**(13) Ohio State vs (5) Iowa Big Ten Tournament, 3-9-23, 1:30PM, BTN**

[HawkBall23]

It was a frustrating loss, of which there have been plenty this season. But some of you people need to get it together. We got swept by two Big Ten teams less talented than OSU. Is it really a stunner that we went down today?

Not stunned. Just disappointed. Really disappointed.

Same as the past Sunday.

 

[Pinehawk]

Losing to Nebrantska, at home, with a 2 seed on the line. Followed by losing to an OSU team with a losing record, with a shot at a 20 win season and improved NCAA seeding.
Just a disappointing end to the season, and removes any confidence this team could impress in the NCAA tournament.

 

[iowa4ever20]

Iowa had all the confidence in the world last year and it led to zero wins. They have had similar flame outs as the 5 and 6 seed in BTT and then won the next game in NCAA’s. There is a major conference team or two every year who is middle of the pack, loses right away in their conference tourney and then makes a run. It has just never been Iowa.

 

[Will McCoy]

It was a frustrating loss, of which there have been plenty this season. But some of you people need to get it together. We got swept by two Big Ten teams less talented than OSU. Is it really a stunner that we went down today?

I’m the #1 stunna. Wut wut wut wut!

James Bond.

Jackie Chan.

That bitch (Macguyver).

 

[HiawathaHawk]

Losing to Nebrantska, at home, with a 2 seed on the line. Followed by losing to an OSU team with a losing record, with a shot at a 20 win season and improved NCAA seeding.
Just a disappointing end to the season, and removes any confidence this team could impress in the NCAA tournament.

Agreed but the confidence in the NCAA part is pretty meaningless.

2019 we lost 6 of 8, were blown out by Michigan and were a 10 seed underdog against Cincinnati in Ohio. They beat them then went to OT against 2 seed Tennessee with a few pros.
Last year we came in 12-2 and everyone’s dealing with an amazing draw and it went up in smoke.

We know what this team is and what they’re capable of good and bad.

 

[Revolver]

Not stunned. Just disappointed. Really disappointed.

Same as the past Sunday.

They have been a lot better than I ever expected them to be when the year started. When they lost to Eastern Illinois, I thought they were going to win minimal games in the Big Ten.

For all the issues I have with McCaffery’s in game coaching, he has done a fantastic job of coaching this season to get this team into the Dance. Being disappointed is fine and normal enough, but wanting to shitcan Fran is a bit much considering the overall.

And the people shitting on Kris are out of their minds. No, he is not his brother, but he is a really good player and we are lucky to have him. The problem has been inconsistent play from the other major contributors. Kris has been at least solid in most games this season.

 

[douglasbader]

They have been a lot better than I ever expected them to be when the year started. When they lost to Eastern Illinois, I thought they were going to win minimal games in the Big Ten.

For all the issues I have with McCaffery’s in game coaching, he has done a fantastic job of coaching this season to get this team into the Dance. Being disappointed is fine and normal enough, but wanting to shitcan Fran is a bit much considering the overall.

And the people shitting on Kris are out of their minds. No, he is not his brother, but he is a really good player and we are lucky to have him. The problem has been inconsistent play from the other major contributors. Kris has been at least solid in most games this season.

It also isn't fair to Kris to judge him too much when he is playing with a PG that can't create shit. He gets very little help.

 

[Bonner]

At least they don't boycott It's Brothers!!! when they refuse to adhere to dress codes

Holy shit man. You bring zero to the basketball forum. I’m all for making fun of others, but get a fucking clue.

 

[Talkin' Goat]

It also isn't fair to Kris to judge him too much when he is playing with a PG that can't create shit. He gets very little help.

True but Kris is generally slower and more deliberate in going to his left. Teams can double down from behind to try and steal his dribble and usually disrupt him more often than not. His wide open drive to the right today was the first one I can remember where he said fuck it and went right.

 

[ClintWalker]

Fran has flirted with having a couple of really good teams but just never got over the hump. He's a decent coach who compares favorably with his predecessor (Tom) I'm not even counting Todd. Iowa hasn't won a conference title in decades, this should tell us something.

 

[iowa4ever20]

Fran has flirted with having a couple of really good teams but just never got over the hump. He's a decent coach who compares favorably with his predecessor (Tom) I'm not even counting Todd. Iowa hasn't won a conference title in decades, this should tell us something.

