ISU recruit credits Hoiberg's NBA background as a factor

[Pseudonym]

:D

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20100510/SPORTS020604/100510015/ISU-men-s-basketball-Texas-guard-becomes-Hoiberg-s-first-2011-commitment

“I just met him, and he’s already a special dude in my life,” Odunsi said of Hoiberg between classes Monday. “He played in the (NBA). I have aspirations of going to the same place.”

“That was big-time atmosphere,” Odunsi said. “I could hear it loud and clear from the video we watched. That’s something I want to be part of — a big-time school in a big-time program and a coach who knows what it takes to play in the NBA.”

[MikeyJoe]

Hopefully that was the deciding factor in landing him over Vanderbilt.

[TH1974]

LOL

[Pseudonym]

Hopefully that was the deciding factor in landing him over Vanderbilt.


You can say what you want, but Otzelberger has recruited some serious talent to ISU the past five years--talent that was overlooked by the traditional powers. Keeping them on campus has been a different story....

[Talkin' Goat]

Unacceptable. Fire Bowen.

[Debit One]

That’s something I want to be part of — a big-time school in a big-time program ”

Fail on the part of Mr. Odunsi.

[Edgecrusher7711]

Unacceptable. Fire Bowen.

F that. Promote him to head coach. NBA experience only matters if it's the head coach.

[PipeDaddy]

“I just met him, and he’s already a special dude in my life,”

This makes me a little uncomfortable.

[Karl Marks]

Fred probably showed that kid a picture of Kevin Garnett. Basketball powerhouses Rice and Houston simply did not stand a chance after that.

[hawkchick79]

“I just met him, and he’s already a special dude in my life,”This makes me a little uncomfortable.

Don't try to tell me you didn't feel that way after you met MH.

[PipeDaddy]

“I just met him, and he’s already a special dude in my life,”This makes me a little uncomfortable.

Don't try to tell me you didn't feel that way after you met MH.

:D

[Pseudonym]

So anyways, what, it took a week for you guys to be proven complete jackasses? I know somebody who played D1 basketball in the pac 10 and whose brother is in the NBA(or was until a few months ago) tell me that having a head coach with legitimate NBA connections is probably one of the biggest positive traits one can possess when on the recruiting trail.

emoticon away dbags!

[TH1974]

LOL

[DoeyHawk]

So anyways, what, it took a week for you guys to be proven complete jackasses? I know somebody who played D1 basketball in the pac 10 and whose brother is in the NBA(or was until a few months ago) tell me that having a head coach with legitimate NBA connections is probably one of the biggest positive traits one can possess when on the recruiting trail.

emoticon away dbags!

Getting a verbal from a teir 3 player= proven to be complete jackasses?

[Hawk_Kegmasters]

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/crying.gif

[Pseudonym]

So anyways, what, it took a week for you guys to be proven complete jackasses? I know somebody who played D1 basketball in the pac 10 and whose brother is in the NBA(or was until a few months ago) tell me that having a head coach with legitimate NBA connections is probably one of the biggest positive traits one can possess when on the recruiting trail.

emoticon away dbags!

Getting a verbal from a teir 3 player= proven to be complete jackasses?

Yes.

[TH1974]

So anyways, what, it took a week for you guys to be proven complete jackasses? I know somebody who played D1 basketball in the pac 10 and whose brother is in the NBA(or was until a few months ago) tell me that having a head coach with legitimate NBA connections is probably one of the biggest positive traits one can possess when on the recruiting trail.

emoticon away dbags!

Getting a verbal from a teir 3 player= proven to be complete jackasses?

But he's a tier 3 player who really wants to play in the NBA.

[MikeyJoe]

So anyways, what, it took a week for you guys to be proven complete jackasses? I know somebody who played D1 basketball in the pac 10 and whose brother is in the NBA(or was until a few months ago) tell me that having a head coach with legitimate NBA connections is probably one of the biggest positive traits one can possess when on the recruiting trail.

emoticon away dbags!
Don't you think that maybe you should wait until Hoiberg's NBA experience lands him someone with another high major offer before you start crowing?

The point wasn't that his NBA experience wouldn't mean anything ever - it was that it wasn't going to be some recruiting trump card. And I don't think landing a kid who clearly picked his best scholarship offer proves that it is.

[ISUFan98]

So anyways, what, it took a week for you guys to be proven complete jackasses? I know somebody who played D1 basketball in the pac 10 and whose brother is in the NBA(or was until a few months ago) tell me that having a head coach with legitimate NBA connections is probably one of the biggest positive traits one can possess when on the recruiting trail.

emoticon away dbags!

Getting a verbal from a teir 3 player= proven to be complete jackasses?

But he's a tier 3 player who really wants to play in the NBA.

We're just lucky he didn't go straight from HS to the pros. Most HS players are doing that these days.

[TH1974]

Getting a verbal from a teir 3 player= proven to be complete jackasses?

But he's a tier 3 player who really wants to play in the NBA.

We're just lucky he didn't go straight from HS to the pros. Most HS players are doing that these days.

The thing is, there are sooooo many of them in the NBA (at least a couple on each team) that there probably wasn't room for another.

[Lime]

So anyways, what, it took a week for you guys to be proven complete jackasses? I know somebody who played D1 basketball in the pac 10 and whose brother is in the NBA(or was until a few months ago) tell me that having a head coach with legitimate NBA connections is probably one of the biggest positive traits one can possess when on the recruiting trail.

emoticon away dbags!

The best part about this is Pseudonym can't really be proven wrong since you're not going to have recruits publicly announcing why they didn't go to Iowa State. As long as as the recruits that commit to ISU point to his NBA experience, he'll come over and celebrate how right he is (while oddly claiming that this is proof that all Iowa fans are obsessed with ISU).

[Pseudonym]

So anyways, what, it took a week for you guys to be proven complete jackasses? I know somebody who played D1 basketball in the pac 10 and whose brother is in the NBA(or was until a few months ago) tell me that having a head coach with legitimate NBA connections is probably one of the biggest positive traits one can possess when on the recruiting trail.

emoticon away dbags!

The best part about this is Pseudonym can't really be proven wrong since you're not going to have recruits publicly announcing why they didn't go to Iowa State. As long as as the recruits that commit to ISU point to his NBA experience, he'll come over and celebrate how right he is (while oddly claiming that this is proof that all Iowa fans are obsessed with ISU).

Considering the two most popular threads in the past 30 days are both about ISU, I certainly don't have to try very hard.

[TH1974]

So anyways, what, it took a week for you guys to be proven complete jackasses? I know somebody who played D1 basketball in the pac 10 and whose brother is in the NBA(or was until a few months ago) tell me that having a head coach with legitimate NBA connections is probably one of the biggest positive traits one can possess when on the recruiting trail.

emoticon away dbags!

The best part about this is Pseudonym can't really be proven wrong since you're not going to have recruits publicly announcing why they didn't go to Iowa State. As long as as the recruits that commit to ISU point to his NBA experience, he'll come over and celebrate how right he is (while oddly claiming that this is proof that all Iowa fans are obsessed with ISU).

this, plus the fact that there really aren't any other reasons they can point to.

[LutherBlue89]

The point wasn't that his NBA experience wouldn't mean anything ever - it was that it wasn't going to be some recruiting trump card. And I don't think landing a kid who clearly picked his best scholarship offer proves that it is.Didn't he have a Vandy offer? They've won over 90 games in the last 4 years. I would love to trade programs with Vandy right now.

