**Official 2020 Iowa Football Season Thread**

[Talkin' Goat]

Dozens of us can be trusted.

 

[Dr. Zaius]

Absolutely. Bruce made him do some things that Kirk thought were ridiculous and not normal pres/coach requests. He was livid about one thing in particular.

 

[CamelTones]

Kirk disliked Sally way more than Bruce. I’ve heard he likes Bruce.

 

[26.2]

he did?

Ha seriously? I figured this was well known.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Absolutely. Bruce made him do some things that Kirk thought were ridiculous and not normal pres/coach requests. He was livid about one thing in particular.

being fair to black kids?

 

[L. Wade Childress]

When Kirk invited me to dinner once, harreld was the only other person invited.

 

[Herky823]

When I saw Kirk at Starbucks one time he didn't say anything to me and I also didn't say anything to him.

 

[BillyBob]

I saw Kirk and Bruce hanging out at 31 flavors the other day. They were engaged in friendly conversation.

 

[Talkin' Goat]

I saw Kirk and Bruce hanging out at 31 flavors the other day. They were engaged in friendly conversation.

Sounds pretty serious.

 

[thrawn]

I saw Kirk and Bruce hanging out at 31 flavors the other day. They were engaged in friendly conversation.

saw Lick and the messDAWG at Studio 13 one time

 

[douglasbader]

My neighbor just texted me that a friend of his that is friends with O'Keefe (I know, I know friend of a friend) says he expects Kirk to step down after this season. I essentially called bullshit on his statement, that I don't see Kirk leaving after this weird year with all the shit that has gone on, that he will leave on his own terms a couple years or more down the road once he has the program in the right position. He brought up the lawsuit and a new President. I shot down the lawsuit, but a new President and Barta having his health issues could cause some contemplation on Kirk's part. I still don't see him going out on anything but his terms and that is probably a few years yet down the road.

Your neighbor is a LIAR and a SCUMBAG.

 

[Swingin' Dick Stanzi]

I saw Greg Davis in Panchero’s the day after he was hired and in passing said “Hey Greg, big fan.” It’s one of the biggest regrets of my life.

 

[douglasbader]

I saw Greg Davis in Panchero’s the day after he was hired and in passing said “Hey Greg, big fan.” It’s one of the biggest regrets of my life.

I tried to tell everyone the day he was hired. I sat in a Texas bar and listened to them scream and cuss and wish death upon Greg Davis.

It was the 2010 National Championship game. When that is happening while you are in the National Championship game, you know that something is wrong.

 

[Talkin' Goat]

I saw Greg Davis in Panchero’s the day after he was hired and in passing said “Hey Greg, big fan.” It’s one of the biggest regrets of my life.

I truly wish bad things for you. Not death, but Zaph-type bad thoughts.

Edit: No offense

(no offense - like GDGD - stupid fucker)

 

[Brad Wesley]

Absolutely. Bruce made him do some things that Kirk thought were ridiculous and not normal pres/coach requests. He was livid about one thing in particular.

Non lubricated anal?

 

[KitKatApples]

I tried to tell everyone the day he was hired. I sat in a Texas bar and listened to them scream and cuss and wish death upon Greg Davis.

It was the 2010 National Championship game. When that is happening while you are in the National Championship game, you know that something is wrong.

Greg Davis definitely sucked ass but let’s not pretend Texas has done anything at all since he was gone either

 

[HerkyHopeful]

The most recent Rag article I ready said there are 13 black former players filing the suit, wasn't there 8 prior? Who are the five, unemployed former players who joined this

 

[fossilhawk]

Ex-Iowa players file suit alleging discrimination

Thirteen Black former Iowa football players have filed a lawsuit alleging they suffered "serious and pervasive discriminatory treatment and harassment" under longtime coach Kirk Ferentz.

www.espn.com

If the story is correct that they've filed in state court rather than federal, they are even more screwed than they might otherwise be.

First and foremost, the Iowa statute of limitations for race discrimination matters is 300 days from the date of occurrence. Not one of these players meets that criteria and are therefore time-barred.

Further, under the ICRA they are generally required to file administrative complaints with the Civil Rights Commission first, meaning they have to go through a fairly substantial administrative process before they can ever file a suit. As far as I'm aware, you can't file the complaints concurrently with a lawsuit - you have to exhaust the administrative remedy before filing. (Regardless, they're all outside the 300 day time limit.)

It's cute that this bunch is going fishing like this, but they almost certainly won't get shit, as it should be.

 

[WCFHawkeye]

Ex-Iowa players file suit alleging discrimination

Thirteen Black former Iowa football players have filed a lawsuit alleging they suffered "serious and pervasive discriminatory treatment and harassment" under longtime coach Kirk Ferentz.

www.espn.com

If the story is correct that they've filed in state court rather than federal, they are even more screwed than they might otherwise be.

First and foremost, the Iowa statute of limitations for race discrimination matters is 300 days from the date of occurrence. Not one of these players meets that criteria and are therefore time-barred.

