BCS Analysis

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With the BCS official standings out, I thought I'd take another look at Iowa's chances to get an at large bid. I typed up something quick yesterday when the projected standings came out, but here's a more comprehensive look at the current BCS standings and what has to happen for Iowa to get one of the 10 BCS bids:

1. Florida (1)
Potential Losses: 12/5 vs Alabama
In/Out: In no matter what. They make the title game or get an at-large bid.
2. Alabama (2)
Potential Losses: 11/27 @ Auburn, 12/5 vs Florida
In/Out: Potentially out if they drop the next two, but the loss @ Auburn is not likely. It's more likely that they're in the title game or get an at-large.
3. Texas (3)
Potential losses: No real tough games left. The Big 12 Title Game shouldn't even be that difficult.
In no matter what. They make the title game or get an at-large bid.
4. TCU (4)
Potential Losses: No tough games left
In/Out: I'd still be surprised if the BCS takes two non-BCS schools. So for TCU and Boise, the only issue is which gets chosen. I'll say TCU.
5. Cincinnati (5)
Potential Losses: 12/5 @ Pitt. The 11/27 game vs. a Jekyl and Hyde Illinois team is somewhat of a wildcard, but should still be a win for Cincy.
In/Out: I'll say in no matter what. If their only loss is to Pitt, I've got to think they still get an at large bid, although it'd be iffy. Cincy is the Big East's only opportunity for an at large bid. But if they lose to Illinois, all bets are off and the winner of Pitt/Cincy gets the Big East's only bid.
6. Boise State *
Potential Losses: No tough games left
In/Out: I'd still be surprised if the BCS takes two non-BCS schools. So for TCU and Boise, the only issue is which gets chosen. I'll say TCU.
7. Georgia Tech (6)
Potential losses: 11/28 vs Georgia, ACC Title Game
In/Out: In with the ACC auto bid. If they drop the ACC title game, I don't know that they'd get an at large bid, although they'd be a decent contender. If they lose to Georgia they absolutely need the auto bid.
8. LSU
Potential losses: 11/21 @ Mississippi
In/Out: LSU is out of luck. Even if they win out, they're held out by the BCS rules with the SEC already having two teams.
9. Pittsburg *
Potential losses: 11/27 @ West Virginia, 12/5 vs Cincinnati
In/Out: I've got to believe Pitt needs the Big East's auto bid to get in. If they lose to Cincinnatti, I don't think a Big East team with 2 losses gets an at large bid. Iowa fans need to hope for a Cincinnati win big time.
10. Ohio State (7)
Potential losses: Maybe 11/21 @ Michigan because of the rivalry, but Michigan sucks
In/Out: In no matter what with the Big 10's auto bid
11. Oregon (8)
Potential losses: 11/21 @ Arizona, 12/3 vs Oregon State. I wouldn't have put @ Arizona there two weeks ago, but after the Stanford loss you never know with this Oregon team.
In/Out: They look to have the Pac 10's auto bid right now, but this could change with a loss to Oregon State. The good thing for Iowa is that even if Oregon loses to Oregon State, Oregon would have 3 losses, as do the #2 and #3 Pac 10 teams. The Pac 10 isn't getting an at large bid, so it doesn't really matter to Iowa who's in this spot.
12. Oklahoma State (9)
Potential losses: 11/28 @ Oklahoma
In/Out: This is a real wildcard for Iowa. A good showing by Oklahoma State against Oklahoma and they'd be a strong candidate for an at large spot. Lose and they're out for sure. For the sake of this prediction, let's say they get it.
13. Iowa - we'll leave this to the end.
14. Penn State
Potential losses: No real tough games left. They should win 11/21 @ Michigan State
In/Out: They're the next candidate in for an at large bid should Iowa not make it, and they have a decent chance given the Penn State name to be selected above Iowa.


13. Iowa
Potential losses: Let's hope for another drubbing of Minnesota 11/21, but you never know with a freshman quarterback in his second start
In/Out: In if everything goes Iowa's way as predicted above. The biggest hurdles for Iowa right now are as follows:
1) Two non-BCS schools getting at large bids
2) Cincinnati losing to Pitt and still getting an at large bid. Texas losing the Big 12 title game would be similar.
3) Oklahoma State getting an at large bid. While this can happen and Iowa can still get an at large bid, it does take away one spot.
4) Penn State getting chosen above Iowa
5) Another surprise team having a strong showing and moving up the BCS standings in the last few weeks. #15-18 are Virginia Tech, Wisconsin, Stanford, and USC.
Again, the Big 12 and Big East championships are key for Iowa. It helps Iowa tremendously if Texas and Cincy both win out. Worst case scenario for Iowa is Texas and Cincy losing, as they're both more likely to get at large bids than Iowa.
 