[Pseudonym]

The point wasn't that his NBA experience wouldn't mean anything ever - it was that it wasn't going to be some recruiting trump card. And I don't think landing a kid who clearly picked his best scholarship offer proves that it is.Didn't he have a Vandy offer? They've won over 90 games in the last 4 years. I would love to trade programs with Vandy right now.

MikeyJoe is not impressed. And if there is one thing MikeyJoe's 16 hours of smarmy message board posts a day tell you, its that MikeyJoe knows his shit.

[Edgecrusher7711]

So anyways, what, it took a week for you guys to be proven complete jackasses? I know somebody who played D1 basketball in the pac 10 and whose brother is in the NBA(or was until a few months ago) tell me that having a head coach with legitimate NBA connections is probably one of the biggest positive traits one can possess when on the recruiting trail.

emoticon away dbags!

The best part about this is Pseudonym can't really be proven wrong since you're not going to have recruits publicly announcing why they didn't go to Iowa State. As long as as the recruits that commit to ISU point to his NBA experience, he'll come over and celebrate how right he is (while oddly claiming that this is proof that all Iowa fans are obsessed with ISU).

Considering the two most popular threads in the past 30 days are both about ISU, I certainly don't have to try very hard.

If ISU would quit doing retarded shit we'd quit having popular posts on them.

[newsbreaker]

So anyways, what, it took a week for you guys to be proven complete jackasses? I know somebody who played D1 basketball in the pac 10 and whose brother is in the NBA(or was until a few months ago) tell me that having a head coach with legitimate NBA connections is probably one of the biggest positive traits one can possess when on the recruiting trail.

emoticon away dbags!

The best part about this is Pseudonym can't really be proven wrong since you're not going to have recruits publicly announcing why they didn't go to Iowa State. As long as as the recruits that commit to ISU point to his NBA experience, he'll come over and celebrate how right he is (while oddly claiming that this is proof that all Iowa fans are obsessed with ISU).

Considering the two most popular threads in the past 30 days are both about ISU, I certainly don't have to try very hard.

The Game had very popular posts when he was showing his sloped ass over here all the time as well.

[Pseudonym]

The best part about this is Pseudonym can't really be proven wrong since you're not going to have recruits publicly announcing why they didn't go to Iowa State. As long as as the recruits that commit to ISU point to his NBA experience, he'll come over and celebrate how right he is (while oddly claiming that this is proof that all Iowa fans are obsessed with ISU).

Considering the two most popular threads in the past 30 days are both about ISU, I certainly don't have to try very hard.

The Game had very popular posts when he was showing his sloped ass over here all the time as well.

I miss the game. And GDR.

[TH1974]

Considering the two most popular threads in the past 30 days are both about ISU, I certainly don't have to try very hard.

The Game had very popular posts when he was showing his sloped ass over here all the time as well.

I miss the game. And GDR.

Not surprising.

[ivan_drago]

Considering the two most popular threads in the past 30 days are both about ISU, I certainly don't have to try very hard.

The Game had very popular posts when he was showing his sloped ass over here all the time as well.

I miss the game. And GDR.

You're on par with them. Figures.

[nolookpass]

ISU has recruited unknowns like wesley johnson who wil end up being a lottery pick.

Iowa got an unknown named Jon Lickliter.

[meohmycy]

ISU has recruited unknowns like wesley johnson who wil end up being a lottery pick.

Iowa got an unknown named Jon Lickliter.

LOL

[hawkeyealum]

i bet ISU asked him to say that.

[Sambud]

Pseudonym, when I read that article this morning I was pretty sure quite a few Hawk fans would belittle what the recruit said about Hoiberg. The fact is, it's something Clone fans can get excited about, despite what some here say.

And Mikey, not sure what you were trying to get at with the recruiting against Vandy crack. After all, they beat Tennessee twice and ended up 24-9.

[Pseudonym]

Pseudonym, when I read that article this morning I was pretty sure quite a few Hawk fans would belittle what the recruit said about Hoiberg. The fact is, it's something Clone fans can get excited about, despite what some here say.

And Mikey, not sure what you were trying to get at with the recruiting against Vandy crack. After all, they beat Tennessee twice and ended up 24-9.

Sambud, you don't understand. MikeyJoe is smart. He emphasizes this by using italics to make his point obvious because the average Joe just doesn't get it the way he does.

[MikeyJoe]

I was unnecessarily flippant about Vandy. In a way, I was complementing ISU because I legitimately believe that's a better offer than Vandy, but Vandy has been good recently. An offer from them is nothing to scoff at.

[Pseudonym]

Ames, Ia. — Fred Hoiberg is selling his professional basketball past on the recruiting trail.

“And why wouldn’t he?” said T.J. Otzelberger, the top assistant to Iowa State’s new men’s basketball coach.

“As a recruiter, I’m out there telling guys they’re going to play for a coach who’s been in the NBA as a player and as an executive. Guys we’re recruiting, they all want to play in the league someday.”

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20100511/SPORTS020604/100511034/ISU-basketball-Fred-Hoiberg-says-pieces-starting-to-fall-into-place

[Talkin' Goat]

“The next hire will be somebody that has experience, who’s been on the bench, who can put a game plan together and can run a practice.”.

[Jimmie Dimmick]

“The next hire will be somebody that has experience, who’s been on the bench, who can put a game plan together and can run a practice.”.

"because nobody here knows how to do any of that bullshit"

[DoeyHawk]

This Hoiberg hire could do wonders for all of the subpar NBA players of the past 20 years. Many of these former NBAers are broke and could use a high paying D1 coaching gig.

Just think of this new pool of potential head coaches:

-Bill Wennington
-Scott Hastings
-Shawn Bradley

[StinkyMcFadden]

Every kid who commits to Iowa State will say that Freddie's NBA experience is the reason, because in reality, there are no legitimate reasons other than that to play for him.

Iowa State University: Our basketball coach has never coached at any level, but he played in the NBA.

[LutherBlue89]

Every kid who commits to Iowa State will say that Freddie's NBA experience is the reason, because in reality, there are no legitimate reasons other than that to play for him.

Iowa State University: Our basketball coach has never coached at any level, but he played in the NBA.Seems as good or better a reason than coming to Iowa to play for a guy who used to coach Siena.

[TH1974]

“The next hire will be somebody that has experience, who’s been on the bench, who can put a game plan together and can run a practice.”.

Fran McCaffrey?

[ISUFan98]

Every kid who commits to Iowa State will say that Freddie's NBA experience is the reason, because in reality, there are no legitimate reasons other than that to play for him.

Good point.

[StinkyMcFadden]

Seems as good or better a reason than coming to Iowa to play for a guy who used to coach Siena.

I'd prefer to be coached by someone who has coached before and has proven to be good at it.

If I wanted to play a competetitive game of horse, I'd probably pick Freddie.

[ISUFan98]

Every kid who commits to Iowa State will say that Freddie's NBA experience is the reason, because in reality, there are no legitimate reasons other than that to play for him.

Iowa State University: Our basketball coach has never coached at any level, but he played in the NBA.Seems as good or better a reason than coming to Iowa to play for a guy who used to coach Siena.

Head coaching experience at Siena > no coaching experience at any level.

[TH1974]

I'd prefer to be coached by someone who has coached before and has proven to be good at it.

Yeah, but wouldn't you rather be coached by someone that Johnny Orr and Gary Thompson really *wants* to win?

[LutherBlue89]

Seems as good or better a reason than coming to Iowa to play for a guy who used to coach Siena.

I'd prefer to be coached by someone who has coached before and has proven to be good at it.Like Todd Lickliter.

[Pseudonym]

Seems as good or better a reason than coming to Iowa to play for a guy who used to coach Siena.

