**2021 Iowa Basketball Offseason Thread**

[Shawneemicks]

Yep

 

[CamelTones]

Recruiting out of state kids is going to suck moving forward because the odds are pretty good that if they excel they'll be looking to move closer to home.

You're better off getting in state players and filling in with transfers. There was smoke that Luka was looking to transfer to Maryland or Georgetown at one point.

 

[hawkstud44]

Cj's uncle on Facebook since early March.

 

[Hawkstrat]

Fran doesn't have an under-the-radar approach.

 

[kenos]

Until we get some positive news, here's some negative hypotheticals:

Imagine the new rules had been passed in 2011.

Does Marble transfer to Michigan, Michigan State?
Does White leave for OSU?

I suspect that Fran won't adapt well to the new market. Downward slope coming.

 

[ivan_drago]

Recruiting out of state kids is going to suck moving forward because the odds are pretty good that if they excel they'll be looking to move closer to home.

You're better off getting in state players and filling in with transfers. There was smoke that Luka was looking to transfer to Maryland or Georgetown at one point.

Yep. The one time transfer rule is going to do nothing but fuck the talent-less states like Iowa.

 

[HiawathaHawk]

Recruiting out of state kids is going to suck moving forward because the odds are pretty good that if they excel they'll be looking to move closer to home.

You're better off getting in state players and filling in with transfers. There was smoke that Luka was looking to transfer to Maryland or Georgetown at one point.

Or you get an in state kid like Adam Miller who starts every game as a freshman for a 1 seed and still bounces. It’s crazy. Hope you get kids with a good support system that aren’t going to buy into BS from peripheral people getting in their ear but good luck.

 

[StinkyMcFadden]

It's good to see that his uncle is a complete fucking faggot.

I wish them both nothing but failure.

 

[ivan_drago]

I don’t normally bag on kids who transfer but the timing is shitty and he’s probably getting paid off. Fuck him.

 

[HerkyHopeful]

I hope Joe Fredrick drops something heavy on CJs foot the moment they step on campus at Kentucky

 

[Lee Beevers]

What a punk ass bitch. I will not be cheering for him the rest of the way.

 

[Stu Beagle]

Before it became obvious Wieskamp was likely gone Fran was looking at this starting 5 next year:

Toussaint or Connor
Fredrick
Wieskamp
Keegan Murray
Nunge

Now he’s looking at guys that started at North Dakota.

The Fredrick rumor has been ongoing for awhile, specifically Matt Jones. Not sure why anyone thought Wieskamp would come back. There was never a chance next year wasn’t going to suck

 

[HerkyHopeful]

Frans going to land Marcus Carr now right?

 

[Thomas Wolsey]

Frans going to land Marcus Carr now right?

 

[CamelTones]

The shit with his uncle doesn’t make any sense. The only reason he was at Iowa to begin with was because of his uncle playing for Fran and the fact that the local schools other than Xavier ignored him. Now they’re turning around and pulling the rug out from under Fran. He chose to walk on at Iowa. I’m gonna guess he could have walked on at Kentucky if he would have wanted to.

 

[Stu Beagle]

Welcome to the future of college basketball. Sort of funny how many times we laughed at Xavier Foster and Iowa State and how things flipped around completely in a matter of months, and here we are now looking at it flipping completely around again.

If a program like Iowa and a coach like Fran can't keep Fredrick around after their shared connections and history, then I don't have a clue who you can ever count on keeping.

I understand that Fredrick is from Kentucky and likely feels like that is too good of an option to pass up, but it fucking sucks and is a bad sign for any coach that isn't ready and willing to be a total scumbag going forward.

I don’t feel bad for any coach not stupid enough to be a total scum bag going forward

 

[Thomas Wolsey]

I don’t feel bad for any coach not stupid enough to be a total scum bag going forward

???

 

[CamelTones]

The Fredrick rumor has been ongoing for awhile, specifically Matt Jones. Not sure why anyone thought Wieskamp would come back. There was never a chance next year wasn’t going to suck

I was talking early November when it was discussed about Iowa post Luka and how they were still set up pretty well even if Wieskamp left.

 

[kenos]

Fran doesn't have an under-the-radar approach.

Look at the guys who actually come for official visits.

 

[turtley78]

???

I think he meant “stupid enough to not be a total scumbag”

 

[SuperHans]

The shit with his uncle doesn’t make any sense. The only reason he was at Iowa to begin with was because of his uncle playing for Fran and the fact that the local schools other than Xavier ignored him. Now they’re turning around and pulling the rug out from under Fran. He chose to walk on at Iowa. I’m gonna guess he could have walked on at Kentucky if he would have wanted to.

walk on at Iowa?

 

[Greg Obrecht]

Fran's "under the radar" approach may start to backfire with the new transfer rules. Out of state kids come in, develop, then leave for perceived bigger, better programs.

Ya mean this is going to favor the blue bloods....who woulda thunk it?

 

[Hawkstrat]

walk on at Iowa?

Greyshirt

 

[TJones3312]

Ya mean this is going to favor the blue bloods....who woulda thunk it?

Guess whois back!

 

[HerkyHopeful]

I hope CJ's entire family gets fucked.

Also hope that volleyball player CJ was dating dropped him because he was too chunky

 

[Thomas Wolsey]

I hope CJ's entire family gets fucked.

Also hope that volleyball player CJ was dating dropped him because he was too chunky

I also hope his foot problems stick with him his entire career and Cal keels over during a game.

