***2019-2020 Iowa Basketball Season Thread***

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Just when he was getting ready to turn the corner, the cops got him.
 

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I don't know about that. Neither are great options obviously, Pemsl is bigger and slightly better on offense.
Yeah I don’t get the “I’d rather have Till in there than Pemsl” take. I’m sure we would all rather have neither in there, but Pemsl is better than Till.
 

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Pemsl was already on some seriously thin ice with Fran for a variety of reasons.

I don’t think he will get the boot but Fran has to be hot.
 

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It doesn't seem like cordell has been as bad lately. That can change in 30 seconds of game time however. He plays so... aloof? I think that's how I'd describe it.
 

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I don't know about that. Neither are great options obviously, Pemsl is bigger and slightly better on offense.
Yeah, I don't get that. It's almost like the back up quarterback phenomenon.

Pemsl is not a good player. If he was he'd be playing more minutes. But he's better than Till. At least he can body up the other team's post player and get a few rebounds.
 

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Till just hasn't played enough to earn the scorn. That might be coming though.
Aaaand, that just might be because Fran and the other coaches have decided Pemsl is better and deserves to play more.
 
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Was this a DUI or just driving w a suspended license? I’m a contrarian here but we’ll miss him if he’s suspended.
 

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lolwut? He turns the ball over way too much and doesn’t score.
He doesn't score and he's not a threat to try. He's attempted only 39 field goals on the season. Jack Nunge hasn't played in three months and has comparable numbers from the floor.
 

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Pemsl CAN be good when he doesn't try to be exciting, but he turns the ball over so much that the team can never get into an offensive flow. His TOs always seem to lead to easy runouts by the other team when Pemsl pouts and doesn't get back on D. He needs to play within himslef and he'd be fine, but he doesn't.
 

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Till isn't good, and he understands that. Pemsl isn't good, yet he's trying halfcourt bounce passes on the break like he's Magic Johnson.
Correct. Riley Till is awful. His only theoretical upside is that he knows his limitations and doesn't try some of the stupid shit Pemsl does that actively hurts you.
 

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I suspect on a Friday afternoon in April or May, when no one is paying attention, Cordell Pemsl will quietly be shown the door under the guise of seeking more minutes for his senior year.
 

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I thought everyone was joking about this Till over Pemsl thing but then I remembered it was a consensus here that Connor and Baer should barely play. Basketball insights are not halo's collective forte.
 

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I’m guessing that till would look a little better out there if he was regularly given 8 to 10 minutes per game
 

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Pemsl CAN be good when he doesn't try to be exciting, but he turns the ball over so much that the team can never get into an offensive flow. His TOs always seem to lead to easy runouts by the other team when Pemsl pouts and doesn't get back on D. He needs to play within himslef and he'd be fine, but he doesn't.
But does he turn the ball over all that much? Less than one turnover per game in 12.3 minutes per. Maybe that's still a lot. I know he can get cute at times and try to do some Jason Williams shit, but it seems too much is made of the turnovers.
 

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But does he turn the ball over all that much? Less than one turnover per game in 12.3 minutes per. Maybe that's still a lot. I know he can get cute at times and try to do some Jason Williams shit, but it seems too much is made of the turnovers.
He has the second worst of turnover rate on the team behind Evelyn
 

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If you're going to drive with a suspended license you probably should ensure your vehicle doesn't have patent pulloverable defects like broken taillights.
Years back I was working in collections for past due legal fines for the county. It was incredible to me how many people had like 4-5 Driving While Barred tickets to their names. It makes less sense for a college kid on a basketball scholarship who has teammates and coaches, etc. that could help him get where he needs to be than the scurves just trying to make it to work or to Casey’s to buy lotto tickets.
 

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But does he turn the ball over all that much? Less than one turnover per game in 12.3 minutes per. Maybe that's still a lot. I know he can get cute at times and try to do some Jason Williams shit, but it seems too much is made of the turnovers.
A post player averaging over 3 TOs per 40 minutes is far too many.
 

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I thought everyone was joking about this Till over Pemsl thing but then I remembered it was a consensus here that Connor and Baer should barely play. Basketball insights are not halo's collective forte.
And yet the basketball discussion here is undeniably better than any other Hawkeye site on the interwebs.
 

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Years back I was working in collections for past due legal fines for the county. It was incredible to me how many people had like 4-5 Driving While Barred tickets to their names. It makes less sense for a college kid on a basketball scholarship who has teammates and coaches, etc. that could help him get where he needs to be than the scurves just trying to make it to work or to Casey’s to buy lotto tickets.
It's very common with the population I used to work with. Obviously not justifying it as they made their beds, but the perspective is not unreasonable. You take someone with not a lot of money, they fuck up and incur $500 in fines, maybe even with one incident. They can't (or don't) pay. More fines. Suddenly they owe $1000 or even more just to get their license back. In the meantime, they have to get to work or school. They take risks.

And lol at whoever wondered if he'd heard of Uber. Get the fuck out of here with that.
 

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A post player averaging over 3 TOs per 40 minutes is far too many.
Fair enough.

If you extrapolate every statistical measure for minutes played, Pemsl is superior (and even far superior in some categories) to Till in every single way except turnovers, personal fouls, and blocks. Essentially, Till is "safer" but really doesn't do anything positive, either.
 

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And yet the basketball discussion here is undeniably better than any other Hawkeye site on the interwebs.
I don't think so. Having one thread is nice but this place is far too group-thinky so you end up with ridiculous opinions because many on here are looking for friends. HR is better on whole because those guys aren't caught up in the middle school drama.
 

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Fair enough.

If you extrapolate every statistical measure for minutes played, Pemsl is superior (and even far superior in some categories) to Till in every single way except turnovers, personal fouls, and blocks. Essentially, Till is "safer" but really doesn't do anything positive, either.
That's fine Monster, but I haven't made any comparison between the two in this thread. Just commenting on Cordell.
 

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Kenpom and other analytics, while useful, are actually making the average b-ball fan dumber. Pemsl is at least a big body presence on both ends and that matters a lot for Iowa this year.
 
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I'm not so sure 'if it wasn't for turnovers and defense, Pemsl would likely be better than a walkon,' is much of an argument for Cordell.
 

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I'm not so sure 'if it wasn't for turnovers and defense, Pemsl would likely be better than a walkon,' is much of an argument for Cordell.
I suppose if you are factoring in scholarship player vs walk in, then it might not be. Me personally? I don't care about that. I only care about which player helps my favorite team win. Maybe winning isn't as important to you.
 

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I don't think so. Having one thread is nice but this place is far too group-thinky so you end up with ridiculous opinions because many on here are looking for friends. HR is better on whole because those guys aren't caught up in the middle school drama.
When the board was down for a few hours on a day last summer, many of us went back over to TOS for a bit. It was so God damn bad that many of us commented that it strengthened our appreciation for this board.

I get the “group-thinky” comment, but there is no reasonable person that could take in both mediums and consider TOS to be the better option. It is fucking terrible and embarrassing.
 

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Kenpom and other analytics, while useful, are actually making the average b-ball fan dumber. Pemsl is at least a big body presence on both ends and that matters a lot for Iowa this year.
Riley Till's ORating is over 20 points worse than Pemsl's.
 
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