Iowa fans claiming rivalry with tOSU is equally as absurd as ISU fan claiming NU rivalry.
The difference being ISU actually beats NU every so often... I'd love to see the historical records of ISU-NU and UI-OSU. I'm sure they haven't beat Nebraska any more than we've beat OSU. Fucking idiots. Also...I don't know of any Hawkeye fans who claim we have a rivalry with OSU.


I just saw his post and this line: "The difference being ISU actually beats NU every so often..." is not part of what he posted.

[TH1974]

BHGP gets all high-and-mighty again...

http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/2010/5/11/1466978/shocker-anonymous-reports-on-big

They've no time for such unsubstantiated rumors. Sticking to real journalism like fake conversations between angry Joe Paterno and a sasquatch or something.

[newsbreaker]

BHGP are great, but they could spend some time thinking about what they are.

[ivan_drago]

BHGP gets all high-and-mighty again...

http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/2010/5/11/1466978/shocker-anonymous-reports-on-big

They've no time for such unsubstantiated rumors. Sticking to real journalism like fake conversations between angry Joe Paterno and a sasquatch or something.


Adam Jacobi told me to stop being a cunt on Twitter and spreading the dirty rumor that Todd Lickliter was going to be gone two days before it happened.

Thank God he's the voice of reason!

(FWIW, I love BHGP, minus the retarded obsession with Hockeybear and J Lehman.)

[Match34]

I like their podcasts.

[MikeyJoe]

I love BGHP. The site is hilarious, and they stuff they do like the podcasts are great features.

For some reason they're just really weird about "rumors".

[TH1974]

I like BHGP a lot, but this shit is stupid.

[ivan_drago]

I love BGHP. The site is hilarious, and they stuff they do like the podcasts are great features.

For some reason they're just really weird about "rumors".

I love the site too. Minus their absolutely, blatantly retarded stuff. Like the "Marchifornication" thing. And, as I said, the creator's unhealthy sexual fantasy with J Lehman.

[Aloha Mr. Hand]

I still think all this leaking being done is still a ruse to cover up some other names. What those are, I don't know.

[TH1974]

i still think all this leaking being done is still a ruse to cover up some other names. What those are, i don't know.

i
s
u

[Aloha Mr. Hand]

i still think all this leaking being done is still a ruse to cover up some other names. What those are, i don't know.

i
s
u

That goes without saying, TH.

[ivan_drago]

i still think all this leaking being done is still a ruse to cover up some other names. What those are, i don't know.

i
s
u

Hoiberg has every Big 10 athletic director on speed dial.

[lilzaphod]

BHGP gets all high-and-mighty again...

http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/2010/5/11/1466978/shocker-anonymous-reports-on-big

They've no time for such unsubstantiated rumors. Sticking to real journalism like fake conversations between angry Joe Paterno and a sasquatch or something.


Adam Jacobi told me to stop being a cunt on Twitter and spreading the dirty rumor that Todd Lickliter was going to be gone two days before it happened.

Thank God he's the voice of reason!

(FWIW, I love BHGP, minus the retarded obsession with Hockeybear and J Lehman.)

Fuck that. I'd trade all of you UNI blowers for a single confirmed post from
Hockybear.

Hell, I'd pimp your mom's out for cash and/or white slavery if we could get their marketing department to do a similar opening with Herky.

[ivan_drago]

BHGP gets all high-and-mighty again...

http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/2010/5/11/1466978/shocker-anonymous-reports-on-big

They've no time for such unsubstantiated rumors. Sticking to real journalism like fake conversations between angry Joe Paterno and a sasquatch or something.


Adam Jacobi told me to stop being a cunt on Twitter and spreading the dirty rumor that Todd Lickliter was going to be gone two days before it happened.

Thank God he's the voice of reason!

(FWIW, I love BHGP, minus the retarded obsession with Hockeybear and J Lehman.)

Fuck that. I'd trade all of you UNI blowers for a single confirmed post from
Hockybear.

Hell, I'd pimp your mom's out for cash and/or white slavery if we could get their marketing department to do a similar opening with Herky.

Shocking. Zaph likes hockeybear.

:rolleyes:

[lilzaphod]

Adam Jacobi told me to stop being a cunt on Twitter and spreading the dirty rumor that Todd Lickliter was going to be gone two days before it happened.

Thank God he's the voice of reason!

(FWIW, I love BHGP, minus the retarded obsession with Hockeybear and J Lehman.)

Fuck that. I'd trade all of you UNI blowers for a single confirmed post from
Hockybear.

Hell, I'd pimp your mom's out for cash and/or white slavery if we could get their marketing department to do a similar opening with Herky.

Shocking. Zaph likes hockeybear.

:rolleyes:

Shocking - someone with a confirmed stick in their ass doesn't.

