**MSU v. Iowa - 1/24/19 - 6 PM - FS1**

[Berzerkenpas]

If basketball is a priority for Connor, he should shitcan baseball and spend April-August shooting 3s all day.

 

[CamelTones]

MSU is really good at not fouling the guy with the ball. It’s what they do off the ball that’s frustratingly missed.

 

[Alan Lomax]

If basketball is a priority for Connor, he should shitcan baseball and spend April-August shooting 3s all day.

Although from the looks of his shot, he should be spending Nov - March hitting baseballs.

 

[Berzerkenpas]

Although from the looks of his shot, he should be spending Nov - March hitting baseballs.

touche

 

[nolookpass]

If basketball is a priority for Connor, he should shitcan baseball and spend April-August shooting 3s all day.

I'm sure that's there's been a player that's been transformed from major bricklayer to decent shooter sometime in the history of college basketball but I just can't think of any

 

[HerkyHopeful]

It was over when the goofy McQuaid spaz started hitting shots

 

[AZmessDAWG]

Brian Garner?

 

[nolookpass]

I think Connor can be a solid role player but my fear is they will try to make him into something else. But seriously, when he tries to drive right it looks like a handicap kid doing it

 

[eclone]

If basketball is a priority for Connor, he should shitcan baseball and spend April-August shooting 3s all day.

I'm sure that's there's been a player that's been transformed from major bricklayer to decent shooter sometime in the history of college basketball but I just can't think of any

Naz Long did it by putting in the time. He had a HORRIBLE looking shot his freshman year. Completely transformed it to the point that he's on a 2-way NBA contract thanks largely to his shooting.

 

[KitKatApples]

Great

 

[Fletch]

If basketball is a priority for Connor, he should shitcan baseball and spend April-August shooting 3s all day.

I'm sure that's there's been a player that's been transformed from major bricklayer to decent shooter sometime in the history of college basketball but I just can't think of any

Eric Snow?

 

[Match34]

I think Bryce Drew was the last college basketball player to play for his dad who didn't end up being hated/resented by his team's fans.

 

[Fletch]

I think Bryce Drew was the last college basketball player to play for his dad who didn't end up being hated/resented by his team's fans.

Doug McDermott?

 

[Wanderer]

If basketball is a priority for Connor, he should shitcan baseball and spend April-August shooting 3s all day.

I'm sure that's there's been a player that's been transformed from major bricklayer to decent shooter sometime in the history of college basketball but I just can't think of any

Fran has had players do this:

• Aaron White was a 22% 3 point shooter his second year at Iowa and 36% his final year.
  
• Devyn Marble went from 25% 3 point shooter his freshman year to 35% his final 3 years on over 350 attempts.
• Matt Gatens went from being 33% his sophomore and junior years to 41% his senior year.
• Eric May went from 29% to 40% over his time at Iowa.

Most of these guys started with a better shot than Connor (other than White), but it can be done.

 

[Revolver]

I think Bryce Drew was the last college basketball player to play for his dad who didn't end up being hated/resented by his team's fans.

 

[Hawkeye_Pierce]

I just don't understand how a guard not blessed with great athleticism or size, with two parents that played in college, and access to facilities and coaching that most kids could only dream of, could be a poor shooter. Even if his shots don't fall, you'd think his form would be Jok-esque. Even his handle is average, at best. He gets by with a solid understanding of the game and the ability to feed the post.

 

[Berzerkenpas]

Maybe they were not super hands-on with their kids because they have both coached and played D1. Admirable, and probably more healthy parenting, but at the same time...fix that fucking broke-ass j.

 

[DGHawk]

I'm late to this party, but Connor is playing terrible right now, and is simply not a 20+ minutes a game Big Ten player at this point. His defense is horrible - I'm not sure you can even call it defense. There is nothing he does well on defense. The dribbling with no purpose, or worse yet, picking up the dribble at 28 feet, is inexcusable for a "point guard." Don't get me started about the occasions he thinks he can drive, especially with his right hand. He provides no threat offensively, terrible shooter. Izzo subbed in a fucking scrub for Winston at one point when Connor came in. I mean, one of the best coaches in college basketball history has enough faith in a walk-on level player to handle Connor that he gives Winston a break. That says a lot. Connor's entry passes aren't even that good, which is probably the best thing he does. Some of his mistakes are junior high level bad, and he's the fucking coach's son. A late in the half situation with Connor dribbling the clock out for a kick out to Baer is such bad coaching. With all of this said, keep in mind, Connor played 20+ minutes.