I'd prefer to be coached by someone who has coached before and has proven to be good at it.Like Todd Lickliter.

No, like Greg Mcdermott

[StinkyMcFadden]

Like Todd Lickliter.[/QUOTE]

The players who signed under Lick knew the style they were going to get.

The players who will play for Freddie know he's nice.

[ISUFan98]

I'd prefer to be coached by someone who has coached before and has proven to be good at it.Like Todd Lickliter.

No, like Greg Mcdermott

I just love this argument.

Because two coaches who had coaching experience failed, that means ISU should have hired someone with no experience?

Great logic.

[Talkin' Goat]

Hawks hire Dillard. Up to three coaches on staff with more head coaching experience than Hoiberg.

I like this pick-up.

http://gazetteonline.com/blogs/docs-office/2010/05/12/iowa-completes-basketball-coaching-staff-with-final-hire

Since 2004, Dillard has worked as a basketball marketing representative for Nike. He served as Global Camp Director, responsible for administrative and operational facets of a series of highly acclaimed camps and academies sponsored by Nike. Those camps included the Nike All-America Camp and select skills academies hosted by NBA stars such as Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash, Vince Carter, Amaré Stoudemire and LeBron James (until January, 2009).

[Pseudonym]

Like Todd Lickliter.

No, like Greg Mcdermott

I just love this argument.

Because two coaches who had coaching experience failed, that means ISU should have hired someone with no experience?

Great logic.
:rotf:

Yes, we were both making that exact argument. Thank you for the straw man. Your sal like complex grows with each hour.

[ISUFan98]

No, like Greg Mcdermott

I just love this argument.

Because two coaches who had coaching experience failed, that means ISU should have hired someone with no experience?

Great logic.
:rotf:

Yes, we were both making that exact argument. Thank you for the straw man. Your sal like complex grows with each hour.

Actually, that pretty much was what you've been implying since he was hired.

Your comparisons of me to Sal are also curious and odd.

[Pseudonym]

I just love this argument.

Because two coaches who had coaching experience failed, that means ISU should have hired someone with no experience?

Great logic.
:rotf:

Yes, we were both making that exact argument. Thank you for the straw man. Your sal like complex grows with each hour.

Actually, that pretty much was what you've been implying since he was hired.

Your comparisons of me to Sal are also curious and odd.


lol at "pretty much"

also, you can Sal are both self loathers. You hate who you are so you lash out against your own kind.

[ISUFan98]

:rotf:

Yes, we were both making that exact argument. Thank you for the straw man. Your sal like complex grows with each hour.

Actually, that pretty much was what you've been implying since he was hired.

Your comparisons of me to Sal are also curious and odd.


lol at "pretty much"

also, you can Sal are both self loathers. You hate who you are so you lash out against your own kind.

You really need to spend more time on CF. You'd be welcomed over there with open arms.

[LutherBlue89]

I just love this argument.

Because two coaches who had coaching experience failed, that means ISU should have hired someone with no experience?

Great logic.
:rotf:

Yes, we were both making that exact argument. Thank you for the straw man. Your sal like complex grows with each hour.

Actually, that pretty much was what you've been implying since he was hired.You have inferred. I have not implied.

[Jimmie Dimmick]

Hawks hire Dillard. Up to three coaches on staff with more head coaching experience than Hoiberg.

I like this pick-up.

http://gazetteonline.com/blogs/docs-office/2010/05/12/iowa-completes-basketball-coaching-staff-with-final-hire

Since 2004, Dillard has worked as a basketball marketing representative for Nike. He served as Global Camp Director, responsible for administrative and operational facets of a series of highly acclaimed camps and academies sponsored by Nike. Those camps included the Nike All-America Camp and select skills academies hosted by NBA stars such as Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash, Vince Carter, Amaré Stoudemire and LeBron James (until January, 2009).

nice

[ISUFan98]

:rotf:

Yes, we were both making that exact argument. Thank you for the straw man. Your sal like complex grows with each hour.

Actually, that pretty much was what you've been implying since he was hired.You have inferred. I have not implied.

Then why bring up Lickliter and McDermott as examples of "experience?" Why not bring up Tom Davis, Eustachy or Floyd?

[TH1974]

"pretty much" = "exactly".

[LutherBlue89]

Actually, that pretty much was what you've been implying since he was hired.You have inferred. I have not implied.

Then why bring up Lickliter and McDermott as examples of "experience?" Why not bring up Tom Davis, Eustachy or Floyd?Stinky made the blanket statement that he'd prefer to play for a coach with experience than one without. I mention Lickliter as someone who's experience and success didn't do him much good in attracting players (although after just 3 years, UI is paying him $2.5 M to stay home from work, so I guess it did him a lot of good in that respect). What I'm implying is that previous coaching experience is only one factor in recruiting and coaching success. And of course it's not just the fact of a coach's experience, it's the quality/nature of that experience.

Fred's lack of experience is a reason to have serious doubts about him, but he has a lot of other favorable qualities and ISU's program is in such bad shape that it's not a ridiculous hire. ISU was not getting Izzo. Nor was it getting Lorenzo Romar or any other BCS coach who's had some success. I'm guessing ISU also would have been hard-pressed to get some of the second tier mopes that Iowa couldn't get like Brian Gregory or Jim Boylen (Jim Boylen?!?!). Are guys like Randy Rahe and Greg Gard significantly more attractive candidates than Fred? I just don't see it.

[ISUFan98]

You have inferred. I have not implied.

Then why bring up Lickliter and McDermott as examples of "experience?" Why not bring up Tom Davis, Eustachy or Floyd?Stinky made the blanket statement that he'd prefer to play for a coach with experience than one without. I mention Lickliter as someone who's experience and success didn't do him much good in attracting players (although after just 3 years, UI is paying him $2.5 M to stay home from work, so I guess it did him a lot of good in that respect). What I'm implying is that previous coaching experience is only one factor in recruiting and coaching success. And of course it's not just the fact of a coach's experience, it's the quality/nature of that experience.

Fred's lack of experience is a reason to have serious doubts about him, but he has a lot of other favorable qualities and ISU's program is in such bad shape that it's not a ridiculous hire. ISU was not getting Izzo. Nor was it getting Lorenzo Romar or any other BCS coach who's had some success. I'm guessing ISU also would have been hard-pressed to get some of the second tier mopes that Iowa couldn't get like Brian Gregory or Jim Boylen (Jim Boylen?!?!). Are guys like Randy Rahe and Greg Gard significantly more attractive candidates than Fred? I just don't see it.

Of course, had Pollard actually tried to even get the "second tier mopes" you referred to, only to end up with Hoiberg, you might have had a point.

Unfortunately, Pollard picked up the phone and simply gave the job less than 24 hours after it came open to a guy who would have not even been on the radar screen anywhere else.

[StinkyMcFadden]

Unfortunately, Pollard picked up the phone and simply gave the job less than 24 hours after it came open to a guy who would have not even been on the radar screen anywhere else.

This is what I would find troubling if I were an ISU fan. Freddie was his first and only choice.

[StinkyMcFadden]

Since 2004, Dillard has worked as a basketball marketing representative for Nike. [/QUOTE]

And nearly every basketball player in America aspires to wear Nikes. Who better to have on your side than someone who has actually worked for Nike and who has Phil Knight on speed dial.

[Verbal]

Since 2004, Dillard has worked as a basketball marketing representative for Nike.

And nearly every basketball player in America aspires to wear Nikes. Who better to have on your side than someone who has actually worked for Nike and who has Phil Knight on speed dial.[/QUOTE]

Wait til the Hawkeye recruits see pictures of Dillard sporting a sweet pair of Nikes.