[jayers1016]

Originally Posted by The_Architect
This is correct.

Iowa fans claiming rivalry with tOSU is equally as absurd as ISU fan claiming NU rivalry.
The difference being ISU actually beats NU every so often... I'd love to see the historical records of ISU-NU and UI-OSU. I'm sure they haven't beat Nebraska any more than we've beat OSU. Fucking idiots. Also...I don't know of any Hawkeye fans who claim we have a rivalry with OSU.


I just saw his post and this line: "The difference being ISU actually beats NU every so often..." is not part of what he posted.

But someone after him posted that...it just didn't show up right when I quoted it.

[ISUFan98]

How to deal with the Big 10 once and for all

All of this expansion talk has really been ticking me off...Mostly because yes, ISU gets the shaft. But the elitist attitude of the Big 11 is just rubbing me the wrong way...In this process, they will deal crippling blows to 2 fellow BCS conference members...For what? More money? Power? Prestige? Well, I say that its time to make a stand. One that would be painful in the short term but one that would make a point. Any mix below would hit the Big 10 where it hurts.

1) Every other D1 football school shuns playing Big 10 schools in any situation. Make it a contract amongst ourselves. Pay your way out of any games scheduled at their place. With no non-conference opponents with a pulse, it crushes them in the computers for the BCS title and in some cases eligibility for bowl games.

Now some schools such as ISU may be stuck by their states that demand they play in-state opponents..In that case, we take it to DefCon2

2) Kick all of the Big 11 schools(including the traitors from the Big 12 and Big East) out of the NCAA...IF that doesn't fly, everybody else pulls out...we then make pitches to the smaller conferences including the basketball ones to come with us...would you rather stay with the majority or 14-16 elitists jerks with(at that point) only the Big 11 network.

Leaving them on an island alone messes up Bowl games(no opponents) and when it comes to NCAA tourney time, no place to go. No non-conference opponents in basketball further destroys their credibility.

Sure this seems drastic(kind of like Napalming a cornfield to kill the bugs) and never would happen due to the spineless weasels that run our universities but dang its nice to think about...

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/big-xii-conference/90513-how-deal-big-10-once-all.html

Um, what?

Let me again state that the opinions expressed on CF are not necessarily the opinions of Cyclone fans that aren't sports retarded.

[Debit One]

Let me again state that the opinions expressed on CF are not necessarily the opinions of Cyclone fans that aren't sports retarded.

The monthly luncheon meeting of the Cyclone Fans Who Aren't Sports Retarded Club can probably feed everyone from a single bucket of KFC.

[lilzaphod]

Let me again state that the opinions expressed on CF are not necessarily the opinions of Cyclone fans that aren't sports retarded.

The monthly luncheon meeting of the Cyclone Fans Who Aren't Sports Retarded Club can probably feed everyone from the crumbs from a single bucket of KFC.

.

[TH1974]

Keep hope alive, clone fans!

ESPN Radio mentions ISU in Big 10 talk

Last night I was running some errands after dinner and ESPN Radio was talking Big 10 expansion. This isn't prime time for talk radio and it was one of their lesser-known hosts. A caller dialed in and said besides Mizzou there are two other teams that make perfect sense for Big 10 expansion: Iowa State and Pitt. His reasoning was they fit geographically and bring two big in-state rivalries to the table (ISU-UI and Pitt-PSU). The host and a couple subsequent callers strongly agreed.

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/big-xii-conference/90543-espn-radio-mentions-isu-big-10-talk.html

[brantshawks]

Keep hope alive, clone fans!

ESPN Radio mentions ISU in Big 10 talk

Last night I was running some errands after dinner and ESPN Radio was talking Big 10 expansion. This isn't prime time for talk radio and it was one of their lesser-known hosts. A caller dialed in and said besides Mizzou there are two other teams that make perfect sense for Big 10 expansion: Iowa State and Pitt. His reasoning was they fit geographically and bring two big in-state rivalries to the table (ISU-UI and Pitt-PSU). The host and a couple subsequent callers strongly agreed.

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/big-xii-conference/90543-espn-radio-mentions-isu-big-10-talk.html

So now espn are feeding the trolls? Cool.

[hawkeyealum]

nice....B10 is arrogant and awful if they blow up the Big 12/Big east but they are awesome if they let ISU in to the party

[ISUFan98]

nice....B10 is arrogant and awful if they blow up the Big 12/Big east but they are awesome if they let ISU in to the party

I don't look at it that way.

ISU would be lucky to join the Big 10.

And if the Big 12 conference implodes and ISU has to go to the Mountain West? That's the way the cookie crumbles.

[lilzaphod]

nice....B10 is arrogant and awful if they blow up the Big 12/Big east but they are awesome if they let ISU in to the party

I don't look at it that way.

