How pissed will Ferentz defenders be if...

[Rolo Tomassi]

...the entire coaching staff returns next year, including Norm Parker as DC?

 

[Southsidehawk]

...the entire coaching staff returns next year, including Norm Parker as DC?

I doubt they will be very pissed at all. If they are defenders of Ferentz, they will be OK with it. Me? I'm ambivalent about his coaching. I doubt we will ever reach the lofty heights of 2002 again. But, I guess that's OK with the majority of fans. :neutral:

 

[Rolo Tomassi]

I thought I posted this thread on the football board.

 

[Southsidehawk]

I thought I posted this thread on the football board.

Oh well. This is where I found it and this is where I posted to it.

 

[Harlan]

...the entire coaching staff returns next year, including Norm Parker as DC?

I doubt they will be very pissed at all. If they are defenders of Ferentz, they will be OK with it. Me? I'm ambivalent about his coaching. I doubt we will ever reach the lofty heights of 2002 again. But, I guess that's OK with the majority of fans. :neutral:

you mean like we did 2 years ago?

 

[douglasbader]

...the entire coaching staff returns next year, including Norm Parker as DC?

I doubt they will be very pissed at all. If they are defenders of Ferentz, they will be OK with it. Me? I'm ambivalent about his coaching. I doubt we will ever reach the lofty heights of 2002 again. But, I guess that's OK with the majority of fans. :neutral:

You mean like when Iowa finished 11-2 and won a BCS bowl less than 2 years ago?

See, people, this is what it has become. Fans completely re-writing history because they are disappointed with the outcome of a season. If anyone wonders why I get so pissed off, doucebags like Southsidehawk are the reason.

 

[HiawathaHawk]

...the entire coaching staff returns next year, including Norm Parker as DC?

I doubt they will be very pissed at all. If they are defenders of Ferentz, they will be OK with it. Me? I'm ambivalent about his coaching. I doubt we will ever reach the lofty heights of 2002 again. But, I guess that's OK with the majority of fans. :neutral:

You mean like when Iowa finished 11-2 with both losses coming without our starting QB, and won a BCS bowl less than 2 years ago?

Fixed.

 

[scottsdalehawk]

Iowa has underachieved 6 of the past 7 years. The one year they did overachieve, they were lucky to beat UNI and Indiana.

 

[douglasbader]

Iowa has underachieved 6 of the past 7 years. The one year they did overachieve, they were lucky to beat UNI and Indiana.

You see people? I don't even have to make the point of how stupid things have gotten, douchebag scottsdalehawk is doing it for me.

The retard fan base has moved to a point where an 11-2 BCS winning bowl year is treated like something to be embarrassed about.

 

[scottsdalehawk]

Iowa has underachieved 6 of the past 7 years. The one year they did overachieve, they were lucky to beat UNI and Indiana.

You see people? I don't even have to make the point of how stupid things have gotten, douchebag scottsdalehawk is doing it for me.

The retard fan base has moved to a point where an 11-2 BCS winning bowl year is treated like something to be embarrassed about.

Which year didn't they underachieve? 2008 had a lot of NFL talent on it.

 

[scottsdalehawk]

Doug, 90% of the time I agree with your posts regarding the football program. However in this case, you are wrong. There is reason for concern about the way the program is heading.

 

[cloudhawk]

Iowa has underachieved 6 of the past 7 years. The one year they did overachieve, they were lucky to beat UNI and Indiana.

You see people? I don't even have to make the point of how stupid things have gotten, douchebag scottsdalehawk is doing it for me.

The retard fan base has moved to a point where an 11-2 BCS winning bowl year is treated like something to be embarrassed about.

They cant doug- heavens was lamenting yesterday about how unimpressive the win over georgia tech was as far a giving iowa any credit.

Cloudhawk= its getting pathetic

 

[douglasbader]

Now scottsdalehawk is going to attempt to deflect away from his idiotic comment that Iowa will never reach the heights of 2002 (when in fact the reached higher in 2009) in a pathetic attempt to save face.

 

[scottsdalehawk]

Now scottsdalehawk is going to attempt to deflect away from his idiotic comment that Iowa will never reach the heights of 2002 (when in fact the reached higher in 2009) in a pathetic attempt to save face.

Well you completely ignored the point of my post so carry on with your ignorance and we'll re-visit this next year after a stellar 6-6 season. Low standards!!!111!!!!

 

[douglasbader]

Doug, 90% of the time I agree with your posts regarding the football program. However in this case, you are wrong. There is reason for concern about the way the program is heading.

What does that have to do with your idiotic comment that was completely false?

