Big Ten going to 9 or 10 game schedule in 2014 - Page 3

newsbreaker · 02-13-2013, 08:38 AM

Greg discouraged him from playing at Iowa State because he didn't think a power league was the right fit. Moving to a mid major conference and the prospect of playing each other changed things.

I think "he could have played for his dad at Iowa State" is unnecessarily simplistic.

douglasbader · 02-13-2013, 08:38 AM

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Fuck UNI. The culmination of beating Kansas, almost winning in Iowa City if not for 2 blocked FG's, and almost taking Iowa State down in Ames gave them a big fucking head.

Their sin was thinking that any of that meant they mattered or belonged. They thought they could dictate scheduling of games and locations. They acted as if they were better and owed something.

Nice to see reality smacking them in the face.

They'll be fine. They'll schedule another Big 12 team to make up for the money. Losing the Iowa game is the least of their worries in that financially defunct AD.

The bigger conferences will all move away from scheduling FCS.

ivan_drago · 02-13-2013, 08:40 AM

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What on earth are you talking about? I explained exactly why you're being dumb. Hawkstrat said that McDermott went to play for his dad. Your response to him was "HURR BEN BRUST". Who, you know, didn't go to another school to play for his dad.

If you want to argue that McDermott really didn't care about playing for his dad (which, um, okay), fine, but that still doesn't mean your Ben Brust wicked pwn had anything to do with the post you were responding to.

What do you mean "Which, um, okay?"

Doug could have signed with ISU when his dad was coaching there. He didn't. If playing for his dad was so important, he would have done so - and not signed with an MVC team two hours away.

Maybe he changed his mind and decided later that playing for his dad was more important that he thought. He was a dumb teenager. Who cares that he didn't originally commit to his dad? Do you actually think it was a total coincidence that he picked Creighton and that his dad had nothing to do with it?

I thought I was pretty clear in my first response to this that I didn't give a crap about him switching his commitment - kids do that. Shit, he was 16? when he committed.

I was "butt hurt" about Jake being a pussy and putting on, as he called it, "the friend hat," and not making Doug sit out a year. If it had been anyone outside of the MVC, outside of the team that's going to have a direct impact on your team's tourney chances, you let him go and forget it. Greg's your friend, that's fine. But Creighton? Sorry, Greg- he needs to sit a year.

My paragraphs about me not believing in the "Oh, but he wanted to play for his dad so it's OK" rhetoric are secondary to my point.

TH1974 · 02-13-2013, 08:42 AM

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What on earth are you talking about? I explained exactly why you're being dumb. Hawkstrat said that McDermott went to play for his dad. Your response to him was "HURR BEN BRUST". Who, you know, didn't go to another school to play for his dad.

If you want to argue that McDermott really didn't care about playing for his dad (which, um, okay), fine, but that still doesn't mean your Ben Brust wicked pwn had anything to do with the post you were responding to.

What do you mean "Which, um, okay?"

Doug could have signed with ISU when his dad was coaching there. He didn't. If playing for his dad was so important, he would have done so - and not signed with an MVC team two hours away.

He wasn't regarded as a high DI player coming out of HS (did he even have a high D1 offer?). Could he have walked on? I suppose. But that wouldn't have helped either one of them. The Clone fans were restless with McDermott by that point and bringing in his son on scholarship wouldn't have been good PR for either of them.

No way. It was an intentional screw-job to UNI. It all went according to plan. I think even if Greg McD had stayed at ISU, they'd have had Doug McD transfer to ISU at the last minute like he did to Creighton just to stick it to UNI. McMoney!

Lime · 02-13-2013, 08:43 AM

what did UNI do with the basketball scheduling? they and Drake wanted to keep the status quo which makes sense since not a lot of mid-majors get annual home games with BCS schools. they had no real leverage and basically did what Iowa/ISU wanted because of that.

ivan_drago · 02-13-2013, 08:43 AM

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What do you mean "Which, um, okay?"

Doug could have signed with ISU when his dad was coaching there. He didn't. If playing for his dad was so important, he would have done so - and not signed with an MVC team two hours away.