ISU would be lucky to join the Big 10.

And if the Big 12 conference implodes and ISU has to go to the Mountain West? That's the way the cookie crumbles.

Just so you know, I think you are retarded by ISU standards. Which makes you kinda normal.

Why did you end up at sheep-fucker U, anyway?

[brantshawks]

nice....B10 is arrogant and awful if they blow up the Big 12/Big east but they are awesome if they let ISU in to the party

I don't look at it that way.

ISU would be lucky to join the Big 10.

And if the Big 12 conference implodes and ISU has to go to the Mountain West? That's the way the cookie crumbles.

Just so you know, I think you are retarded by ISU standards. Which makes you kinda normal.

Why did you end up at sheep-fucker U
I'd like to reword this to:

''why did you end up cheering for sheep-fucker U?''

(coving my ass just in case I end up in a master's program there)

[lilzaphod]

I don't look at it that way.

ISU would be lucky to join the Big 10.

And if the Big 12 conference implodes and ISU has to go to the Mountain West? That's the way the cookie crumbles.

Just so you know, I think you are retarded by ISU standards. Which makes you kinda normal.

Why did you end up at sheep-fucker U
I'd like to reword this to:

''why did you end up cheering for sheep-fucker U?''

(coving my ass just in case I end up in a master's program there)

Why, are you a sheep? :)

[bigazzturkeylegs]

One thing I haven't seen much discussion on is the non-conf. value we have to Iowa - it does not help them in any way if the conference that we're in dissolves, becomes a joke, etc. They play us in lots of sports, and getting beat by a "joke team" from a "joke conference" hurts their strength of schedule and chances at championships (or major bowls.) Rival or not, our conf. status matters to the Hawks.lol

Plus, Iowa's fanatical fan follow does make them desirable. It's how they got in a BCS football game last year and that meant millions to the Big 10.As far as Iowa in the BCS...winning close games against sub-par Big 10 teams is what got Iowa into the BCS, something many other schools can do. double lol

[lilzaphod]

One thing I haven't seen much discussion on is the non-conf. value we have to Iowa - it does not help them in any way if the conference that we're in dissolves, becomes a joke, etc. They play us in lots of sports, and getting beat by a "joke team" from a "joke conference" hurts their strength of schedule and chances at championships (or major bowls.) Rival or not, our conf. status matters to the Hawks.lol

Plus, Iowa's fanatical fan follow does make them desirable. It's how they got in a BCS football game last year and that meant millions to the Big 10.As far as Iowa in the BCS...winning close games against sub-par Big 10 teams is what got Iowa into the BCS, something many other schools can do. double lol

Agree to the first.

And the second, well.. They must not be a college football fan. That's pretty much a given in today's climate. I believe it has been shown here in the past that Iowa is above average for the number of OOC BCS opponents we play. And like it or not, ISU counts in that number (for a little while longer, at least).

[bigazzturkeylegs]

Unless the Big 12 falls apart I will not be happy with us going to the Big 10, especially if it is a 16 team conference. It would kill our recruiting in Texas, and there are too many other teams to recruit against in the Pennsylvania/Ohio/Illinois area where we would have to go. I would rather see some sort of Big 12/Pac10 alliance.
"No thanks Delaney, we'd rather recruit the leftovers from Texas."

[Malickfan]

I love how some ISU fans want the board of regents to help them get into the big 10.

[ISUFan98]

nice....B10 is arrogant and awful if they blow up the Big 12/Big east but they are awesome if they let ISU in to the party

I don't look at it that way.

ISU would be lucky to join the Big 10.

And if the Big 12 conference implodes and ISU has to go to the Mountain West? That's the way the cookie crumbles.

Just so you know, I think you are retarded by ISU standards. Which makes you kinda normal.

Why did you end up at sheep-fucker U, anyway?

Wanted to be an engineer.

Ended up in finance. Had I started in that major, ISU would have never even entered the conversation.

[TH1974]

I love how some ISU fans want the board of regents to help them get into the big 10.

Those people are always good for a laugh. Some of the shit they come up with is insane.

[TH1974]

I love how some ISU fans want the board of regents to help them get into the big 10.

Those people are always good for a laugh. Some of the shit they come up with is insane.

Case in point:

Illinois, Penn State lobbying for ISU?

A friend of mine with the ISU Foundation told me this evening that both Graham Spanier, president of Penn State (and ISU grad) and Stanley O. Ikenberry, president of Illinois, are pushing for Iowa State to be invited to the Big Ten.
Both Spanier and Ikenberry came to know Greg Geoffroy when they were all at Penn State. Ikenberry is also a very good friend of our provost, Elizabeth Hoffman.

Spanier and Ikenberry are dominant figures among Big Ten presidents. This could be promising news.