Also, every single person right down to Monster and myself agree that Iowa needs to make some changes and bring new blood into the program. The difference is that we can actually say that without having to systematically go back and re-write history to make the point.

That is what I have been so pissed about with our stupid fucking fan base (people like you, Heavens, Ray Ray, Pipe and multiple others) is that they can't say they want coaching changes without bashing Ferentz's salary and re-writing history.

 

[douglasbader]

Now scottsdalehawk is going to attempt to deflect away from his idiotic comment that Iowa will never reach the heights of 2002 (when in fact the reached higher in 2009) in a pathetic attempt to save face.

Well you completely ignored the point of my post so carry on with your ignorance and we'll re-visit this next year after a stellar 6-6 season. Low standards!!!111!!!!

Go re-read your post fucktard. Actually, here, I will help you out:

I doubt they will be very pissed at all. If they are defenders of Ferentz, they will be OK with it. Me? I'm ambivalent about his coaching. I doubt we will ever reach the lofty heights of 2002 again. But, I guess that's OK with the majority of fans.

Your "point" was that people like Monster and myself wouldn't be upset and you doubt Iowa will ever reach the lofty heights of 2002 again.

So, your "point" was wrong on the first part (I would be pissed) and the second part is just completely false when that lofty height was reached and surpassed less than 2 years ago.

So again, nobody ignored your "point", you just didn't have one.

 

[nolookpass]

I dont think 2009 surpassed 2002. 2002 included a Co Big Ten championship.

Id rather have a Big Ten championship than a bowl win over another team that didnt win their conference.

 

[PipeDaddy]

...the entire coaching staff returns next year, including Norm Parker as DC?

I doubt they will be very pissed at all. If they are defenders of Ferentz, they will be OK with it. Me? I'm ambivalent about his coaching. I doubt we will ever reach the lofty heights of 2002 again. But, I guess that's OK with the majority of fans. :neutral:

you mean like we did 2 years ago?

Incorrect.

 

[douglasbader]

I dont think 2009 surpassed 2002. 2002 included a Co Big Ten championship.

Id rather have a Big Ten championship than a bowl win over another team that didnt win their conference.

Lol. Of course you don't think it surpassed it. Why would you, Iowa only won a BCS Bowl and finished higher in the national rankings.

 

[douglasbader]

I doubt they will be very pissed at all. If they are defenders of Ferentz, they will be OK with it. Me? I'm ambivalent about his coaching. I doubt we will ever reach the lofty heights of 2002 again. But, I guess that's OK with the majority of fans. :neutral:

you mean like we did 2 years ago?

Incorrect.

Not incorrect.

Iowa won a BCS bowl and finished higher in the national rankings than the 2002 team did.

Please feel free to go ahead and trash that season because it makes you feel better though.

 

[nolookpass]

I dont think 2009 surpassed 2002. 2002 included a Co Big Ten championship.

Id rather have a Big Ten championship than a bowl win over another team that didnt win their conference.

Lol. Of course you don't think it surpassed it. Why would you, Iowa only won a BCS Bowl and finished higher in the national rankings.

BCS bowl doesnt mean as much when some of the teams are decided by how many of their fans will travel.

I would guess a player would rather tell his friends he played on a big ten championship team than "we finished rated number 8."

 

[PipeDaddy]

you mean like we did 2 years ago?

Incorrect.

Not incorrect.

Iowa won a BCS bowl and finished higher in the national rankings than the 2002 team did.

Please feel free to go ahead and trash that season because it makes you feel better though.

You are at it again.

 

[douglasbader]

Feel free to tell me where I am wrong Pipe.

 

[HiawathaHawk]

I dont think 2009 surpassed 2002. 2002 included a Co Big Ten championship.

Id rather have a Big Ten championship than a bowl win over another team that didnt win their conference.

What the fuck?

Georgia Tech went 7-1 in the ACC. No one else won 7 games in the ACC. They then beat Clemson in the ACC Championship.

But they didn't win their conference.

 

[nolookpass]

I dont think 2009 surpassed 2002. 2002 included a Co Big Ten championship.

Id rather have a Big Ten championship than a bowl win over another team that didnt win their conference.

What the fuck?

Georgia Tech went 7-1 in the ACC. No one else won 7 games in the ACC. They then beat Clemson in the ACC Championship.

But they didn't win their conference.

didnt realize that.

my point still stands. winning a conference is more of an accomplishment than winning one game.

btw the 2002 team would kill the 2009 team head to head.

 

[PipeDaddy]

Feel free to tell me where I am wrong Pipe.

Feel free to quote any example where I have "bashed the 2009 season."

 

[douglasbader]

Feel free to tell me where I am wrong Pipe.

