2012/2013 Coaching Vacancies

[bigazzturkeylegs]

Chip Kelly is staying at Oregon.

[Alan Lomax]

Originally Posted by bigazzturkeylegs

Chip Kelly is staying at Oregon.

As he should. It would be incredibly stupid to leave there. And yes we have coaches learning from KF.

[Gushawk]

Originally Posted by Uff Da

Hooray?

Teaching low reward option routes is a skill that requires years of tutelage and honing. If Kirk is all in with Greg Davis, and I think it is, the hiring if this type of retread seems a foregone conclusion. Same if Erb leaves.

[Southsidehawk]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

Teaching low reward option routes is a skill that requires years of tutelage and honing. If Kirk is all in with Greg Davis, and I think it is, the hiring if this type of retread seems a foregone conclusion. Same if Erb leaves.

If they go after this guy, then Raih is probably headed elsewhere.

[Gushawk]

I'd heard Raih is gone regardless.

[hawkeyealum]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

I'd heard Raih is gone regardless.

Probably to run a real offense.

[atemp]

Listened to the Morehouse/Dochterman podcast today.

Not sure if posted in the thread, sorry if I missed it. Said Campbell was fired, and Raih, Wilson, and Erb are all going to the coaches convention in Nashville looking for jobs.

[MikeyJoe]

I don't really have a reaction to any of those.

[Gushawk]

Stinky's mouthbreather escapes unscathed!

I'm glad Wilson and Erb are moving on if they are, but I'm not real confident they will be replaced by significant upgrades either, particularly Erb if Greg Davis is in any way involved in finding his replacement.

That said, I'll bet one of the two doesn't find a job, and is back next year.

[valp0guy]

Originally Posted by atemp

Listened to the Morehouse/Dochterman podcast today.

Not sure if posted in the thread, sorry if I missed it. Said Campbell was fired, and Raih, Wilson, and Erb are all going to the coaches convention in Nashville looking for jobs.

Hollywood Hawkeye will be thrilled

[douglasbader]

If he fired Campbell and retained Davis, then LOL.

[StinkyMcFadden]

Originally Posted by atemp

Listened to the Morehouse/Dochterman podcast today.

Not sure if posted in the thread, sorry if I missed it. Said Campbell was fired, and Raih, Wilson, and Erb are all going to the coaches convention in Nashville looking for jobs.

Campbell: fired

Greg Davis: retained

[StinkyMcFadden]

Originally Posted by douglasbader

If he fired Campbell and retained Davis, then LOL.

I would guess that the rumors of Campbell being vocal about the system being shit are true.

[C-3PO]

I am not remotely excited about next season. I don't think I have ever felt like this towards Iowa football in my life.

Dammit

[StinkyMcFadden]

Originally Posted by C-3PO

I am not remotely excited about next season. I don't think I have ever felt like this towards Iowa football in my life.

Dammit

It's the same thing as last year.

We don't have a single ass kicker at a single position.

We don't have one elite player on the entire team. 85 scholarships and not one ass kicker.

Ebbs and flows.

[Gushawk]

Originally Posted by douglasbader

If he fired Campbell and retained Davis, then LOL.

How are Davis' awesome option routes supposed to work if the guy coaching them can't do it or doesn't believe? Huh? HOW?

[Gushawk]

Originally Posted by StinkyMcFadden

It's the same thing as last year.

We don't have a single ass kicker at a single position.

We don't have one elite player on the entire team. 85 scholarships and not one ass kicker.

Ebbs and flows.

Herbie used the adjective "suddenness" last night. Does Iowa currently have a single player who possesses it? Maybe Law, Kirksey, Hitchens or Cotton, but they are all either small, seemingly incapable of effectively harnessing it, or both.

[Talkin' Goat]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

Stinky's mouthbreather escapes unscathed!

I'm glad Wilson and Erb are moving on if they are, but I'm not real confident they will be replaced by significant upgrades either, particularly Erb if Greg Davis is in any way involved in finding his replacement.

That said, I'll bet one of the two doesn't find a job, and is back next year.