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/football/90637-illinois-penn-state-lobbying-isu.html

[Lime]

I love how some ISU fans want the board of regents to help them get into the big 10.

Those people are always good for a laugh. Some of the shit they come up with is insane.

Case in point:

Illinois, Penn State lobbying for ISU?

A friend of mine with the ISU Foundation told me this evening that both Graham Spanier, president of Penn State (and ISU grad) and Stanley O. Ikenberry, president of Illinois, are pushing for Iowa State to be invited to the Big Ten.
Both Spanier and Ikenberry came to know Greg Geoffroy when they were all at Penn State. Ikenberry is also a very good friend of our provost, Elizabeth Hoffman.

Spanier and Ikenberry are dominant figures among Big Ten presidents. This could be promising news.

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/football/90637-illinois-penn-state-lobbying-isu.html

I almost posted that one last night it was so brilliant.

[ivan_drago]

My God. They're serious.

:rollfloor:

[TH1974]

My God. They're serious.

:rollfloor:

They're already starting to spend BTN money to bring back baseball.

[JD720]

There was one post (it might have been a different thread) claiming their club hockey team, if upgraded to a varsity team, would get them into the Big Ten. Supposedly (their story, not mine), the BTN wants a Big Ten Hockey league to televise. Never mind the fact that they already cover hockey games for the Big Ten schools and their programming schedule is already pretty full during the winter sports season.

[ivan_drago]

There was one post (it might have been a different thread) claiming their club hockey team, if upgraded to a varsity team, would get them into the Big Ten. Supposedly (their story, not mine), the BTN wants a Big Ten Hockey league to televise. Never mind the fact that they already cover hockey games for the Big Ten schools and their programming schedule is already pretty full during the winter sports season.

They. Are. Retarded.

[Matt inWDM]

I love how some ISU fans want the board of regents to help them get into the big 10.

Those people are always good for a laugh. Some of the shit they come up with is insane.

Case in point:

Illinois, Penn State lobbying for ISU?

A friend of mine with the ISU Foundation told me this evening that both Graham Spanier, president of Penn State (and ISU grad) and Stanley O. Ikenberry, president of Illinois, are pushing for Iowa State to be invited to the Big Ten.
Both Spanier and Ikenberry came to know Greg Geoffroy when they were all at Penn State. Ikenberry is also a very good friend of our provost, Elizabeth Hoffman.

Spanier and Ikenberry are dominant figures among Big Ten presidents. This could be promising news.

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/football/90637-illinois-penn-state-lobbying-isu.html

:rotf:

[JD720]

I love how some ISU fans want the board of regents to help them get into the big 10.

Those people are always good for a laugh. Some of the shit they come up with is insane.

Case in point:

Illinois, Penn State lobbying for ISU?

A friend of mine with the ISU Foundation told me this evening that both Graham Spanier, president of Penn State (and ISU grad) and Stanley O. Ikenberry, president of Illinois, are pushing for Iowa State to be invited to the Big Ten.
Both Spanier and Ikenberry came to know Greg Geoffroy when they were all at Penn State. Ikenberry is also a very good friend of our provost, Elizabeth Hoffman.

Spanier and Ikenberry are dominant figures among Big Ten presidents. This could be promising news.

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/football/90637-illinois-penn-state-lobbying-isu.html

So much for the ISU ties at Illinois. It's a shame, they were so close to an invite.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/education/ct-met-u-of-i-president-20100511,0,231143.story

[Lime]

Those people are always good for a laugh. Some of the shit they come up with is insane.

Case in point:

Illinois, Penn State lobbying for ISU?

A friend of mine with the ISU Foundation told me this evening that both Graham Spanier, president of Penn State (and ISU grad) and Stanley O. Ikenberry, president of Illinois, are pushing for Iowa State to be invited to the Big Ten.
Both Spanier and Ikenberry came to know Greg Geoffroy when they were all at Penn State. Ikenberry is also a very good friend of our provost, Elizabeth Hoffman.

Spanier and Ikenberry are dominant figures among Big Ten presidents. This could be promising news.

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/football/90637-illinois-penn-state-lobbying-isu.html

So much for the ISU ties at Illinois. It's a shame, they were so close to an invite.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/education/ct-met-u-of-i-president-20100511,0,231143.story

Wow, so the far and away best choice for U of I president (twice!) lands at a more prestigious and rival school?

Swing and a miss, board of regents...

[Malickfan]

"I know the ISU following is big in KC."

The hits just keep on coming.