Further, under the ICRA they are generally required to file administrative complaints with the Civil Rights Commission first, meaning they have to go through a fairly substantial administrative process before they can ever file a suit. As far as I'm aware, you can't file the complaints concurrently with a lawsuit - you have to exhaust the administrative remedy before filing. (Regardless, they're all outside the 300 day time limit.)

It's cute that this bunch is going fishing like this, but they almost certainly won't get shit, as it should be.

They are open to a monetary settlement though, just in case The University is feeling generous.

 

[YugoslavianMountainHound]

The most recent Rag article I ready said there are 13 black former players filing the suit, wasn't there 8 prior? Who are the five, unemployed former players who joined this

A few more guys who had complained like Foy. I was surprised to see Darian Cooper join it. He had a medical retirement but stayed and graduated.

 

[Lee Beevers]

A few more guys who had complained like Foy. I was surprised to see Darian Cooper join it. He had a medical retirement but stayed and graduated.

Trinca-Pasat started over Darian and he was salty as fuck about that from what I was told by my INSIDER!!! sources back in the day. No idea if that was actually true.

Kirk’s blatant racism probably didn’t help.

 

[AZmessDAWG]

saw Lick and the messDAWG at Studio 13 one time

No you didn’t. You liar. I’m calling you out.

 

[Stu Beagle]

I know their lawyer is out of state, but how could he not know Iowa discrimination laws?

 

[KitKatApples]

Trinca-Pasat started over Darian and he was salty as fuck about that from what I was told by my INSIDER!!! sources back in the day. No idea if that was actually true.

Kirk’s blatant racism probably didn’t help.

Trinica-pasat really sucked he's got a great case.......

 

[Lee Beevers]

Trinica-pasat really sucked he's got a great case.......

I report, you decide. I will not go back and DMOFR, but I don’t remember LTP being super effective outside of his senior year.

 

[douglasbader]

Trinica-pasat really sucked he's got a great case.......

What?

 

[douglasbader]

A few more guys who had complained like Foy. I was surprised to see Darian Cooper join it. He had a medical retirement but stayed and graduated.

I'm not surprised at all to see Darian Cooper join in. That guy was one of the biggest whiny attention whores.

 

[KitKatApples]

What?

It's sarcasm.

 

[Thomas Wolsey]

It's sarcasm.

You should try it some time.

 

[KitKatApples]

You should try it some time.

Don't tell me what to do Wolsey

 

[CamelTones]

Apparently Trey Stross took a lot of pills at Iowa and had an excuse for the drops against Ohio State.

 

[BngHawk]

Cool excuses, Terry Strauss

 

[HerkyHopeful]

I don't think cortisone shots made him a fucking spaz. That's just him.

 

[HerkyHopeful]

If he says rest pills, he was clearly on some sort of anxiety meds. So yeah he is a spaz.

This guy was not injured like he's saying

 

[thrawn]

The why doesn’t mean he isn’t a good reference point for WRs who can’t catch.

 

[CamelTones]

I remember Terry more for catching the hail maryish TD pass before halftime against Indiana in 2007 then spiking the ball, receiving a 15 yard penalty and getting yelled at by a guy that now manages a Culver’s.

 

[HerkyHopeful]

I remember Terry more for catching the hail maryish TD pass before halftime against Indiana in 2007 then spiking the ball, receiving a 15 yard penalty and getting yelled at by a guy that now manages a Culver’s.

Same. Left the stadium and walked home, turned the TV on and that was the first thing I saw. Couldn't stop laughing at the entire situation

 

[KitKatApples]

I remember Terry more for catching the hail maryish TD pass before halftime against Indiana in 2007 then spiking the ball, receiving a 15 yard penalty and getting yelled at by a guy that now manages a Culver’s.

I think we’ve all had that moment

 

[fossilhawk]

Anybody who wants to read the lawsuit that was filed, here you go.

There's not overly much new here, and I'm no expert in this side of the law, but it's been a while since I've seen this terribly drafted a complaint.

1. KMM's complaint is that he wasn't permitted to break Nile Kinnick's punt return record against WMU in 2013.
2. Every cause of action they allege except "breach of contract" is a *federal* claim. You will notice the suit is filed in a *state* court. State courts generally don't have jurisdiction over questions of federal law.
3. They're asking the court to make the University partner with frickin' Ibram X. Kendi to "administer anti-racist training" for coaches and staff.

I'll leave it to be picked apart by the smarter lawyers on this board, but this complaint as drafted is begging for a motion to dismiss.

 

[Swingin' Dick Stanzi]

I’m only on page three (of seventy) and can already tell that this is going to be a doozy.

“Under the watchful eye of Kirk Ferentz, Iowa football coaching staff utilized racially discriminatory and punitive means to force African-American athletes into strict compliance with the Program’s racist philosophy that effectively stripped away every cultural aspect of being an African-American.”

 

[Greg Obrecht]

So now they’re alleging that BF and Doyle used the N word on numerous occasions?

 

[Swingin' Dick Stanzi]

The complaint alleges racism!!!!! because Brian was hired as OC over...Levar Woods and Bobby Kennedy, I guess?