Steve not count either?

 

[ddevries]

Holy shit man. You bring zero to the basketball forum. I’m all for making fun of others, but get a fucking clue.

He brings zero to any forum and annoys everyone

 

[L. Wade Childress]

The first one is an easy call, clearly (but lightly) puts pressure on a jumping rebounder and causes him to go off balance. The second one he didn't touch him, but it looked like he did because he brought his arm down hard and the guy blew the layup so bad.

shut the fuck up

 

[L. Wade Childress]

We're back at the Tom Davis dilemma. We could certainly do worse than Fran, and I don't want Gary Barta having the opportunity to do just that.

There is more potential with Fran than there was with Dr Tom IMO, but unfortunately he's a stubborn old fuck just like Kirk.

yes, look at Gary’s horrible record of head coaching decisions

 

[L. Wade Childress]

It also isn't fair to Kris to judge him too much when he is playing with a PG that can't create shit. He gets very little help.

I mean, he got the ball with an open shot to end the half, on a play designed to do exactly that, and didn’t shoot it.

 

[Uli Kunkel]

He's hired for exactly one sport that matters, and this was his first choice. 50/50 I guess, forgive me for being concerned.

 

[BBK]

shut the fuck up

 

[L. Wade Childress]

He's hired for exactly one sport that matters, and this was his first choice. 50/50 I guess, forgive me for being concerned.

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that was actually like his 7th choice

 

[Lee Beevers]

I feel like most coaches could do that

No they can’t

 

[Lee Beevers]

Fire the defensive coordinator. Hell, fire the offensive coordinator at this point.

Eat shit, faggot!!!

 

[StinkyMcFadden]

What a photo


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[26.2]

He brings zero to any forum and annoys everyone

I'm sorry I never called your sister back. But she's a fucking clinger and I'd had enough.

 

[HSP_Hawk]

I'm sorry I never called your sister back. But she's a fucking clinger and I'd had enough.

 

[Gushawk]

Fran’s system is too reliant on hot shooting and a fairly tight whistle for an NCAA run, imo. It can generate really fun moments, but that’s its ceiling. He’ll never adapt.

 

[HiawathaHawk]

Fran’s system is too reliant on hot shooting and a fairly tight whistle for an NCAA run, imo. It can generate really fun moments, but that’s its ceiling. He’ll never adapt.

Teams reliant on shooting never make runs in the tournament.

 

[Revolver]

We shouldn’t be firing any coach until Barta is gone. You want that goon hiring another coach?

 

[Thomas Wolsey]

We shouldn’t be firing any coach until Barta is gone. You want that goon hiring another coach?

No

 

[Gushawk]

I don’t think we should fire Fran, I just realize his limitations. Great evaluator of talent, poor closer against decent competition. Great offensive mind, terrible or utterly apathetic defensive mind. Cares about having skilled players, does not care about having strong players. There are far worse options out there from a fan’s perspective.

 

[Gushawk]

Teams reliant on shooting never make runs in the tournament.

not ones that suck ass on the defensive end

 

[Hawkstrat]

not ones that suck ass on the defensive end

That's an entirely different problem.

 

[Revolver]

No

I always knew you to be a wise man, Wolsey.

 

[Rolo Tomassi]

Great scene. They immediately transition from shock and anger at Pesci into cover-up mode without missing a beat.

 

[Gushawk]

That's an entirely different problem.

I don’t think so … it’s basically the enitire reason we are overly reliant on hot shooting and a tight whistle

 

[Thomas Wolsey]

I always knew you to be a wise man, Wolsey.

Just trying to answer a valid question to the best of my abilities.

 

[HiawathaHawk]

not ones that suck ass on the defensive end

That’s not true either. Teams of all shapes and sizes make runs if we’re qualifying a run as S16-E8. Teams reliant on shooting that get hot make runs yearly. It’s what most Cinderella teams are made of.

This is long but it breaks down how balanced teams compare to teams that are good on one end/bad on the other and then great on one end/terrible on the other.

 

[CleteyColgate]

We shouldn’t be firing any coach until Barta is gone. You want that goon hiring another coach?

For the most part, most of Iowa's programs have good coaching at the top.

 

[Hawkstrat]

That’s not true either. Teams of all shapes and sizes make runs if we’re qualifying a run as S16-E8. Teams reliant on shooting that get hot make runs yearly. It’s what most Cinderella teams are made of.

