Predict 5-6 players who won't be on the team in August 2013

[douglasbader]

Looks like Iowa is going to sign 21 or 22 players this year along with Weisman, Perry and Malloy getting scholarships as well. This puts Iowa at 90+ scholarship players after signing day.

Given that Iowa has publicly stated that all scholarships are 4 year guarantees, which players will be forced out, transfer, get kicked off, rape a girl or fail out of school by the start of camp in August? Gotta choose at least 5 and must be within reason, so no choosing Tanner Miller .

Here is who I would like to see:

Jake Reisen (Graduate, not invited to camp)
Don Shumpert (Sucks, Transfers)
Nolan MacMillan (Medical)
Drew Clark (Graduate, not invited to camp)
Johnny Mullings (Sucks, Goes back to Australia)

Here is what I think might happen:

Brad Rogers (Medical)
Jim Poggi (Medical)
Torrey Campbell (Transfers)
Jake Rudock (Transfers)
Anthony Morgan (Transfers)
Jacob Hillyer (Transfers)

[Hawk_Kegmasters]

I'm shocked Rudock hasn't transferred already. If he thinks he's going to get a fair shot next year after the debacle this year, he's out of his mind. That Florida boy must really love Iowa women if he's stickin' around.

[Lime]

Nolan MacMillan graduates and turns pro in Canada where he was apparently a decent prospect.

http://www.tsn.ca/cfl/feature/?id=82904

[CraigTNelson]

Reisen, I know for a fact.
Poggi
Anthony Morgan <---who the fuck is that anyway
Clark
Mullings

[HawkLax6]

Originally Posted by CraigTNelson

Anthony Morgan <---who the fuck is that anyway

I think he is listed as Anthony Gair on the roster. A safety from Texas.

[CraigTNelson]

Originally Posted by HawkLax6

I think he is listed as Anthony Gair on the roster. A safety from Texas.

[valp0guy]

Sedrick Shaw
Tim Dwight
Jared Devries
Brad Banks
Chad Greenway

[Harlan]

Originally Posted by Hawk_Kegmasters

I'm shocked Rudock hasn't transferred already. If he thinks he's going to get a fair shot next year after the debacle this year, he's out of his mind. That Florida boy must really love Iowa women if he's stickin' around.

Please elaborate.

[Match34]

I'm not sure I could name 5-6 players who will be on the team in August 2013.

[hawkeyealum]

Im not sure I could name 5-6 players I want on the team.

[DoeyHawk]

There has to be at least 1-2 productive running backs on the list. It's an Iowa tradition.

[Hawk_Kegmasters]

Originally Posted by Harlan

Please elaborate.

Simply that they didn't give him a single snap for a team that won 4 games with a lame duck QB.

[AZmess]

Wouldn't rudock have transferred by now?

[AZmess]

Originally Posted by Hawk_Kegmasters

Simply that they didn't give him a single snap for a team that won 4 games with a lame duck QB.

Please tell me you can see how this camp is completely different than last year.

[Gushawk]

Originally Posted by AZmess

Wouldn't rudock have transferred by now?

You'd think so. Like Kirk, he's comfortable, it seems.

[douglasbader]

Originally Posted by AZmess

Wouldn't rudock have transferred by now?

No. I am sure he is hanging on the fact that he can go into Spring Camp and win the job despite Ferentz and Davis treating him like a leper last year.

My guess is once he either gets beat out or isn't given a clear indication that he will be the leader for the starting position that he may decide to head closer to home.

I think it might be this way with quite a few guys after Spring. Not going to be surprised to see some of the younger guys who are quite a way from home end up transferring. My guess is the Florida and Texas players would be the first to go.

[RecreationalGynecologist]

Shumpert was the only WR that could get open..He just couldn't hold onto the ball

Hillyer got some playing time last year along with Tevaun Smith

Not sure why anyone thinks Rudock will transfer prior to the season..It's a wide open race for the #1 spot this fall.