I've always felt the only way that a son/dad situation works is if the player is clearly the best player on the team (See McDermott's, Greg and Doug), otherwise it ends up getting you fired eventually. I hope I'm wrong because I want Iowa basketball to succeed, but from what I've seen over the last 5 or 6 games, I'm afraid the McCaffery boys will end up leading to the end of Fran at Iowa.

 

[Match34]

bohannon had to have promised a girl that he'd hit a shot from the logo for her last night.

 

[douglasbader]

I'm late to this party, but Connor is playing terrible right now, and is simply not a 20+ minutes a game Big Ten player at this point. His defense is horrible - I'm not sure you can even call it defense. There is nothing he does well on defense. The dribbling with no purpose, or worse yet, picking up the dribble at 28 feet, is inexcusable for a "point guard." Don't get me started about the occasions he thinks he can drive, especially with his right hand. He provides no threat offensively, terrible shooter. Izzo subbed in a fucking scrub for Winston at one point when Connor came in. I mean, one of the best coaches in college basketball history has enough faith in a walk-on level player to handle Connor that he gives Winston a break. That says a lot. Connor's entry passes aren't even that good, which is probably the best thing he does. Some of his mistakes are junior high level bad, and he's the fucking coach's son. A late in the half situation with Connor dribbling the clock out for a kick out to Baer is such bad coaching. With all of this said, keep in mind, Connor played 20+ minutes.

I've always felt the only way that a son/dad situation works is if the player is clearly the best player on the team (See McDermott's, Greg and Doug), otherwise it ends up getting you fired eventually. I hope I'm wrong because I want Iowa basketball to succeed, but from what I've seen over the last 5 or 6 games, I'm afraid the McCaffery boys will end up leading to the end of Fran at Iowa.

Lol. Iowa is 16-4 and lost to a Top 5 team and suddenly Connor and Pat are going to get Fran fired.

 

[HiawathaHawk]

Yep, there it is. It took one loss to a top 5 team. We also have the new whipping boy. After a night where the offense had a brutal stretch and he had 5 assists to 0 turnovers

 

[Alan Lomax]

I just don't understand how a guard not blessed with great athleticism or size, with two parents that played in college, and access to facilities and coaching that most kids could only dream of, could be a poor shooter. Even if his shots don't fall, you'd think his form would be Jok-esque. Even his handle is average, at best. He gets by with a solid understanding of the game and the ability to feed the post.

I'm under the impression that he is a pretty high quality baseball player as well. That, along with his terrible offensive game, is a good reason to focus on baseball. That said, I do like that he brings a toughness, intensity, and red-assness that no one else on the team really brings.

 

[Captain Willard]

Connor is a handsome man.

That's an ugly, ugly shot though.

 

[Match34]

Connor is a handsome man.

That's an ugly, ugly shot though.

He's, like, third-most handsome on the team at best. Riley's obviously #1, then I'd put bohannon. Then either Connor or Pemsl at 3 (he has nice dimples). Dailey would be in the conversation, too, if he weren't so tall and slender. He looks like young Dave Chapelle out there. If he gets jacked and starts looking like old Dave Chapelle then he'd probably be in the conversation, too.

 

[Hawk_Kegmasters]

Isaiah Moss is Top 3 for sure. Lol at Dailey being mentioned before Moss.

 

[Match34]

Isaiah Moss is Top 3 for sure. Lol at Dailey being mentioned before Moss.

I forgot about him. He's in the mix for the 3 spot.

 

[HerkyHopeful]

I think Bryce Drew was the last college basketball player to play for his dad who didn't end up being hated/resented by his team's fans.

Doug McDermott?

It took Fletch one minute to come up with an example to blow up the previous quote. Well done sir

 

[Hawkeye_Pierce]

Yep, there it is. It took one loss to a top 5 team. We also have the new whipping boy. After a night where the offense had a brutal stretch and he had 5 assists to 0 turnovers

Yeah, I'm not going that far. He's been a net positive for the team overall but his game needs a lot of work.

 

[HerkyHopeful]

He's a good role player. I think people were expecting more from a guy who was borderline top 100 recruit so maybe that's some of the angst I'm reading here. He's clearly limited but light-years better than seeing Brady Ellingson check in.