This is long but it breaks down how balanced teams compare to teams that are good on one end/bad on the other and then great on one end/terrible on the other.

I don't have time to read this now, but to some extent, who cares? Completely conceding that Iowa can go on a run (of course they can, Iowa was an open Moss 3 away from the Sweet 16), being better on defense would make them a better team.

Iowa don't want to argue about what is merely possible, I want the teams I cheer for to do the relatively easy things that will make them better. Iowa football should have a top 75 offense even during a down year, Iowa basketball should do the same on defense. I'm not asking for a huge philosophical shift out of Fran or Kirk. I don't buy L.Wade's argument that any focus on defense, even a little bit, will drastically hurt the offense.

 

[Revolver]

For the most part, most of Iowa's programs have good coaching at the top.

Gary has made two significant hires at Iowa. One was arguably the worst hire in the history of the athletic department.

 

[KitKatApples]

I don't have time to read this now, but to some extent, who cares? Completely conceding that Iowa can go on a run (of course they can, Iowa was an open Moss 3 away from the Sweet 16), being better on defense would make them a better team.

Iowa don't want to argue about what is merely possible, I want the teams I cheer for to do the relatively easy things that will make them better. Iowa football should have a top 75 offense even during a down year, Iowa basketball should do the same on defense. I'm not asking for a huge philosophical shift out of Fran or Kirk. I don't buy L.Wade's argument that any focus on defense, even a little bit, will drastically hurt the offense.

I see what you did there

 

[CleteyColgate]

Gary has made two significant hires at Iowa. One was arguably the worst hire in the history of the athletic department.

Yeah, but Jim Barnes looks like he's the real deal.

 

[6deuce]

Teams named Iowa never make runs in the tournament.

 

[CurdMan]

I don’t love Ulis but dear lord Fran you need an actual point guard on the floor. Part of the excitement we had about this team coming in to the season was that they would play fast and have upgraded athleticism at guard. Fran needs to lean in on that rather than the Conner point forward shit. If Fran somehow accidentally allows that to happen, this team can defend well enough to win a couple NCAAT games if shots fall.

 

[StinkyMcFadden]

21 minutes and zero fouls for Patrick.

That kid continues to get after it on the defensive end.

 

[Thomas Wolsey]

21 minutes and zero fouls for Patrick.

That kid continues to get after it on the defensive end.

He has narrow hips.

 

[Orestes]

Think I've never dug a hole before?

 

[Kamala]

21 minutes and zero fouls for Patrick.

That kid continues to get after it on the defensive end.

You may not know this, but the head coach is his dad so it’s really not fair to expect an honest evaluation from him.

It’s almost like a coach can’t do his job effectively when allowed to run the team as a family business.

 

[HiawathaHawk]

I don't have time to read this now, but to some extent, who cares? Completely conceding that Iowa can go on a run (of course they can, Iowa was an open Moss 3 away from the Sweet 16), being better on defense would make them a better team.

Iowa don't want to argue about what is merely possible, I want the teams I cheer for to do the relatively easy things that will make them better. Iowa football should have a top 75 offense even during a down year, Iowa basketball should do the same on defense. I'm not asking for a huge philosophical shift out of Fran or Kirk. I don't buy L.Wade's argument that any focus on defense, even a little bit, will drastically hurt the offense.

Of course I want them to be better on defense. Some of the stretches are infuriating to watch and they’d be better positioned in every regard if they got more stops.

The point wasn’t to say “who cares, roll the dice, keep doing what you’re doing” it was just a counter to what Gus was arguing.

 

[MikeyJoe]

The narrative that makes me want to put my face through my monitor is the one that states Iowa's ineptitude on defense is a natural and unavoidable consequence of how awesome they are at offense.

 

[Creed]

I don’t love Ulis but dear lord Fran you need an actual point guard on the floor. Part of the excitement we had about this team coming in to the season was that they would play fast and have upgraded athleticism at guard. Fran needs to lean in on that rather than the Conner point forward shit. If Fran somehow accidentally allows that to happen, this team can defend well enough to win a couple NCAAT games if shots fall.

Foul trouble on Connor is the

 

[FrodoTBaggin]

The narrative that makes me want to put my face through my monitor is the one that states Iowa's ineptitude on defense is a natural and unavoidable consequence of how awesome they are at offense.

It's an incredibly stupid argument made by stupid people.