Ferentz Live Wednesday at 12:30 p.m. (CT)

[douglasbader]

Think about it, Danny Hope got 7 wins including a Bowl game and another potential 7 wins with a Bowl game the last 2 years. He did this while being paid 1/4th what Ferentz is being paid and operating out of a school with no fan support or facilities.

He gets fired while Ferentz has zero pressure to make even a single change after winning 7 games and 4 games.

[FrodoTBaggin]

I'm close to putting wade on ignore. It's just difficult reading his posts.

[douglasbader]

Did I also mention that 2 of Danny Hope's losses were to the #1 and #2 ranked and undefeated teams by 3 points and in overtime? Or that all of his other losses were to Michigan, Wisconsin, Penn State and Minnesota who are are all or would be bowl teams?

[douglasbader]

Should I have also mentioned that Joe Tiller left after a 4-8 season and Hope improved the record after being left with nothing?

Danny Hope got a raw fucking deal, boyz, at least compared to Ferentz.

[Gushawk]

Confidence Ratings:

Northern Illinois 40%
Missouri State 95%
@Iowa State 20%
Western Michigan 75%
@Minnesota 40%
Michigan State 35%
@Ohio State 1%
Northwestern 40%
Wisconsin 20%
@Purdue 40%
Michigan 5%
@Nebraska 5%

Pull a surprise and split the 40% games gets us to 4-8. Win another we shouldn't and really over perform puts us at 5-7. 2-10 is more likely than 8-4.

[Verbal]

I am not picking Ferentz to beat a directional Michigan school until he proves he can do it.

[Kerky]

Originally Posted by BuffettHawk

I'm unwilling to attribute the rebound of 2001 and the success of 2002 to Ferentz's desire to "stay the course." Most of that success had to do with increased talent on the field. Speaking of talent, that's a whole other thread that should be discussed.

It also had something to do with a strength and conditioning program that was somewhat unique, I believe, to the college ranks at the time. That advantage has long since passed.

[kmurp]

Originally Posted by L. Wade Childress

he came to iowa because he wants to be a doctor. i would wager that hes not even the starter next year.

I never understood this. He is getting an undergrad degree at Iowa. He will likely go somewhere else for med school.

[bigazzturkeylegs]

Originally Posted by kmurp

I never understood this. He is getting an undergrad degree at Iowa. He will likely go somewhere else for med school.

Miami has a good med school. He should've stayed home if that's what he cared about.

[Hawkeye_Pierce]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

Confidence Ratings:

Northern Illinois 40%
Missouri State 95%
@Iowa State 20%
Western Michigan 75%
@Minnesota 40%
Michigan State 35%
@Ohio State 1%
Northwestern 40%
Wisconsin 20%
@Purdue 40%
Michigan 5%
@Nebraska 5%

Pull a surprise and split the 40% games gets us to 4-8. Win another we shouldn't and really over perform puts us at 5-7. 2-10 is more likely than 8-4.

I would be elated with 2-10 as that would likely force Barta's hand no matter how insane the buyout. If that makes me a shitty fan, I'll own it. I felt the same way about Lickliter when it became obvious that he wasn't going to cut it.

Too bad because Ferentz could have left a Fry-like legacy had he hit HRs with Norm and KOK's replacements. Now his fate rests in the fat, greasy, hands of Greg Davis.

[hawkeyealum]

hes still a dumbfuck

[atemp]

Saw on twitter where Marc Morehouse said Ferentz when talking about Davis that "this is last stand stuff". If true, you'd think Ferentz would pick someone else to go down with. With all of the coaches and ties to Iowa Football out there you'd think he would surround himself with more Iowa people other than Brian and Levar Woods.

Also, there is a good podcast with Mike Hlas with some guy from the Omaha paper who covers college football. The Omaha guy says that he hears from Iowa people that Ferentz is the best they can get because it's Iowa, he is dumbfounded by the comment. Said Iowa is a good job and referenced the people at the stadium in 20 degree weather supporting a 4-7 team.

[hawkeyealum]

Recruiting can be difficult but Iowa is a good job. There are some shitty, shitty BCS jobs but Iowa isnt one of them.