Feel free to quote any example where I have "bashed the 2009 season."

You specifically? Not sure, but others in this thread sure find a way.

Please tell me again how the 2009 team didn't reach the heights of the 2002 team.

 

[HiawathaHawk]

Of course you didn't. And it's completely out of character for you to just make something up, "misremember" or go back and change history so it fits your argument.

I can see how you would think that though. Bowls and networks are always dying to get into that huge market of Georgia Tech football.

 

[nolookpass]

Of course you didn't. And it's completely out of character for you to just make something up, "misremember" or go back and change history so it fits your argument.

I can see how you would think that though. Bowls and networks are always dying to get into that huge market of Georgia Tech football.

:rotf:

really I dont give a FF who won the ACC that year or any other year.

Im guessing most people feel the same way I do. A conference championship is a bigger deal.

 

[TH1974]

Now scottsdalehawk is going to attempt to deflect away from his idiotic comment that Iowa will never reach the heights of 2002 (when in fact the reached higher in 2009) in a pathetic attempt to save face.

Well you completely ignored the point of my post so carry on with your ignorance and we'll re-visit this next year after a stellar 6-6 season. Low standards!!!111!!!!

Could be 7 wins after the bowl game. WHY ARE YOU LEAVING OUT THE BOWL GAME, YOU FUCKTARD DOUCHEBAG?? STOP RE-WRITING THE FUTURE!

 

[Monster]

I will be disappointed if Iowa doesn't bring in some new coaches. It's time. Things are stale. I love Norm, but it can't continue to work at the old level with him deteriorating health-wise.

 

[douglasbader]

Of course you didn't. And it's completely out of character for you to just make something up, "misremember" or go back and change history so it fits your argument.

I can see how you would think that though. Bowls and networks are always dying to get into that huge market of Georgia Tech football.

:rotf:

really I dont give a FF who won the ACC that year or any other year.

Im guessing most people feel the same way I do. A conference championship is a bigger deal.

You sure seemed to care about it a few posts ago. Only now when it doesn't fit your narrative do you seem to not give a shit.

Typical.

 

[Bovert]

Now scottsdalehawk is going to attempt to deflect away from his idiotic comment that Iowa will never reach the heights of 2002 (when in fact the reached higher in 2009) in a pathetic attempt to save face.

Well you completely ignored the point of my post so carry on with your ignorance and we'll re-visit this next year after a stellar 6-6 season. Low standards!!!111!!!!

Go re-read your post fucktard. Actually, here, I will help you out:

I doubt they will be very pissed at all. If they are defenders of Ferentz, they will be OK with it. Me? I'm ambivalent about his coaching. I doubt we will ever reach the lofty heights of 2002 again. But, I guess that's OK with the majority of fans.

Your "point" was that people like Monster and myself wouldn't be upset and you doubt Iowa will ever reach the lofty heights of 2002 again.

So, your "point" was wrong on the first part (I would be pissed) and the second part is just completely false when that lofty height was reached and surpassed less than 2 years ago.

So again, nobody ignored your "point", you just didn't have one.

I'm on doug's side in this continuing argument, but just wanted to point out that it was southside who posted that quote about never reaching the lofty heights of 2002 again. It wasn't scottsdale.

 

[douglasbader]

Hard to tell them apart, names and avatar's are both similar. My fault on that one.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I hate Iowa fans a lot of the time.

 

[Harlan]

I dont think 2009 surpassed 2002. 2002 included a Co Big Ten championship.

Id rather have a Big Ten championship than a bowl win over another team that didnt win their conference.

What the fuck?

Georgia Tech went 7-1 in the ACC. No one else won 7 games in the ACC. They then beat Clemson in the ACC Championship.

But they didn't win their conference.

didnt realize that.

my point still stands. winning a conference is more of an accomplishment than winning one game.

btw the 2002 team would kill the 2009 team head to head.

You are fucking stupid. You threw out a specific fact: "...over another team that didnt win their conference" but then say you didn't realize it wasn't true. Are you so desperate to avenge DJK that you throw retarded statements out in the hopes that nobody calls you on it? Perhaps you should stick to commenting on high school football.

 

[SL]

you mean like we did 2 years ago?

Incorrect.

Not incorrect.

Iowa won a BCS bowl and finished higher in the national rankings than the 2002 team did.

Please feel free to go ahead and trash that season because it makes you feel better though.

If Pipe didn't hate Stanzi, I believe he would feel differently about the 2009 season.

 

[PipeDaddy]

Incorrect.

Not incorrect.

Iowa won a BCS bowl and finished higher in the national rankings than the 2002 team did.

