Barry's Big 10 record was barely over 500

[Sambud]

65-60-3, Bielema's was 37-19. I guess you need to add that Bielema inherited a better program. Not trying to make a point here, just edifying.

[BBK]

Barry's career as a coach is oddly similar to Kirk's through 14 years, except for the fact that he coached Wisconsin to 3 Rose Bowls.

[Lime]

Originally Posted by BBK

Barry's career as a coach is oddly similar to Kirk's through 14 years, except for the fact that he coached Wisconsin to 3 Rose Bowls.

I harp on the Rose Bowl thing a lot, but it is interesting. Barry had three Rose Bowls (top 6 finish each time), Kirk doesn't have any but does have two Big Ten titles + another BCS berth. Four top ten finishes.

I was surprised to find out that Barry is only 66 (he's 65 but will be 66 by the bowl). He retired pretty young (he was 58 when he announced, Kirk is 57). He always looked way older.

[BBK]

Barry Alvarez (1990-2003):

Overall record was 99-67-4 (54-55-3 in the Big Ten), 3 BCS Bowls (all victories) with an 7-2 bowl record, and 5 seasons with a sub-.500 regular season record.

Kirk Ferentz (1999-2012):

Overall record is 100-74 (59-52 in the Big Ten), 2 BCS Bowls (winning 1) with a 6-4 bowl record, and 4 seasons with a sub-.500 record.

[Herky823]

BBK - who would you rather have as a coach - Barry Alvarez or Kirk Ferentz?

[BBK]

Originally Posted by Herky823

BBK - who would you rather have as a coach - Barry Alvarez or Kirk Ferentz?

Alvarez. 3 Rose Bowl wins, homes.

[douglasbader]

Originally Posted by Lime

I harp on the Rose Bowl thing a lot, but it is interesting. Barry had three Rose Bowls (top 6 finish each time), Kirk doesn't have any but does have two Big Ten titles + another BCS berth. Four top ten finishes.

I was surprised to find out that Barry is only 66 (he's 65 but will be 66 by the bowl). He retired pretty young (he was 58 when he announced, Kirk is 57). He always looked way older.

To be even more accurate, Kirk has two Big Ten titles + 2 BCS Bowls and 4 - Top 8 finishes.

[L. Wade Childress]

i know injuries happen, but Kirk was a lock for another title and probably the rose bowl until stanzi got hurt on a freak play in 2009.

that has nothing to do with coaching ability.

[Lime]

Originally Posted by L. Wade Childress

i know injuries happen, but Kirk was a lock for another title and probably the rose bowl until stanzi got hurt on a freak play in 2009.

that has nothing to do with coaching ability.

they would have earned a share of the B10 title with a win over Northwestern (assuming they still beat Minnesota), but the Rose Bowl doesn't happen without winning at OSU. Vandy wasn't the problem that game, the defense + Stross and Murray lost that game, so I'm not convinced that Iowa wins that with Stanzi unless the game largely unfolds the same way and Ferentz doesn't puss out with 45 seconds left needing just 35 yards to win.

[L. Wade Childress]

how in the FUCK can you say that losing your starting QB was not the problem in that game?

[BBK]

Originally Posted by L. Wade Childress

how in the FUCK can you say that losing your starting QB was not the problem in that game?

Because that was the only game of Vandenberg's career where he played as well as Stanzi would have played in the same situation.

[L. Wade Childress]

this is retarded.

[Shawneemicks]

Originally Posted by L. Wade Childress

i know injuries happen, but Kirk was a lock for another title and probably the rose bowl until stanzi got hurt on a freak play in 2009.

that has nothing to do with coaching ability.

LOL
I think that play is a great example of coaching ability.
The fucking TE that was supposed to block Wooten, didn't. Instead he ran a route to no where.

[CamelTones]

Originally Posted by Shawneemicks

LOL
I think that play is a great example of coaching ability.
The fucking TE that was supposed to block Wooten, didn't. Instead he ran a route to no where.

jfc

[Lime]

Originally Posted by Shawneemicks

LOL
I think that play is a great example of coaching ability.
The fucking TE that was supposed to block Wooten, didn't. Instead he ran a route to no where.

this is really fucking dumb.

[Alan Lomax]

Originally Posted by Shawneemicks

LOL
I think that play is a great example of coaching ability.
The fucking TE that was supposed to block Wooten, didn't. Instead he ran a route to no where.

Just stop fucking talking about football. You hate Iowa's coaches, it's noted, now stop typing about it.

[Bucky217]

Originally Posted by Sambud

65-60-3, Bielema's was 37-19. I guess you need to add that Bielema inherited a better program. Not trying to make a point here, just edifying.

Absolutely Bielema inherited a better program. Wisconsin was horrible in the 1970s and 1980s. I think Barry was winless his first season, won 1 or 2 games his 2nd season and then that was it. Camp Randall was no where near a sell out like it is now.

[BDay]

Originally Posted by Lime

they would have earned a share of the B10 title with a win over Northwestern (assuming they still beat Minnesota), but the Rose Bowl doesn't happen without winning at OSU. Vandy wasn't the problem that game, the defense + Stross and Murray lost that game, so I'm not convinced that Iowa wins that with Stanzi unless the game largely unfolds the same way and Ferentz doesn't puss out with 45 seconds left needing just 35 yards to win.