He's got three more seasons to get better and I assume the jumper will come along.

 

[nolookpass]

He's a good role player. I think people were expecting more from a guy who was borderline top 100 recruit so maybe that's some of the angst I'm reading here. He's clearly limited but light-years better than seeing Brady Ellingson check in.

He's got three more seasons to get better and I assume the jumper will come along.

I think he can be a solid contributor but anybody who thinks he would have been a top hundred player with a different last name is kidding themselves

 

[DGHawk]

Yep, there it is. It took one loss to a top 5 team. We also have the new whipping boy. After a night where the offense had a brutal stretch and he had 5 assists to 0 turnovers

Not one game. He's been terrible most of the Big Ten season.

 

[Fletch]

Yep, there it is. It took one loss to a top 5 team. We also have the new whipping boy. After a night where the offense had a brutal stretch and he had 5 assists to 0 turnovers

Not one game. He's been terrible most of the Big Ten season.

Funny that you bring this up after a loss, though.

 

[DGHawk]

I'm late to this party, but Connor is playing terrible right now, and is simply not a 20+ minutes a game Big Ten player at this point. His defense is horrible - I'm not sure you can even call it defense. There is nothing he does well on defense. The dribbling with no purpose, or worse yet, picking up the dribble at 28 feet, is inexcusable for a "point guard." Don't get me started about the occasions he thinks he can drive, especially with his right hand. He provides no threat offensively, terrible shooter. Izzo subbed in a fucking scrub for Winston at one point when Connor came in. I mean, one of the best coaches in college basketball history has enough faith in a walk-on level player to handle Connor that he gives Winston a break. That says a lot. Connor's entry passes aren't even that good, which is probably the best thing he does. Some of his mistakes are junior high level bad, and he's the fucking coach's son. A late in the half situation with Connor dribbling the clock out for a kick out to Baer is such bad coaching. With all of this said, keep in mind, Connor played 20+ minutes.

I've always felt the only way that a son/dad situation works is if the player is clearly the best player on the team (See McDermott's, Greg and Doug), otherwise it ends up getting you fired eventually. I hope I'm wrong because I want Iowa basketball to succeed, but from what I've seen over the last 5 or 6 games, I'm afraid the McCaffery boys will end up leading to the end of Fran at Iowa.

Lol. Iowa is 16-4 and lost to a Top 5 team and suddenly Connor and Pat are going to get Fran fired.

I said the end of Fran, not fired. Iowa rarely fires.

Actually, his inability to recruit impact guards will be the reason for his demise. Well that and being a below average in-game coach. Over playing his overrated sons will push fans over the edge.

 

[DGHawk]

Yep, there it is. It took one loss to a top 5 team. We also have the new whipping boy. After a night where the offense had a brutal stretch and he had 5 assists to 0 turnovers

Not one game. He's been terrible most of the Big Ten season.

Funny that you bring this up after a loss, though.

I guess.

Anything in the first paragraph you believe is incorrect, whether it be last night or at any time since BT play started?

 

[Match34]

bohannon, Weiskamp, and Moss went 4/20 for 10 points. I'm not sure what that makes their eFG% but I'm pretty sure it was lower than the rest of Iowa's guards.

 

[eclone]

bohannon, Weiskamp, and Moss went 4/20 for 10 points. I'm not sure what that makes their eFG% but I'm pretty sure it was lower than the rest of Iowa's guards.

No, I'm pretty sure you nailed the weak links on offense last night...

 

[HawkLax6]

Connor is tied for 19th in the country in assist-turnover ratio (third among freshmen and second among all players with zero starts this season). I will take that even if it comes with some flaws.

 

[nolookpass]

At 16:25 Iowa was up 7 and Cmc subbed in for Moss. Thought it seemed early, if anyone shoulda sat then it was bohannon.

When Cmc left iowa was down 8

 

[HiawathaHawk]

Yep, there it is. It took one loss to a top 5 team. We also have the new whipping boy. After a night where the offense had a brutal stretch and he had 5 assists to 0 turnovers

Not one game. He's been terrible most of the Big Ten season.

Funny that you bring this up after a loss, though.

His last posts on the basketball board about Iowa:
-11/27 hoping Pemsl wouldn't play, thanking God that Pemsl was having surgery and lamenting that Ellingson ever played here.