[LutherBlue89]

Then why bring up Lickliter and McDermott as examples of "experience?" Why not bring up Tom Davis, Eustachy or Floyd?Stinky made the blanket statement that he'd prefer to play for a coach with experience than one without. I mention Lickliter as someone who's experience and success didn't do him much good in attracting players (although after just 3 years, UI is paying him $2.5 M to stay home from work, so I guess it did him a lot of good in that respect). What I'm implying is that previous coaching experience is only one factor in recruiting and coaching success. And of course it's not just the fact of a coach's experience, it's the quality/nature of that experience.

Fred's lack of experience is a reason to have serious doubts about him, but he has a lot of other favorable qualities and ISU's program is in such bad shape that it's not a ridiculous hire. ISU was not getting Izzo. Nor was it getting Lorenzo Romar or any other BCS coach who's had some success. I'm guessing ISU also would have been hard-pressed to get some of the second tier mopes that Iowa couldn't get like Brian Gregory or Jim Boylen (Jim Boylen?!?!). Are guys like Randy Rahe and Greg Gard significantly more attractive candidates than Fred? I just don't see it.

Of course, had Pollard actually tried to even get the "second tier mopes" you referred to, you might have had a point.

Unfortunately, Pollard picked up the phone and simply gave the job less than 24 hours after it came open to a guy who would have not even been on the radar screen anywhere else.Fred should not have been on the radar anywhere else, but that doesn't necessarily disqualify him from the ISU job. That program has been toxic since they ran off Larry. Fred is uniquely qualified to cleanse it. In its best days, ISU's primary selling point was the fans and the Hilton. Fred can at least temporarily revitalize that component of the program. Brian Gregory (of Fran McCaffrey, for that matter) could not.

And I suspect that Pollard had a good handle on who he could and couldn't get long before McDermott resigned. So back to my question -- do you really think Greg Gard, Randy Rahe, or somebody along those lines is hands-down more likely to succeed than Fred?

[fuisu98]

You have inferred. I have not implied.

Then why bring up Lickliter and McDermott as examples of "experience?" Why not bring up Tom Davis, Eustachy or Floyd?Stinky made the blanket statement that he'd prefer to play for a coach with experience than one without. I mention Lickliter as someone who's experience and success didn't do him much good in attracting players (although after just 3 years, UI is paying him $2.5 M to stay home from work, so I guess it did him a lot of good in that respect). What I'm implying is that previous coaching experience is only one factor in recruiting and coaching success. And of course it's not just the fact of a coach's experience, it's the quality/nature of that experience.

Fred's lack of experience is a reason to have serious doubts about him, but he has a lot of other favorable qualities and ISU's program is in such bad shape that it's not a ridiculous hire. ISU was not getting Izzo. Nor was it getting Lorenzo Romar or any other BCS coach who's had some success. I'm guessing ISU also would have been hard-pressed to get some of the second tier mopes that Iowa couldn't get like Brian Gregory or Jim Boylen (Jim Boylen?!?!). Are guys like Randy Rahe and Greg Gard significantly more attractive candidates than Fred? I just don't see it.

The thing you seem to not get is that it wasn't Lick's experience that helped or hurt him on the recruiting trail. The thing that absolutely killed Lick's recruiting was the fact that HE DIDN'T FUCKING RECRUIT. He sat back and went with flow and tried to get kids based on his personality, which he was also lacking. It's well documented that Lick didn't talk to AAU coaches. That KILLED his shot at a lot of recruits.

I hope Fred does well but to say that he was a better choice over someone with actual experience is just ignorant of the facts.

[LutherBlue89]

Unfortunately, Pollard picked up the phone and simply gave the job less than 24 hours after it came open to a guy who would have not even been on the radar screen anywhere else.

This is what I would find troubling if I were an ISU fan. Freddie was his first and only choice.It does trouble me to some extent. I was really curious about Gillispie. But Houston passed on Gillispie for someone named James Dickey. How did Gillispie not get that job?

[LutherBlue89]

The thing you seem to not get is that it wasn't Lick's experience that helped or hurt him on the recruiting trail. The thing that absolutely killed Lick's recruiting was the fact that HE DIDN'T FUCKING RECRUIT. He sat back and went with flow and tried to get kids based on his personality, which he was also lacking. It's well documented that Lick didn't talk to AAU coaches. That KILLED his shot at a lot of recruits.Looks like you and I agree -- Lickliter's experience and previous success didn't do him much good in attracting players.

[Jimmie Dimmick]

The thing you seem to not get is that it wasn't Lick's experience that helped or hurt him on the recruiting trail. The thing that absolutely killed Lick's recruiting was the fact that HE DIDN'T FUCKING RECRUIT. He sat back and went with flow and tried to get kids based on his personality, which he was also lacking. It's well documented that Lick didn't talk to AAU coaches. That KILLED his shot at a lot of recruits.Looks like you and I agree -- Lickliter's experience and previous success didn't do him much good in attracting players.

good job hiring a coach with no experience and previous success, who's yet to hire an assistant with any at all either.

well done

[ISUFan98]

The thing you seem to not get is that it wasn't Lick's experience that helped or hurt him on the recruiting trail. The thing that absolutely killed Lick's recruiting was the fact that HE DIDN'T FUCKING RECRUIT. He sat back and went with flow and tried to get kids based on his personality, which he was also lacking. It's well documented that Lick didn't talk to AAU coaches. That KILLED his shot at a lot of recruits.Looks like you and I agree -- Lickliter's experience and previous success didn't do him much good in attracting players.

good job hiring a coach with no experience and previous success, who's yet to hire an assistant with any at all either.

well done

I'm not worried.

I'm sure Fred already did a Google search for "basketball plays" his first few days while he was there.

[LutherBlue89]

The thing you seem to not get is that it wasn't Lick's experience that helped or hurt him on the recruiting trail. The thing that absolutely killed Lick's recruiting was the fact that HE DIDN'T FUCKING RECRUIT. He sat back and went with flow and tried to get kids based on his personality, which he was also lacking. It's well documented that Lick didn't talk to AAU coaches. That KILLED his shot at a lot of recruits.Looks like you and I agree -- Lickliter's experience and previous success didn't do him much good in attracting players.

good job hiring a coach with no experience and previous success, who's yet to hire an assistant with any at all either.

well doneI am admitting that ISU's program is so bad that this hire looks somewhat reasonable. Shouldn't that boost the component of your self-esteem that's tied to UI's superiority over ISU?

[Jimmie Dimmick]

Looks like you and I agree -- Lickliter's experience and previous success didn't do him much good in attracting players.

good job hiring a coach with no experience and previous success, who's yet to hire an assistant with any at all either.

well doneI am admitting that ISU's program is so bad that this hire looks somewhat reasonable. Shouldn't that boost the component of your self-esteem that's tied to UI's superiority over ISU?

you had shit this thread long before I came around, don't blame me for it.

[Debit One]

I'm sure Fred already did a Google search for "basketball plays" his first few days while he was there.

My sources tell me that he has been religiously watching Red on Roundball in preparation for this opportunity.

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[fuisu98]

The thing you seem to not get is that it wasn't Lick's experience that helped or hurt him on the recruiting trail. The thing that absolutely killed Lick's recruiting was the fact that HE DIDN'T FUCKING RECRUIT. He sat back and went with flow and tried to get kids based on his personality, which he was also lacking. It's well documented that Lick didn't talk to AAU coaches. That KILLED his shot at a lot of recruits.Looks like you and I agree -- Lickliter's experience and previous success didn't do him much good in attracting players.