Clark
Reisen
Poggi (medical hardship) I think he already has

[AZmess]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

You'd think so. Like Kirk, he's comfortable, it seems.

Dude the QB position is wide open. Why would he leave now?

Plus you all way oversimplify this whole playing time/transfer thing. You give no credit to them being good teammates. You need capable back ups.

[Gushawk]

I've heard from a quasi-inside (to player not the program) source that Sokol is very confident he will win the job, FWIW. Part of me thought nothing of it (of course he thinks that), but from a logical standpoint it seems like the most obvious/reasonable interpretation of available clues. If it's true, I hope he's a gritty little overachiever.

[Gushawk]

Originally Posted by AZmess

Dude the QB position is wide open.

Moreso to Sokol and Beathard than Rudock, most likely.

[AZmess]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

Moreso to Sokol and Beathard than Rudock, most likely.

You don't know that. You're using last years QB situation as some sort of an indictment against rudok's ability.

[DoeyHawk]

Rudock is in a tough spot.

He's already redshirted so his transfer options are somewhat limited in terms of maximizing eligibility. As the back up last year, he has an opportunity to win the starting job.

The problem Ferentz flat out said publicly that he isn't ready. Considering how shitty JVB was, even the most optimistic of people would have some doubt as to his future as the starting QB.

[L. Wade Childress]

keggy has to be trolling the past few days

rudock came to iowa because he wants to be a doctor first and play football second. hes a pretty decent QB prospect but he could get passed over by walk-on converted QB Bobby Bailtosser and he wont be leaving.

I am not sure why morgan was on that list either, but i question most of what doug posts, so whatever. he is in line for lots of PT this year especially if Lile isnt 100% for spring and he get those reps. he was a nice prospect who just needed more weight.

reisen, mullings, clark (if he doesnt toe the line) are probably done. poggi, rogers,and Macmillian are good guesses for medicals as well.

my random picks are someone like laron taylor or mo fleming. to be honest, we already purged most of the 2009 class so there isnt much dead weight left.

[Gushawk]

Originally Posted by AZmess

You don't know that. You're using last years QB situation as some sort of an indictment against rudok's ability.

It's certainly an indictment of something, and at minimum KF/GD's collective view of Rudock's ability. The only possibilities are that they are wrong or he sucks, and neither would suggest he's got a particularly good shot to win the job.

[AZmess]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

It's certainly an indictment of something, and at minimum KF/GD's collective view of Rudock's ability. The only possibilities are that they are wrong or he sucks, and neither would suggest he's got a particularly good shot to win the job.

So we aren't using what KF said all year that they felt JVB gave them the best chance to win?

[douglasbader]

Originally Posted by L. Wade Childress

keggy has to be trolling the past few days

rudock came to iowa because he wants to be a doctor first and play football second. hes a pretty decent QB prospect but he could get passed over by walk-on converted QB Bobby Bailtosser and he wont be leaving.

I am not sure why morgan was on that list either, but i question most of what doug posts, so whatever. he is in line for lots of PT this year especially if Lile isnt 100% for spring and he get those reps. he was a nice prospect who just needed more weight.

reisen, mullings, clark (if he doesnt toe the line) are probably done. poggi, rogers,and Macmillian are good guesses for medicals as well.

my random picks are someone like laron taylor or mo fleming. to be honest, we already purged most of the 2009 class so there isnt much dead weight left.

Except that you had Vandenberg telling everyone that Rudock has already had to change his school plans because of Football.

Morgan is on that list because he isn't really in line for lots of playing time and is from Texas. He is going to likely be behind a ton of guys. Draper, Buford, Law, Miller, Lowery, Lomax, Lowdermilk, Lile, and competing with Flemming, Warfield and Rucker.

Unless he turns out to be pretty good, he might get buried on the depth chart.

