College Football Recruiting about to go full retard

[douglasbader]

I didn't want to clutter up the 2014 Recruiting thread with this, but today Clifton Garrett posted a pic of 54 hand written letters he received from Ole' Miss. Scattered in the pic was a single lonely envelope from Iowa.

This is just the start of the DEFCON 1 level of stupidity about to take place in College Football. Here is an article in the Austin American Statesman from Saturday on how Texas should and likely will set up their recruiting moving forward. I sat there shaking my head. If people thought there was a recruiting disparity before in college, it is about to get a whole lot bigger, absurd and more expensive. This article advocates adding roughly 15-20 people to the payroll at a cost of at least a couple million dollars per year.

Player evaluation
It starts with player evaluation and identification.
The long-standing fundamental principle that college assistant coaches and a recruiting coordinator would be the only ones responsible for identifying and recruiting athletes, needs to be dismantled completely by Mack Brown.
A new NCAA rule specifically allows a school to employ as many folks dedicated to recruiting as it wants. Texas should establish a true player personnel department.
The first hire should be a personnel director, someone who has run an NFL scouting department or a college recruiting coordinator that has a proven track record. This is not a place for old guys to go and serve out the final days of their career. It has to be someone with serious player evaluation chops.
That person would then hire a staff of four to five folks who would do nothing but evaluate and scour players across the state and the country. Of course, the focus first and foremost needs to be turning over every rock in the home state to make sure no player goes unevaluated.
This four- or five-man staff would help Texas identify players quickly and consult with the Texas coaches.
A fast-rising senior like Amarillo Palo Duro’s Montrel Meander would never wait until the final week before signing day to be evaluated. And a guy like Athens’ Kendall Sanders wouldn’t almost fall through the cracks, either.

Multiple recruiting coordinators
I’m a strong believer in having two recruiting coordinators, one for offense and one for defense. That will make two people in charge, each for their own side of the ball, and it absolutely helps accountability for the head coach.
Right now, Brown can’t go to Bruce Chambers and complain about this defensive class. However, if he had a defensive recruiting coordinator, he could go directly to that person and hold him accountable.

Streamline director of football operations
Texas needs to separate a few of the functions that it consolidates into one person.
Right now, the person who manages part of the evaluation process is also responsible for getting assistant coaches to the right games on Friday nights, and they’re also responsible for figuring out travel. Those functions need to be given to separate people; it’s hard to be great at one thing if you have to be a master of all things.

Change the perception
Right now, Texas is looked upon as a stale program. Like it or not, that’s what too many recruits are seeing — an older coach running what was an older-style offense that has had issues winning like he used to.
Rather than run from some of those perceptions, Texas needs to embrace some of them. Of course, some of those things need to be changed altogether, like playing a more open style of offense, which is already underway.
Here’s what Texas should be using to its advantage:
Brown remains the only coach in the state to win a national championship (Larry Coker at UTSA doesn’t count).
Brown has put more players in the NFL than the rest of the Texas-based Big 12 coaches combined.
Of the major football schools, the university is the No. 1 rated school in the state academically.
The city of Austin is the state capitol.
Having recruits meet Earl Campbell and Vince Young is nice, and I see that as part of the solution, but it’s far from all of what Brown and Texas have to sell. Taking recruits to the Vince Young Steakhouse is a great touch as well. Brown already does a lot of things right, but there’s always room for improvement.
Paying more attention to pre-game activities helps. Paying more attention to in-game activities helps. Make the games and the stadium less about a Taco Bell commercial and more about the “experience.”

Get games off LHN
Providing three football games a year to the Longhorn Network is absolutely ludicrous, and DeLoss Dodds needs to hear about it from Brown. The network limits the visibility of the football program. Period.
That, in turn, directly hurts recruiting. One quarter of your season only being shown on a poorly distributed network hurts the visibility of the program immensely.
If Baylor, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are all going to be on easily accessible channels while Texas is going to be relegated to LHN, it’s an advantage to those other teams.
One game a year is all that Texas is required to push to LHN.