[TH1974]

Retarded Big XII fans/bloggers are sure this supposed Big XII/Pac 10 alliance is going to be yuuuge.

http://www.iamthe12thman.com/2010/5/10/1465429/big-12-pac-10-alliance-could-be

The second big benefit of an alliance between the Big 12 and the Pac-10 would be the financial windfall we'd experience from increased television revenue. With access to the large media markets in Texas (Dallas/Fort Worth, Houston, San Antonio/Central Texas), California (Los Angeles, San Francisco), Washington (Seattle/Tacoma), Arizona (Phoenix/Preston), Oregon (Portland), Colorado (Denver), and Missouri (St. Louis), we're talking about having the largest media footprint for any athletic conference in the nation. Television networks would be falling all over themselves to be scheduling inter-conference matchups between these two conferences, especially in the marquee sports of football and basketball.

The real money from the television revenue could be made if the conference agree to start their own network in a joint venture. If the Big 12 and the Pac-10 joined forces to create their own joint television network, they would dwarf what the Big Ten Network has accomplished already. The Big Ten Network currently pays its 11 member schools $20 million in revenue each year. I could see the Big 12/Pac-10 joint network easily surpassing that, to the tune of $30 million per school in revenue, and that is probably a guesstimate on the low side. The monstrous deal the SEC signed with ESPN in 2008 was to net the conference roughly $205 million per year for all sports media rights, or about $17 million per school. An alliance between the Big 12 and Pac-10 would dwarf both the payouts both the SEC conference schools and the Big Ten conference schools receive. Such a large payout for media rights each year would mean a big boost in financial resources for all Big 12 and Pac-10 schools, ensuring they stay ahead of the pack in their ability to expand their athletic departments with more teams and new facilities. A joint Pac-10/Big 12 television network would mean every single Big 12 and Pac-10 football game could be guaranteed to be shown every Saturday, because the games not picked up by the national and local networks could be shown on the joint conference network. What is even more exciting for football fans of both conferences is that we could replay every game during the following week, so games can be viewed and analyzed several times. As an early skeptic of the Big Ten Network when it was created, the continuous access to almost non-stop college football coverage is what made me embrace their network when it came on air. A joint network between the two conferences would also mean more exposure for the non-revenue sports, so parents in other states would be able to watch their children play in events they are unable to travel to. The increased television coverage in all sports would benefit athletic recruiting for all schools, as all the Pac-10 schools would be able to get access to Texas in recruiting, and California would be opened up even more to the Big 12 schools for recruiting. With Texas and California being two of the most populous states the nation and the two of the top three producers of football talent in the nation, this is a dream scenario for the football coaches at all 22 programs.

An alliance between the Big 12 Conference and the Pac-10 Conference would be incredibly beneficial to both conferences, both athletically and financially. Looking at the benefits of such an alliance, it is not a question of should we do this, but more how soon can we get this done.

SB Nation blogs are the best.

[MikeyJoe]

An alliance between the Big 12 and Pac-10 would dwarf both the payouts both the SEC conference schools and the Big Ten conference schools receive.
Um...why? Because there's more schools?

[TH1974]

Clone fans are going to have to re-think that upcoming offer from the BT that Illinois and Penn State are pushing for if the Big XII can get this money machine set up.

[newsbreaker]

An alliance between the Big 12 and Pac-10 would dwarf both the payouts both the SEC conference schools and the Big Ten conference schools receive.Um...why? Because there's more schools?


They really haven't thought this through.

First, you're splitting the same advertising dollars at least 22 ways, maybe 24 if the Pac-10 expands. They're already at a deficit.

Then, you have to count "footprint" homes. It's easy to forget just how massive the Big Ten is. Unless tumbleweed get directv, I don't know that the number of Big XII homes + Pac 10 homes > Big Ten homes. There were times last year where the ABC 2:30 map for the Big Ten was already more than 45% of the country.

[MikeyJoe]

An alliance between the Big 12 and Pac-10 would dwarf both the payouts both the SEC conference schools and the Big Ten conference schools receive.Um...why? Because there's more schools?


They really haven't thought this through.

First, you're splitting the same advertising dollars at least 22 ways, maybe 24 if the Pac-10 expands. They're already at a deficit.
Right. If you do the math, they're saying that the Big 10 and SEC pull down around $200 million per year. For the Big Pac 22 to pull the kind of money they're talking about, you'd need to generate $600 million annually.

[TH1974]

Um...why? Because there's more schools?


They really haven't thought this through.

First, you're splitting the same advertising dollars at least 22 ways, maybe 24 if the Pac-10 expands. They're already at a deficit.
Right. If you do the math, they're saying that the Big 10 and SEC pull down around $200 million per year. For the Big Pac 22 to pull the kind of money they're talking about, you'd need to generate $600 million annually.

And that's a "guesstimate on the low side".