Please feel free to go ahead and trash that season because it makes you feel better though.

If Pipe didn't hate Stanzi, I believe he would feel differently about the 2009 season.

 

[Monster]

I don't think Pipe hated Stanzi.

 

[douglasbader]

Pipe is still avoiding an explanation of why Iowa 2009 didn't reach the same heights or exceed 2002.

 

[Kerky]

Pipe is still avoiding an explanation of why Iowa 2009 didn't reach the same heights or exceed 2002.

I believe 2009 was good and actually resulted in Iowa's first BCS bowl victory, however, there is something a little more special about actually winning the conference.

The one thing I believe about Ferentz is that he desperately wants to get to the Rose Bowl and win it. This alone gives me hope that we can get that special season once again, but I am also concerned that KF has become more conservative in his approach than early in his career and needs to get out of that rut again to accomplish that special season type goal.

 

[Judge Kemp]

Can't we all agree that this season highlighted a need to shake up the staff a bit, was a disappointment in a down Big Ten, and still agree we shouldn't throw out the baby with the bath water?

Kirk Ferentz re-built a foundation for success here at Iowa. What we need are some new faces on the staff willing to keep him accountable and willing to take on the stale elements of the program to refresh them.

I don't think that requires a new Head Coach. It does require a staff shake-up in my opinion, however.

 

[Hawkstrat]

Iowa will never again have three consecutive top 10 finishes like they did from 02-04. '09 was great, but a lot of that team returned to disappoint in 2010.

Also, 2009 has the dishonor of feeling lucky. The whole 'we never lose when Rick throws a pick-six,' just seemed like a fluke to me. I assumed Ricky would continue to be a likable but below average QB in 2010, surprisingly he was great, but the team wasn't.

 

[HiawathaHawk]

Of course you didn't. And it's completely out of character for you to just make something up, "misremember" or go back and change history so it fits your argument.

I can see how you would think that though. Bowls and networks are always dying to get into that huge market of Georgia Tech football.

:rotf:

really I dont give a FF who won the ACC that year or any other year.

Im guessing most people feel the same way I do. A conference championship is a bigger deal.

You sure seemed to care about it a few posts ago. Only now when it doesn't fit your narrative do you seem to not give a shit.

Typical.

Yep, he cares about facts when he thinks they help his case. If not, revert to the old "who cares anyway, my point remains".

 

[nolookpass]

:rotf:

really I dont give a FF who won the ACC that year or any other year.

Im guessing most people feel the same way I do. A conference championship is a bigger deal.

You sure seemed to care about it a few posts ago. Only now when it doesn't fit your narrative do you seem to not give a shit.

Typical.

Yep, he cares about facts when he thinks they help his case. If not, revert to the old "who cares anyway, my point remains".

my case appears strong, judging from my poll.

 

[Monster]

Let's keep your poll out of it.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

100% of iowa coaches and players would say that 2002 was the superior year to 2009.

a conference title is the main goal every single year. anything else is out of your hands.

 

[HiawathaHawk]

You sure seemed to care about it a few posts ago. Only now when it doesn't fit your narrative do you seem to not give a shit.

Typical.

Yep, he cares about facts when he thinks they help his case. If not, revert to the old "who cares anyway, my point remains".

my case appears strong, judging from my poll.

I really don't care what your opinion is regarding 2002 vs. 2009. Either one is valid and if you think '02 was a better year there's nothing wrong with that.

This was just about you completely making something up to strengthen your point and then afterward saying that particular fact doesn't even matter.

 

[nolookpass]

Yep, he cares about facts when he thinks they help his case. If not, revert to the old "who cares anyway, my point remains".

my case appears strong, judging from my poll.

I really don't care what your opinion is regarding 2002 vs. 2009. Either one is valid and if you think '02 was a better year there's nothing wrong with that.

This was just about you completely making something up to strengthen your point and then afterward saying that particular fact doesn't even matter.

lol. get over yourself Sherlock Holmes. I didnt "make anything up."

I wasnt aware that GT won the ACC and the reality is I didnt care then or now.

Obviously if I knew they won the conference, Id also realize other people would know as well. So even if I wanted to, "making something up" wouldnt fly.

try thinking logically, and not emotionally, like a woman. If you are a chick, I apologize in advance.

 

[Fair and Balanced]

Of course you didn't. And it's completely out of character for you to just make something up, "misremember" or go back and change history so it fits your argument.

I can see how you would think that though. Bowls and networks are always dying to get into that huge market of Georgia Tech football.

:rotf:

really I dont give a FF who won the ACC that year or any other year.

Im guessing most people feel the same way I do. A conference championship is a bigger deal.

That logic delights me.