**2021 Iowa Basketball Offseason Thread**

[MikeyJoe]

I also think the average person would be shocked how hard it is to make money on Instagram or TickTock or YouTube even with tens of thousands of followers.

 

[The Incredible Hawk]

I love how this is thrown out as though the average HaLo poster would know who they are.

They play for Fresno State. If you have ever browsed Tik Tok, it is likely they have popped up on your feed.

 

[Bob Sanders]

I love how this is thrown out as though the average HaLo poster would know who they are.

I had no idea either, but these are the most recent posts on their Instagrams. I'm sure their following is just a bunch of high school girls who love basketball.

 

[Thomas Wolsey]

I also think the average person would be shocked how hard it is to make money on Instagram or TickTock or YouTube even with tens of thousands of followers.

You have to be really popular on those platforms. I don’t see a justifiable reason to prevent them from making money, but someone with 45k followers isn’t making 100k a year.

 

[SteadyEddy]

I also think the average person would be shocked how hard it is to make money on Instagram or TickTock or YouTube even with tens of thousands of followers.

While I think you're right that most wouldn't make much, I get a kick out of old man halo who still thinks these kids would only make money schlepping commercials for the local Kia dealership.

 

[HerkyHopeful]

They've clearly got some phat asses, but I know nothing if their basketball skillz

 

[The Incredible Hawk]

They've clearly got some phat asses, but I know nothing if their basketball skillz

Haley Cavinder - Women's Basketball - Fresno State

Haley Cavinder (1) G - 2022 All-Mountain West 2021 Mountain West Player of the Year 2021 All-Mountain West 2021 Mountain West All-Tournament Team 2...

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Hanna Cavinder - Women's Basketball - Fresno State

Hanna Cavinder (0) G - 2021 All-Mountain West 2020 All-Mountain West 2020 All-Freshman Team 2021-22 (Junior): Started all 29 games … averaged 37...

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[Bob Sanders]

While I think you're right that most wouldn't make much, I get a kick out of old man halo who still thinks these kids would only make money schlepping commercials for the local Kia dealership.

Aside from whatever licensing fee they get from EA for the new CFB game, a small percentage of athletes will make significant NIL money outside of their local area. Stars like Trevor Lawrence will be in national ads and those with large social media followings will make cash from sponsorships. Shoe companies will give out a bunch of free shoes deals, but probably not much cash to players who aren't stars.

The rest is going to be local, booster-driven stuff like Deery Ford giving Tristan Wirfs a truck and paying him to appear in an ad.

 

[MikeyJoe]

Aside from whatever licensing fee they get from EA for the new CFB game, a small percentage of athletes will make significant NIL money outside of their local area. Stars like Trevor Lawrence will be in national ads and those with large social media followings will make cash from sponsorships. Shoe companies will give out a bunch of free shoes deals, but probably not much cash to players who aren't stars.

The rest is going to be local, booster-driven stuff like Deery Ford giving Tristan Wirfs a truck and paying him to appear in an ad.

People also overestimate how much money is out there for this type of stuff. Locally for Chicago pro teams, it's pretty big stars that are even in local ads, much less national. I don't know that I've ever seen like a Denzel Valentine ad.

None of that changes the fact that I'm in favor of these guys having the right to pursue it. I just think the Jon Millers of the world who think a significant number of these kids are missing out on hundreds of thousands are delusional.

 

[Hawk_Kegmasters]

Haley Cavinder - Women's Basketball - Fresno State

Haley Cavinder (1) G - 2022 All-Mountain West 2021 Mountain West Player of the Year 2021 All-Mountain West 2021 Mountain West All-Tournament Team 2...

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Hanna Cavinder - Women's Basketball - Fresno State

Hanna Cavinder (0) G - 2021 All-Mountain West 2020 All-Mountain West 2020 All-Freshman Team 2021-22 (Junior): Started all 29 games … averaged 37...

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We don’t care.

 

[MikeyJoe]

While I think you're right that most wouldn't make much, I get a kick out of old man halo who still thinks these kids would only make money schlepping commercials for the local Kia dealership.

The girls in the Instagram above have a YT page - looks like they're posting a video about once a week that gets 30-40k views.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq2CgDty3gtzjurTCX09V_A/videos

Even if they were able to monetize them, you're talking about making something like ~$100 per video. I suppose you could argue that if they were able to monetize then they'd put a lot more effort into promoting it, but again - this kind of stuff is actually really hard to make money on.

 

[newsbreaker]

People also overestimate how much money is out there for this type of stuff. Locally for Chicago pro teams, it's pretty big stars that are even in local ads, much less national. I don't know that I've ever seen like a Denzel Valentine ad.

None of that changes the fact that I'm in favor of these guys having the right to pursue it. I just think the Jon Millers of the world who think a significant number of these kids are missing out on hundreds of thousands are delusional.