Satellite camps
Stop finding excuses not to do it and get after the satellite camps.
These camps are proven to help identify players. A newly created personnel department could potentially be a part of these camps and even help make them a reality.
Yes, it will cut into the staff’s vacation time, but other staffs already have multiple satellite camps while Texas insists players come to Austin.
There is little question that satellite camps are helping Baylor, TCU and Oklahoma State evaluate players that they can’t get on their own campuses. In fact, it’s how Gary Patterson, Art Briles and Mike Gundy have all but closed the talent gap while Brown and Bob Stoops have sat back and watched it happen.

Keep moving forward
In some ways, Brown has revolutionized recruiting throughout his career as a head coach. While he’s known for early recruiting, there are other aspects that are more nuanced, like having a player panel on junior day, or even junior day itself.
But if he stops looking for ways to improve and taking the necessary steps to improve, he and the Horns will get passed up. That’s what the Horns are in danger of unless Brown takes immediate action.
By visiting high schools of key juniors this winter and offering scholarships earlier, Brown has proven he is willing to change. But some of the suggestions in this article aren’t merely about change, they’re about changing the recruiting dynamic and the long-standing inertia of how he has recruited.
As the saying goes, history tends to repeat itself. The fear is if Brown doesn’t make changes now, history will only repeat itself and the Horns will stumble to the finish line again next year.

http://www.statesman.com/news/sports...s-recru/nWKWj/

[Jimmie Dimmick]

I honestly had no idea if they were going to do this or not when I posted this:

[BuffettHawk]

Relax guys. Ferentz is all over this.

[valp0guy]

Get games off LHN
Providing three football games a year to the Longhorn Network is absolutely ludicrous, and DeLoss Dodds needs to hear about it from Brown. The network limits the visibility of the football program. Period.
That, in turn, directly hurts recruiting. One quarter of your season only being shown on a poorly distributed network hurts the visibility of the program immensely.
If Baylor, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are all going to be on easily accessible channels while Texas is going to be relegated to LHN, it’s an advantage to those other teams.
One game a year is all that Texas is required to push to LHN.

Get games off the network that we created to show games!

[douglasbader]

They will and they are Jimmie. Every single SEC team will set up a department like this. 20 employees working around the clock to shove as much shit down recruits throats.

I would also imagine Texas, Oklahoma, Oregon, USC, Washington, Notre Dame, Ohio State, perhaps Michigan and others will follow along with something similar. There will be schools and coaches who don't and some lower level schools that will go all in on this in an attempt to even the field. Illinois would be the type of school and coach that I could see setting up an SEC style war room for recruiting.

My guess is that Iowa will add a few more lower level personnel, interns and work study kids to help out, but they will for the most part stay the same.

[valp0guy]

Here’s what Texas should be using to its advantage:
Brown remains the only coach in the state to win a national championship (Larry Coker at UTSA doesn’t count).

That's different!

[Jimmie Dimmick]

Originally Posted by valp0guy

That's different!

[douglasbader]

Originally Posted by BuffettHawk

Relax guys. Ferentz is all over this.

I really hope he isn't and won't. There really isn't any need for him to, it isn't like Iowa is suddenly going to start pulling in recruits much above what they already do or have in the past.

Watching the fake celebrations on signing day was sickening. I would rather go 7-5 every year than sell out to that bullshit.

[douglasbader]

There are also going to be kids that teams like Ole' Miss completely turn off by doing this.

[BuffettHawk]

Originally Posted by douglasbader

I really hope he isn't and won't. There really isn't any need for him to, it isn't like Iowa is suddenly going to start pulling in recruits much above what they already do or have in the past.

Watching the fake celebrations on signing day was sickening. I would rather go 7-5 every year than sell out to that bullshit.

