**2017-2018 Iowa Hawkeye Basketball Season Thread**

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My biggest concern around expectations this year has to do with bohannon. He was playing out of his mind at the end of last year and people tend to measure potential off the High-water mark. I would be shocked if he maintained his three-point shooting percentage this year. We obviously look like a completely different team when he is going 6/8 from three point range each game.

If Connor can in fact play some point with Jordan playing off the ball five minutes per game that would likely help his percentages.
That's called regression to the mean. He may have shot higher than that last year but in the end, the dude is a really good shooter. I don't see that changing too much.
 

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bo is a very good shooter. Probably not in Oglesbys League, who Fran called the best shooter he'd ever seen
 

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Has anyone ever heard NLP's thoughts on Josh Oglesby? It'd be interesting to know.
 

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My biggest concern around expectations this year has to do with bohannon. He was playing out of his mind at the end of last year and people tend to measure potential off the High-water mark. I would be shocked if he maintained his three-point shooting percentage this year. We obviously look like a completely different team when he is going 6/8 from three point range each game.

If Connor can in fact play some point with Jordan playing off the ball five minutes per game that would likely help his percentages.
That might be true, but Iowa has 4 or 5 legit post scorers this year when they had maybe one last year. bohannon should have even more open shots.
Assuming the post scorers actually pass it back out.
The posts do a good job of passing it back out when doubled. If there is no double coming, there's no reason to pass it back out unless someone like JBo is wide open.
 

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In the first exhibition there appeared to be an emphasis on the early post up from the first big down court in transition, which can result in lots o wide open corner 3s.

Poor Josh, still catching crap on message boards. Lest anyone forget, he was the recruit that started turning things around for Hawks, including recruiting Woody and Mikey during the press conference announcing his signing.
 

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My biggest concern around expectations this year has to do with bohannon. He was playing out of his mind at the end of last year and people tend to measure potential off the High-water mark. I would be shocked if he maintained his three-point shooting percentage this year. We obviously look like a completely different team when he is going 6/8 from three point range each game.

If Connor can in fact play some point with Jordan playing off the ball five minutes per game that would likely help his percentages.
That might be true, but Iowa has 4 or 5 legit post scorers this year when they had maybe one last year. bohannon should have even more open shots.
Assuming the post scorers actually pass it back out.
Agree, we already know Cook isn't kicking it out. Garza looks to be very skilled black hole just judging by an exhibition game. Kreiner has shown some willingness to pass and Pemsl is a great passer.

I assume the game will slow down for Garza at some point and he will be a decent passer but with Cook I'm not sure. He seems to predetermine everything he does including his post moves without taking into account how the defense is playing him.
 

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Garza looks to be very skilled black hole
You've got to be fucking kidding.

Did you attend the game? Luka sure looked to me to have his eyes in the right place upon receipt of the ball. In fact in one stretch they ran a high low series where Luka was the designated passer from the high post.

I cringe to think what these boards will be like when Connor has a bad day.
 

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Poor Josh, still catching crap on message boards. Lest anyone forget, he was the recruit that started turning things around for Hawks, including recruiting Woody and Mikey during the press conference announcing his signing.
lol
 

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I remember promising myself during the press conference that I would never give Josh shit. He had way better options.
 

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Garza looks to be very skilled black hole
You've got to be fucking kidding.

Did you attend the game? Luka sure looked to me to have his eyes in the right place upon receipt of the ball. In fact in one stretch they ran a high low series where Luka was the designated passer from the high post.

I cringe to think what these boards will be like when Connor has a bad day.
Settle down big fella. I qualified that by saying one exhibition game but 1 assist, 4 turnovers, and forcing multiple shots when he had other bigs wide open begging for the ball doesn't scream great passer. I'll have to take a closer look at his eyes next game to judge his passing ability though.

Garza isn't really my concern though, he'll be fine. Cook is the guy that only passes as a last resort and will probably command the most help and therefore have the most opportunities for kick outs.
 

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In the first exhibition there appeared to be an emphasis on the early post up from the first big down court in transition, which can result in lots o wide open corner 3s.

Poor Josh, still catching crap on message boards. Lest anyone forget, he was the recruit that started turning things around for Hawks, including recruiting Woody and Mikey during the press conference announcing his signing.
He also tried to bring in Washpun. I blame Fran on that one.
 

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You know Brady will start, but I wouldn’t mind seeing some extended Dailey, NH
 

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That might be true, but Iowa has 4 or 5 legit post scorers this year when they had maybe one last year. bohannon should have even more open shots.
Assuming the post scorers actually pass it back out.
Agree, we already know Cook isn't kicking it out. Garza looks to be very skilled black hole just judging by an exhibition game. Kreiner has shown some willingness to pass and Pemsl is a great passer.