Nailed it. That's exactly what I was saying.

[TH1974]

So back to my question -- do you really think Greg Gard, Randy Rahe, or somebody along those lines is hands-down more likely to succeed than Fred?

Yes.

[MikeyJoe]

The thing you seem to not get is that it wasn't Lick's experience that helped or hurt him on the recruiting trail. The thing that absolutely killed Lick's recruiting was the fact that HE DIDN'T FUCKING RECRUIT. He sat back and went with flow and tried to get kids based on his personality, which he was also lacking. It's well documented that Lick didn't talk to AAU coaches. That KILLED his shot at a lot of recruits.Looks like you and I agree -- Lickliter's experience and previous success didn't do him much good in attracting players.
lol. And this differs substantively from ISUFan's characterization of your opinion how?

I will state as emphatically as you want me to that someone with no experience is much less likely to succeed. To which the rejoinder to date appears to be, "Well here's two guys with experience who didn't succeed." Okay? And?

[xr4ticlone]

Unfortunately, Pollard picked up the phone and simply gave the job less than 24 hours after it came open to a guy who would have not even been on the radar screen anywhere else.

This is what I would find troubling if I were an ISU fan. Freddie was his first and only choice.

In this case I'd guess JP had made some calls to other candidates or their reps and found out what interest was out there and at what type of contract would be needed to make it work. I'm sure he also got calls from other coaches or their reps looking to move. He looked at that list and the situation ISU MBB was in and didn't see anything that said "SLAM DUNK".

At that point he went and talked to Fred. Fred obviously sold him...but most importantly IF you are an AD and want to make a hire like this you do NOT want it to look like this was a last attempt / desperation hire after everyone else turned you down.

That is why 'officially' JP went without talking to anyone else and sat down with Fred...went over his plan...and offered the job. He was our 1st choice (officially) and the best choice (officially) to lead the program. End of story.

Personally I think this is a great hire. Fred is a very smart, very likable, very knowledgeable about BB, former NBA player and exec that loves Iowa State. In 20+ years of PLAYING organized BB for some of the best coaches in the game he no doubt learned how to run a practice and a team. In his time as an exec he learned talent evaluation and the politics of managing the public and expectations.

I have no doubt he'll be a success...and mock all you want but every high D1 player wants to be an NBA player. Who do you think can do more to teach you about being a professional BB player than a former one that despite not being a super star played 10 years? Who do you think can help you with figuring out when to leave for the NBA better than a guy that can call and have a personal conversation with every NBA GM and talent scout out there?

I like our hire much better than yours...no offense.

[Lime]

Who do you think can do more to teach you about being a professional BB player than a former one that despite not being a super star played 10 years?

This is a seriously retarded comment.

[bigazzturkeylegs]

Who do you think can do more to teach you about being a professional BB player than a former one that despite not being a super star played 10 years?

This is a seriously retarded comment.
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[PipeDaddy]

Who do you think can do more to teach you about being a professional BB player than a former one that despite not being a super star played 10 years?

This is a seriously retarded comment.

It pains me, but I'm with Lime on this one. By this logic, Dennis Rodman could be at the top of the Coaching Hot List next season. He, after all, played in the NBA *and* boned Madonna. Think of the recruits he'd get.

[TH1974]

Who do you think can do more to teach you about being a professional BB player than a former one that despite not being a super star played 10 years?

This is a seriously retarded comment.

Along with the rest of his post.

[Edgecrusher7711]

Unfortunately, Pollard picked up the phone and simply gave the job less than 24 hours after it came open to a guy who would have not even been on the radar screen anywhere else.

This is what I would find troubling if I were an ISU fan. Freddie was his first and only choice.

I like our hire much better than yours...no offense.

It's one thing to like your hire but it's another entirely to make this comment. Iowa hired an experienced coach who has then hired experienced assistants and an former NBA role player to be their video coordinator. Outside of bias there's nothing backing your statement. Of course it's right in line with the rest of your mind-numbing post.

[Lime]

This is what I would find troubling if I were an ISU fan. Freddie was his first and only choice.

I like our hire much better than yours...no offense.

It's one thing to like your hire but it's another entirely to make this comment. Iowa hired an experienced coach who has then hired experienced assistants and an former NBA role player to be their video coordinator. Outside of bias there's nothing backing your statement.

But everyone WANTS him to succeed! They're afraid to let him fail!

[LutherBlue89]

The thing you seem to not get is that it wasn't Lick's experience that helped or hurt him on the recruiting trail. The thing that absolutely killed Lick's recruiting was the fact that HE DIDN'T FUCKING RECRUIT. He sat back and went with flow and tried to get kids based on his personality, which he was also lacking. It's well documented that Lick didn't talk to AAU coaches. That KILLED his shot at a lot of recruits.Looks like you and I agree -- Lickliter's experience and previous success didn't do him much good in attracting players.
lol. And this differs substantively from ISUFan's characterization of your opinion how?

I will state as emphatically as you want me to that someone with no experience is much less likely to succeed. To which the rejoinder to date appears to be, "Well here's two guys with experience who didn't succeed." Okay? And?Good lord. I'm saying there's a lot more to coaching success than experience. FUISU says, "Todd Lickliter didn't fail because of his experience. He failed because he's a drip and didn't want to get his hands dirty recruiting." That is exactly my point -- there are important qualities besides experience. Todd Lickliter (and Greg McDermott and countless others) failed in spite of his experience.

Yes, if you have two otherwise identical candidates, I would also favor the more experienced coach. Sadly, I'm not very confident that ISU had any realistic possibilities that were clearly better than Fred. Last time, if not for McDermott, ISU would have had (the experienced) Rob Jeter. Is he even still alive? And the ISU job has not become more attractive in the last 4 years.

[Judge Kemp]

Unfortunately, Pollard picked up the phone and simply gave the job less than 24 hours after it came open to a guy who would have not even been on the radar screen anywhere else.

This is what I would find troubling if I were an ISU fan. Freddie was his first and only choice.

In this case I'd guess JP had made some calls to other candidates or their reps and found out what interest was out there and at what type of contract would be needed to make it work. I'm sure he also got calls from other coaches or their reps looking to move. He looked at that list and the situation ISU MBB was in and didn't see anything that said "SLAM DUNK".

At that point he went and talked to Fred. Fred obviously sold him...but most importantly IF you are an AD and want to make a hire like this you do NOT want it to look like this was a last attempt / desperation hire after everyone else turned you down.

That is why 'officially' JP went without talking to anyone else and sat down with Fred...went over his plan...and offered the job. He was our 1st choice (officially) and the best choice (officially) to lead the program. End of story.

Personally I think this is a great hire. Fred is a very smart, very likable, very knowledgeable about BB, former NBA player and exec that loves Iowa State. In 20+ years of PLAYING organized BB for some of the best coaches in the game he no doubt learned how to run a practice and a team. In his time as an exec he learned talent evaluation and the politics of managing the public and expectations.

I have no doubt he'll be a success...and mock all you want but every high D1 player wants to be an NBA player. Who do you think can do more to teach you about being a professional BB player than a former one that despite not being a super star played 10 years? Who do you think can help you with figuring out when to leave for the NBA better than a guy that can call and have a personal conversation with every NBA GM and talent scout out there?

I like our hire much better than yours...no offense.

I love that you consider his coaches to be some of the best in the game.

[Edgecrusher7711]

This is what I would find troubling if I were an ISU fan. Freddie was his first and only choice.

