#2 Iowa vs #7 Oregon • Second Round• 11:10 • CBS

[MikeyJoe]

It is always great when you have 3 guys guarding 2.

 

[Thomas Wolsey]

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FUCK. At least we rebound well out of it.

 

[cloudhawk]

And the guy at the top is playing matador defense

 

[WCFHawkeye]

Fran is a fantastic coach considering he doesn't cheat nor have a bagman. I would like to see him do both, but he won't. So given the disadvantage he starts with, Iowa is fortunate not to be in the Big Ten cellar every year.

 

[MikeyJoe]

And the guy at the top is playing matador defense

Fuck!

 

[eclone]

Does someone have a master list of programs that cheat and don’t cheat? Because Fran’s supposed lack of cheating sure is used as a crutch around here a lot. What other programs have such a disadvantage?

 

[Lee Beevers]

Fran is a fantastic coach considering he doesn't cheat nor have a bagman. I would like to see him do both, but he won't. So given the disadvantage he starts with, Iowa is fortunate not to be in the Big Ten cellar every year.

I think about this fairly often as I’m a dipshit. What douche schools is the Iowa job better than?

Nebrantska for sure. Penn state although they obviously started cheating under Chambers. Rutgers? The reason Iowa is a top half of the big ten basketball school is pretty much exclusively Fran.

edit* Northwestern as well.

 

[Hawk_Kegmasters]

Even the guy in the corner knows he’s gonna be wide open. Looks like he’s wiping the sweat off his hands to get ready to let it fly.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Basketball 101....a team starts lighting you up from 3, go zone.

Bob Knight temper with an Eldon Miller record

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Does someone have a master list of programs that cheat and don’t cheat? Because Fran’s supposed lack of cheating sure is used as a crutch around here a lot. What other programs have such a disadvantage?

Steve Prohm and Todd The Criminal don’t cheat.

 

[Saul Berkley]

Basketball 101....a team starts lighting you up from 3, go zone.

Exactly. And yet people here were laughing at my comment that Fran isn't a great in game coach.

 

[FranklinHawk]

Does someone have a master list of programs that cheat and don’t cheat? Because Fran’s supposed lack of cheating sure is used as a crutch around here a lot. What other programs have such a disadvantage?

It's safe to say either Prohm doesn't cheat or he really fucking sucks at it. <sorta scooped>

 

[Skinny Skier]

Exactly. And yet people here were laughing at my comment that Fran isn't a great in game coach.

This thread is alternating between Fran is a fantastic coach to screenshots of shitty defense. He’s fine but nothing more. He’s probably slightly above average in conference.

 

[WestMifflin]

I think about this fairly often as I’m a dipshit. What douche schools is the Iowa job better than?

Nebrantska for sure. Penn state although they obviously started cheating under Chambers. Rutgers? The reason Iowa is a top half of the big ten basketball school is pretty much exclusively Fran.

edit* Northwestern as well.

How did PSU cheat? They were decent last year, but weren't really anything great.

 

[Mo T]

How did PSU cheat?

I have nothing concrete, but they cheated. If they didn't cheat, they at least committed some crimes.

 

[FrodoTBaggin]

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I've resigned myself to accepting that (kind of) doubling a wing is a core tenet of Fran's zone defense. It happens too often (almost every possession) for it not to be. Otherwise, you'd LOOK REALLY STUPID.

 

[CamelTones]

Exactly. And yet people here were laughing at my comment that Fran isn't a great in game coach.

Oregon was 3-9 from 3, with one of the 3 being a banked in side winder, when Fran went to the zone. Oregon still had 38 points despite that because Iowa could not stop dribble penetration.

 

[Hawkstrat]

Does someone have a master list of programs that cheat and don’t cheat? Because Fran’s supposed lack of cheating sure is used as a crutch around here a lot. What other programs have such a disadvantage?

The cheating thing on here gets tiring, but there's nothing about Iowa's recruiting that would necessitate "supposed."

 

[Lee Beevers]

How did PSU cheat? They were decent last year, but weren't really anything great.

well they started bringing in players they’ve never even sniffed being able to get before. I assume it was due to bag man payments, but could certainly be wrong.

 

[CamelTones]

I've resigned myself to accepting that (kind of) doubling a wing is a core tenet of Fran's zone defense. It happens too often (almost every possession) for it not to be. Otherwise, you'd LOOK REALLY STUPID.

I'm trying to figure out what exactly Patrick is doing and what he's suppose to be doing. He's in position to guard....no one.

 

[FrodoTBaggin]

The cheating thing on here gets tiring, but there's nothing about Iowa's recruiting that would necessitate "supposed."

That and freedom of movement/rapeball.

 

[FrodoTBaggin]

I'm trying to figure out what exactly Patrick is doing and what he's suppose to be doing. He's in position to guard....no one.

They all are. Lol

 

[The Incredible Hawk]

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What is Pat doing? Wtf is Luka doing? WTF ARE ANY OF THEM DOING?

 

[CamelTones]

well they started bringing in players they’ve never even sniffed being able to get before. I assume it was due to bag man payments, but could certainly be wrong.

They definitely paid Tony Carr and Lamar Stephens.

 

[CamelTones]

Wieskamp is in zone but is guarding the guy up top like he's in man. He should be following the ball there.

 

[HiawathaHawk]

This thread is alternating between Fran is a fantastic coach to screenshots of shitty defense. He’s fine but nothing more. He’s probably slightly above average in conference.

There’s obviously strengths and weaknesses.
Overall we have a job that is easily below average in the league. Our results for a decade have been above average. Our recruiting on paper is average at best and probably below average. He’s an outstanding offensive coach, identifies talent and develops it well to overcome some of those issues. Unfortunately he’s obviously had major consistent issues on defense.