I assume the game will slow down for Garza at some point and he will be a decent passer but with Cook I'm not sure. He seems to predetermine everything he does including his post moves without taking into account how the defense is playing him.
Yeah, all of this is fucking stupid.
 

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Every program has dumb casual fans, but Iowa Basketball casual fans are incredibly stupid.
 

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this kid thinks he is Gus fucking johnson
 

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anyone else's stream shitty?
 

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Mikey where in the actual fuck are you. It’s october, accountants aren’t doing shit.
 

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Assuming the post scorers actually pass it back out.
Agree, we already know Cook isn't kicking it out. Garza looks to be very skilled black hole just judging by an exhibition game. Kreiner has shown some willingness to pass and Pemsl is a great passer.

I assume the game will slow down for Garza at some point and he will be a decent passer but with Cook I'm not sure. He seems to predetermine everything he does including his post moves without taking into account how the defense is playing him.
Yeah, all of this is fucking stupid.
The Garza comments are extreme extrapolation and I said as much. He's obviously confident and offensive minded, I just noticed him missing a few gimme assists in the first exhibition game.

Agree to disagree on the Cook comments. I don't know how many times last year he had his man beat on his first move in the post only to spin back into traffic for no reason. He also averaged one assist in about 25 minutes a game. I'm not saying he's not a stud, I'm just pointing out a few areas he struggled in at times.
 

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Not a whole lot from tonight, but here you go....

- Still awful defensively in man to man, especially at the guard spot.
- Garza is a stud and if he had another year to develop he would have gotten blue chip offers.
- Nunge is the real deal as well.
- This team is in big trouble if bohannon is out of the game
- Baer is so much better coming off the bench
- I'm glad he won't play much if at all this year, but sad to see Dom go from a guy playing out of his mind the first half of his sophomore year against teams like Michigan State to being the last scholarship player off the bench. Now he is on the floor with the scrubs and makes you think he might be the worst player on the court. Fran seems to have completely moved on from him.
- Moss isn't the key to them making the NCAA Tournament, but he is the key to this team being any better than a 8 seed who might win in the first round and get blown out in the second.
 
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Cook. 4 assists 0 turnovers tonight. Don't disagree he needed to improve, but looked fantastic tonight with decision making in the post.

As to Garza, yeah, just stupid stuff above. Struck again tonight by the size of his feet, shit. He's an total effort guy, we're gonna just love him. One play BAC made a hoop and Luka went to take it out, the ball was knocked away and went to the seats about ft level, the dude sprinted to get the ball and back to take it out. Had another play he missed a 12 footer right baseline and got the rebound and putback on the other side of the hoop. We got a center boyz, real deal. Works hard and smart defending the post too, both ex foes did have a legit post player.

BAC wasn't good enough to test us enough to really tell much. 11-0 start kinda made everything blah the rest of the half. Except Tyler and Luka (double double at halftime).

Nunge struggled first half, but still looked awesome to me. Moves his feet well, played a lot of 3, and also played the point on the full court 1-2-2 press. Looks extremely comfortable in all situations, just a baller.

Connor stuffed the stat sheet too, 4 assists 0 turns 3 steals. He knows the game and makes the right play time after time, could have had more assists. Looked pretty good on D too.

Pemsl and Cook's ft form is much improved. I'm talking bout practice.

First 2 subs were Baer at the 2 and Nunge at the 3. Talk about going big! Second half had McCaffery, Uhl, Cook, Pemsl, and Garza lineup for awhile too. Fran has some toys to play with going forward.

Dailey, nah, Uhl, nah, Wagner, limited situations only his jumper is not improved.

Billy Taylor's pregame interview on the radio was cool, best thing BAC brought to town.
 

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Not a whole lot from tonight, but here you go....

- Still awful defensively in man to man, especially at the guard spot.
- Garza is a stud and if he had another year to develop he would have gotten blue chip offers.
- Nunge is the real deal as well.
- This team is in big trouble if bohannon is out of the game
- Baer is so much better coming off the bench
- I'm glad he won't play much if at all this year, but sad to see Dom go from a guy playing out of his mind the first half of his sophomore year against teams like Michigan State to being the last scholarship player off the bench. Now he is on the floor with the scrubs and makes you think he might be the worst player on the court. Fran seems to have completely moved on from him.
- Moss isn't the key to them making the NCAA Tournament, but he is the key to this team being any better than a 8 seed who might win in the first round and get blown out in the second.
Pretty much agree, couple nitpicks. 2nd half on ball d from the guards was much better, even pretty good (Fran said that postgame). But zone is clearly in our future against probably 1/2 the conference. Trotted it out for just a couple minutes late and it looked bad.