In this case I'd guess JP had made some calls to other candidates or their reps and found out what interest was out there and at what type of contract would be needed to make it work. I'm sure he also got calls from other coaches or their reps looking to move. He looked at that list and the situation ISU MBB was in and didn't see anything that said "SLAM DUNK".

At that point he went and talked to Fred. Fred obviously sold him...but most importantly IF you are an AD and want to make a hire like this you do NOT want it to look like this was a last attempt / desperation hire after everyone else turned you down.

That is why 'officially' JP went without talking to anyone else and sat down with Fred...went over his plan...and offered the job. He was our 1st choice (officially) and the best choice (officially) to lead the program. End of story.

Personally I think this is a great hire. Fred is a very smart, very likable, very knowledgeable about BB, former NBA player and exec that loves Iowa State. In 20+ years of PLAYING organized BB for some of the best coaches in the game he no doubt learned how to run a practice and a team. In his time as an exec he learned talent evaluation and the politics of managing the public and expectations.

I have no doubt he'll be a success...and mock all you want but every high D1 player wants to be an NBA player. Who do you think can do more to teach you about being a professional BB player than a former one that despite not being a super star played 10 years? Who do you think can help you with figuring out when to leave for the NBA better than a guy that can call and have a personal conversation with every NBA GM and talent scout out there?

I like our hire much better than yours...no offense.

I love that you consider his coaches to be some of the best in the game.

Well you have to remember ISU fans consider Johnny Orr to be a an all-time "great". You know with his 218-200 record.

[Karl Marks]

I just pwn3d myself for reading this thread.

[TH1974]

Some of the greatest coaches in the history of the game.

[douglasbader]

I think we need to start an thread with official predictions of what the Hoiberg hire will be like in 3 years.

Put me down for this was a good hire considering the timing and circumstances and that Fred will have at least a NIT appearance by his third year and an NCAA by his fourth.

[xr4ticlone]

I love that you consider his coaches to be some of the best in the game.

Well there are 30 NBA teams. So I'd say playing for an NBA coach would mean you played for one of the top 30 coaches in basketball...unless you know of a lot of better basketball coaching gigs than an NBA job?

Larry Brown is no slouch at either NBA OR college level. True?
Larry Bird is no idiot when it comes to basketball...even as a coach.
Now Johnny Orr is no George Raveling mind you...but he did play for a national championship and won a National Coach of the Year award...how many of those do they give out each year? Oh yea, just the one.
Tim Floyd may have some shortcomings, but I don't know anyone who thinks he's not a solid basketball mind.

Look, I understand you're scared that Iowa's program will toilet out even more than it already has...I totally understand. And I understand that Fred is a home run hire for ISU, and came along at the same time you guys hired Fran. But you can't compare Fred to Fran...I mean you can...but it's not going to make you happy. We hired a rock star...you got a roadie. Life isn't fair. : )

[bigazzturkeylegs]

I love that you consider his coaches to be some of the best in the game.

Well there are 30 NBA teams. So I'd say playing for an NBA coach would mean you played for one of the top 30 coaches in basketball...unless you know of a lot of better basketball coaching gigs than an NBA job?

Larry Brown is no slouch at either NBA OR college level. True?
Larry Bird is no idiot when it comes to basketball...even as a coach.
Now Johnny Orr is no George Raveling mind you...but he did play for a national championship and won a National Coach of the Year award...how many of those do they give out each year? Oh yea, just the one.
Tim Floyd may have some shortcomings, but I don't know anyone who thinks he's not a solid basketball mind.

Look, I understand you're scared that Iowa's program will toilet out even more than it already has...I totally understand. And I understand that Fred is a home run hire for ISU, and came along at the same time you guys hired Fran. But you can't compare Fred to Fran...I mean you can...but it's not going to make you happy. We hired a rock star...you got a roadie. Life isn't fair. : )

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[Lime]

I love that you consider his coaches to be some of the best in the game.

Well there are 30 NBA teams. So I'd say playing for an NBA coach would mean you played for one of the top 30 coaches in basketball...unless you know of a lot of better basketball coaching gigs than an NBA job?

Larry Brown is no slouch at either NBA OR college level. True?
Larry Bird is no idiot when it comes to basketball...even as a coach.
Now Johnny Orr is no George Raveling mind you...but he did play for a national championship and won a National Coach of the Year award...how many of those do they give out each year? Oh yea, just the one.
Tim Floyd may have some shortcomings, but I don't know anyone who thinks he's not a solid basketball mind.

Look, I understand you're scared that Iowa's program will toilet out even more than it already has...I totally understand. And I understand that Fred is a home run hire for ISU, and came along at the same time you guys hired Fran. But you can't compare Fred to Fran...I mean you can...but it's not going to make you happy. We hired a rock star...you got a roadie. Life isn't fair. : )

You should stick back to making veiled threats toward the president and demanding that we round up Muslim Americans and set them adrift at see. Understanding sports is far beyond your already limited capacities.

[fuisu98]

I love that you consider his coaches to be some of the best in the game.

Well there are 30 NBA teams. So I'd say playing for an NBA coach would mean you played for one of the top 30 coaches in basketball...unless you know of a lot of better basketball coaching gigs than an NBA job?

Larry Brown is no slouch at either NBA OR college level. True?
Larry Bird is no idiot when it comes to basketball...even as a coach.
Now Johnny Orr is no George Raveling mind you...but he did play for a national championship and won a National Coach of the Year award...how many of those do they give out each year? Oh yea, just the one.
Tim Floyd may have some shortcomings, but I don't know anyone who thinks he's not a solid basketball mind.

Look, I understand you're scared that Iowa's program will toilet out even more than it already has...I totally understand. And I understand that Fred is a home run hire for ISU, and came along at the same time you guys hired Fran. But you can't compare Fred to Fran...I mean you can...but it's not going to make you happy. We hired a rock star...you got a roadie. Life isn't fair. : )

This is the greatest troll I have seen in a long time.

[Judge Kemp]

I love that you consider his coaches to be some of the best in the game.

Well there are 30 NBA teams. So I'd say playing for an NBA coach would mean you played for one of the top 30 coaches in basketball...unless you know of a lot of better basketball coaching gigs than an NBA job?

Larry Brown is no slouch at either NBA OR college level. True?
Larry Bird is no idiot when it comes to basketball...even as a coach.
Now Johnny Orr is no George Raveling mind you...but he did play for a national championship and won a National Coach of the Year award...how many of those do they give out each year? Oh yea, just the one.
Tim Floyd may have some shortcomings, but I don't know anyone who thinks he's not a solid basketball mind.

Look, I understand you're scared that Iowa's program will toilet out even more than it already has...I totally understand. And I understand that Fred is a home run hire for ISU, and came along at the same time you guys hired Fran. But you can't compare Fred to Fran...I mean you can...but it's not going to make you happy. We hired a rock star...you got a roadie. Life isn't fair. : )

This is the greatest troll I have seen in a long time.

Yeah, but I'm too lazy and just too generally disinterested in the topic to bite.

[Debit One]

Well there are 30 NBA teams. So I'd say playing for an NBA coach would mean you played for one of the top 30 coaches in basketball...unless you know of a lot of better basketball coaching gigs than an NBA job?

I think that most coaches would take a top 30 NCAA coaching job over an NBA job, because of the stability, chance to choose your own players, and not being in an environment where the players tend to have more power than the coaches.

There are reasons why Bill Self, Mike Krsyrfhkjshfsh, Roy Williams, Tom Izzo, Jim Boeheim, etc. are not clamoring to go to the NBA.