[Gushawk]

What Davis has done to justify that level of faith is beyond me. He often struggled to get shitty plays in on a timely basis, suggesting he lacks both mental acuity and urgency. Not exactly the bunker mate I'd want, but perhaps Kirk's to the point he just really doesn't give a fuck. To a point it's understandable, largely thanks to Barta.

If it's a last stand it's not one where you die at the end, but rather one where you get millions of dollars to not fight anymore

[douglasbader]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

What Davis has done to justify that level of faith is beyond me. He often struggled to get shitty plays in on a timely basis, suggesting he lacks both mental acuity and urgency. Not exactly the bunker mate I'd want, but perhaps Kirk's to the point he just really doesn't give a fuck. To a point it's understandable, largely thanks to Barta.

People (including myself) have said that Ferentz is a good guy and would step down if it got too bad and wouldn't make Iowa buy him out. Today proved that Ferentz is going down with the ship.

He kept referencing over and over that Greg Davis was "a good person". Sorry, Kirk, that should be a fucking given and has absolutely no bearing. It is like the Chris Rock skit when he was bagging on guys saying "I'm a good Dad, I take care of my kids" and says that is what you are supposed to do, you want a fucking cookie for that?

Who gives a shit if Greg Davis is a good person? There are plenty of "good people" that could do the job much better at this point in addition to helping out the program.

Same thing with Vandenberg, he kept saying that over and over. Guess what Kirk, I'm sure Jake Rudock is a good person as well, so why not fucking play him since Vandy was a dumpster fire?

He has lost it.

[Shawneemicks]

Kirk will not be Iowa's head coach when Steven graduates.

True or false

[L. Wade Childress]

Ferentz loves his analogies but I thought the content of this press conference was solid.

[douglasbader]

Originally Posted by L. Wade Childress

Ferentz loves his analogies but I thought the content of this press conference was solid.

Your L Wade being L Wade shtick today was horribly transparent.

[atemp]

Originally Posted by Shawneemicks

Kirk will not be Iowa's head coach when Steven graduates.

True or false

True, based on the current trend and level of discontent in people who support Iowa Football. I don't think Kirk has many rabid Iowa supporters in his corner outside of the Athletic Department.

I think he will be fired after next year if there is another 4-8/5-7 record.

[L. Wade Childress]

Originally Posted by douglasbader lasbader

Your L Wade being L Wade shtick today was horribly transparent.

Fuck off. iIt's not my fault half the board went full Hawkeyenation. People are willfully ignoring basic facts just so they can yell. I want davis gone too but that doesn't mean we are fucked.

Plus, he could still very well leave.

[AZmess]

Originally Posted by L. Wade Childress

Fuck off. iIt's not my fault half the board went full Hawkeyenation. People are willfully ignoring basic facts just so they can yell. I want davis gone too but that doesn't mean we are fucked.

Plus, he could still very well leave.

This.

[Hawk4Life94]

LOL @ L Wade and AZ being on the same side.

You two dipshits fight the good UoI fight right till the end.

[DGHawk]

Kirk is not changing now, and will never change. I mocked people this spring with the whole "the new staff and Brian are going to bring much needed change to the program." KF will never change. KF will never change.

My high school basketball coach was Jim Berry, who coached at UNI for a while. He did not believe in man-to-man defense. We could get torched from behind the arc and he would not change. At one point he said to us that he would rather play zone defense and lose than play man-to-man and win. It never made any fucking sense to any of us. This is the exact same attitude that KF has. He believes in his system and he would rather get fired losing with his system than go with some system that he does not know or believe in.

In other words, we're fucked.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by DGHawk

My high school basketball coach was Jim Berry, who coached at UNI for a while. He did not believe in man-to-man defense. We could get torched from behind the arc and he would not change. At one point he said to us that he would rather play zone defense and lose than play man-to-man and win. It never made any fucking sense to any of us.

Jim Berry sounds like a fucking pussy.