Before Connor chucked the redshirt, team was completely fucked if JBo was out. Now I'm not so sure, Connor certainly has a more natural pg feel for the game than JBo. With Moss back we could do just fine. The Connor JBo time was interesting again tonight.

Any P5 conference ever have a repeat, or even 3 time, 6th man of the year?

Uhl got his career highlight with Germany trip. Had to laugh slightly, both games he started sitting right next to the coaches with warmups off. Move down as guys come out, down down down. Won't ever have the consistency to be trusted imo.
 

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Cook. 4 assists 0 turnovers tonight. Don't disagree he needed to improve, but looked fantastic tonight with decision making in the post.

As to Garza, yeah, just stupid stuff above. Struck again tonight by the size of his feet, shit. He's an total effort guy, we're gonna just love him. One play BAC made a hoop and Luka went to take it out, the ball was knocked away and went to the seats about ft level, the dude sprinted to get the ball and back to take it out. Had another play he missed a 12 footer right baseline and got the rebound and putback on the other side of the hoop. We got a center boyz, real deal. Works hard and smart defending the post too, both ex foes did have a legit post player.

BAC wasn't good enough to test us enough to really tell much. 11-0 start kinda made everything blah the rest of the half. Except Tyler and Luka (double double at halftime).

Nunge struggled first half, but still looked awesome to me. Moves his feet well, played a lot of 3, and also played the point on the full court 1-2-2 press. Looks extremely comfortable in all situations, just a baller.

Connor stuffed the stat sheet too, 4 assists 0 turns 3 steals. He knows the game and makes the right play time after time, could have had more assists. Looked pretty good on D too.

Pemsl and Cook's ft form is much improved. I'm talking bout practice.

First 2 subs were Baer at the 2 and Nunge at the 3. Talk about going big! Second half had McCaffery, Uhl, Cook, Pemsl, and Garza lineup for awhile too. Fran has some toys to play with going forward.

Dailey, nah, Uhl, nah, Wagner, limited situations only his jumper is not improved.

Billy Taylor's pregame interview on the radio was cool, best thing BAC brought to town.
Agree on Cook. He finally showed a little patience in the post. Instead of getting the ball and making a move immediately he held the ball for a second or two and allowed guys to make cuts and made the defense make a decision. I sometimes forget the kid is a sophomore because he played so much last year but if he can continue to show that patience he's going to make the game a lot easier for a lot of his teammates.
 

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I think I've read LWade's quote and then watched Verbal's gif 15 times tonight, and I have loled hard every time.

You have to read the quote first, then watch.
 

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The funniest part of the above highlight is that we were busy giving up 2 easy layups in between the dunk.
 

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The funniest part of the above highlight is that we were busy giving up 2 easy layups in between the dunk.
They are so fucking bad defensively. Fran has to fix that at some point. Hire someone who knows what the fuck they are doing.
 

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Ball screen at half court. That's a hedge. Ball screen in the back court. That's a hedge. Ball screen in the locker room. That's a hedge.
 

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I think I've read LWade's quote and then watched Verbal's gif 15 times tonight, and I have loled hard every time.

You have to read the quote first, then watch.
:roflmao::roflmao:
 

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Ball screen at half court. That's a hedge. Ball screen in the back court. That's a hedge. Ball screen in the locker room. That's a hedge.
Not only a hedge, but the 6'10'' big man MUST chase him another 20 feet from the hoop while a simple pass to the wing and entry or drive to the post results in a layup in the space vacated by the big man 45 feet away from the hoop on a PG now.
 

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Hawks are going to have to average about 90 points a game in the Big Ten to finish 500. The Big 12 Conference thinks that's some bad defense
 

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Hawks are going to have to average about 90 points a game in the Big Ten to finish 500. The Big 12 Conference thinks that's some bad defense
Nah, they will figure it out enough. As bad as they are on defense, they were so much worse last year and had a tougher schedule and still managed to finish above .500 in conference.
 

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Way too early to tell of course but this feels like a year where we'd be a lot better if Fran substituted like a 'normal' coach. bohannon, Moss, Baer, Cook, Garza is a tasty lineup and I'd love to see it 25+ minutes a game, with Pemsl and Nunge getting the most bench minutes and McCaffery, Wagner, Ellingson and Kriener playing sparingly unless needed (foul trouble, injuries).

Instead I reckon Cook and bohannon will get 30 minutes a game, Moss and Garza 25, and the other 7 will split the rest of the minutes annoyingly evenly
 
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