I somewhat agree, but recruiting is going to change overall, and Ferentz will have to make some changes (as you pointed out in your previous post). We are going to see two, even more distinct, levels of college football moving forward: 1) SEC, OSU, ND, USC, Oregon, Texas, Oklahoma, OkSU and 2) the rest. The talent gaps are going to grow, and the rich will keep getting richer. There's not much the NCAA can do to stop it. It's the beast that is college football.

[douglasbader]

54 fucking letters. That is $27 in postage alone.

[Jimmie Dimmick]

Originally Posted by douglasbader

They will and they are Jimmie. Every single SEC team will set up a department like this. 20 employees working around the clock to shove as much shit down recruits throats.

I would also imagine Texas, Oklahoma, Oregon, USC, Washington, Notre Dame, Ohio State, perhaps Michigan and others will follow along with something similar. There will be schools and coaches who don't and some lower level schools that will go all in on this in an attempt to even the field. Illinois would be the type of school and coach that I could see setting up an SEC style war room for recruiting.

My guess is that Iowa will add a few more lower level personnel, interns and work study kids to help out, but they will for the most part stay the same.

A guy like TJO for ISU could be a consultant basically running a recruiting sweatshop for a team, teach them how to slime and then move on to the next highest bidder.

[BuffettHawk]

Originally Posted by douglasbader

There are also going to be kids that teams like Ole' Miss completely turn off by doing this.

Primarily due to it being Ole Miss. If it were OSU or Bama focusing this much attention on a kid, I'm sure the kid would feel differently.

[Bonner]

Originally Posted by douglasbader

There are also going to be kids that teams like Ole' Miss completely turn off by doing this.

Probably. But if send out flyers to 200 kids and strike gold with 5....you're setting yourself up for a top 20 recruiting class.

[L. Wade Childress]

Originally Posted by douglasbader

54 fucking letters. That is $27 in postage alone.

lol

[Gushawk]

"Change the Perception" paragraph was interesting. Think there is anything like that floating around the Iowa athletic department?

[douglasbader]

Originally Posted by BuffettHawk

I somewhat agree, but recruiting is going to change overall, and Ferentz will have to make some changes (as you pointed out in your previous post). We are going to see two, even more distinct, levels of college football moving forward: 1) SEC, OSU, ND, USC, Oregon, Texas, Oklahoma, OkSU and 2) the rest. The talent gaps are going to grow, and the rich will keep getting richer. There's not much the NCAA can do to stop it. It's the beast that is college football.

You are correct, but there will be actually 3 distinct levels.

1. SEC, OSU, ND, USC, Oregon, Texas, Oklahoma, OKST, Nebraska, Florida State, Miami, Clemson, UCLA with random lower level teams like Illinois, Washington, Arizona, North Carolina the spend tons of money to keep up and are succesful random years
2. Rest of the Big Ten, Pac 12, Big 12, ACC
3. Everyone else

I wonder if the NCAA did this as a way to appease the super powers so they won't break off and form their own league with the Top 4-5 conferences.

[kmurp]

Originally Posted by BuffettHawk

I somewhat agree, but recruiting is going to change overall, and Ferentz will have to make some changes (as you pointed out in your previous post). We are going to see two, even more distinct, levels of college football moving forward: 1) SEC, OSU, ND, USC, Oregon, Texas, Oklahoma, OkSU and 2) the rest. The talent gaps are going to grow, and the rich will keep getting richer. There's not much the NCAA can do to stop it. It's the beast that is college football.

Does this portend a superconference with maybe 20-24 football schools in the future?

[Shawneemicks]

The Big Ten is so fucked

[Shawneemicks]

So so very fucked...

http://thegazette.com/2013/02/11/big...ious-concerns/

[MikeyJoe]

The thing that makes sense to me is the "director of personnel" type role. I think that's a fantastic idea.

[L. Wade Childress]

Originally Posted by Shawneemicks

The Big Ten is so fucked

how so?

we can just go back to playing each other and enjoying traditional rivalries. ill enjoy my pro football on sundays.