[Uff Da]

Originally Posted by Alan Lomax

I hope Iowa wins at least 8 games this year because I think the reaction to fans that are upset that Davis is staying, but aren't sure they can be upset about winning 8 games will be entertaining. When Ferentz says that they weren't that far away this year, I tend to agree. If they had an even remotely average quarterback that could handle the change in offense Iowa would have been 8-4 in a year when going into it pretty much everyone thought they wouldn't be very good.

Did you watch the games? Iowa could have easily been 2-10.

I agree vandy stunk, but, who coached him and left him in as starting qb?

[AZmess]

Originally Posted by Hawk4Life94

LOL @ L Wade and AZ being on the same side.

You two dipshits fight the good UoI fight right till the end.

Sorry man. If it makes you feel better, if you get a bunch of people to meet at the Center Point McDonald's, I'll bring the torches and we can march to Iowa City.

[Soda Popinski]

Originally Posted by Verbal

Jim Berry sounds like a fucking pussy.

I used to play poker with a Jim Berry that was a badass wrestler and a good lawyer.

[Gushawk]

Originally Posted by DGHawk

Kirk is not changing now, and will never change. I mocked people this spring with the whole "the new staff and Brian are going to bring much needed change to the program." KF will never change. KF will never change.

My high school basketball coach was Jim Berry, who coached at UNI for a while. He did not believe in man-to-man defense. We could get torched from behind the arc and he would not change. At one point he said to us that he would rather play zone defense and lose than play man-to-man and win. It never made any fucking sense to any of us. This is the exact same attitude that KF has. He believes in his system and he would rather get fired losing with his system than go with some system that he does not know or believe in.

In other words, we're fucked.

Mine was the exact opposite. Man to man til the end.

[FrodoTBaggin]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

Mine was the exact opposite. Man to man til the end.

Your coach was smarter. This Jim Berry clown is an idiot.

[Gushawk]

Originally Posted by FrodoTBaggin

Your coach was smarter. This Jim Berry clown is an idiot.

Probably, but it was sometimes hard to see those games when you were getting worked by a physically superior player.

[Herky823]

Yesterday's presser reminded me of something someone said a couple years ago. It was in a movie thread (so I think it was Doug) and they said that Michael Bay now has 'Fuck You' money. After early successes with Bad Boys and Armageddon he basically had enough coin to do whatever the fuck he wanted and nobody could tell him differently.

Kirk's like that now. Largest buyout in cfb, stubborn as hell and he'll never step down. And why would he step down? Anyone can pretend they would in that situation, saying that they'd have enough money or whatever. But I can't imagine ever turning down all or a huge chunk of $18 million. I hope I'm wrong, but I think it's going to be a long couple years.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Herky823

Yesterday's presser reminded me of something someone said a couple years ago. It was in a movie thread (so I think it was Doug) and they said that Michael Bay now has 'Fuck You' money. After early successes with Bad Boys and Armageddon he basically had enough coin to do whatever the fuck he wanted and nobody could tell him differently.

Kirk's like that now. Largest buyout in cfb, stubborn as hell and he'll never step down. And why would he step down? Anyone can pretend they would in that situation, saying that they'd have enough money or whatever. But I can't imagine ever turning down all or a huge chunk of $18 million. I hope I'm wrong, but I think it's going to be a long couple years.

It was George Lucas and he just made that exact point again in another thread within the last two days.

[FrodoTBaggin]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

Probably, but it was sometimes hard to see those games when you were getting worked by a physically superior player.

You were going to lose anyways, hoser.

[Herky823]

Originally Posted by Verbal

It was George Lucas and he just made that exact point again in another thread within the last two days.

Ha I don't doubt that but whoever it was definitely made the point about Michael Bay after the 2nd Transformers came out.

[douglasbader]

Originally Posted by Herky823

Ha I don't doubt that but whoever it was definitely made the point about Michael Bay after the 2nd Transformers came out.

It was George Lucas. I doubt that I would have made that point about Michael Bay because he has always been a complete hack.

[FrodoTBaggin]

Originally Posted by douglasbader

It was George Lucas. I doubt that I would have made that point about Michael Bay because he has always been a complete hack.

Like Greg Davis!

[douglasbader]

That is a much better analogy.

Greg Davis = Michael Bay

Both are complete hacks that had all their warts covered up by talent and budget.