[Verbal]

I'd say playing for an NBA coach would mean you played for one of the top 30 coaches in basketball

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http://blog.mlive.com/pistons_impact/2008/06/medium_080610_michael_curry_new_pistons_coach.JPG

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All brilliant basketball minds, IMO.

[FrodoTBaggin]

LOL!

[Pseudonym]

Hoiberg mining Big 10 schools for their talent. (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20100519/SPORTS020504/100519027/Cyclone-basketball-Penn-State-transfer-Chris-Babb-signs-with-ISU)

LOL, you jerkoffs make this too easy.

“At Iowa State, I get a chance to play for a coach who knows about the NBA. I can’t wait to start working with him.”

[Verbal]

Hoiberg mining Big 10 schools for their talent. (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20100519/SPORTS020504/100519027/Cyclone-basketball-Penn-State-transfer-Chris-Babb-signs-with-ISU)

LOL, you jerkoffs make this too easy.

“At Iowa State, I get a chance to play for a coach who knows about the NBA. I can’t wait to start working with him.”

Chris Babb said that?! Pseudonym was right!!! AAAAAARRGH!

[ivan_drago]

Hoiberg mining Big 10 schools for their talent. (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20100519/SPORTS020504/100519027/Cyclone-basketball-Penn-State-transfer-Chris-Babb-signs-with-ISU)

LOL, you jerkoffs make this too easy.

“At Iowa State, I get a chance to play for a coach who knows about the NBA. I can’t wait to start working with him.”

Chris Babb said that?! Pseudonym was right!!! AAAAAARRGH!

That's it. We're fucked.

:rotf:

[Lime]

Hoiberg mining Big 10 schools for their talent. (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20100519/SPORTS020504/100519027/Cyclone-basketball-Penn-State-transfer-Chris-Babb-signs-with-ISU)

LOL, you jerkoffs make this too easy.

“At Iowa State, I get a chance to play for a coach who knows about the NBA. I can’t wait to start working with him.”

I am amazed that you still think you're making a good point here.

[ivan_drago]

Hoiberg mining Big 10 schools for their talent. (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20100519/SPORTS020504/100519027/Cyclone-basketball-Penn-State-transfer-Chris-Babb-signs-with-ISU)

LOL, you jerkoffs make this too easy.

“At Iowa State, I get a chance to play for a coach who knows about the NBA. I can’t wait to start working with him.”

I am amazed that you still think you're making a good point here.

Lime. Chris Babb. Chris FREAKING Babb.

[Edgecrusher7711]

LOL, you jerkoffs make this too easy.

Yes you are.

[roseboundhawk]

Even Iowa and Indiana beat Penn State last year.

[MikeyJoe]

Hoiberg mining Big 10 schools for their talent. (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20100519/SPORTS020504/100519027/Cyclone-basketball-Penn-State-transfer-Chris-Babb-signs-with-ISU)

LOL, you jerkoffs make this too easy.

“At Iowa State, I get a chance to play for a coach who knows about the NBA. I can’t wait to start working with him.”

I am amazed that you still think you're making a good point here.
Don't you get it? We were all really saying that no recruits would ever mention the NBA when talking about Hoiberg, ever. Ever!!!

[Lime]

Hoiberg mining Big 10 schools for their talent. (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20100519/SPORTS020504/100519027/Cyclone-basketball-Penn-State-transfer-Chris-Babb-signs-with-ISU)

LOL, you jerkoffs make this too easy.



I am amazed that you still think you're making a good point here.
Don't you get it? We were all really saying that no recruits would ever mention the NBA when talking about Hoiberg, ever. Ever!!!

I've thought about this further, and Pseudonym has to be full-on retard to honestly think that he's making some sort of clever point here. I refuse to believe that he attended college if he doesn't understand basic concepts like sampling and self-selection.

[Talkin' Goat]

Hoiberg mining Big 10 schools for their talent. (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20100519/SPORTS020504/100519027/Cyclone-basketball-Penn-State-transfer-Chris-Babb-signs-with-ISU)

LOL, you jerkoffs make this too easy.

“At Iowa State, I get a chance to play for a coach who knows about the NBA. I can’t wait to start working with him.”
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[Hawk_Kegmasters]

Is this the same Chris Babb who basically lost the game for PSU against the Hawks by his pitiful shooting performance this season?

[TH1974]

Is this the same Chris Babb who basically lost the game for PSU against the Hawks by his pitiful shooting performance this season?

He was too busy thinking about the NBA.

[ivan_drago]

Is this the same Chris Babb who basically lost the game for PSU against the Hawks by his pitiful shooting performance this season?

He was too busy thinking about the NBA.

No shit. You try making a jumper while speed-dialing an NBA GM.

[Pseudonym]

Hoiberg mining Big 10 schools for their talent. (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20100519/SPORTS020504/100519027/Cyclone-basketball-Penn-State-transfer-Chris-Babb-signs-with-ISU)

LOL, you jerkoffs make this too easy.



I am amazed that you still think you're making a good point here.
Don't you get it? We were all really saying that no recruits would ever mention the NBA when talking about Hoiberg, ever. Ever!!!

Funny how you pussies are totally changing your tone now. That is precisely what most of you were saying.

[Pseudonym]

Mikey perhaps you can explain the context of this comment you made to nolook:

There have been thousands of NBA players during Hoiberg's stint in the NBA. If you think a journeyman NBA player who averaged 5 points per game is going to excite 17 year olds, you have zero idea how kids think.

[ivan_drago]

I am amazed that you still think you're making a good point here.
Don't you get it? We were all really saying that no recruits would ever mention the NBA when talking about Hoiberg, ever. Ever!!!

Funny how you pussies are totally changing your tone now. That is precisely what most of you were saying.

No.

[ivan_drago]

Mikey perhaps you can explain the context of this comment you made:

There have been thousands of NBA players during Hoiberg's stint in the NBA. If you think a journeyman NBA player who averaged 5 points per game is going to excite 17 year olds, you have zero idea how kids think.

He's still right. It didn't excite a good recruit, nor a 17 yearold. It excited a piece of shit transfer from Penn State.

[Pseudonym]

Mikey perhaps you can explain the context of this comment you made:

There have been thousands of NBA players during Hoiberg's stint in the NBA. If you think a journeyman NBA player who averaged 5 points per game is going to excite 17 year olds, you have zero idea how kids think.

He's still right. It didn't excite a good recruit, nor a 17 yearold. It excited a piece of shit transfer from Penn State.

I give up. You guys are full on retards

Sorry, full on retards*

*MikeyJoe approved

[newsbreaker]

Mikey perhaps you can explain the context of this comment you made to nolook:

There have been thousands of NBA players during Hoiberg's stint in the NBA. If you think a journeyman NBA player who averaged 5 points per game is going to excite 17 year olds, you have zero idea how kids think.

Note that he said "you have zero idea how kids think" and not "how zero kids think."

[ivan_drago]

Mikey perhaps you can explain the context of this comment you made:



He's still right. It didn't excite a good recruit, nor a 17 yearold. It excited a piece of shit transfer from Penn State.

I give up. You guys are full on retards

Sorry, full on retards*

*MikeyJoe approved

No, we give up. ISU has Chris Babb. Game over.

[Talkin' Goat]

At this point, what other reason could a kid possibly give for committing to ISU? Seriously. A variation of this kid's quote is exactly what you're going to see for awhile. You know why? BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY POSSIBLE THING THAT CAN BE SAID ABOUT FH RIGHT NOW.

