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Kelly Hilpiper
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Fuck that stupid fucking zone defense.
In basketball in particular I don't think that's a particularly strong argument. Those are dominated by teams, not conferences. Is the SEC a good conference because Kentucky has had a shit ton of guys drafted and won titles, or is Kentucky just really good?A friend was arguing that the Big Ten just lacks the athletes overall and looks slower to the eye. If the NBA draft favors pure athletes over college production, then conference representation might provide a clue. I think this is a year or two old but NBA players by conference:
ACC - 83
SEC - 71
PAC 12 - 67
Big 12 -44
Big 10 - 42
Also, last BT champion was 20 years ago.
This is probably (other than recruiting) my number one coaching gripe with Fran. Sometimes it's almost like he thinks individual players fouling out is on par with losing games in terms of outcomes to avoid.I'm not a Fran hater but this is what's most frustrating about him. He just doesn't grasp the intensity or elimination basketball. He clearly goes into that zone to avoid fouls before the half because of his bizarre obsession with not just avoiding fouling out but avoiding being kinda close to fouling out.
It' doesn't fucking matter at this point, whatever is working you keep doing it and worry about fucking fouls at the end of the game. This is it. there's no games tomorrow if you fucking lose just keep everyone thats playing well in and when you know the zone doesn't work stop fucking around with it.
I don't get pissed when mediocre Iowa loses in the NCAA tourney. I get pissed when the best team in 30 years gets destroyed in the second round.Or maybe it's the NCAA Tournament and everyone that loses has fans that get really emotional?
This is probably as close as we ever came. Look at these fucks!!!!!!!!!!Watching them repeatedly drive/cut down a wide open lane with not a single fucking player willing or able to step in to contest or take a charge was probably the most triggered I have ever been watching an Iowa basketball game.
Watching the dunk highlights over and over last night during the other games and multiple Iowa players just standing there watching them hammer it home was infuriating.Watching them repeatedly drive/cut down a wide open lane with not a single fucking player willing or able to step in to contest or take a charge was probably the most triggered I have ever been watching an Iowa basketball game.
In stinkys defense it’s gotta get old getting beat down by kids like that.How would the world react to Stinky’s racist outburst against that poor Waukee kid yesterday?
I honestly thought 120 was in play at one point.Iowa may have given up 110 had they not slowed down with five minutes left.
That was the first play of the game. We should have all known at that point.
As usual, you demonstrate just how little you know about most everything.Way too many on here are viewing the loss yesterday as if Iowa was the only team that had a shit game and was beaten by a lower seed and that means that Iowa sucks and was overrated all year.
In case anyone forgot, the following teams are in the exact same situation....
#1 Illinois
#2 Ohio State
#3 Texas
#3 Kansas
#3 West Virginia
#4 Purdue
#4 Oklahoma State
#4 Virginia
#5 Tennessee
#2 Houston, #3 Arkansas and #5 Creighton were nearly on that list if not for a few lucky breaks.
What was worse was that in many instances, they didn't do this because they had their heads turned and didn't even see the driver. See man- see ball, does not seem to be a priority.Watching them repeatedly drive/cut down a wide open lane with not a single fucking player willing or able to step in to contest or take a charge was probably the most triggered I have ever been watching an Iowa basketball game.
Really, really perceptive, Pete.Our defense was just complete shit yesterday.
My son is 7. He’s seeing a repeat of everything I saw at his age. It’s generational ineptitude.I’ve been watching Iowa lose in the second round for nearly 25 years
The worst play in the zone yesterday was when Iowa was up 41-37 after Garzas 3 point play. They immediately give up a wide open 3 because 2 guys both sprinted at the guy on the wing with the ball. Both pointed to the guy first like ‘hey, you put in the effort.’The matchup zone was pretty effective late in the season, at least in comparison to the trash zone we were running in the first half of the year. And it was disruptive when the second unit was in during the first half of the game yesterday. But those last 2 minutes with the starters it was ineffective and it snowballed on Fran quickly.
After watching the games, I'm buying it.I’m not buying that the top two conferences indisputably all year were actually just overrated all along. And the PAC 12 which has sucked for years is actually amazing. Can’t explain the why, a lot of teams just underperformed and others came out of nowhere at the right time. Just clustered by leagues.
It's because he's not a good in game coach. He's great at developing talent but struggles with the in game X's and O's.I'm not a Fran hater but this is what's most frustrating about him. He just doesn't grasp the intensity or elimination basketball. He clearly goes into that zone to avoid fouls before the half because of his bizarre obsession with not just avoiding fouling out but avoiding being kinda close to fouling out.
It' doesn't fucking matter at this point, whatever is working you keep doing it and worry about fucking fouls at the end of the game. This is it. there's no games tomorrow if you fucking lose just keep everyone thats playing well in and when you know the zone doesn't work stop fucking around with it.
It feels like this is something people say to sound like they know what they’re talking about amongst people but never give examples of how they’re a bad Xs and Os coach.It's because he's not a good in game coach. He's great at developing talent but struggles with the in game X's and O's.
