** Official Tennessee vs Iowa CITRUS BOWL THREAD --New Years Day-NOON-ABC **

[Thomas Wolsey]

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Two of the three options behind the LOS on the same side of the field, 5 seconds in to the play.

 

[Hawk&Balls]

the defender is 5-6 yards away.....I think that fits the general definition of "open"...

you didnt say he was open. you said there wasn't a defender close to him.

 

[Hawk&Balls]

Two of the three options behind the LOS on the same side of the field, 5 seconds in to the play.

You say that like its an anomaly

 

[thrawn]

Two of the three options behind the LOS on the same side of the field, 5 seconds in to the play.

at a very basic level of football, it would seem that slow developing pass plays should at least be longer passes/higher reward since you’re taking on more risk with the slow play, while short passes with their lower upside come from low risk quick plays. Iowa seemingly combines the risk of slow developing plays with short passes more than every other team combined.

 

[Thomas Wolsey]

at a very basic level of football, it would seem that slow developing pass plays should at least be longer passes/higher reward since you’re taking on more risk with the slow play, while short passes with their lower upside come from low risk quick plays. Iowa seemingly combines the risk of slow developing plays with short passes more than every other team combined.

I get that sometimes you need to vary what you do, but I can’t remember the ball going more than 10 yards in the air on the boot action very often. Maybe the Iowa State game to the tight end, Penn State 2021 to Ragaini.

 

[Kerky]

Even if you dont throw it, keep running. Have never seen a QB just stop and get smoked.

No, but we have seen one throw the ball into the stands on 4th down.

 

[Creed]

at a very basic level of football, it would seem that slow developing pass plays should at least be longer passes/higher reward since you’re taking on more risk with the slow play, while short passes with their lower upside come from low risk quick plays. Iowa seemingly combines the risk of slow developing plays with short passes more than every other team combined.

But that dipshit @RecreationalGynecologist said it isn’t about play calling or scheme.

 

[6deuce]

But that dipshit @RecreationalGynecologist said it isn’t about play calling or scheme.

In a sea of halo retardation Rec is the king.

 

[Mr. Hawk]

 

[nikolausp]

Lainez netted 55 yards of total offense, compared to the 36 by Hill. Even if he can’t throw if he can move the offense can still function.

Marco's 51 rushing yards were the most by an Iowa QB since CJ Beathard's game in 2015 vs Iowa State.

 

[Gushawk]

Brian really hates backyard football. Or moving it generally.

 

[TVan]

Earlier in his career, running QB’s used to give us fits and Iowa even lost a couple games to pretty shitty teams as a result.

Phil has sort of got that under control for the most part…but that seems to have convinced Kirk that mobile QB’s suck and having one is stupid

Iamaleava had 3 rushing TD's and the second longest rush (19 yards).

 

[The Full Monte]

Iamaleava had 3 rushing TD's and the second longest rush (19 yards).

Hence the “sort of” Mr Well Actually

 

[6deuce]

Hence the “sort of” Mr Well Actually

It also didn't help the defense was on the field the entire game because of daddy's boy. They handled Iamaleava pretty fucking well all things considered.

 

[TVan]

Hence the “sort of” Mr Well Actually

I chose to ignore your escape hatch.

 

[thrawn]

Iamaleava had 3 rushing TD's and the second longest rush (19 yards).

one of them was 3 yards and another was 2 yards (and he didn’t even cross the plane)

 

[TVan]

It also didn't help the defense was on the field the entire game because of daddy's boy. They handled Iamaleava pretty fucking well all things considered.

Letting him rush for 3 TDs is handling him well? The D only gave up 4 other rushing TDs the entire year. The D is on the field every week for the entire game so that's nothing new. He is good and will do this to plenty of good defenses.

 

[TVan]

one of them was 3 yards and another was 2 yards (and he didn’t even cross the plane)

Irrelevant. He scored and that is the point. Mobile QBs can give Iowa trouble. Well defended everywhere else but he was able to score.

 

[The Full Monte]

You seem to be under the impression that "under control for the most part" (relative to early seasons under Kirk/Norm) = "Iowa never gives up scores to running QB's" or "They never ever give us problems anymore."

 

[6deuce]

one of them was 3 yards and another was 2 yards (and he didn’t even cross the plane)

Yes but he scored 3 times!!!

 

[6deuce]

I chose to ignore your escape hatch.

Well then can he chose to ignore the fact that you are retarded?

 

[BillyBob]

Imagine criticizing the defence when Bryan Ferentz exists.

 

[Harlan]

Well then can he chose to ignore the fact that you are retarded?

We’ve all been trying to but it gets difficult sometimes.

 

[douglasbader]

Imagine criticizing the defence when Bryan Ferentz exists.

Lolz.

 

[Hawk&Balls]

Yes but he scored 3 times!!!

 

[The Full Monte]

Imagine criticizing the defence when Bryan Ferentz exists.

As much as I dislike Brian and stupid ass offense, this is a good example of one of the internet's more infuriating arguments. Brian sucking pig butthole year after year has zero bearing on a play or player on some other side of the ball.