LOL if they are back next year simply because they can't find another job. Goddamn that would piss me off. And it's entirely believable too. Dammit.

[Gushawk]

Originally Posted by Talkin' Goat

LOL if they are back next year simply because they can't find another job. Goddamn that would piss me off. And it's entirely believable too. Dammit.

Probably not just entirely believable, but more likely than not.

[Talkin' Goat]

It's okay if they're good guys.

[StinkyMcFadden]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

Herbie used the adjective "suddenness" last night. Does Iowa currently have a single player who possesses it? Maybe Law, Kirksey, Hitchens or Cotton, but they are all either small, seemingly incapable of effectively harnessing it, or both.

Our best skill position player was a white jew.

[StinkyMcFadden]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

Probably not just entirely believable, but more likely than not.

They have families just like Kirk does.

[Gushawk]

Originally Posted by StinkyMcFadden

Our best skill position player was a white jew.

Was?

[StinkyMcFadden]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

Was?

I'm assuming Powell will be next year.

[Gushawk]

Originally Posted by StinkyMcFadden

I'm assuming Powell will be next year.

I'm not. I'm guessing the Greg Davis system, as implemented and practiced at Iowa, effectively precludes WRs from consideration.

[StinkyMcFadden]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

I'm not. I'm guessing the Greg Davis system, as implemented and practiced at Iowa, effectively precludes WRs from consideration.

You may be right. On his video, he seemed to run way down field prior to making most of his catches. I'm hoping this is something that can be cleaned up.

[douglasbader]

Originally Posted by Talkin' Goat

LOL if they are back next year simply because they can't find another job. Goddamn that would piss me off. And it's entirely believable too. Dammit.

We should all never forget that Darrell Wilson has made roughly $2.5 million and Lester Erb has made about $3.0 million in base salary alone in their time at Iowa. This of course doesn't factor in perks like most meals being covered, vehicles, and other nice things like a possible state pension.

[FrodoTBaggin]

Sigh

[Uff Da]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

Teaching low reward option routes is a skill that requires years of tutelage and honing. If Kirk is all in with Greg Davis, and I think it is, the hiring if this type of retread seems a foregone conclusion. Same if Erb leaves.

It is sad. Ferentz is doubling down on one of the worst offensive scheme/performances in years. Struggling to see how this will end well.

[StinkyMcFadden]

Originally Posted by Uff Da

It is sad. Ferentz is doubling down on one of the worst offensive scheme/performances in years. Struggling to see how this will end well.

Next year will be better (there's no way it couldn't be), but still under-whelming. KF will take this as real progress. GD will come back for year 3 which will be marginally better than year 2 (but still awful) and then retire.

[Verbal]

Next year will most assuredly not be better. A repeat 4-8 campaign looks like the ceiling from where I'm sitting.

[AZmess]

We play 9 teams on the schedule next year that played bowl games this year. Granted we beat a couple of those but 5-6 wins looks about right.

[Gushawk]

If Kirk doesn't make a bowl, does he deserve to retain his job?

[mac50702]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

If Kirk doesn't make a bowl, does he deserve to retain his job?

He didn't deserve it this year, but if he doesn't get to a bowl next year he needs to be gone. There just is no way to justify keeping him, not even the contract.

[douglasbader]

Let's get positive here for a second. While I still think Iowa is fucked, this is a Kirk Ferentz coached team and will likely be within one score in at least 8-10 games.

Michigan State and Wisconsin will likely be way down. Minnesota and Iowa State won't be very good either. Purdue will be starting over and even Michigan supposedly will have a drop before going way up the next year. You get Northwestern at home.

The main reason for even a glimmer of hope is that if for some reason Iowa can stay healthy, you have likely one of the best offensive lines and a few decent running backs. They were starting to steamroll teams running the ball until injuries were too much to overcome. You get Scherff and Donnal back, Blythe in is more natural position of Center and Ryan Ward is likely going to be a stud at either RT or RG. Van Slotten and Walsh are also going to be better. You could have the best OL in the Big Ten.

The QB position can't get any worse, so Iowa has that going for them. A combo of Bullock, Weisman, Canzeri and Hill should be pretty damn good running behind that line.