K. Ferentz further exacerbated racial disparities within the Program by installing his son, B. Ferentz, as offensive line coach and offensive coordinator in 2012 and 2017, respectively. He was only thirty-three (33) years old when he was promoted to offensive coordinator over more senior and qualified African-American coaches on K. Ferentz’s staff at the time.

 

[Verbal]

Anybody who wants to read the lawsuit that was filed, here you go.

There's not overly much new here, and I'm no expert in this side of the law, but it's been a while since I've seen this terribly drafted a complaint.

1. KMM's complaint is that he wasn't permitted to break Nile Kinnick's punt return record against WMU in 2013.
2. Every cause of action they allege except "breach of contract" is a *federal* claim. You will notice the suit is filed in a *state* court. State courts generally don't have jurisdiction over questions of federal law.
3. They're asking the court to make the University partner with frickin' Ibram X. Kendi to "administer anti-racist training" for coaches and staff.

I'll leave it to be picked apart by the smarter lawyers on this board, but this complaint as drafted is begging for a motion to dismiss.

These fucks ever heard of "notice pleading" before? Hey-seuss.

 

[Thomas Wolsey]

The complaint alleges racism!!!!! because Brian was hired as OC over...Levar Woods and Bobby Kennedy, I guess?

K. Ferentz further exacerbated racial disparities within the Program by installing his son, B. Ferentz, as offensive line coach and offensive coordinator in 2012 and 2017, respectively. He was only thirty-three (33) years old when he was promoted to offensive coordinator over more senior and qualified African-American coaches on K. Ferentz’s staff at the time.

LOL!!! I mean I like Levar but what makes him “more qualified” to be an offensive coordinator? And Kennedy? GTFO.

 

[Swingin' Dick Stanzi]

Lol - apparently injured white players were pampered and held out of activities, while the racist!!!! coaches forced black players to play through their injuries or risk losing their scholarships.

“While White teammates were permitted to rest, recover, and heal, African- American players were ridiculed for their injuries and pressured to play while injured under explicit threats by coaches, including threats of loss of individual scholarships. White players, however, were not subject to similar threats by the coaching staff.”

 

[Herky823]

This might be laughable, but assuming this is as baseless as the Halo legal mind seems to think it is, are there any sort of repercussion towards the lawyers for bringing a lawsuit that they know is federal vs state, outside the SOL, etc? I understand "anyone can sue for anything" and all that, but surely this can't be worth it for the lawyers, no? My understanding was these sorts of things were almost done on contingency so what is it - marketing?

 

[fossilhawk]

This might be laughable, but assuming this is as baseless as the Halo legal mind seems to think it is, are there any sort of repercussion towards the lawyers for bringing a lawsuit that they know is federal vs state, outside the SOL, etc? I understand "anyone can sue for anything" and all that, but surely this can't be worth it for the lawyers, no? My understanding was these sorts of things were almost done on contingency so what is it - marketing?

There are such things as sanctions for frivolous pleadings, but they generally don't extend out to poorly drafted complaints. You mostly see sanctions for obviously baseless claims like sovereign citizen tax evasion and other out-there whackaloon stuff (for instance, you could have seen sanctions for the guy who requested trial by combat in his Iowa divorce earlier this year).

This, alas, is not one of those kind of lawsuits.

 

[Herky823]

There are such things as sanctions for frivolous pleadings, but they generally don't extend out to poorly drafted complaints. You mostly see sanctions for obviously baseless claims like sovereign citizen tax evasion and other out-there whackaloon stuff (for instance, you could have seen sanctions for the guy who requested trial by combat in his Iowa divorce earlier this year).

This, alas, is not one of those kind of lawsuits.

OK, so no punishment.

So again, assuming halo is right, what's the thought? Charging hourly? Doubtful, considering these are all guys who didn't make the NFL. Contingency is no good on a suit that isn't going to win, and advertising that you take on and lose racial bias claims doesn't seem like good marketing...

 

[Hawk24]

OK, so no punishment.

So again, assuming halo is right, what's the thought? Charging hourly? Doubtful, considering these are all guys who didn't make the NFL. Contingency is no good on a suit that isn't going to win, and advertising that you take on and lose racial bias claims doesn't seem like good marketing...

Another option is also the most likely one....these guys just aren't very smart.

 

[Swingin' Dick Stanzi]

Not much new in terms of the allegations of the players. The only one we haven’t heard already was Mends claiming that the team’s camera crew was shooting footage for a mini-series, and took a picture of Mends holding a shotgun. KF wouldn’t give Mends the picture to post on social media, even though one of his white teammates posted a picture (that was not taken by the team’s video crew) on Instagram of several white players holding guns.

Aside from that, it is the same allegations we have already heard - a number of exaggerations or flat out lies (Wadley claiming he was made violently ill because he was force-fed protein shakes and had his meal card privileges revoked; Parker claiming Brian yelled “only a dumbass black player would do it that way” in front of the entire team and coaching staff, etc.), and a bunch of conclusory statements that the coaches said mean things to the players because they were black.