Kinnick reseating plans leaked

[MikeyJoe]

http://thegazette.com/2013/01/25/int...ick-reseating/

Iowa put a test version of their announcement page up and Morehouse found it.

[Gushawk]

Gary's got a lot riding on Kirk's faith in Greg.

[AZmess]

[AZmess]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

Gary's got a lot riding on Kirk's faith in Greg.

Not really.

[Jimmie Dimmick]

No change for me it seems. I might move up to zone 1 though.

[Gushawk]

Originally Posted by AZmess

Not really.

We appear to differ on the degree to which the product matters, particularly when it comes to filling those $600 and $400 seating tiers. Not an insignificant number of seats there.

[Jimmie Dimmick]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

We appear to differ on the degree to which the product matters, particularly when it comes to filling that $600 tier.

I'm sure they'll struggle to find people willing.

[Gushawk]

There are quite a few seats. Another year like last and they will.

[L. Wade Childress]

doesnt seem like a big difference to me

[CUIHAWK]

They left off Tavern Hawk.

[Jimmie Dimmick]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

There are quite a few seats. Another year like last and they will.

gonna go ahead and disagree with you on that

[AZmess]

Gus has a way inflated view of how bad things are. I get it he isn't some fan that's just happy to be there (ie Cubs fans) but he's the minority.

And its not even close

[bigazzturkeylegs]

Originally Posted by AZmess

Not really.

-Dead last in Director's Cup
-Still paying Lickliter
-Ferentz extension

It should be, but it's probably not.

[DGHawk]

Anyone that does not think things could turn ugly with a few more seasons like last season does not remember what happened with basketball. I don't think football would ever end up where 10-20,000 people are going to games, but I could see a dip to 55-60k per game. lose 10k per game and the university loses just shy of $4 million.

[Gushawk]

We may well be about to find out the Cub-like quotient the Iowa football fan base. You don't have to get too far away from 100% to start to feel it, and I think putting it at 75-80% is pretty optimistic, but that is anecdotal and maybe I disproportionately hang out with like-minded people in terms of their tolerance for spending time and money on an on-field product they know will be bad.

[L. Wade Childress]

its easy to forget hoops, a two hour event that occurs 20 times a year, half of which are mid-week.

people will never turn their back on iowa football. its become part of life in the eastern 2/3 of iowa now.

[Jimmie Dimmick]

Originally Posted by DGHawk

Anyone that does not think things could turn ugly with a few more seasons like last season does not remember what happened with basketball. I don't think football would ever end up where 10-20,000 people are going to games, but I could see a dip to 55-60k per game. lose 10k per game and the university loses just shy of $4 million.

few more? Sure. There will be attrition. I still think the middles will be full.

Gus said one year. No fricken way will they struggle to sell the middles after 1 more shitty year.

[L. Wade Childress]

oh no, the directors cup!!! a corporate sponsored made-up measurement of things no one except stanford fans and ISU fans care about!!!!

[Jimmie Dimmick]

Originally Posted by L. Wade Childress

its easy to forget hoops, a two hour event that occurs 20 times a year, half of which are mid-week.

people will never turn their back on iowa football. its become part of life in the eastern 2/3 of iowa now.

1/4 of the 25 people that show up to every game at our tailgate come from Minneapolis

[bigazzturkeylegs]

Originally Posted by L. Wade Childress

oh no, the directors cup!!! a corporate sponsored made-up measurement of things no one except stanford fans and ISU fans care about!!!!

The Lick hiring and KF extension are the bigger issues.

[AZmess]

Originally Posted by bigazzturkeylegs

The Lick hiring and KF extension are the bigger issues.

Lol

He fucked up in the hiring of lickliter no doubt about it. I don't think he should be vilified the rest of his caree for it.

[DGHawk]

Originally Posted by AZmess

Lol

He fucked up in the hiring of lickliter no doubt about it. I don't think he should be vilified the rest of his caree for it.

How about the horrible KF extension?

[PipeDaddy]

Originally Posted by L. Wade Childress

its easy to forget hoops, a two hour event that occurs 20 times a year, half of which are mid-week.

people will never turn their back on iowa football. its become part of life in the eastern 2/3 of iowa now.

As I've said in other threads related to this topic, the Corridor growth is a boon for Iowa Football. Frankly, it doesn't matter how well the team performs nor how much they charge. They will continue to sell out.

For this reason, it really doesn't matter how well KF performs either. He's here until he wants to leave.

And before I get jumped, understand that the above is a bit of overstatement. 5-7 to 7-5 range will be acceptable to keep the status quo. When you start talking 4-8 or 3-9 then there might be an effect. But anything near .500 won't result in a change.