He wasn't regarded as a high DI player coming out of HS (did he even have a high D1 offer?). Could he have walked on? I suppose. But that wouldn't have helped either one of them. The Clone fans were restless with McDermott by that point and bringing in his son on scholarship wouldn't have been good PR for either of them.

No way. It was an intentional screw-job to UNI. It all went according to plan. I think even if Greg McD had stayed at ISU, they'd have had Doug McD transfer to ISU at the last minute like he did to Creighton just to stick it to UNI. McMoney!

As always, great, level headed insight.

AZmess · 02-13-2013, 08:47 AM

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Why the fuck do I keep reading this Gary Rima guys' name on this board? Why should anyone care wtf he has to say?

He's UNI's version of Dolph. I sat next to him once during the banquet at their annual fund raiser golf tournament in Cedar Rapids. He was awesome to talk to.

TH1974 · 02-13-2013, 08:47 AM

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He wasn't regarded as a high DI player coming out of HS (did he even have a high D1 offer?). Could he have walked on? I suppose. But that wouldn't have helped either one of them. The Clone fans were restless with McDermott by that point and bringing in his son on scholarship wouldn't have been good PR for either of them.

No way. It was an intentional screw-job to UNI. It all went according to plan. I think even if Greg McD had stayed at ISU, they'd have had Doug McD transfer to ISU at the last minute like he did to Creighton just to stick it to UNI. McMoney!

As always, great, level headed insight.

It was all part of the board of regents plan to eliminate the UNI athletic department. They hired Ben Allen and Troy Dannen to get the ball rolling, then had Greg McDermott leave ISU (a Iowa Board of Regents school, convenient!) and take his son to Creighton. This should have been the final blow, but they didn't count on UNI beating Kansas and 13000 fans showing up for football games. The panthers will not be tamed. They'll be fanging everyone, and getting much more from their athletic-department/general-fund buck than Iowa!

Hawkstrat · 02-13-2013, 08:48 AM

Father and son believe that he is a fit for a midmajor program, so he commits to the school his dad once coached for.

Father leaves for a midmajor.

Son wants to play for him.

Gets full release.

Ivan is pissed.

Not butt hurt.

Lime · 02-13-2013, 08:50 AM

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Father and son believe that he is a fit for a midmajor program, so he commits to the school his dad once coached for.

Father leaves for a midmajor.

Son wants to play for him.

Gets full release.

Ivan is pissed.

Not butt hurt.

the key takeaway is that Greg is apparently a horrible evaluator of talent.

newsbreaker · 02-13-2013, 08:54 AM

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He's UNI's version of Dolph. I sat next to him once during the banquet at their annual fund raiser golf tournament in Cedar Rapids. He was awesome to talk to.

Rima is a great guy to talk to. I always enjoyed him. His style isn't for everyone, but he knows who butters his bread and he targets them effectively.

He's a talented guy. The "catch phrase" thing isn't my cup of tea, but he calls a good game. He sort of lucked his way into that job, but he's good at it (especially for that level).

AZmess · 02-13-2013, 08:57 AM

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He's UNI's version of Dolph. I sat next to him once during the banquet at their annual fund raiser golf tournament in Cedar Rapids. He was awesome to talk to.

Rima is a great guy to talk to. I always enjoyed him. His style isn't for everyone, but he knows who butters his bread and he targets them effectively.

He's a talented guy. The "catch phrase" thing isn't my cup of tea, but he calls a good game. He sort of lucked his way into that job, but he's good at it (especially for that level).

LOL yeah I met him before I ever heard his "Kaboom!". My opinion might have been different

ivan_drago · 02-13-2013, 08:59 AM

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Father and son believe that he is a fit for a midmajor program, so he commits to the school his dad once coached for.

Father leaves for a midmajor.

Son wants to play for him.

Gets full release.

Ivan is pissed.

Not butt hurt.

Not at Greg or Doug.

Hawkstrat · 02-13-2013, 09:03 AM

No, of course not. Just at the man who was able to identify why it was normal to let the son go play for his dad.

FrodoTBaggin · 02-13-2013, 09:05 AM

Ivan channeling his inner Bo Ryan but worse. That's nice.

ivan_drago · 02-13-2013, 09:07 AM

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Ivan channeling his inner Bo Ryan but worse. That's nice.

