Keep or fire Kirk?

[AZmess]

If you were Barta for a day, what would you do?

[Costanza]

Keep, mostly because I wouldnt be for eating that contract or buying him out.

[Kamala]

I would keep him because of the financial hit of firing him. However, I may fire his assistants and perhaps he would quit.

Gary Barta will not do that though, because Barta wants Kirk there.

[valp0guy]

Originally Posted by Kamala

I would keep him because of the financial hit of firing him. However, I may fire his assistants and perhaps he would quit.

This.

2/3 of the assistants are cleaning their offices. Brian included.

[Gushawk]

Keep with "you fire him or I will" ultimatum regarding Davis at minimum. Don't love Parker either, but I don't feel his unit is underperforming quite badly enough for ultimatum this year. Maybe next.

[Verbal]

I know it doesn't answer the question asked, but the best case scenario is that he leaves for some type of NFL job of his own volition. Things suck right now and it doesn't look good going forward, but on the other hand, Kirk has done some great things here and I don't want his tenure to end with a firing. It wouldn't be right. We ought to be having regular Kirk Ferentz appreciation days at Kinnick in the 2020's to commemorate anniversaries of his great teams, and that won't be happening if he's fired.

Just wait and hope that he gets the opportunity to try his hand at Sundays one more time and it's an opportunity he can't refuse. It'd be the best thing for everybody, and I hope it happens sooner than later.

[Monster]

Originally Posted by Verbal

I know it doesn't answer the question asked, but the best case scenario is that he leaves for some type of NFL job of his own volition. Things suck right now and it doesn't look good going forward, but on the other hand, Kirk has done some great things here and I don't want his tenure to end with a firing. It wouldn't be right. We ought to be having regular Kirk Ferentz appreciation days at Kinnick in the 2020's to commemorate anniversaries of his great teams, and that won't be happening if he's fired.

Just wait and hope that he gets the opportunity to try his hand at Sundays one more time and it's an opportunity he can't refuse. It'd be the best thing for everybody, and I hope it happens sooner than later.

Never thought I'd say this, but I agree.

[jabberja]

Barta should REALLY REALLY encourage KF to take an NFL job. Let's hope that NFL people are still that stupid.

[Gushawk]

Originally Posted by Monster

Never thought I'd say this, but I agree.

No way an NFL team hires him as head honcho now. Total pipe dream.

[Soda Popinski]

He's a real dumbfuck, but firing him would be dumber.

[StinkyMcFadden]

Originally Posted by Monster

Never thought I'd say this, but I agree.

Kirk isn't getting an NFL job.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

No way an NFL team hires him as head honcho now. Total pipe dream.

I am not an NFL guy, but it seems from my perspective that they use an entirely different type of analysis when hiring coaches. Consistent success at the college level does not appear to be a prerequisite.

[Monster]

I never said what type of job.

And stink, don't be stupid. Of course he could.

[Lefty]

Originally Posted by Kamala

I would keep him because of the financial hit of firing him. However, I may fire his assistants and perhaps he would quit.

Gary Barta will not do that though, because Barta wants Kirk there.

I agree with this. GdGD has to go.

[jabberja]

Originally Posted by Verbal

I am not an NFL guy, but it seems from my perspective that they use an entirely different type of analysis when hiring coaches. Consistent success at the college level does not appear to be a prerequisite.

Yep. How many jobs has Chan Gailey had?

[StinkyMcFadden]

Kirk is almost 60 and doesn't understand how time works.

[Verbal]

If Greg Schiano can get a head coaching job in the league, and half of these retread morons can continuously be brought back, then Kirk certainly can too. Seriously, google "list of current NFL head coaches". It's a veritable Who's Who of morons.

[StinkyMcFadden]

Originally Posted by Monster

I never said what type of job.

And stink, don't be stupid. Of course he could.

As a head coach?

[jabberja]

KC job will be opening back up, right?

[StinkyMcFadden]

LOL at the thought of Kirk as an NFL coach.

I'd pay to see the press conferences after a drubbing.

[jabberja]

Originally Posted by StinkyMcFadden

LOL at the thought of Kirk as an NFL coach.

I'd pay to see the press conferences after a drubbing.

He knows what he's doing, Stinky. Certainly. Don't question him.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by StinkyMcFadden

LOL at the thought of Kirk as an NFL coach.

I'd pay to see the press conferences after a drubbing.

For the record, I fully agree with you on his prospective performance. I'm talking about getting hired. I have little doubt he could get a job.

[jabberja]

Originally Posted by Verbal

For the record, I fully agree with you on his prospective performance. I'm talking about getting hired. I have little doubt he could get a job.

It's very sad, but probably true.

[Gushawk]

Originally Posted by Verbal

For the record, I fully agree with you on his prospective performance. I'm talking about getting hired. I have little doubt he could get a job.

Just don't see it. Recent association with success is generally required.

[StinkyMcFadden]

I think that an NFL coach has to be a detail freak who is willing to kill himself and demand his assistants kill themselves as well.