[kmurp]

Originally Posted by L. Wade Childress

how so?

we can just go back to playing each other and enjoying traditional rivalries. ill enjoy my pro football on sundays.

How long would OSU, Michigan and Nebraska put up with disparity? Could they leave?

[Shawneemicks]

Originally Posted by L. Wade Childress

how so?

we can just go back to playing each other and enjoying traditional rivalries. ill enjoy my pro football on sundays.

Ohio St isn't just going to willingly let their football program become second tier, which is what is going to happen with these rules because there is zero fucking chance the Big Ten adopts them. They'll leave the Big Ten before they allow their fball program to become second rate/tier. Same for Michigan, Nebraska.

[douglasbader]

Originally Posted by Shawneemicks

Ohio St isn't just going to willingly let their football program become second tier, which is what is going to happen with these rules because there is zero fucking chance the Big Ten adopts them. They'll leave the Big Ten before they allow their fball program to become second rate/tier. Same for Michigan, Nebraska.

No, they will do exactly what they did today and stand lock step with the rest of the conference saying that the new rules are awful and need to be tabled and changed.

[Shawneemicks]

Sure they will.

[douglasbader]

Originally Posted by Shawneemicks

Sure they will.

They just did it today you fucking retard.

[Shawneemicks]

Originally Posted by douglasbader

They just did it today you fucking retard.

Of course they did, Doug.
They want the status quo. This is step one/option one.
What happens if that doesn't happen(it won't)?

Am I supposed to believe that OSU will willingly allow their football program to remain in a league that will no longer compete for championships on a national level? If the Big Ten "opts out" of these rules and operates under stricter rules they effectively opt out of tier one athletics. You obviously have a higher regard for The Ohio State University than I because I see no fucking way that happens.

[cloudhawk]

There aint no fucking way that college football moves on without the big ten conference- get a grip

[douglasbader]

Originally Posted by Shawneemicks

Of course they did, Doug.
They want the status quo. This is step one/option one.
What happens if that doesn't happen(it won't)?

Am I supposed to believe that OSU will willingly allow their football program to remain in a league that will no longer compete for championships on a national level? If the Big Ten "opts out" of these rules and operates under stricter rules they effectively opt out of tier one athletics. You obviously have a higher regard for The Ohio State University than I because I see no fucking way that happens.

What if Bibble comes down from Nebulon 5 and declares that every school has to be in the Big Ten?

If you are going to talk about horseshit hypothetical scenarios that have a 0% chance of happening, then we better prepare for a mandate by space aliens.

[Hawkstrat]

Shawneemicks is a fucking spaz.

[Shawneemicks]

Originally Posted by cloudhawk

There aint no fucking way that college football moves on without the big ten conference- get a grip

I don't think anyone is saying that college football is deciding to move on from the Big Ten as much as it is the Big Ten deciding if it wants to operate under the coming rules. If the Big Ten won't/doesn't & everyone else does, that's the scenario I'm talking about. Apparently ALL conferences had previously approved these changes, including the schizophrenic Big Ten. So its not out of left field to think that the potential is there for the scenario I'm describing.

[Shawneemicks]

Originally Posted by Hawkstrat

Shawneemicks is a fucking spaz.

LOL, yeah, I'm the spaz.

[cloudhawk]

Originally Posted by Shawneemicks

I don't think anyone is saying that college football is deciding to move on from the Big Ten as much as it is the Big Ten deciding if it wants to operate under the coming rules. If the Big Ten won't/doesn't & everyone else does, that's the scenario I'm talking about. Apparently ALL conferences had previously approved these changes, including the schizophrenic Big Ten. So its not out of left field to think that the potential is there for the scenario I'm describing.

L.O.L.

[douglasbader]

Originally Posted by Shawneemicks

I don't think anyone is saying that college football is deciding to move on from the Big Ten as much as it is the Big Ten deciding if it wants to operate under the coming rules. If the Big Ten won't/doesn't & everyone else does, that's the scenario I'm talking about. Apparently ALL conferences had previously approved these changes, including the schizophrenic Big Ten. So its not out of left field to think that the potential is there for the scenario I'm describing.