[MikeyJoe]

Mikey perhaps you can explain the context of this comment you made to nolook:

There have been thousands of NBA players during Hoiberg's stint in the NBA. If you think a journeyman NBA player who averaged 5 points per game is going to excite 17 year olds, you have zero idea how kids think.
Well, if you're looking for context, a good start would be reading the post I was quoting when you copied and pasted that.

Nolook was saying that Hoiberg was going to walk into the home of "some kid from Chicago" (implying a blue chip prospect) and show him a picture of himself and Kevin Garnett. I was saying that he's not going to sign top recruits because he played with Kevin Garnett.

Nobody was saying he wasn't going to sign any prospects ever. And as has already been said - when he does sign a prospect, what is at least one factor that kid is going to cite? Likely his NBA career, because that is his primary (if not only) selling point right now. For your retarded "gotcha" to actually mean anything, you have to tell yourself that we meant that no kids were ever going to mention Hoiberg and the NBA, and not what we were actually trying to say, which is that an NBA playing career is not a recruiting trump card for top prospects. And in typical message board fashion, yeah, I probably phrased it too strongly. But I think the context of what I was saying is more than clear.

When a kid picks ISU over KState or Texas and says it's because Hoiberg's NBA career impressed him, I'll gladly eat crow. Until then, you're trying waaaay too hard. Honestly, I'd like to believe you're trolling, because it's a little sad to think that someone is actually this dense.

[Edgecrusher7711]

Mikey perhaps you can explain the context of this comment you made to nolook:

There have been thousands of NBA players during Hoiberg's stint in the NBA. If you think a journeyman NBA player who averaged 5 points per game is going to excite 17 year olds, you have zero idea how kids think.
Well, if you're looking for context, a good start would be reading the post I was quoting when you copied and pasted that.

Nolook was saying that Hoiberg was going to walk into the home of "some kid from Chicago" (implying a blue chip prospect) and show him a picture of himself and Kevin Garnett. I was saying that he's not going to sign top recruits because he played with Kevin Garnett.

Nobody was saying he wasn't going to sign any prospects ever. And as has already been said - when he does sign a prospect, what is at least one factor that kid is going to cite? Likely his NBA career, because that is his primary (if not only) selling point right now. For your retarded "gotcha" to actually mean anything, you have to tell yourself that we meant that no kids were ever going to mention Hoiberg and the NBA, and not what we were actually trying to say, which is that an NBA playing career is not a recruiting trump card for top prospects. And in typical message board fashion, yeah, I probably phrased it too strongly. But I think the context of what I was saying is more than clear.

When a kid picks ISU over KState or Texas and says it's because Hoiberg's NBA career impressed him, I'll gladly eat crow. Until then, you're trying waaaay too hard. Honestly, I'd like to believe you're trolling, because it's a little sad to think that someone is actually this dense.

No shit. Of course he's going to sign recruits. And of course they're going to mention his NBA connections. What the F else are they going to say. But these kids aren't any better than the kids Mac was brining in. When ISU lands a top 50 player and that player says he came to ISU because of Hoiberg's NBA connections then you can come on here and gloat. Otherwise it's just stupid. Like Grade A stupid.

[Karl Marks]

Who is Chris Babb?

[Hawk_Kegmasters]

Who is Chris Babb?

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[CamelTones]

So basically Hoiberg picked up a recruit that Todd Lickliter and Ed DeChellis were fighting each other for? Before someone says 'he's proven he can play at this level, he averaged 9.3 points a game' remember he was on the worst team in the Big Ten and teams played a box and one against PSU with the box on Taylor Battle and the one on the other 4 players.

[Pseudonym]

Mikey perhaps you can explain the context of this comment you made to nolook:

There have been thousands of NBA players during Hoiberg's stint in the NBA. If you think a journeyman NBA player who averaged 5 points per game is going to excite 17 year olds, you have zero idea how kids think.
Well, if you're looking for context, a good start would be reading the post I was quoting when you copied and pasted that.

Nolook was saying that Hoiberg was going to walk into the home of "some kid from Chicago" (implying a blue chip prospect) and show him a picture of himself and Kevin Garnett. I was saying that he's not going to sign top recruits because he played with Kevin Garnett.

Nobody was saying he wasn't going to sign any prospects ever. And as has already been said - when he does sign a prospect, what is at least one factor that kid is going to cite? Likely his NBA career, because that is his primary (if not only) selling point right now. For your retarded "gotcha" to actually mean anything, you have to tell yourself that we meant that no kids were ever going to mention Hoiberg and the NBA, and not what we were actually trying to say, which is that an NBA playing career is not a recruiting trump card for top prospects. And in typical message board fashion, yeah, I probably phrased it too strongly. But I think the context of what I was saying is more than clear.

When a kid picks ISU over KState or Texas and says it's because Hoiberg's NBA career impressed him, I'll gladly eat crow. Until then, you're trying waaaay too hard. Honestly, I'd like to believe you're trolling, because it's a little sad to think that someone is actually this dense.

Chicago means blue chip exclusively now? LOL

[Pseudonym]

Hoiberg brought up in Bulls coaching drama (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5195185)

[Sambud]

It would not surprise me in the least if Hoiberg is successful. And yes, his NBA contacts should be a big plus in recruiting.

[ivan_drago]

Hoiberg brought up in Bulls coaching drama (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5195185)

What's next? A link to the story "Hoiberg brought up over beers at Legends in Ames?"

Good God.

[Pseudonym]

http://www.cyclones.com//ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10700&ATCLID=204949185

I think they're pushing Hoiberg's NBA connections, "NBA" is only mentioned about 74 times in this video. Especially the second half

[TH1974]

LOL.

"Fred Hoiberg's name is being thrown around in NBA head coaching discussions."

[ivan_drago]

LOL.

"Fred Hoiberg's name is being thrown around in NBA head coaching discussions."

This kind of discussion?

Kevin McHale: "Did you see ISU hired Freddy?"
Phil Jackson: "Who?"
KM: "Freddy! Fred Hoiberg!"
Phil: "Never heard of him."
KM: "Oh come on! Real funny, Phil. He's THE MAYOR!"
Phil: "I don't recall."
KM: "Is this a joke? He's got every one of us on speed dial!"
Phil "Rings no bells."

[Pseudonym]

LOL.

"Fred Hoiberg's name is being thrown around in NBA head coaching discussions."

This kind of discussion?

Kevin McHale: "Did you see ISU hired Freddy?"
Phil Jackson: "Who?"
KM: "Freddy! Fred Hoiberg!"
Phil: "Never heard of him."
KM: "Oh come on! Real funny, Phil. He's THE MAYOR!"
Phil: "I don't recall."
KM: "Is this a joke? He's got every one of us on speed dial!"
Phil "Rings no bells."

Did you actually watch the video I linked? Fred actually says he knows every GM in the NBA and "has them all on speed dial". I had to roll my eyes at that.

[ivan_drago]

LOL.

"Fred Hoiberg's name is being thrown around in NBA head coaching discussions."

This kind of discussion?

Kevin McHale: "Did you see ISU hired Freddy?"
Phil Jackson: "Who?"
KM: "Freddy! Fred Hoiberg!"
Phil: "Never heard of him."
KM: "Oh come on! Real funny, Phil. He's THE MAYOR!"
Phil: "I don't recall."
KM: "Is this a joke? He's got every one of us on speed dial!"
Phil "Rings no bells."

Did you actually watch the video I linked? Fred actually says he knows every GM in the NBA and "has them all on speed dial". I had to roll my eyes at that.

I actually didn't. I don't have sound on my computer!

[TH1974]

I actually didn't. I don't have sound on my computer!

you don't nee. Sound to know that Fred Hoiberg is synonymous with NBA.