[L. Wade Childress]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

It's certainly an indictment of something, and at minimum KF/GD's collective view of Rudock's ability. The only possibilities are that they are wrong or he sucks, and neither would suggest he's got a particularly good shot to win the job.

its an indictment of nothing more than rudocks ability to put on weight, and keep it on. dude was gonna killed out there. he cant weigh more than 180.

[L. Wade Childress]

Originally Posted by douglasbader

Except that you had Vandenberg telling everyone that Rudock has already had to change his school plans because of Football.

Morgan is on that list because he isn't really in line for lots of playing time and is from Texas. He is going to likely be behind a ton of guys. Draper, Buford, Law, Miller, Lowery, Lomax, Lowdermilk, Lile, and competing with Flemming, Warfield and Rucker.

Unless he turns out to be pretty good, he might get buried on the depth chart.

doug, what the fuck. we already argued this.

he switched his major. who gives a fuck, he is still pre-med. he probably switched from chem to biology or something.

morgan is a safety. in that post, you listed 7 cornerbacks and 4 safeties, 2 of which are JOHNNY FUCKING LOWDERMILK AND TANNER MILLER and another thats coming off major surgery.

[Gushawk]

There are a good number of skinny QBs in football. I hope Rudock is the second coming of Chuck Long mixed with Matt Rodgers, but from a signaling perspective I think that last year says something about the likelihood his ever starting at Iowa, and it isn't positive.

[Gushawk]

Johnny effing Lowdermilk made me laugh.

[Gushawk]

I think Fleming is a good guess...he seems to think quite a lot of himself he'll have went from tweeting about getting reps at WR as a true freshman to buried as the 5th or 6th corner on a youngish depth chart and not even getting snaps as a nickel/dime back.

[douglasbader]

Originally Posted by L. Wade Childress

doug, what the fuck. we already argued this.

he switched his major. who gives a fuck, he is still pre-med. he probably switched from chem to biology or something.

morgan is a safety. in that post, you listed 7 cornerbacks and 4 safeties, 2 of which are JOHNNY FUCKING LOWDERMILK AND TANNER MILLER and another thats coming off major surgery.

Last time I checked you can easily go to another school, get your undergrad and then come back to Iowa to be a Doctor.

How fucking stupid are you to list Johnny Lowdermilk and Tanner Miller as players that Redshirt Freshman Anthony Morgan/Gair will compete for playing time with when you couldn't even get them off the field last year.

[AZmess]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

There are a good number of skinny QBs in football. I hope Rudock is the second coming of Chuck Long mixed with Matt Rodgers, but from a signaling perspective I think that last year says something about the likelihood his ever starting at Iowa, and it isn't positive.

Then great. Means we have some good healthy competition at that position and quality depth.

[Hawkeye_Pierce]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

I think Fleming is a good guess...he seems to think quite a lot of himself he'll have went from tweeting about getting reps at WR as a true freshman to buried as the 5th or 6th corner on a youngish depth chart and not even getting snaps as a nickel/dime back.

Great. If Fleming leaves it would only add fuel to the retarded fire for the "4-stars are overrated busts; give me 1-stars that want to be at Iowa" crowd.

[Gushawk]

Based on his HS film, Fleming seems like a good fit, if there is such a thing, as a WR in the GDGD offense. I do not understand why they switched him to a position at which there is decent depth and talent, and do not think it bodes well for him getting on the field early.

[douglasbader]

I doubt Flemming is leaving when they have him as the main host for many of the recruits coming in.

[OlePeep]

Originally Posted by AZmess

So we aren't using what KF said all year that they felt JVB gave them the best chance to win?

Does it mean nothing to you that we were the only team in Big Boy CFB to have 1 QB take every snap? And that QB was in the bottom 10 of all QBs in said BBCFB? As I recall, it was one of the worst seasons by a CFB QB in over 10 years w/ regard to TDs/Attempts. On a 4-8 team. Kid couldn't get in a game. No matter what the score.