If Iowa happened to have a shit game stopping the run....Brian sucking ass doesn't change that one way or the other. It would be an objective fact. It's not a commentary that they are more responsible for a loss than Brian being yet again the worst offensive coordinator in the country

 

[Geese]

As much as I dislike Brian and stupid ass offense, this is a good example of one of the internet's more infuriating arguments. Brian sucking pig butthole year after year has zero bearing on a play or player on some other side of the ball.

If Iowa happened to have a shit game stopping the run....Brian sucking ass doesn't change that one way or the other. It would be an objective fact. It's not a commentary that they are more responsible for a loss than Brian being yet again the worst offensive coordinator in the country

You don't think an awful offense that can't eat up clock and consistently puts the defense in bad positions has any impact on the defense?

 

[L. Wade Childress]

I would also argue that our offense is so bad that opposing offenses take very few chances. That’s why our turnover numbers are down.

 

[The Full Monte]

You don't think an awful offense that can't eat up clock and consistently puts the defense in bad positions has any impact on the defense?

I’m not saying that at all actually….

 

[The Full Monte]

I would also argue that our offense is so bad that opposing offenses take very few chances. That’s why our turnover numbers are down.

Absolutely true

 

[MikeyJoe]

You don't think an awful offense that can't eat up clock and consistently puts the defense in bad positions has any impact on the defense?

Look at the Michigan game. The "performance" of the defense was absolute dictated by the offensive failures.

 

[Geese]

I’m not saying that at all actually….

Seems like u r

 

[6deuce]

Seems like u r

He’s calling tvan a dipshit. Hope that helps.

 

[StinkyMcFadden]

I would also argue that our offense is so bad that opposing offenses take very few chances. That’s why our turnover numbers are down.

"Don't do anything retarded and it will all work itself out. Their offense is their defense." (Offensive game plan against Iowa)

 

[cloudhawk]

Especially with how turnover prone the offense was.

Can't gain yards and high turnover rate is not ideal

 

[The Full Monte]

Seems like u r

 

[newsbreaker]

Citrus Bowl drew 6.7M viewers, more than any other non-NY6 bowl, and easily beating the Fiesta Bowl head-to-head.

Iowa made the most of the audience.

 

[OlePeep]

Citrus Bowl drew 6.7M viewers, more than any other non-NY6 bowl, and easily beating the Fiesta Bowl head-to-head.

Iowa made the most of the audience.

A lot of people love to watch car wrecks

 

[YugoslavianMountainHound]

Horse beaten to the point of being abstract art but still worthwhile:

 

[Thomas Wolsey]

Horse beaten to the point of being abstract art but still worthwhile:

I would love to see how many balls were attempted more than 15 yards.

 

[The Dad]

Painfully dumb. The only thing worse is Kirk wanted him back.

 

[The Full Monte]

Painfully dumb. The only thing worse is Kirk wanted him back.

But Injuries!!!

 

[Thomas Wolsey]

But Injuries!!!

Jimmies and Joes!!!!!!

 

[L. Wade Childress]

X and the ho’s bring in the jimmies and the joes.

 

[MikeyJoe]

It's too dramatic to say Kirk doesn't care about winning anymore - that's obviously not true. But I do think it's fair to say he cares more about holding certain principles than he does winning.

CLEARLY in answer to the Tweet above, no one should have expected that game play to work against Tennessee. But I honestly do believe that Kirk would rather stick with principles (not changing the offense, not going with a new QB, sticking with Brian's design) even if those decisions make a win less likely.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

unless sticking with those principles is going to cure cancer or end poverty, he should be fired for doing that.

 

[YugoslavianMountainHound]

One thing doug harps on where he is absolutely correct is that it is asinine for Iowa to not take more deep shots.

8–10 per game. keeps the back 7 honest and reduces box loading. Can frequently draw a PI . And god forbid the WR gets open or makes a great catch and you connect on one.

 

[FrodoTBaggin]

It's too dramatic to say Kirk doesn't care about winning anymore - that's obviously not true. But I do think it's fair to say he cares more about holding certain principles than he does winning.

CLEARLY in answer to the Tweet above, no one should have expected that game play to work against Tennessee. But I honestly do believe that Kirk would rather stick with principles (not changing the offense, not going with a new QB, sticking with Brian's design) even if those decisions make a win less likely.

The problem is sticking with principles has also won him a ton of games. No matter what he's sticking to the game plan. Hence, the back yard football comments in the past. It's also what separates him from being an all time great. The greats can and will adjust on the fly and have systems that makes adjusting on the fly possible.

The seasons where it seems he's seen the most success have always seemed to come after FINALLY making a change, personnel or otherwise. Which makes it all the more frustrating for fans. He's slow to change but in his mind that approach has brought a lot of success.

Vanilla ice cream.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

One thing doug harps on where he is absolutely correct is that it is asinine for Iowa to not take more deep shots.

8–10 per game. keeps the back 7 honest and reduces box loading. Can frequently draw a PI . And god forbid the WR gets open or makes a great catch and you connect on one.

and guess what? An interception 40 yards downfield is way fucking better than a fumble or interception ten yards downfield.

 

[FrodoTBaggin]

One thing doug harps on where he is absolutely correct is that it is asinine for Iowa to not take more deep shots.

8–10 per game. keeps the back 7 honest and reduces box loading. Can frequently draw a PI . And god forbid the WR gets open or makes a great catch and you connect on one.

Everyone harps on this. It's borderline criminal.