How does the Big Ten tie breaker work? If Iowa beats NW and still loses to OSU in '09, they finish the year 11-1 and OSU finishes the year 10-2 (losses against USC and Purdue that year), but they have the same conference record and OSU owns the head to head.

[Lime]

Originally Posted by BDay

How does the Big Ten tie breaker work? If Iowa beats NW and still loses to OSU in '09, they finish the year 11-1 and OSU finishes the year 10-2 (losses against USC and Purdue that year), but they have the same conference record and OSU owns the head to head.

they both would have been 7-1 but OSU would have head-to-head tiebreaker. overall record would be irrelevant.

[ChipHilton]

Originally Posted by Bucky217

Absolutely Bielema inherited a better program. Wisconsin was horrible in the 1970s and 1980s. I think Barry was winless his first season, won 1 or 2 games his 2nd season and then that was it. Camp Randall was no where near a sell out like it is now.

The guy that died had 'em pretty salty in the 80's. Three first round picks in '85. But, yes, Don Morton killed that program in 3 years.

Funny thing about sellouts; no one had seemed to have them in the 70s. Check out some of these attendance figures:

http://www.totalfootballstats.com/Te...88&Season=1972

[pjhawk]

Originally Posted by ChipHilton

The guy that died had 'em pretty salty in the 80's. Three first round picks in '85. But, yes, Don Morton killed that program in 3 years.

Funny thing about sellouts; no one had seemed to have them in the 70s. Check out some of these attendance figures:

http://www.totalfootballstats.com/Te...88&Season=1972

The 1981 game vs the McClain Badgers was for the Rose Bowl and could be counted as one of the many huge turning points games for the Iowa program that year. Didn't Dave Moritz or somebody twist his way down the field on a long TD pass (a la tOSU game in 83) to clinch a 17-7 win?

I can still remember the 81 game as a big deal because it was on ABC regional TV, in the days when Iowa was hardly ever on the tube.

And I think McClain was still the coach in 84 for that brutal 10-10 game at Kinnick--really set their program back when McClain died, although I'm not sure he ever would have gotten them over the hump the way Alvarez did.

Don Morton was the Frank Lauterbur of Wisky football. Guess the stadium there was only half full most of the time, hard to believe--we did have that long almost 20 yr streak where they didn't beat us. And now I''m remembering that 13-10 loss in 97 to break the streak.....grrrrrr....

[ivan_drago]

Yeah, Lime. You "really harp on the Rose Bowl thing," much like Doug "kind of gets angry sometimes."

It's a fucking stupid argument. Absolutely brutally stupid. Stop using it.

[Kerky]

Originally Posted by pjhawk

The 1981 game vs the McClain Badgers was for the Rose Bowl and could be counted as one of the many huge turning points games for the Iowa program that year. Didn't Dave Moritz or somebody twist his way down the field on a long TD pass (a la tOSU game in 83) to clinch a 17-7 win?

I can still remember the 81 game as a big deal because it was on ABC regional TV, in the days when Iowa was hardly ever on the tube.

And I think McClain was still the coach in 84 for that brutal 10-10 game at Kinnick--really set their program back when McClain died, although I'm not sure he ever would have gotten them over the hump the way Alvarez did.

Don Morton was the Frank Lauterbur of Wisky football. Guess the stadium there was only half full most of the time, hard to believe--we did have that long almost 20 yr streak where they didn't beat us. And now I''m remembering that 13-10 loss in 97 to break the streak.....grrrrrr....

Wisky was really bad there for quite awhile. Barry really was the equivalent of Hayden for them.

[ChipHilton]

Originally Posted by pjhawk

The 1981 game vs the McClain Badgers was for the Rose Bowl and could be counted as one of the many huge turning points games for the Iowa program that year. Didn't Dave Moritz or somebody twist his way down the field on a long TD pass (a la tOSU game in 83) to clinch a 17-7 win?

I can still remember the 81 game as a big deal because it was on ABC regional TV, in the days when Iowa was hardly ever on the tube.

And I think McClain was still the coach in 84 for that brutal 10-10 game at Kinnick--really set their program back when McClain died, although I'm not sure he ever would have gotten them over the hump the way Alvarez did.

Don Morton was the Frank Lauterbur of Wisky football. Guess the stadium there was only half full most of the time, hard to believe--we did have that long almost 20 yr streak where they didn't beat us. And now I''m remembering that 13-10 loss in 97 to break the streak.....grrrrrr....

For some reason, there was Rose Bowl fever in Madison that week, even though the Badgers were only 4-2 (same as OSU and Iowa) and Michigan was 5-1. They had beaten OSU, but didn't play Michigan. They must have assumed that they'd handle Iowa, who had lost 2 of their last 3, and that OSU would handle Michigan in Ann Arbor and send them to Pasadena. But the Hawks were pretty much picture perfect in the first half and then played KF ball with Roby and the defense in the 2nd half.