[DGHawk]

Originally Posted by PipeDaddy

As I've said in other threads related to this topic, the Corridor growth is a boon for Iowa Football. Frankly, it doesn't matter how well the team performs nor how much they charge. They will continue to sell out.

For this reason, it really doesn't matter how well KF performs either. He's here until he wants to leave.

And before I get jumped, understand that the above is a bit of overstatement. 5-7 to 7-5 range will be acceptable to keep the status quo. When you start talking 4-8 or 3-9 then there might be an effect. But anything near .500 won't result in a change.

For many fans this is the case. However, there is a minority that will look at this and say for the money it costs, the time it takes, etc., it is just not worth it for the tickets. There are others that will still come to tailgate but not buy tickets anymore to see an inferior product. That minority may only result in 5-10k dip in average attendance, but such a dip is worth millions.

For the sake of argument though, lets say that you and L Wade are right and that Iowa football is product that will survive regardless of record. This begs the question of why you would pay a coach $4 million a year if the fans don't really give a shit about the results on the field. The powers that be know that what you argue is not reality, which is why they were desperate to keep KF tied up for so long.

To say that Iowa football is a product that will survive shitty seasons is ridiculous.

[AZmess]

Originally Posted by DGHawk

How about the horrible KF extension?

I don't have a problem with that at all bc I can't envision not wanting KF to be the football coach.

[bigazzturkeylegs]

Originally Posted by DGHawk

To say that Iowa football is a product that will survive shitty seasons is ridiculous.

With fans like this...

Originally Posted by AZmess

I don't have a problem with that at all bc I can't envision not wanting KF to be the football coach.

[cloudhawk]

What is kinnick society gold giving me that i didnt get with kinnick society.

Thats what i want to know

[AZmess]

Dinner with Barta and access to Feller club room?

[Crash Davis]

Originally Posted by cloudhawk

What is kinnick society gold giving me that i didnt get with kinnick society.

Thats what i want to know

[L. Wade Childress]

i will address these complaints separately.

Lick was a bad fit. but was it really a bad hire? who would you have chosen at the time after 5 or 6 people (off the top of my head- altman, crean, gregory, stallings, kruger) had already turned you down? someone like rob jeter?

you think the KF contract is bad. fine. In order to think that way, you must also think that KF should be fired sometime between yesterday and 2 years from now. i, along with many other people, think he has earned more than that. its not a bad contract until it keeps us from firing him, and we are NO WHERE near that point.

[Gushawk]

1. Pipe is wrong if he thinks KF's fate is materially different under a consistent 5-7 scenario vs. a consistent 3-9 scenario. Consistent losing seasons are consistent losing seasons. The bar isn't high, but it's above that.

2. DG is in my estimation correct. Less than capacity demand will result, in the relative near term, if the last two seasons become the norm. And the financial impact of that is significant. Again, this is just a difference of opinion with AZ and Jimmie over how "Cubby" Iowa football fans actually are...and I honestly hope we never find out who's right.

[douglasbader]

How do you know anyone turned Iowa down? What kind of HARD EVIDENCE do you have other than some speculation on message boards?????

[L. Wade Childress]

Originally Posted by douglasbader

How do you know anyone turned Iowa down? What kind of HARD EVIDENCE do you have other than some speculation on message boards?????

my college roommate works at a place called DHR International.

[L. Wade Childress]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

1. Pipe is wrong if he thinks KF's fate is materially different under a consistent 5-7 scenario vs. a consistent 3-9 scenario. Consistent losing seasons are consistent losing seasons. The bar isn't high, but it's above that.

2. DG is in my estimation correct. Less than capacity demand will result, in the relative near term, if the last two seasons become the norm. And the financial impact of that is significant. Again, this is just a difference of opinion with AZ and Jimmie over how "Cubby" Iowa football fans actually are...and I honestly hope we never find out who's right.

i didnt mean to suggest that iowans will sell out for 4-8 every year.

i hope that you didnt mean to suggest that 4-8 every year could actually happen.

[Gushawk]

If the belief becomes that .500ish seasons are the most that can be expected, and that losing seasons will be no longer be a surprising aberration, then I think that will be enough to prevent Iowans from continuing to sell out for Iowa football.

I think the program teeters on the brink of that being its reality unless and until major changes occur.

[JayHawki]

Originally Posted by L. Wade Childress

my college roommate works at a place called DHR International.

Why not?

[L. Wade Childress]

LOL ok that was a reach

[DoeyHawk]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

If the belief becomes that .500ish seasons are the most that can be expected, and that losing seasons will be no longer be a surprising aberration, then I think that will be enough to prevent Iowans from continuing to sell out for Iowa football.