[Edgecrusher7711]

Retarded Big XII fans/bloggers are sure this supposed Big XII/Pac 10 alliance is going to be yuuuge.

http://www.iamthe12thman.com/2010/5/10/1465429/big-12-pac-10-alliance-could-be

The second big benefit of an alliance between the Big 12 and the Pac-10 would be the financial windfall we'd experience from increased television revenue. With access to the large media markets in Texas (Dallas/Fort Worth, Houston, San Antonio/Central Texas), California (Los Angeles, San Francisco), Washington (Seattle/Tacoma), Arizona (Phoenix/Preston), Oregon (Portland), Colorado (Denver), and Missouri (St. Louis), we're talking about having the largest media footprint for any athletic conference in the nation. Television networks would be falling all over themselves to be scheduling inter-conference matchups between these two conferences, especially in the marquee sports of football and basketball.

The real money from the television revenue could be made if the conference agree to start their own network in a joint venture. If the Big 12 and the Pac-10 joined forces to create their own joint television network, they would dwarf what the Big Ten Network has accomplished already. The Big Ten Network currently pays its 11 member schools $20 million in revenue each year. I could see the Big 12/Pac-10 joint network easily surpassing that, to the tune of $30 million per school in revenue, and that is probably a guesstimate on the low side. The monstrous deal the SEC signed with ESPN in 2008 was to net the conference roughly $205 million per year for all sports media rights, or about $17 million per school. An alliance between the Big 12 and Pac-10 would dwarf both the payouts both the SEC conference schools and the Big Ten conference schools receive. Such a large payout for media rights each year would mean a big boost in financial resources for all Big 12 and Pac-10 schools, ensuring they stay ahead of the pack in their ability to expand their athletic departments with more teams and new facilities. A joint Pac-10/Big 12 television network would mean every single Big 12 and Pac-10 football game could be guaranteed to be shown every Saturday, because the games not picked up by the national and local networks could be shown on the joint conference network. What is even more exciting for football fans of both conferences is that we could replay every game during the following week, so games can be viewed and analyzed several times. As an early skeptic of the Big Ten Network when it was created, the continuous access to almost non-stop college football coverage is what made me embrace their network when it came on air. A joint network between the two conferences would also mean more exposure for the non-revenue sports, so parents in other states would be able to watch their children play in events they are unable to travel to. The increased television coverage in all sports would benefit athletic recruiting for all schools, as all the Pac-10 schools would be able to get access to Texas in recruiting, and California would be opened up even more to the Big 12 schools for recruiting. With Texas and California being two of the most populous states the nation and the two of the top three producers of football talent in the nation, this is a dream scenario for the football coaches at all 22 programs.

An alliance between the Big 12 Conference and the Pac-10 Conference would be incredibly beneficial to both conferences, both athletically and financially. Looking at the benefits of such an alliance, it is not a question of should we do this, but more how soon can we get this done.

SB Nation blogs are the best.

That is an amazingly ignorant blog post.

[newsbreaker]

The author's name is "Beergut." I'm not sayin', but I'm just sayin'.

[TH1974]

Retarded Big XII fans/bloggers are sure this supposed Big XII/Pac 10 alliance is going to be yuuuge.

http://www.iamthe12thman.com/2010/5/10/1465429/big-12-pac-10-alliance-could-be

The second big benefit of an alliance between the Big 12 and the Pac-10 would be the financial windfall we'd experience from increased television revenue. With access to the large media markets in Texas (Dallas/Fort Worth, Houston, San Antonio/Central Texas), California (Los Angeles, San Francisco), Washington (Seattle/Tacoma), Arizona (Phoenix/Preston), Oregon (Portland), Colorado (Denver), and Missouri (St. Louis), we're talking about having the largest media footprint for any athletic conference in the nation. Television networks would be falling all over themselves to be scheduling inter-conference matchups between these two conferences, especially in the marquee sports of football and basketball.

The real money from the television revenue could be made if the conference agree to start their own network in a joint venture. If the Big 12 and the Pac-10 joined forces to create their own joint television network, they would dwarf what the Big Ten Network has accomplished already. The Big Ten Network currently pays its 11 member schools $20 million in revenue each year. I could see the Big 12/Pac-10 joint network easily surpassing that, to the tune of $30 million per school in revenue, and that is probably a guesstimate on the low side. The monstrous deal the SEC signed with ESPN in 2008 was to net the conference roughly $205 million per year for all sports media rights, or about $17 million per school. An alliance between the Big 12 and Pac-10 would dwarf both the payouts both the SEC conference schools and the Big Ten conference schools receive. Such a large payout for media rights each year would mean a big boost in financial resources for all Big 12 and Pac-10 schools, ensuring they stay ahead of the pack in their ability to expand their athletic departments with more teams and new facilities. A joint Pac-10/Big 12 television network would mean every single Big 12 and Pac-10 football game could be guaranteed to be shown every Saturday, because the games not picked up by the national and local networks could be shown on the joint conference network. What is even more exciting for football fans of both conferences is that we could replay every game during the following week, so games can be viewed and analyzed several times. As an early skeptic of the Big Ten Network when it was created, the continuous access to almost non-stop college football coverage is what made me embrace their network when it came on air. A joint network between the two conferences would also mean more exposure for the non-revenue sports, so parents in other states would be able to watch their children play in events they are unable to travel to. The increased television coverage in all sports would benefit athletic recruiting for all schools, as all the Pac-10 schools would be able to get access to Texas in recruiting, and California would be opened up even more to the Big 12 schools for recruiting. With Texas and California being two of the most populous states the nation and the two of the top three producers of football talent in the nation, this is a dream scenario for the football coaches at all 22 programs.