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Well done Mikey....the only thing I disagree with is; I absolutely think Boise and TCU are both in if both win out.

Go Sooners, Go Cincy and Go Michigan State just for good measure.
 

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Well done Mikey....the only thing I disagree with is; I absolutely think Boise and TCU are both in if both win out.

Go Sooners, Go Cincy and Go Michigan State just for good measure.
Yeah, if you think that Boise and TCU are both getting at large bids (which I agree is possible but I still think unlikely), then no games are more important to Iowa than the following:

1) Okie State vs. Oklahoma
2) Cincinatti vs. Pitt
3) Texas in the Big 12 Title Game
 

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If there are some unexpected losses an LSU makes its way to the SEC title game
Impossible, Alabama & Florida have already clinched their respective divisions.
 

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So for TCU and Boise, the only issue is which gets chosen
As between these two schools, I don't believe there is any choosing to be done. Whichever finishes ranked higher gets the auto bid (assuming both undefeated). TCU is in the driver's seat in that regard. Because of that, I can see Boise getting an at-large, particularly to the Fiesta, as I think they traveled pretty well there against Oklahoma 3 years ago (and could probably outdraw a team like Pitt).
 

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If there are some unexpected losses an LSU makes its way to the SEC title game
Impossible, Alabama & Florida have already clinched their respective divisions.
Cool, thanks. I didn't realize that. I was trying to say that either way it didn't matter, but I didn't realized they'd already clinched. So basically I should have said LSU is pretty much out no matter what.
 

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If there are some unexpected losses an LSU makes its way to the SEC title game
Impossible, Alabama & Florida have already clinched their respective divisions.
Cool, thanks. I didn't realize that. I was trying to say that either way it didn't matter, but I didn't realized they'd already clinched. So basically I should have said LSU is pretty much out no matter what.
Yep. Although it's interesting to note that LSU would likely be Iowa's bowl opponent in Orlando if the Hawks don't get a BCS at-large.
 

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I disagree that PSU's game @ MSU this week won't be 'real tough'.

They will be fighting for their lives against a pretty good, well coached, & highly motivated football team.

I think it's a 50/50 proposition. Cousins is playing at a very high level right now.
 

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To simplify, here's a rooting interest for Iowa. Note that these all aren't mandatory for Iowa to get in, but would help quite a bit.

Any SEC game: Irrelevant
Any PAC10 game: Should be irrelevant, but Oregon winning out would guarantee it
Texas: Win out
Georgia Tech: Win out or lose out
Cincinnati: Win out or lose out
Oklahoma over Okie State
Michigan State over Penn State
TCU or BSU to get upset in any remaining game
 
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I'm calling the Illinois over Cinci upset, right now.
 

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Would PSU be chosen over Iowa (assuming both win out)? PSU of course lost to Iowa and got dominated by OSU at home, while Iowa took OSU to OT in Columbus.
 
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Would PSU be chosen over Iowa (assuming both win out)? PSU of course lost to Iowa and got dominated by OSU at home, while Iowa took OSU to OT in Columbus.
If a BCS bowl chose PSU over Iowa, all 12 Northwestern fans would find that incredibly funny.
 

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I think PSU goes to Fiesta over Iowa.

Reasons

1. They travel just as well as Iowa
2. Better tv ratings
3. They are Penn St, Iowa is Iowa.
 

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Too late, I did that a couple weeks ago.
and you both are 20+ points on the wrong side. This game won't be close.
Believe Mo. He knows.

http://www.hawkeyelounge.com/showpost.php?p=824040&postcount=58
I guess if I put a smiley face after it, the sarcasm would have been easier to detect.

Anyway, Illinois is horrible. What makes anyone think they can win this game? Because the Big 10 is so much better than the Big East? Because Illinois has no wins against a team that will have a winning record?
 
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Would PSU be chosen over Iowa (assuming both win out)? PSU of course lost to Iowa and got dominated by OSU at home, while Iowa took OSU to OT in Columbus.
Some "expert" said the Fiesta Bowl is extremely interested in Iowa because of the huge # of alumni living in AZ. However, if Fiesta takes TCU instead, the Orange Bowl would have the next choice and would take PSU over Iowa (TV ratings/tradition).
 