[valp0guy]

Does Greg Davis love explosions?

[Herky823]

Originally Posted by douglasbader

It was George Lucas. I doubt that I would have made that point about Michael Bay because he has always been a complete hack.

I must be going crazy. You're right - I searched about 12 different keywords trying to find it but couldn't. Regardless, Kirk's an asshole who doesn't care if Iowa crashes and burns. That's the point I'm trying to get across here.

[douglasbader]

Kirk Ferentz = George Lucas
Greg Davis = Michael Bay
Phil Parker = Simon West
Reese Morgan = Lawerence Kasdan (as a director, not writer)
Darell Wilson = John Singleton
Lester Erb = Renny Harlin
Brian Ferentz = Jason Reitman
Levar Woods = Anthony Hemmingway
Eric Johnson = Roger Christensen

[Gushawk]

Originally Posted by FrodoTBaggin

You were going to lose anyways, hoser.

Right, but the team would have collectively shared in the pain and embarassment of guarding the 6'5"+ guy who was quicker than all of us.

[AZmess]

Originally Posted by douglasbader

Kirk Ferentz = George Lucas
Greg Davis = Michael Bay
Phil Parker = Simon West
Reese Morgan = Lawerence Kasdan (as a director, not writer)
Darell Wilson = John Singleton
Lester Erb = Renny Harlin
Brian Ferentz = Jason Reitman
Levar Woods = Anthony Hemmingway
Eric Johnson = Roger Christensen

:woosh:

/az

[MikeyJoe]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

Right, but the team would have collectively shared in the pain and embarassment of guarding the 6'5"+ guy who was quicker than all of us.

Reminds me of a friend's story about trying to guard Dean Oliver in high school. Looked at Dean, looked to his left to check his help defense, looked back and Dean was making a layup.

[Rolo Tomassi]

Originally Posted by douglasbader

Think about it, Danny Hope got 7 wins including a Bowl game and another potential 7 wins with a Bowl game the last 2 years. He did this while being paid 1/4th what Ferentz is being paid and operating out of a school with no fan support or facilities.

He gets fired while Ferentz has zero pressure to make even a single change after winning 7 games and 4 games.

This is what a long-term expensive contract will do for you.

[Hawk4Life94]

Originally Posted by MikeyJoe

Reminds me of a friend's story about trying to guard Dean Oliver in high school. Looked at Dean, looked to his left to check his help defense, looked back and Dean was making a layup.

We got torched by Deano at a team camp one summer, he was a freshman.

[FrodoTBaggin]

Just so we're all clear here, the people bitching about how much Kirk makes not equaling what we're seeing on the field are pretty much vindicated in their thoughts, correct? I know it's a length of contract issue but you cut his salary down a million bucks a year and a buyout is more plausible.

[MikeyJoe]

Originally Posted by FrodoTBaggin

Just so we're all clear here, the people bitching about how much Kirk makes not equaling what we're seeing on the field are pretty much vindicated in their thoughts, correct? I know it's a length of contract issue but you cut his salary down a million bucks a year and a buyout is more plausible.

I used to be one of the most vocal about not caring about the salary, but yes, with the long extension it became more of an issue. I can admit that. But that's only for people who want him fired.

[Hawk4Life94]

I don't give a fuck what he gets paid.

I just don't like watching my favorite team play shitty football and make coaching mistakes my 7th and 8th grade coaches don't make.

[FrodoTBaggin]

Originally Posted by MikeyJoe

I used to be one of the most vocal about not caring about the salary, but yes, with the long extension it became more of an issue. I can admit that.

nlp can fap to this.

[FrodoTBaggin]

Originally Posted by Hawk4Life94

I don't give a fuck what he gets paid.

I just don't like watching my favorite team play shitty football and make coaching mistakes my 7th and 8th grade coaches don't make.

You can say that but if you break this entire shithole of a situation down then yes, yes you do. And you should, imo. I didn't really care what he was making when we were winning (even though I thought the results on the field didn't dictate what he was paid) but I sure as fuck care now that I see a terrible product and his responses trying to correct the terrible product.