This is correct. Jon (and those like him) hear about the big money some are making as "influencers" and think that all these kids have to do is sign up, and the checks start arriving. It requires actual effort. Just having followers isn't the gig.

There will be some who make a little money, but by and large it will be very small amounts.

 

[Bob Sanders]

People also overestimate how much money is out there for this type of stuff. Locally for Chicago pro teams, it's pretty big stars that are even in local ads, much less national. I don't know that I've ever seen like a Denzel Valentine ad.

None of that changes the fact that I'm in favor of these guys having the right to pursue it. I just think the Jon Millers of the world who think a significant number of these kids are missing out on hundreds of thousands are delusional.

It's going to be interesting to see it all play out. I suspect that in the long term quite a few athletes will pursue social media platforms that allow fans to pay them directly. If you have name recognition, there is more money to be had in the world of Twitch subscriptions, Youtube channels with Join buttons, Patreon, etc. than there is in sponsorships/ads. The next next JBo will definitely be touting all of the behind the scenes access you get to his podcast on Patreon. He won't get rich, but it's not hard to imagine him making a couple thousand a month off of it.

At some point, an athlete will open an OF and there will be a big uproar about whether schools can dictate the content their athletes can put out.

 

[MikeyJoe]

It's going to be interesting to see it all play out. I suspect that in the long term quite a few athletes will pursue social media platforms that allow fans to pay them directly. If you have name recognition, there is more money to be had in the world of Twitch subscriptions, Youtube channels with Join buttons, Patreon, etc. than there is in sponsorships/ads. The next next JBo will definitely be touting all of the behind the scenes access you get to his podcast on Patreon. He won't get rich, but it's not hard to imagine him making a couple thousand a month off of it.

At some point, an athlete will open an OF and there will be a big uproar about whether schools can dictate the content their athletes can put out.

I also think as it plays out, this will highlight how much of the value of the athletes' "name, image, and likeness" is actually derived from their affiliation with the University rather than the other way around.

 

[BluesHawk]

I also think as it plays out, this will highlight how much of the value of the athletes' "name, image, and likeness" is actually derived from their affiliation with the University rather than the other way around.

All of it?

 

[MikeyJoe]

All of it?

Right. For every Luka Garza there's like 1,000 Jordan Bohannons.

 

[CleteyColgate]

The girls in the Instagram above have a YT page - looks like they're posting a video about once a week that gets 30-40k views.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq2CgDty3gtzjurTCX09V_A/videos

Even if they were able to monetize them, you're talking about making something like ~$100 per video. I suppose you could argue that if they were able to monetize then they'd put a lot more effort into promoting it, but again - this kind of stuff is actually really hard to make money on.

How the fuck is any of this conversation related to Iowa offseason basketball?

 

[BluesHawk]

How the fuck is any of this conversation related to Iowa offseason basketball?

Thread titles are loose guidelines.

 

[CleteyColgate]

Thread titles are loose guidelines.

I might start my own thread to cover Iowa basketball

 

[thrawn]

I also think as it plays out, this will highlight how much of the value of the athletes' "name, image, and likeness" is actually derived from their affiliation with the University rather than the other way around.

It isn’t a precise comparison, and in theory NIL rights values could have no cap, but if you look back at any pay for play scandal, the top guys families are allegedly getting like $100k or so. And that’s for a Cam Newton (dad allegedly asked for $120k) or Brian Bowen (McD AA, $100k) type recruits.

 

[Bob Sanders]

I created a megathread for NIL talk. https://www.hawkeyelounge.com/threads/ncaa-name-and-likeness-nil-megathread.220427/

 

[Revolver]

They play for Fresno State. If you have ever browsed Tik Tok, it is likely they have popped up on your feed.

@FrodoTBaggin ?

 

[Dr. Zaius]

They haven’t shown up on my TikTok feed, LawnTok has been dominating the feed lately

 

[YugoslavianMountainHound]

I assume he is going pro in something other than sports. Some kind of henchman probably.

 

[Stu Beagle]

I guess everyone in IL can go back to ignoring college basketball

 

[kenos]

I assume he is going pro in something other than sports. Some kind of henchman probably.

breaking arms > shooting bunnies

 

[Saul Berkley]

I guess everyone in IL can go back to ignoring college basketball

Pretty much. They lose almost everyone except Curbelo.

 

[Judge Kemp]

you guys realize there are a lot of people on the internet who aren’t thirsty middle aged men, right? she has 45k insta followers which is pretty good for 19 yo who isn’t sexualized much if at all

Athletes with 50-100K followers could definitely make money on social media with sponsored posts, but we’re talking $100-300 for a small series of posts.