FrodoTBaggin · 02-13-2013, 09:14 AM

lol

FrodoTBaggin · 02-13-2013, 09:15 AM

Seriously though, fuck UNI.

L. Wade Childress · 02-13-2013, 09:39 AM

i am not butthurt. i completely understand wanting to play for Dad. however he should have had to sit out 2 years. it completely changed the history of the MVC, which most people here dont care about, but its important to me. UNI will likely be going for their 5th straight conference title. for a program that was irrelevant ten years ago and struggles to attract attention for a variety of reasons out of their control, thats a big deal

L. Wade Childress · 02-13-2013, 09:40 AM

Rima is great to talk hoops or baseball with. he is passionate about sports. however, he is a real piece of shit human being, and fortunately that shines through at times.

DoeyHawk · 02-13-2013, 09:43 AM

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however, he is a real piece of shit human being, and fortunately that shines through at times.

What's the story?

AZmess · 02-13-2013, 09:44 AM

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i am not butthurt. i completely understand wanting to play for Dad. however he should have had to sit out 2 years. it completely changed the history of the MVC, which most people here dont care about, but its important to me. UNI will likely be going for their 5th straight conference title. for a program that was irrelevant ten years ago and struggles to attract attention for a variety of reasons out of their control, thats a big deal

A tad dramatic, don't you think?

JD720 · 02-13-2013, 09:45 AM

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i am not butthurt. i completely understand wanting to play for Dad. however he should have had to sit out 2 years. it completely changed the history of the MVC, which most people here dont care about, but its important to me. UNI will likely be going for their 5th straight conference title. for a program that was irrelevant ten years ago and struggles to attract attention for a variety of reasons out of their control, thats a big deal

A tad dramatic, don't you think?

And optimistic.

ivan_drago · 02-13-2013, 09:46 AM

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however, he is a real piece of shit human being, and fortunately that shines through at times.

What's the story?

Rima is a scam artist. I've heard multiple versions of this, but I'll let Lwade tell it because, well, it'll be hilarrrrrious!@!@!

L. Wade Childress · 02-13-2013, 09:50 AM

hes never done anything to me so ill let people google themselves.

L. Wade Childress · 02-13-2013, 09:50 AM

UNI was alone in first when o'rear got hurt in 2011. doug was in the middle of a historic freshman year.

nevermind the fact that UNI stopped recruiting a PF once they SIGNED doug. he wasnt just committed....he was SIGNED.

DoeyHawk · 02-13-2013, 09:55 AM

I quick google search yielded no results for Gary being a POS.

Lime · 02-13-2013, 03:14 PM

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Also I don't see how this really screws uni. They still have ISU and they have played osu, byu, ku etc recently. They were only getting 500k from iowa.

Dannen says it's "potentially devestating".

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/art...rn-Iowa?Sports

newsbreaker · 02-13-2013, 03:38 PM

He also said Brata reported that there was no final decision.

UNI can't play two BCS conference games in a year if this happens. That's an economic problem, and a big one. The question is whether it impacts the thinking of the Board of Regents.

I'm increasingly wondering if UNI doesn't eventually deemphasize football so that basketball, where they have a far greater chance of having a national presence, can survive and flourish.

Lime · 02-13-2013, 03:43 PM

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UNI can't play two BCS conference games in a year if this happens. That's an economic problem, and a big one.

Are you saying that it would be cost-prohibitive to travel (and therefore offset the benefit of the guarantee game) or that it's just unlikely (since the demand for FCS opponents would go down so much...not like Florida is going to bring in UNI)?

newsbreaker · 02-13-2013, 03:49 PM

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Are you saying that it would be cost-prohibitive to travel (and therefore offset the benefit of the guarantee game) or that it's just unlikely (since the demand for FCS opponents would go down so much...not like Florida is going to bring in UNI)?

The distant games are less profitable, but I think they were planning on two "regional" games. Iowa State plus schools like Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, etc. There won't be enough to go around. I also think what the Big Ten is doing here will be sop in the other BCS leagues.

I never thought this "two BCS games per year" deal was going to work or last.