KF was at the extreme margins on this issue, so, no, I don't give a fuck what he said about it. He has zero faith in Rudock, and imo Rudock has no shot to win that spot.

[DGHawk]

I don't think we can read too much into a kid not playing behind someone that absolutely blows. For example, Bradley Fletcher spent years on the bench behind Adam Shada. This is what they do. The coaches can be fucking retards.

[ChipHilton]

Think I read that Gair looked rather good last fall.

Poggi was healthy last fall. Might be tough to get rid of, unless he wants to transfer down and play two years. Gotta keep daddy Biff happy if they want to recruit the area.

Alston and Collins should go if they want to play, though Alston could possibly start for a year if Travis Perry or Mason Plewa can't beat him out. Collins was a pretty good special teamer, so I hope he'll stay around and compete with Cole Fisher at Will.

Laron Taylor looked like a really questionable sign in '12, but he did redshirt.

Two receivers would seem likely. Maybe a Mabin, who looked Michael Jackson skinny. Shumpert might as well stay for one more year and get the sheepskin. (Perfect solution is to quit football immediately and run the 400 for the track team for 2 years- like Calvin Davis should have done.)

The timing could be right for Lowdermilk to transfer down if nothing good happens for him in the spring.

[Gushawk]

Originally Posted by OlePeep

Does it mean nothing to you that we were the only team in Big Boy CFB to have 1 QB take every snap? And that QB was in the bottom 10 of all QBs in said BBCFB? As I recall, it was one of the worst seasons by a CFB QB in over 10 years w/ regard to TDs/Attempts. On a 4-8 team. Kid couldn't get in a game. No matter what the score.

KF was at the extreme margins on this issue, so, no, I don't give a fuck what he said about it. He has zero faith in Rudock, and imo Rudock has no shot to win that spot.

That's the thing. There's no way KF could have thought JVB gave them the best chance to win without also thinking Rudock really effing blew goats.

[nolookpass]

Originally Posted by DGHawk

I don't think we can read too much into a kid not playing behind someone that absolutely blows. For example, Bradley Fletcher spent years on the bench behind Adam Shada. This is what they do. The coaches can be fucking retards.

we've been assured for years that the best players always play.

[DGHawk]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

That's the thing. There's no way KF could have thought JVB gave them the best chance to win without also thinking Rudock really effing blew goats.

See Stanzi, Ricky.

See also Christense, Jake.

See also Kirk Ferentz is a dumb fuck.

[Gushawk]

All that tells me is that Kirk must have thought Rudock was substantially worse than sophomore Stanzi, as he was starting by the time Big Ten play rolled around and JVB was as abysmal as JC. Well, that and that KF is a huge DF.

My guess - Rudock won't start or if he does it means we're up shit creek and he'll be the best of some brutal options.

[AZmess]

Gus again with all due respect of course that's your guess.

[Hawk4Life94]

I honestly don't think Rudock will take a single snap as a Hawkeye.

Just my gut feeling.

[AZmess]

Originally Posted by Hawk4Life94

I honestly don't think Rudock will take a single snap as a Hawkeye.

Just my gut feeling.

Maybe. Maybe I'm just wishy-washy and afraid to talk in absolutes. Maybe I invent reasons to make things plausible. I don't know. Guess that's just how my mind works.

I think he's our starter Day 1 next year. You heard it here first.

[Hawk4Life94]

Originally Posted by AZmess

Maybe. Maybe I'm just wishy-washy and afraid to talk in absolutes. Maybe I invent reasons to make things plausible. I don't know. Guess that's just how my mind works.

I think he's our starter Day 1 next year. You heard it here first.

What would you like to wager on that?

[AZmess]

Originally Posted by Hawk4Life94

What would you like to wager on that?

6-pack of Zima.

[Kerky]

What was Poggi's medical issue(s)? Is he healthy now or not?

[Hawk4Life94]

Originally Posted by AZmess

6-pack of Zima.

With or without Jolly Ranchers?