You return CJ Fed and some other pretty damn good TE's that were getting targeted more at the end of the season. They could also be the best in the Big Ten. WR's will be a glaring weakness yet again, but Cotton, Smith, KMM and perhaps the JUCO kid could surprise.

Defense has an improving line. Cooper was damn good at the end of the year. Johnson and Ekakatie should be an improvement. Ott, Alvis, LTP, and others could be decent.

You have 3 senior LB's and a much more athletic backfield if Tanner Miller can be beat out.

[atemp]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

If Kirk doesn't make a bowl, does he deserve to retain his job?

No.

I can't imagine any of these schools in Iowa's vicinity keeping a coach in a non-rebuilding phase of the program retaining a coach with two consecutive losing seasons. Not just losing seasons, bad seasons, if Iowa played in the SEC they wouldn't have won a conference game this year, their schedule was weak and they still couldn't muster a .500 season.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj

But this is Iowa you can't expect to much from a $80 to $90 million dollar program.

[Will McCoy]

Originally Posted by douglasbader

Let's get positive here for a second. While I still think Iowa is fucked, this is a Kirk Ferentz coached team and will likely be within one score in at least 8-10 games.

Michigan State and Wisconsin will likely be way down. Minnesota and Iowa State won't be very good either. Purdue will be starting over and even Michigan supposedly will have a drop before going way up the next year. You get Northwestern at home.

The main reason for even a glimmer of hope is that if for some reason Iowa can stay healthy, you have likely one of the best offensive lines and a few decent running backs. They were starting to steamroll teams running the ball until injuries were too much to overcome. You get Scherff and Donnal back, Blythe in is more natural position of Center and Ryan Ward is likely going to be a stud at either RT or RG. Van Slotten and Walsh are also going to be better. You could have the best OL in the Big Ten.

The QB position can't get any worse, so Iowa has that going for them. A combo of Bullock, Weisman, Canzeri and Hill should be pretty damn good running behind that line.

You return CJ Fed and some other pretty damn good TE's that were getting targeted more at the end of the season. They could also be the best in the Big Ten. WR's will be a glaring weakness yet again, but Cotton, Smith, KMM and perhaps the JUCO kid could surprise.

Defense has an improving line. Cooper was damn good at the end of the year. Johnson and Ekakatie should be an improvement. Ott, Alvis, LTP, and others could be decent.

You have 3 senior LB's and a much more athletic backfield if Tanner Miller can be beat out.

Thanks. I'll add that as terrible as GDGD's offensive scheme was this year, at least the offense and staff will have another year of exposure. (If we're being positive here.)

[Gushawk]

Originally Posted by douglasbader

Let's get positive here for a second. While I still think Iowa is fucked, this is a Kirk Ferentz coached team and will likely be within one score in at least 8-10 games.

Michigan State and Wisconsin will likely be way down. Minnesota and Iowa State won't be very good either. Purdue will be starting over and even Michigan supposedly will have a drop before going way up the next year. You get Northwestern at home.

The main reason for even a glimmer of hope is that if for some reason Iowa can stay healthy, you have likely one of the best offensive lines and a few decent running backs. They were starting to steamroll teams running the ball until injuries were too much to overcome. You get Scherff and Donnal back, Blythe in is more natural position of Center and Ryan Ward is likely going to be a stud at either RT or RG. Van Slotten and Walsh are also going to be better. You could have the best OL in the Big Ten.

The QB position can't get any worse, so Iowa has that going for them. A combo of Bullock, Weisman, Canzeri and Hill should be pretty damn good running behind that line.

You return CJ Fed and some other pretty damn good TE's that were getting targeted more at the end of the season. They could also be the best in the Big Ten. WR's will be a glaring weakness yet again, but Cotton, Smith, KMM and perhaps the JUCO kid could surprise.

Defense has an improving line. Cooper was damn good at the end of the year. Johnson and Ekakatie should be an improvement. Ott, Alvis, LTP, and others could be decent.

You have 3 senior LB's and a much more athletic backfield if Tanner Miller can be beat out.