 

[BngHawk]

Hi. I’ll sign up for the bag man approach. Preferably in football and basketball at the same time. I give no fucks if we eventually have to vacate wins. Get me some dirty shit and get us some natties.

 

[AZmessDAWG]

Were you standing in your houses concourse drinking beers

Nope

 

[AZmessDAWG]

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Yeah oregon did a great job exploiting the zone. Constantly putting us in tough positions on ball reversal.
-cpt obv

 

[BngHawk]

Nope

I think you might have been

 

[AZmessDAWG]

I think you might have been

I don’t think I was. Let me go check.

 

[AZmessDAWG]

Nope I wasn’t.

 

[BngHawk]

Nope I wasn’t.

Oh. Well that’s good. Thanks for taking the time to check. I appreciate you.

 

[cloudhawk]

Yeah oregon did a great job exploiting the zone. Constantly putting us in tough positions on ball reversal.
-cpt obv

Well to be fair- they also did a great job of breaking down the man to man D, both before and after, exploiting the zone.

 

[MikeyJoe]

Wieskamp is in zone but is guarding the guy up top like he's in man. He should be following the ball there.

This is also true. In Iowa's zone defense, people often end up yelling at the guy closing late like it's his fault. The reality is, by the time that first pass happened, Keegan was already fucked. He could leave the first shooter open or end up looking like an asshole closing late on the eventual shooter.

 

[MikeyJoe]

There’s obviously strengths and weaknesses.
Overall we have a job that is easily below average in the league. Our results for a decade have been above average. Our recruiting on paper is average at best and probably below average. He’s an outstanding offensive coach, identifies talent and develops it well to overcome some of those issues. Unfortunately he’s obviously had major consistent issues on defense.

Nuh uh he sucks or you think he's great.

 

[The Full Monte]

Does someone have a master list of programs that cheat and don’t cheat? Because Fran’s supposed lack of cheating sure is used as a crutch around here a lot. What other programs have such a disadvantage?

These comments always crack me up. As if somehow it’s unfathomable that in a relatively small town, at a relatively small time program...certain folks might have some inside insight/knowledge to certain components of the program

 

[Mo T]

My guess is every SEC school besides Vandy cheats at something.

 

[MikeyJoe]

What is Pat doing? Wtf is Luka doing? WTF ARE ANY OF THEM DOING?

I went ahead and gif'd it because it was so bad.


Fuck!

 

[The Tin Man]

For a guy that is obsessive about the number of fouls his players have in a somewhat misguided quest to avoid having them foul out, Fran really doesn’t know how to maximize the opportunities to create the same problem for the opposing team especially when he is given the chance due to their untimely fouls.

 

[MikeyJoe]

Everyone returning next year should be forced to watch that on a loop Clockwork Orange style.

 

[Hawk_Kegmasters]

Yah that’s on Wieskamp and Luka. Both hesitated.

 

[MikeyJoe]

For a guy that is obsessive about the number of fouls his players have in a somewhat misguided quest to avoid having them foul out, Fran really doesn’t know how to maximize the opportunities to create the same problem for the opposing team especially when he is given the chance due to their untimely fouls.

I don't know about that. Iowa didn't draw a ton of fouls this year, but in the past Iowa has had some teams that were really good at drawing fouls. A lot of that is player dependent. The Aaron White and Tyler Cook teams were pretty good at it. Luka was good at it, but stopped getting as many calls as the season went on. None of the other guards or wings on Iowa's current roster really drive strong enough to consistently draw fouls.

 

[The Dad]

I've resigned myself to accepting that (kind of) doubling a wing is a core tenet of Fran's zone defense. It happens too often (almost every possession) for it not to be. Otherwise, you'd LOOK REALLY STUPID.

I don’t think so, Fro. I think it’s just a slow and terrible bump when the guard is eventually able to recover 1.5 passes late.

 

[Alan Lomax]

This is also true. In Iowa's zone defense, people often end up yelling at the guy closing late like it's his fault. The reality is, by the time that first pass happened, Keegan was already fucked. He could leave the first shooter open or end up looking like an asshole closing late on the eventual shooter.

Iowa seems to find “both” a lot in this either/or scenario.
General question, sorry if already asked, but does iowa, or anyone in college really, label offensive and defensive coordinators? I’m all for that change if not.

 

[The Dad]

Yah that’s on Wieskamp and Luka. Both hesitated.

Keegan has to be in the passing lane. The direct pass to the corner is death.

 

[Thomas Wolsey]

Iowa seems to find “both” a lot in this either/or scenario.
General question, sorry if already asked, but does iowa, or anyone in college really, label offensive and defensive coordinators? I’m all for that change if not.

Texas Tech does. Belein did when they got good.

 

[6deuce]

Yah that’s on Wieskamp and Luka. Both hesitated.

I think Wieskamp could've still defended the wing there ok. Murray didn't need to double. I like the shot from the wing way better than absolutely wide open in the corner.

 

[Hawk_Kegmasters]

Keegan has to be in the passing lane. The direct pass to the corner is death.

It looks like he recovered pretty well to me considering his 1 on 2 disadvantage. Shooter on the wing couldn’t have got a free shot up, and Keegan still got his hand in the passing lane but the passer made a nice bounce pass. I think he would have knocked away a pass without the bounce.

 

[The Dad]

It looks like he recovered pretty well to me considering his 1 on 2 disadvantage. Shooter on the wing couldn’t have got a free shot up, and Keegan still got his hand in the passing lane but the passer made a nice bounce pass. I think he would have knocked away a pass without the bounce.

He has to be further out in the passing lane. If the pass is going to the corner it has to be over the top so either he or Luka at least have a chance to get there.