An alliance between the Big 12 Conference and the Pac-10 Conference would be incredibly beneficial to both conferences, both athletically and financially. Looking at the benefits of such an alliance, it is not a question of should we do this, but more how soon can we get this done.

SB Nation blogs are the best.

That is an amazingly ignorant blog post.

Come on. They guy is obviously an unbiased media expert. If he says it's $30Million/year/school (a guesstimate on the low side), I believe him.

[TH1974]

The author's name is "Beergut." I'm not sayin', but I'm just sayin'.

It's nice that female Big XII fans are blogging now.

[gable_guy]

Tigerboard.com has to be the worst format for a message board ever, and that says a great deal.

[TH1974]

More thought on the Big XII/Pac 10 alliance:

Could a combined Big 12/Pac-10 media rights deal create enough value to make this worthwhile? Realistically the Pac-10 is sitting on $100 million in total media right's value per year. The Big 12 currently receives $80 million but would expect to gain a 50 to 100% increase with their cable-rights deal to push them towards the $100 million per year value.

So, can Fox Sports/FSN package together a total media rights deal for all sports for both of these conferences in excess of $200 million per year? Why not? If the SEC or Big Ten ALONE are worth that much, surely the Big/Pac combined is worth more than that.

* * * Caution -- Bleacher Report link * * *

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/357251-david-hill-can-save-the-big-12-and-pac-10

[MikeyJoe]

There's a big problem with their thinking on this - the disconnect between total dollars and dollars per school. Thus far, what that guy is saying is "So we'll take your $100 mil and our $100 mil and we'll have $200 million!!! It's genius!"

Of course then the problem is that you're now splitting it 22 ways instead of 10 (or 12) ways. The only way this deal makes sense for them is if you're thinking about it like the nutjob above - the idea that combining the two leagues together creates an exponential increase. Your $100 plus my $100 equals $400. And with the dilution of 24 schools, I just don't see that happening.

Certainly if they're able to launch a network that would help. The idea that they're going to be able to negotiate a substantially better network deal is slightly wishful thinking, IMO. As I said before in relation to the Big 12 - where is the network to broadcast these games? As Debit has pointed out, the big money contracts come from cable networks. ABC/ESPN already has the SEC and the Big 10. They're not going to bump games they've already paid for to show the Big Pac 22. Are they going to hope for Versus, or a new player like Turner?

[JD720]

Everyone keeps saying this expansion is about TV sets in the Big 10 network. Really??? Then why is Notre Dame supposedly at the top of the Big 10 expansion? Indiana TVs are already there just like Iowa/Iowa St situation. Also, Rutgers? I think that will be a big fight for an already crowded cable market in NY/NJ. Perhaps the Big 10 wants a piece of Notre Dame's national football contracts? But if Notre Dame continues on the losing streak, those will fall away. All programs come and go.



As this thread pointed out comments by an administrator that Penn St was added because of its academics, something I remember being part of the reason for it when it happened, I personally think that is going to be a bigger factor than anyone realizes. The Big 12 needs ISU because of our student athlete graduation rates, a characteristic that Pollard pointed out in his "quotes" from the tailgate tour on the expansion, and I cannot help but think that is attractive to the Big 10. I think JP and Geoffrey know way more than anyone else knows and are keeping their cards close to their vest while Mizzou and Nebby are publicly posturing to put pressure on Beebe, that way they have a win/win either way.



Personally, I don't want ISU to go to the Big 10 and don't want to see the Big 12 change. I like the Big 12, but if Mizzou and Nebby go, I would like to see ISU go.

LOL

[01BizGrad]

I think if we could harness and focus all the brain power used to debate and guess on Big10 expansion... we could probably find the cure for cancer (or figure out how to win powerball).

Sooo, what's Saturday's jackpot anyway?:D

[Talkin' Goat]

ABC/ESPN already has the SEC and the Big 10.
I think this is being overlooked by a lot of people. I keep hearing how we get $X million from the BTN (which is a big number and totally kicks ass btw), but we also get $Y million from ABC/ESPN (which aint too shabby either). I'm too lazy to look up the real numbers, but it sure seems like a lot of people out there are looking at ways to catch up to our BTN number. Guess what dipshits - our TV revenue is even bigger than that. :cool:

[JD720]

Are they going to hope for Versus, or a new player like Turner?