I agree with most of this - Just tough for me to have any confidence that we'll win more than half of those one score games (I think there's a good chance that all of the games are one score games except WMU, Missouri State (to the good) and Ohio State, Michigan and maybe Nebraska (to the bad).

I really hate our DE situation. One black dude, and he's nicknamed Bud and quite likely isn't any good. That should never happen at any D-1 program outside of Utah, let alone a Big Ten program.

I also don't think our safeties are likely to provide - physically in the case of Miller and mentally in the case of Law (if he can win the job) - what Iowa needs out of them in order for the defense to be as above average as it needs to be to make up for a Greg Davis and Kirk Ferentz coordinated offense.

[Uff Da]

I also don't think our safeties are likely to provide - physically in the case of Miller and mentally in the case of Law (if he can win the job) - what Iowa needs out of them in order for the defense to be as above average as it needs to be to make up for a Greg Davis and Kirk Ferentz coordinated offense.[/QUOTE]

I have no confidence for next season due to the Greg Davis offense. It was just painful and Iowa actually is losing its best receiver.

Those being optimistic about next year seem to be forgetting how truly awful Iowa was in 2012 and there are no real impact players showing up for 2013.

Just picture these performances from last year

Iowa State
Penn State
Central Michigan
Michigan
Northwestern
Purdue


The Michigan State game was pretty bad as well.

[douglasbader]

Uff Da, I picture those games you just mentioned, and they were still in position to win 3 of those on the last position.

[Gushawk]

And might have been in another had we been able to locate the play clock.

[douglasbader]

The more I think about all of this, it really comes down the the O-Line health and ability of the new QB to be even completely mediocre. If that happens, then Iowa could at least have a chance to surprise.

[DoeyHawk]

Originally Posted by douglasbader

The more I think about all of this, it really comes down the the O-Line health and ability of the new QB to be even completely mediocre. If that happens, then Iowa could at least have a chance to surprise.

Sure if everything works out perfectly for Iowa (few injuries and player improvement/development) then perhaps they win 7 games in the worst I am a giant douche in recent memory. I'm not the least bit excited.

I think Iowa will beat NIU by 3-7 pts, however if they lose, and then lose at ISU (80% certainty), look the fuck out. Angry/I'm smarter than all of you Kirk will be out in full force.

The I am a giant douche being so down will help to prolong Kirk's tenure at Iowa. This is unfortunate as I'd rather rip the bad aid off quickly.

[Gushawk]

Originally Posted by douglasbader

The more I think about all of this, it really comes down the the O-Line health and ability of the new QB to be even completely mediocre. If that happens, then Iowa could at least have a chance to surprise.

Maybe, but not if the Greg Davis passing game continues to encourage defenses to crowd the LOS to defend it, as well as our running game. Opponents must fear they'll pay for uber aggressive corner and safety play

[AZmess]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

If Kirk doesn't make a bowl, does he deserve to retain his job?

I think its more than just that. If they go 6-6 and maybe start out like shit but improve over the year and are playing at least decent football? Then yes. If they go 4-8 and look like shit to finish the year? Then maybe not.

[AZmess]

Originally Posted by douglasbader

The more I think about all of this, it really comes down the the O-Line health and ability of the new QB to be even completely mediocre. If that happens, then Iowa could at least have a chance to surprise.

This is where Dougie starts to come around.

[DoeyHawk]

Originally Posted by AZmess

This is where Dougie starts to come around.

By August he will be predicting 9-10 wins.

[Gushawk]

Originally Posted by AZmess

I think its more than just that. If they go 6-6 and maybe start out like shit but improve over the year and are playing at least decent football? Then yes. If they go 4-8 and look like shit to finish the year? Then maybe not.

Iowa will be in a bowl if they are 6-6.

[AZmess]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

Iowa will be in a bowl if they are 6-6.

Then I'd say he keeps his job.

[Kerky]

I picture it more like the Bear's season where the team gets out to a fast start early in the season with momentum and wins and then start playing a little better competition and shit hits the fan eventually leading to another non-bowl season at around 5-7.