L. Wade Childress · 02-13-2013, 03:54 PM

i think that de-emphasizing football will kill university relations with its alumni base and have a huge impact on the economy of the cedar valley including the amount donated to and spent on the program.

the FCS model is going to die for schools that do not see football as a way to market the school and connect to its graduates. i have no idea why the regents think that this ridiculous self-sustaining standard should apply to UNI and why the anti-athletics folks think that dropping football could possibly have a positive effect on the university and community.

TH1974 · 02-13-2013, 05:24 PM

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i think that de-emphasizing football will kill university relations with its alumni base and have a huge impact on the economy of the cedar valley including the amount donated to and spent on the program.

the FCS model is going to die for schools that do not see football as a way to market the school and connect to its graduates. i have no idea why the regents think that this ridiculous self-sustaining standard should apply to UNI and why the anti-athletics folks think that dropping football could possibly have a positive effect on the university and community.

But, to be fair, the catastrophic effect from de-emphasizing football at UNI that some people predict is well overblown, too.

newsbreaker · 02-13-2013, 05:36 PM

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i think that de-emphasizing football will kill university relations with its alumni base and have a huge impact on the economy of the cedar valley including the amount donated to and spent on the program.

the FCS model is going to die for schools that do not see football as a way to market the school and connect to its graduates. i have no idea why the regents think that this ridiculous self-sustaining standard should apply to UNI and why the anti-athletics folks think that dropping football could possibly have a positive effect on the university and community.

But, to be fair, the catastrophic effect from de-emphasizing football at UNI that some people predict is well overblown, too.

It is ill-defined.

L. Wade Childress · 02-13-2013, 05:38 PM

nothing worth 1,000,000 bucks at best can be defined as catastrophic

lilzaphod · 02-13-2013, 05:39 PM

This is easily summed up: Not Iowa's Problem.

Kamala · 02-13-2013, 05:48 PM

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This is easily summed up: Not Iowa's Problem.

Correct. Fuck them.

Fuck Ames, too.

HiawathaHawk · 02-13-2013, 06:49 PM

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Nobody at Iowa gives a shit about Ben Brust and never has. It is just something to boo about.

Correct.

ivan_drago · 02-13-2013, 06:58 PM

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Nobody at Iowa gives a shit about Ben Brust and never has. It is just something to boo about.

Well, except you, who pretty much posted that he should've had to sit out/pay for narking on his LOI when it happened. Which is all I've contended about McDermott, nothing more.

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The player is signing with the school, not the coach. The coach isn't paying the scholarship funds, the player won't be an alumni of Bo Ryan University.

http://www.hawkeyelounge.com/showpos...21&postcount=3

YugoslavianMountainHound · 02-13-2013, 07:13 PM

Apparently I was way off when I entered this thread expecting to read about Big Ten football...

02-13-2013, 08:38 AM	#101
newsbreaker Saw A Nipple Right Away Join Date: 02:43 PM August 24th, 2007 Posts: 42,880	Greg discouraged him from playing at Iowa State because he didn't think a power league was the right fit. Moving to a mid major conference and the prospect of playing each other changed things. I think "he could have played for his dad at Iowa State" is unnecessarily simplistic. __________________

02-13-2013, 08:48 AM	#109
Hawkstrat Join Date: 10:18 PM December 5th, 2007 Posts: 4,602	Father and son believe that he is a fit for a midmajor program, so he commits to the school his dad once coached for. Father leaves for a midmajor. Son wants to play for him. Gets full release. Ivan is pissed. Not butt hurt. __________________ Calm the fuck down people.

02-13-2013, 09:03 AM	#114
Hawkstrat Join Date: 10:18 PM December 5th, 2007 Posts: 4,602	No, of course not. Just at the man who was able to identify why it was normal to let the son go play for his dad. __________________ Calm the fuck down people.

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FrodoTBaggin FRiend Of DOrothy Join Date: 09:45 AM February 11th, 2010 Posts: 23,223	Ivan channeling his inner Bo Ryan but worse. That's nice. __________________ Whereas what we have here? A bunch of fig-eaters wearing towels on their heads, trying to find reverse in a Soviet tank. This is not a worthy adversary.

02-13-2013, 09:14 AM	#117
FrodoTBaggin FRiend Of DOrothy Join Date: 09:45 AM February 11th, 2010 Posts: 23,223	lol __________________ Whereas what we have here? A bunch of fig-eaters wearing towels on their heads, trying to find reverse in a Soviet tank. This is not a worthy adversary.