You are out of your mind.

[MikeyJoe]

Originally Posted by Shawneemicks

LOL, yeah, I'm the spaz.

Iowa is going to lose the Black Friday game!!!1!1LK1j!

[brantshawks]

[newsbreaker]

Nebraska doesn't have time to worry about this. They're busy petitioning the Big Ten to change the Black Friday game.

/retardmicks.


Shit. Scooped.

[AZmess]

Waiting for the Barta post

[YugoslavianMountainHound]

It would be cool if Barta was marginally competent and we could make jingoistic "This is Barta!" gifs.

[Gushawk]

Them's fightin' words, Mountainhound.

[Fair and Balanced]

Originally Posted by cloudhawk

There aint no fucking way that college football moves on without the big ten conference- get a grip

In a way it already has.

[FrodoTBaggin]

nm

[AZmess]

Pussy

[C-3PO]

I have a outsource offshore program that will handle the needs of all these schools. The University of <insert name> thinks you are the best!

Cash money boyz.

[lilzaphod]

Originally Posted by YugoslavianMountainHound

It would be cool if Barta was marginally competent and we could make jingoistic "This is Barta!" gifs.

His teeth are like the Spartan's Phalanax.

[Hawkeye_Pierce]

Originally Posted by Shawneemicks

Ohio St isn't just going to willingly let their football program become second tier, which is what is going to happen with these rules because there is zero fucking chance the Big Ten adopts them. They'll leave the Big Ten before they allow their fball program to become second rate/tier. Same for Michigan, Nebraska.

A much more likely scenario is that Urban Meyer says "fuck it" after a few years and takes a job with a school in the SEC. He doesn't strike me as the type of guy who will fight with one arm tied behind his back. OSU isn't going to secede.

In terms of adding a scouting department to the staff, what's the big deal? It's not as if Iowa couldn't afford to add to their payroll and I'm sure the coaches would love to focus more on player development than recruiting.

[Hawkeye_Pierce]

Originally Posted by douglasbader

I really hope he isn't and won't. There really isn't any need for him to, it isn't like Iowa is suddenly going to start pulling in recruits much above what they already do or have in the past.

Watching the fake celebrations on signing day was sickening. I would rather go 7-5 every year than sell out to that bullshit.

What's really the point of contention here? That Ole Miss sent a bunch of letters to a kid? That's been going on for decades. Or is it that some schools may employ scouting staffs? Again, who cares as long as it's within the rules? Frankly, Iowa's coaching staff would probably love to focus more on coaching/player development than recruiting and they could easily afford it.

Why do we continue to pretend that college athletics - at least hoops and football - isn't a big business? It isn't going to change and playing the martyr isn't going to make your Iowa degree any shinier. Conference expansion, camps, conference-owned TV networks, tournaments, ridiculously paid coaches (see Ferentz, Kirk), etc. - drawing a line the sand at scouting staffs and lame signing day "press conferences" seems odd.

[cloudhawk]

Originally Posted by Fair and Balanced

In a way it already has.

Expand on this.....

[douglasbader]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_Pierce

What's really the point of contention here? That Ole Miss sent a bunch of letters to a kid? That's been going on for decades. Or is it that some schools may employ scouting staffs? Again, who cares as long as it's within the rules? Frankly, Iowa's coaching staff would probably love to focus more on coaching/player development than recruiting and they could easily afford it.

Why do we continue to pretend that college athletics - at least hoops and football - isn't a big business? It isn't going to change and playing the martyr isn't going to make your Iowa degree any shinier. Conference expansion, camps, conference-owned TV networks, tournaments, ridiculously paid coaches (see Ferentz, Kirk), etc. - drawing a line the sand at scouting staffs and lame signing day "press conferences" seems odd.

This is the whole point, there essentially won't be any more rules or anyone watching.