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Would PSU be chosen over Iowa (assuming both win out)? PSU of course lost to Iowa and got dominated by OSU at home, while Iowa took OSU to OT in Columbus.
Some "expert" said the Fiesta Bowl is extremely interested in Iowa because of the huge # of alumni living in AZ. However, if Fiesta takes TCU instead, the Orange Bowl would have the next choice and would take PSU over Iowa (TV ratings/tradition).
TCU isn't chosen over Iowa in the Fiesta Bowl. It just doesn't happen.

Okie State might get chosen, which why (IMHO) other than cheering against any Championship Game upsets, we BADLY want Oklahoma to beat them more than we care about anything other than our own game saturday.
 

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after watching TCU I don't think anyone wants to play them in a bowl game....
 
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I think PSU goes to Fiesta over Iowa.

Reasons

1. They travel just as well as Iowa
2. Better tv ratings
3. They are Penn St, Iowa is Iowa.
they are Penn state..LOL

Are you trying to pick everyone going to a BCS before Iowa so you can say you were right all along...jesus
 

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I think PSU goes to Fiesta over Iowa.

Reasons

1. They travel just as well as Iowa
2. Better tv ratings
3. They are Penn St, Iowa is Iowa.
they are Penn state..LOL

Are you trying to pick everyone going to a BCS before Iowa so you can say you were right all along...jesus
Just my opinion. Sorry to offend.

I hope to hell Iowa ends up in the Fiesta, I'll be there. But, an Iowa- Boise, or Iowa- TCU game, would be horrible tv ratings. That may sway opinion.
 
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i dont really care but you are all over the map, finding scenarios how anyone gets selected over Iowa, there are still alot of games left to be played. Iowa has just as much of a shot of getting selected for a BCS bowl as anyone else at this point. And it is going to take more than they are PSU and Iowa is Iowa......
 

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And it is going to take more than they are PSU and Iowa is Iowa......
That's my point, it doesn't take any more than that when the bowl committees select. It doesn't matter your rank, who you beat, your position in the conference, etc. Iowa has been screwed over many times in the past 20 years for simply being Iowa.
 
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Penn State's signature win this year is a toss up between Michigan, Northwestern, and Syracuse........how they are anywhere near IOWA in the BCS is a freaking joke
 
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And it is going to take more than they are PSU and Iowa is Iowa......
That's my point, it doesn't take any more than that when the bowl committees select. It doesn't matter your rank, who you beat, your position in the conference, etc. Iowa has been screwed over many times in the past 20 years for simply being Iowa.
You are wrong, Iowa usually does the screwing come bowl time
 
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I think Oklahoma State will lose at Oklahoma (11/28).

Pittsburgh/Cincinnati loser is knocked out....Pitt could lose to WV before the Cincinnati game.

Mississippi I think will beat LSU this weekend...game is at Mississippi.

Think you'll see Iowa around #10 at the end of the year (if they beat Minnesota).


As far as the Penn State/Iowa scenario. First, Penn State could very well lose this weekend at Michigan State, and second I'm assuming that Iowa has quite a few alums in Arizona that may sway that selection....oh and Iowa beat them.
 
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And it is going to take more than they are PSU and Iowa is Iowa......
That's my point, it doesn't take any more than that when the bowl committees select. It doesn't matter your rank, who you beat, your position in the conference, etc. Iowa has been screwed over many times in the past 20 years for simply being Iowa.
You are wrong, Iowa usually does the screwing come bowl time
Do recall Iowa football before 1991? They were screwed several times in the 80's, and got stuck in the Holiday Bowl at 10-1 in 1991
 
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That's my point, it doesn't take any more than that when the bowl committees select. It doesn't matter your rank, who you beat, your position in the conference, etc. Iowa has been screwed over many times in the past 20 years for simply being Iowa.
You are wrong, Iowa usually does the screwing come bowl time
Do recall Iowa football before 1991? They were screwed several times in the 80's, and got stuck in the Holiday Bowl at 10-1 in 1991
That's because that was the 2nd place tie in bowl for the Big Ten for quite a while. Hayden was trying to get them to the Cotton Bowl but it didn't work out.
 

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You are wrong, Iowa usually does the screwing come bowl time
Do recall Iowa football before 1991? They were screwed several times in the 80's, and got stuck in the Holiday Bowl at 10-1 in 1991
That's because that was the 2nd place tie in bowl for the Big Ten for quite a while. Hayden was trying to get them to the Cotton Bowl but it didn't work out.
1991, Iowa was definitely shafted. The other Holiday bowl years, Iowa was passed over for some other teams.
 

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an Iowa- Boise, or Iowa- TCU game, would be horrible tv ratings. That may sway opinion.
It'd be the only football game in the world on that night, and would likely be up against re-runs on the other networks. People would watch.
 
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