Maybe we need clarification as to whether he struggles with Xs OR Os.Is anyone making the argument that he struggles with in-game offense? If so, that’s fucking dumb.
Lots of opportunities to score when the other team is going through a layup line. Luka not included.It feels like this is something people say to sound like they know what they’re talking about amongst people but never give examples of how they’re a bad Xs and Os coach.
He went 22-9 with some slow white guys and has always had a really good offense. I think he knows what he’s doing. Does he need help on defense? Of course, but his OOB plays are always great, and he’s produced some of the highest scoring players in Iowa history out of borderline bad recruiting. Sometimes there just isn’t an adjustment that’s going to work.
So you’re okay with everything he does except for the part that makes up 50% of the game?I'm OK with everything Fran does except for his stupid foul-out of the first half theory and defensive coaching. He even seemed to figure out substitutions this year.
Whenever someone just says "bad in game coach" without specifics, I hear this:It feels like this is something people say to sound like they know what they’re talking about amongst people but never give examples of how they’re a bad Xs and Os coach.
He went 22-9 with some slow white guys and has always had a really good offense. I think he knows what he’s doing. Does he need help on defense? Of course, but his OOB plays are always great, and he’s produced some of the highest scoring players in Iowa history out of borderline bad recruiting. Sometimes there just isn’t an adjustment that’s going to work.
It wasn’t that good.Our defense was just complete shit yesterday.
Well, for starters, playing the zone was stupid. Secondly, trying to outrun Oregon wasn't exactly a great strategy.It feels like this is something people say to sound like they know what they’re talking about amongst people but never give examples of how they’re a bad Xs and Os coach.
He went 22-9 with some slow white guys and has always had a really good offense. I think he knows what he’s doing. Does he need help on defense? Of course, but his OOB plays are always great, and he’s produced some of the highest scoring players in Iowa history out of borderline bad recruiting. Sometimes there just isn’t an adjustment that’s going to work.
Running on Oregon was working. The zone that helped Iowa go from 4 up to 10 down killed Iowa's chances completely. Oregon isn't deep, and having them chase in transition was getting them into the beginnings of foul trouble.Well, for starters, playing the zone was stupid. Secondly, trying to outrun Oregon wasn't exactly a great strategy.
I don't think the defense is just "well he has a bunch of slow white guys". So do lots of teams and they don't give up 10 uncontested dunks in an NCAA game.
As for all the answers, I don't have all of them as I'm obviously not a college basketball coach. But it's pretty obvious defense has long been an issue for Fran's teams.
Yep. The zone killed our chances. I was fine trading buckets. Then as you mention, they started hitting 3s while we were missing long contested 3s. A recipe for disaster.Running on Oregon was working. The zone that helped Iowa go from 4 up to 10 down killed Iowa's chances completely. Oregon isn't deep, and having them chase in transition was getting them into the beginnings of foul trouble.
People are kind of forgetting that Oregon had a legitimately hot start helped by Iowa's awful defense, but then made some garbage shots. A banked in three and a few twos with crazy angles.
Fran put an end to the tough 2s problem by going to zone and giving wide open threes and easy backdoor cuts.
I have never been so certain that a halftime deficit would double as I was yesterday. Just defeated in a span of like 2 minutes.
Fuck.
That's how I felt too. Sometimes guys just make shots. If a post player makes three spin around fadeaways in a row, don't panic. Let him keep taking them. It absolutely felt like Iowa overreacted to Oregon hitting shots early and went to a defense that just didn't work.Running on Oregon was working. The zone that helped Iowa go from 4 up to 10 down killed Iowa's chances completely. Oregon isn't deep, and having them chase in transition was getting them into the beginnings of foul trouble.
People are kind of forgetting that Oregon had a legitimately hot start helped by Iowa's awful defense, but then made some garbage shots. A banked in three and a few twos with crazy angles.
Fran put an end to the tough 2s problem by going to zone and giving wide open threes and easy backdoor cuts.
I have never been so certain that a halftime deficit would double as I was yesterday. Just defeated in a span of like 2 minutes.
Fuck.
I watched, but was numb to the result.You guys are gluttons for punishment. I stopped watching at the 18:00 mark of the 2nd half.
Baylor has looked damn good.Gonzaga
Everyone else
I said it during chat, but the worst part about Iowa's zone is I always feel like I can see the open shot coming for about 5 seconds before it happens.Basketball 101....a team starts lighting you up from 3, go zone.
Were you standing in your houses concourse drinking beersYou guys are gluttons for punishment. I stopped watching at the 18:00 mark of the 2nd half.
It is always great when you have 3 guys guarding 2.I said it during chat, but the worst part about Iowa's zone is I always feel like I can see the open shot coming for about 5 seconds before it happens.
Like here, right at the beginning of the run:
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As soon as the dude starts running out to get the pass, it's like fuck. The dude in the corner is gonna shoot a wide open 3.