I think the program teeters on the brink of that being its reality unless and until major changes occur.

It's almost like some of these assholes forgot about the late 90s/early 2000s.

[Jimmie Dimmick]

selling out and selling seats with $600 donations attached are two different things

since we're moving the goalposts; no I do not think that Kinnick will be sold out every game even next season. Another 4-8 campaign and they may only sell out for ISU, OSU and Nebbie.

The $600 seats will be full for some time to come.

[PipeDaddy]

Originally Posted by DGHawk

For many fans this is the case. However, there is a minority that will look at this and say for the money it costs, the time it takes, etc., it is just not worth it for the tickets. There are others that will still come to tailgate but not buy tickets anymore to see an inferior product. That minority may only result in 5-10k dip in average attendance, but such a dip is worth millions.

For the sake of argument though, lets say that you and L Wade are right and that Iowa football is product that will survive regardless of record. This begs the question of why you would pay a coach $4 million a year if the fans don't really give a shit about the results on the field. The powers that be know that what you argue is not reality, which is why they were desperate to keep KF tied up for so long.

To say that Iowa football is a product that will survive shitty seasons is ridiculous.

It will survive .500 type seasons for the foreseeable future. I consider those to be shitty.

[Jimmie Dimmick]

Originally Posted by DoeyHawk

It's almost like some of these assholes forgot about the late 90s/early 2000s.

I had season tickets throughout that time frame.

Did you?

There were rare sellouts. But there weren't alot of empty seats. Especially between the 30's.

[roseboundhawk]

Originally Posted by Jimmie Dimmick

selling out and selling seats with $600 donations attached are two different things

since we're moving the goalposts; no I do not think that Kinnick will be sold out every game even next season. Another 4-8 campaign and they may only sell out for ISU, OSU and Nebbie.

The $600 seats will be full for some time to come.

They didn't even sell out the Nebraska game last year.

[PipeDaddy]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

1. Pipe is wrong if he thinks KF's fate is materially different under a consistent 5-7 scenario vs. a consistent 3-9 scenario. Consistent losing seasons are consistent losing seasons. The bar isn't high, but it's above that.

2. DG is in my estimation correct. Less than capacity demand will result, in the relative near term, if the last two seasons become the norm. And the financial impact of that is significant. Again, this is just a difference of opinion with AZ and Jimmie over how "Cubby" Iowa football fans actually are...and I honestly hope we never find out who's right.

I think the BTN has mitigated a 5-10k ticket loss to some extent. I'm not saying that the AD wouldn't make a change. But it definitely will make him a lot slower to make that change.

I honestly believe that Iowa could go 6-6 the next three seasons and KF wouldn't be fired.

[PipeDaddy]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

If the belief becomes that .500ish seasons are the most that can be expected, and that losing seasons will be no longer be a surprising aberration, then I think that will be enough to prevent Iowans from continuing to sell out for Iowa football.

I think the program teeters on the brink of that being its reality unless and until major changes occur.

I agree. But we have no indication from the athletic administration that they think so or accepts that reality. Of course... it's not like they can come out and publicly say or do much. So it's possible that they get it. I just don't feel confident that they do. They aren't exactly savvy with how they have structured KF's contract.

[HiawathaHawk]

Originally Posted by L. Wade Childress

i will address these complaints separately.

Lick was a bad fit. but was it really a bad hire? who would you have chosen at the time after 5 or 6 people (off the top of my head- altman, crean, gregory, stallings, kruger) had already turned you down? someone like rob jeter?

Altman didn't turn it down, did he? I thought that was a lack of interest on Barta's part.

[Gushawk]

Originally Posted by PipeDaddy

I agree. But we have no indication from the athletic administration that they think so or accepts that reality. Of course... it's not like they can come out and publicly say or do much. So it's possible that they get it. I just don't feel confident that they do. They aren't exactly savvy with how they have structured KF's contract.

If next year is another bad/losing one, one would have to be completely myopic to deny that was, in fact, the program's reality.

[Gushawk]

Originally Posted by PipeDaddy

I honestly believe that Iowa could go 6-6 the next three seasons and KF wouldn't be fired.

Hell, I think Barta would happily sign up for that deal today.

[Kotz]

[L. Wade Childress]

Originally Posted by HiawathaHawk

Altman didn't turn it down, did he? I thought that was a lack of interest on Barta's part.

as far i know, yes. i WAS actually told that by one of his former players.

[L. Wade Childress]

we didnt sell out the nebraska game because they released tickets in the student section late.