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Lime Join Date: 10:15 AM July 15th, 2009 Location: Stairway to Lenin Posts: 8,827	what did UNI do with the basketball scheduling? they and Drake wanted to keep the status quo which makes sense since not a lot of mid-majors get annual home games with BCS schools. they had no real leverage and basically did what Iowa/ISU wanted because of that.

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FrodoTBaggin FRiend Of DOrothy Join Date: 09:45 AM February 11th, 2010 Posts: 23,223	Seriously though, fuck UNI. __________________ Whereas what we have here? A bunch of fig-eaters wearing towels on their heads, trying to find reverse in a Soviet tank. This is not a worthy adversary.

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L. Wade Childress Is Texting Right Now Join Date: 02:22 PM August 24th, 2007 Location: METRO! Posts: 32,709	i am not butthurt. i completely understand wanting to play for Dad. however he should have had to sit out 2 years. it completely changed the history of the MVC, which most people here dont care about, but its important to me. UNI will likely be going for their 5th straight conference title. for a program that was irrelevant ten years ago and struggles to attract attention for a variety of reasons out of their control, thats a big deal __________________ I don't know if I could ever, ever change. I don't think that I would want to anyway.

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L. Wade Childress Is Texting Right Now Join Date: 02:22 PM August 24th, 2007 Location: METRO! Posts: 32,709	Rima is great to talk hoops or baseball with. he is passionate about sports. however, he is a real piece of shit human being, and fortunately that shines through at times. __________________ I don't know if I could ever, ever change. I don't think that I would want to anyway.

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L. Wade Childress Is Texting Right Now Join Date: 02:22 PM August 24th, 2007 Location: METRO! Posts: 32,709	hes never done anything to me so ill let people google themselves. __________________ I don't know if I could ever, ever change. I don't think that I would want to anyway.

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L. Wade Childress Is Texting Right Now Join Date: 02:22 PM August 24th, 2007 Location: METRO! Posts: 32,709	UNI was alone in first when o'rear got hurt in 2011. doug was in the middle of a historic freshman year. nevermind the fact that UNI stopped recruiting a PF once they SIGNED doug. he wasnt just committed....he was SIGNED. __________________ I don't know if I could ever, ever change. I don't think that I would want to anyway. Last edited by L. Wade Childress; 02-13-2013 at 09:55 AM.

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DoeyHawk Join Date: 02:09 PM September 22nd, 2009 Location: Urbandale Posts: 8,758	I quick google search yielded no results for Gary being a POS.

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newsbreaker Saw A Nipple Right Away Join Date: 02:43 PM August 24th, 2007 Posts: 42,880	He also said Brata reported that there was no final decision. UNI can't play two BCS conference games in a year if this happens. That's an economic problem, and a big one. The question is whether it impacts the thinking of the Board of Regents. I'm increasingly wondering if UNI doesn't eventually deemphasize football so that basketball, where they have a far greater chance of having a national presence, can survive and flourish. __________________

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L. Wade Childress Is Texting Right Now Join Date: 02:22 PM August 24th, 2007 Location: METRO! Posts: 32,709	i think that de-emphasizing football will kill university relations with its alumni base and have a huge impact on the economy of the cedar valley including the amount donated to and spent on the program. the FCS model is going to die for schools that do not see football as a way to market the school and connect to its graduates. i have no idea why the regents think that this ridiculous self-sustaining standard should apply to UNI and why the anti-athletics folks think that dropping football could possibly have a positive effect on the university and community. __________________ I don't know if I could ever, ever change. I don't think that I would want to anyway.

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L. Wade Childress Is Texting Right Now Join Date: 02:22 PM August 24th, 2007 Location: METRO! Posts: 32,709	nothing worth 1,000,000 bucks at best can be defined as catastrophic __________________ I don't know if I could ever, ever change. I don't think that I would want to anyway.

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lilzaphod Join Date: 10:56 AM August 27th, 2007 Posts: 18,708	This is easily summed up: Not Iowa's Problem. __________________ "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence." George Washington ~~~~ MIAB - L ~~~~

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