Nothing to turn down if you are a college kid, but assuming you find 52 sponsors to cover every week of the year you’re looking at <$10-15K a year.

 

[thrawn]

Athletes with 50-100K followers could definitely make money on social media with sponsored posts, but we’re talking $100-300 for a small series of posts.

Nothing to turn down if you are a college kid, but assuming you find 52 sponsors to cover every week of the year you’re looking at <$10-15K a year.

I’m mostly just pushing back against the Halo dorks who want every woman to do porn instead of their craft.

 

[The Dad]

Pretty much. They lose almost everyone except Curbelo.

He should portal his ass to Iowa.

 

[Shpadoinkle]

He should portal his ass to Iowa.

I fuckin hate that dude. I would love to love him.

 

[BBK]

Those chicks are like 8.5s, which is fine, but I bet they cant fuck for shit.

Id hit it, but that many followers? It says more about the state of the typical American woman than it does about their aesthetic quality.

They wouldnt get a head turn in Copacabana Beach.

 

[HiawathaHawk]

By all accounts it’s Iowa or Vandy for Robbins. Man he’s an enormous swing piece for next year’s team. If you add him you can legitimately be a good defensive team and as athletic as we’ve been in a long time.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

I’m mostly just pushing back against the Halo dorks who want every woman to do porn instead of their craft.

You sound stupid

 

[CurdMan]

By all accounts it’s Iowa or Vandy for Robbins. Man he’s an enormous swing piece for next year’s team. If you add him you can legitimately be a good defensive team and as athletic as we’ve been in a long time.

I get it’s his uncle but man..not like it’s his dad. I can’t imagine following anyone to a shit program like Vandy.

 

[jabberjaw]

I get it’s his uncle but man..not like it’s his dad. I can’t imagine following anyone to a shit program like Vandy.

Vandy has been to two Sweet Sixteens since Iowa’s last.

 

[CurdMan]

Vandy has been to two Sweet Sixteens since Iowa’s last.

I’m sure a pair of s16s 15-20 years ago will be the deciding factor for Liam

 

[HiawathaHawk]

Vandy has been to two Sweet Sixteens since Iowa’s last.

They’ve also gone 12-48 in conference the last 4 years.

 

[BBK]

I’m mostly just pushing back against the Halo dorks who want every woman to do porn instead of their craft.

Porn certainly isn't for everyone.

Some women are just born with an extreme amount of sexuality and are built like fuck machines.

Other women spend their entire lives in the gym, honing their craft to make a five figure salary in a job nobody watches.

 

[Stomper15]

Stackhouse just brought in two 4 stars yesterday. One would compete for playing time with Liam so that could be good for Fran's chances.

>>Lee Dort, a 6-foot-9 center, and Noah Shelby, a 6-2 guard, both committed to the Commodores for the 2022 class. They are four-star prospects, according to the 247Sports Composite, and teammates at Greenhill School in Addison, Texas.<<

Those two pair with two 3 stars -- top ~150s that he also brought in.

4-star teammates commit to Vanderbilt basketball for Jerry Stackhouse's biggest recruiting win

Jerry Stackhouse enjoyed the biggest recruiting moment of his Vanderbilt tenure Wednesday night, landing two of the top high school players in the country.

www.tennessean.com

Vanderbilt 2021 Basketball Commits

Vanderbilt

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Regardless, a cool job for Liam's Uncle...and as an assistant, can't hurt to network in Stackhouse's network.

 

[kenos]

All probably reasons why Robbins will go to Vandy, along with it being a small, affluent school in a regional finance hub where he could potentially make more networking connections for his post-basketball career than he could in Iowa City.

 

[HiawathaHawk]

If they’re ‘22 recruits it won’t have any effect on Robbins.

 

[kenos]

It could, insofar as those kids, and Stackhouse, raise Vandy's "brand recognition". As much as we'd like to think that a college kid would make a pretty rational decision, such things can sway a young man to choose the wrong school (i.e., anywhere other than Iowa).

 

[CurdMan]

First trip over to Kakerts site in about a decade. The poster who apparently has a connection to Liam’s family said the decision will come by next week.

 

[CleteyColgate]

First trip over to Kakerts site in about a decade. The poster who apparently has a connection to Liam’s family said the decision will come by next week.

Probably want to make sure his uncle's hire is announced first.

 

[jabberjaw]

First trip over to Kakerts site in about a decade. The poster who apparently has a connection to Liam’s family said the decision will come by next week.

So Tom has kept his lips zipped for at least a whole week now.

 

[hawkstud44]

If they’re ‘22 recruits it won’t have any effect on Robbins.

Liam will technically have two years to play. Fwiw.

 

[BuffettHawk]

 

[TJones3312]

 

[Debit One]

Jack's hairline hasn't been that healthy since fifth grade.