I think the previous 50 were all about Ellingson. It's kind of like the guys that Frodo points out on the Football board that only post after losses. He is very consistent though.

 

[HiawathaHawk]

At 16:25 Iowa was up 7 and Cmc subbed in for Moss. Thought it seemed early, if anyone shoulda sat then it was bohannon.

When Cmc left iowa was down 8

Now let me tell you about the difference between correlation and causation....

 

[Wanderer]

Not one game. He's been terrible most of the Big Ten season.

Funny that you bring this up after a loss, though.

His last posts on the basketball board about Iowa:
-11/27 hoping Pemsl wouldn't play, thanking God that Pemsl was having surgery and lamenting that Ellingson ever played here.

I think the previous 50 were all about Ellingson. It's kind of like the guys that Frodo points out on the Football board that only post after losses. He is very consistent though.

He does fuck on the first date, though.

 

[hawkeyealum]

At 16:25 Iowa was up 7 and Cmc subbed in for Moss. Thought it seemed early, if anyone shoulda sat then it was bohannon.

When Cmc left iowa was down 8

Why was CMC playing rather than out locking down the four hour radius?

 

[hawkeyealum]

Connor is tied for 19th in the country in assist-turnover ratio (third among freshmen and second among all players with zero starts this season). I will take that even if it comes with some flaws.

I’m too lazy to look it up but isn’t his assist-turnover similar to Gesells career average? I thought it was and everyone bitches about his assist numbers

 

[Thomas Wolsey]

Connor is tied for 19th in the country in assist-turnover ratio (third among freshmen and second among all players with zero starts this season). I will take that even if it comes with some flaws.

I’m too lazy to look it up but isn’t his assist-turnover similar to Gesells career average? I thought it was and everyone bitches about his assist numbers

They play sort of the same way, so it would make sense.

 

[douglasbader]

Connor is tied for 19th in the country in assist-turnover ratio (third among freshmen and second among all players with zero starts this season). I will take that even if it comes with some flaws.

I’m too lazy to look it up but isn’t his assist-turnover similar to Gesells career average? I thought it was and everyone bitches about his assist numbers

People bitch about Gesell's numbers because he never fed the post and largely threw nothing but safe passes.

 

[Jim]

Connor is tied for 19th in the country in assist-turnover ratio (third among freshmen and second among all players with zero starts this season). I will take that even if it comes with some flaws.

I’m too lazy to look it up but isn’t his assist-turnover similar to Gesells career average? I thought it was and everyone bitches about his assist numbers

People bitch about Gesell's numbers because he never fed the post and largely threw nothing but safe passes.

Well, that and the whole finishing at the rim when he had the last shot of the game.

 

[CamelTones]

The 24-2 run made it look like Iowa played much worse than they actually did. Only had 7 turnovers against a very good defensive team.

People over analyze basketball games after losses. It really comes down to making shots and last night Iowa missed a lot of shots that they had been making. It’s the nature of the sport.

Again, I hate when the university hypes up games like that. It seems to add pressure to the players, and almost all of their misses were short which is either tired legs or nerves.

 

[eclone]

That’s a new one. Don’t remember the marketing department being a scapegoat after a loss. Still probably more correct than blaming Connor.

 

[CamelTones]

That’s a new one. Don’t remember the marketing department being a scapegoat after a loss. Still probably more correct than blaming Connor.

I’m not blaming the marketing department at all. MSU is a better team than Iowa. But they did the exact same thing for the Wisconsin game with regard to free tickets for students along with all the social media and reporters asking the players about it before the game. Iowa shot 6-24 from 3 that game. 5-24 last night.

I’m sure the players want to perform well in that spot and sometimes that works against you.

 

[Kamala]

That’s a new one. Don’t remember the marketing department being a scapegoat after a loss. Still probably more correct than blaming Connor.

I’m not blaming the marketing department at all. MSU is a better team than Iowa. But they did the exact same thing for the Wisconsin game with regard to free tickets for students along with all the social media and reporters asking the players about it before the game. Iowa shot 6-24 from 3 that game. 5-24 last night.

I’m sure the players want to perform well in that spot and sometimes that works against you.

The marketing department needs to get people in the arena and create a big time atmosphere. For most teams, that helps them, not hurts them.

If your contention is that our players can not deal with the pressure of a big time environment, then they are never going to accomplish anything noteworthy anyway.