Kirk can't stomach the thought of asking his OC and DC to actually recruit.

Kirk would be an awful NFL coach. Just terrible.

He has no fire. You don't take a burned out college coach who's just going through the same motions he has for 14 years, despite it not working, and hire him to be an NFL coach.

[nolookpass]

he could get an nfl gig, just not as a head coach. You cant fire him. make him fire a couple assistants and maybe he quits.

hes the poster child of 'loyal to a fault."

[jabberja]

I suppose that it's decent, but is this an NFL resume?

2007 Rutgers 8–5 3–4 T–5th W International
2008 Rutgers 8–5 5–2 T–2nd W Papajohns.com
2009 Rutgers 9–4 3–4 T–4th W St. Petersburg
2010 Rutgers 4–8 1–6 8th
2011 Rutgers 9–4 4–3 T–4th W Pinstripe

[Gushawk]

Originally Posted by jabberja

I suppose that it's decent, but is this an NFL resume?

Given what it was before he got there, maybe.

I also don't think he'll last.

Speaking of TB, I'd take Raheem Morris.

[StinkyMcFadden]

Originally Posted by jabberja

I suppose that it's decent, but is this an NFL resume?

Probably helps that he was 44 or so.

Kirk's pushing 60 and doesn't understand time.

[jabberja]

Originally Posted by Gushawk

Given what it was before he got there, maybe.

I also don't think he'll last.

Speaking of TB, I'd take Raheem Morris.

Perhaps, but the pundits are also convinced that Iowa isn't a good job. Ferentz has worked miracles at Iowa, supposedly.

[StinkyMcFadden]

Originally Posted by jabberja

2011 Rutgers 9–4 4–3 T–4th W Pinstripe

He has a winning record against Iowa State.

[jabberja]

Originally Posted by StinkyMcFadden

He has a winning record against Iowa State.

Has he coached against Western Michigan?

[atemp]

Chan Gailey is an NFL Head Coach, and I think he got fired from Georgia Tech.

[L. Wade Childress]

Cam Cameron and dirk koetter dudes

[atemp]

Originally Posted by L. Wade Childress

Cam Cameron and dirk koetter dudes

Those guys call and called plays, Kirk I don't think has this background.

[L. Wade Childress]

Yeah, plays that never won football games

[jabberja]

Originally Posted by Verbal

but on the other hand, Kirk has done some great things here and I don't want his tenure to end with a firing.

This is the thinking that separates the Iowa job from every other coaching job in the USA. Iowa fans are way too nice.

[Rolo Tomassi]

If Kirk has any suspicion - and I'm guessing he does - that next year is going to be bad, then he should offer his resignation.

[hawkeyealum]

Originally Posted by Rolo Tomassi

If Kirk has any suspicion - and I'm guessing he does - that next year is going to be bad, then he should offer his resignation.

Or play rudock and hope for the best.

[Tripper Harrison]

I think that Iowa needs to spend 200% more per win, than any other school in the big 10, minus Northwestern. If I'm not mistaken, Iowa is the 2nd smallest school, and lets face it, we have shit to recruit from. Look at the size and the money difference. when Bump decided to reward Hayden, he set a new precedent. We need to keep doing that, or it will be a fall to the bottom that we may never get out of. Some may say we hit bottom, but I disagree until we are there for a few years.

[Mo T]

Originally Posted by hawkeyealum

Or play rudock and hope for the best.

won't happen

[Hawkstrat]

Originally Posted by jabberja

This is the thinking that separates the Iowa job from every other coaching job in the USA. Iowa fans are way too nice.

LOL. Yes, that kind of thinking is unique to Iowa.

[FrodoTBaggin]

The board is always more fun after embarassing losses.

[Mo T]

Originally Posted by FrodoTBaggin

The board is always more fun after embarassing losses.

There's been plenty of fun the last two seasons.

[Shawneemicks]

Originally Posted by jabberja

KC job will be opening back up, right?

I'm not a Chiefs fan, but living here I can say with certainty that Arrowhead Stadium will be burnt to the ground if Scott Pioli is retained for another year.

[hawkeyealum]

I voted fire although the prospect of a new coach scares me. I feel we could find ourselves a new lickliter

I'd rather have him change his approach and hire some coordinators that don't suck and call their own style

[Mo T]

If they paid a new coach what KF is making, they could get a great hire.

[CamelTones]

Originally Posted by Mo T

If they paid a new coach what KF is making, they could get a great hire.

I don't think they even paid Fran what Lick was making.

[Mo T]

Originally Posted by CamelTones

I don't think they even paid Fran what Lick was making.

Nor did they pay KF what HF was making.

It all depends on the direction they want to go.

Hire an unproven guy (like KF)or go after a proven guy. I think Iowa got lucky with KF, and it might not work out so well next time.

I'm not against hiring a scumbag for a coach, like Petrino.

[Kerky]

If I am Barta, I am not really thinking about attempting a buyout or scenario of "firing" Kirk...yet. However, I think he should have a heart to heart about the retention of Greg Davis.