Both could be options. Keep in mind that Versus and NBC are now under the same ownership so NBC could be added to the distribution too. Also, I'm not sure how many of the Pac Ten/Big 12 big markets are Comcast markets (I think a lot are), but if there is already a relationship with Comcast via Versus/NBC, I could see them partnering up with Comcast on the new network similar to how the BTN did with Fox/DirecTv.

[TH1974]

I think if we could harness and focus all the brain power used to debate and guess on Big10 expansion... we could probably find the cure for cancer (or figure out how to win powerball).

Sooo, what's Saturday's jackpot anyway?:D

There's very little brainpower being expended. Collectively, it might be enough to figure out how to open a can of Coke.

[HSP_Hawk]

ABC/ESPN already has the SEC and the Big 10.
I think this is being overlooked by a lot of people. I keep hearing how we get $X million from the BTN (which is a big number and totally kicks ass btw), but we also get $Y million from ABC/ESPN (which aint too shabby either). I'm too lazy to look up the real numbers, but it sure seems like a lot of people out there are looking at ways to catch up to our BTN number. Guess what dipshits - our TV revenue is even bigger than that. :cool:

I thought I had seen that the Big 10 is getting $1B for 10 years from ABC/ESPN.

[Talkin' Goat]

Based on this coverage map from last year, it looks like currently it's split up:

Big Ten - 25%
SEC - 25% (taking out the NE...just a guess)
Pac 10 - 20%
Big 12 - 17%
Other (Northeast) - 13%

Adding MO, NEB, and the NE to the Big Ten would really skew things. Combining Big 12 and Pac 10 looks to be maybe 1.5 times the size of the current B10 or SEC.

Food for thought...

http://www.hdsportsguide.com/files/ABC1031.jpg

[newsbreaker]

Land =/= people. Hell, note that Des Moines, the biggest city with the biggest Iowa presence, is missing from that map.

[01BizGrad]

Somebody with some photoshop skills should overlay this population density map. Grabbin NE and MU would just about wrap up the western edge. No need to go any further.

http://www.mapofusa.net/us-population-map.gif

[lilzaphod]

Are they going to hope for Versus, or a new player like Turner?

Both could be options. Keep in mind that Versus and NBC are now under the same ownership so NBC could be added to the distribution too. Also, I'm not sure how many of the Pac Ten/Big 12 big markets are Comcast markets (I think a lot are), but if there is already a relationship with Comcast via Versus/NBC, I could see them partnering up with Comcast on the new network similar to how the BTN did with Fox/DirecTv.

Please push ND to Versus.
Please push ND to Versus.
Please push ND to Versus.

[funnelcake]

Are they going to hope for Versus, or a new player like Turner?

Both could be options. Keep in mind that Versus and NBC are now under the same ownership so NBC could be added to the distribution too. Also, I'm not sure how many of the Pac Ten/Big 12 big markets are Comcast markets (I think a lot are), but if there is already a relationship with Comcast via Versus/NBC, I could see them partnering up with Comcast on the new network similar to how the BTN did with Fox/DirecTv.

Please push ND to Versus.
Please push ND to Versus.
Please push ND to Versus.

I like hockey and all but it would be funny to have ND about as relevant as the NHL

[bigazzturkeylegs]

Dan Beebe (Big 12 Commish) on 810 radio now

Today’s comments from Mr. Beebe on Between the Lines seem a little more aggressive and protective:

“I’ve talked directly with Jim (referring to Big X commissioner Delaney),” Mr. Beebe said. “I understand what he’s doing, where’s he’s coming from. Maybe I would do it similarly if I were in his situation, maybe I wouldn’t. But I’m going to protect our interests. We need to move forward and have a direction people need to buy into and move forward.”

Part of having schools buy-in means finding out exactly where these institutions stand on moving in or out.

“We need to come to terms with that. We’re going to head into our meetings in Kansas City and I think we need to have a very frank conversation about where we’re going and who’s going to be on the plane when we take off.” Mr. Beebe said. “I will be very direct and talk about that with our membership and want to find out. It would be a shame, given that all boats have risen with this tide that’s been created in the Big 12, for anybody to think they’re going to have a better future somewhere else.”

LMAO at the last sentence.

[Talkin' Goat]

Land =/= people. Hell, note that Des Moines, the biggest city with the biggest Iowa presence, is missing from that map.

Just for the record...those percentages reflect people, not land. So it's a fair estimate of the conference "foothold" imo. Though it's probably worth noting that the ACC and Big East will take away some from the SEC %.