 

[douglasbader]

I hate to be that guy, but what the fuck are we teaching kids / young men at this point? There are going to be generations of flighty flaky fucks with no principles that don't have a backbone or sense of loyalty.

 

[SuperHans]

 

[Lee Beevers]

I hate to be that guy, but what the fuck are we teaching kids / young men at this point? There are going to be generations of flighty flaky fucks with no principles that don't have a backbone or sense of loyalty.

What a punk ass bitch. One of my favorite moments in recent Iowa basketball was when CJ told a Brevin Pritzl to “get the fuck out of my gym” after a Iowa Wisconsin game before Covid. Fuck him for being such a pussy.

 

[Dolomitey]

I’m going to cheer against him any time I see him, but if I was a chunky shooter with middling abilities off the bounce and bad feet, I’d really want to keep playing with a strong post presence.

 

[Shawneemicks]

I’ve been one of the few consistently saying IDGAF about the players freedoms, NIL, Etc.
All this shit does is make a mediocre product to watch even worse.
In the end I’m the consumer of this shit & every year I watch less of it. Throw in the worst officiating of any sport on the planet & if it’s not Iowa I didn’t watch a single minute.

I will now predict that with this level of player movement/freedom we will eventually see some schools quit playing basketball. They simply won’t have the time, money, etc to recruit 8 guys every year. Not at the P5 level but definitely small programs.

God help us all if(more likely when) it ruins cfb.

 

[Soda Popinski]

Fuck everything.

 

[Greg Obrecht]

I don’t wish him well the rest of the way.

 

[scottsdalehawk]

Perhaps JoBo can join Fredrick at 7-16 Kentucky considering they both scored as many points as you and I in their last games as Hawkeyes.

 

[The Tin Man]

CJ to UK makes sense as he is already on the Jared Lorenzen eating plan.

 

[HerkyHopeful]

I hope Iowa basketball puts out a statement wishing him well at Kentucky before he ever (publicly) mentions going to Kentucky. It would be ballsy, and also say fuck you to the Frederick family at the same time (I no longer need to use his stupid spelling of the name, it's now CJ Frederick)

 

[BngHawk]

 

[Herky823]

I’ve been one of the few consistently saying IDGAF about the players freedoms, NIL, Etc.
All this shit does is make a mediocre product to watch even worse.
In the end I’m the consumer of this shit & every year I watch less of it. Throw in the worst officiating of any sport on the planet & if it’s not Iowa I didn’t watch a single minute.

I will now predict that with this level of player movement/freedom we will eventually see some schools quit playing basketball. They simply won’t have the time, money, etc to recruit 8 guys every year. Not at the P5 level but definitely small programs.

God help us all if(more likely when) it ruins cfb.

Yep.

I'm fine with players leaving, and Iowa will benefit in some cases as well, but it'll basically make college basketball less enjoyable for all but the top 15 or so programs.

 

[BluesHawk]

I hate to be that guy, but what the fuck are we teaching kids / young men at this point? There are going to be generations of flighty flaky fucks with no principles that don't have a backbone or sense of loyalty.

You should absolutely be that guy, we need more people being that guy. I've long been of the opinion that's I'd prefer coaches like Fran and Kirk who actually take that part of coaching seriously and try and do the right thing instead of being sleazy with the "win at all costs" mentality.

It sometimes sucks though. Next year is going to be hard to watch.

 

[Orestes]

I’ve been one of the few consistently saying IDGAF about the players freedoms, NIL, Etc.
All this shit does is make a mediocre product to watch even worse.
In the end I’m the consumer of this shit & every year I watch less of it. Throw in the worst officiating of any sport on the planet & if it’s not Iowa I didn’t watch a single minute.

I will now predict that with this level of player movement/freedom we will eventually see some schools quit playing basketball. They simply won’t have the time, money, etc to recruit 8 guys every year. Not at the P5 level but definitely small programs.

God help us all if(more likely when) it ruins cfb.

I tend to ignore most of Shawnee's takes from the margins of rational thought, but this is where I'm at. Throw in the fact that cheating is rampant and overlooked by those that are supposed to police it.

 

[CUIHAWK]

7 isn't exactly a great starting point.

 

[StinkyMcFadden]

1 Murray
2 Murray
3 Joe T
4 Connor
5 Pat
6 Perkins
7 Ogundele
8 Sandfort
9 Ulis

 

[douglasbader]

His uncle is everything wrong with the world today in college basketball. His entire posting history is about God and loyalty and motivational quotes and doing things the right way and toughness and similar shit.

Then a simple browse through his comments show that Uncle Joe clearly was pushing CJ for months to leave Iowa and go to Kentucky because someone had clearly reached out to him or CJ and let him know there was an offer on the table. It goes against every single thing the douchebag posts.

Now you get to where it is actually happening, and instead of taking any responsibility and owning up to it, it is of course so much easier to blame others or "haters" and then act like you and CJ have done nothing wrong and are classy and it is everyone else who is the problem.

Fuck him and fuck CJ.

 

[Harlan]

That fucker on Twitter?

 

[JD720]

7 isn't exactly a great starting point.

Technically, we have 8 (hopefully Kenyon just miscounted and there isn't any more news coming) plus 2 incoming freshmen. Still, 10 players is still pretty light considering some of them are unknowns at this point. There's no reason to call out fans for being concerned about the roster at this point.

 

[StinkyMcFadden]

If the Murrays are close in talent, we will be athletic as fuck for an Iowa basketball team.

 

[douglasbader]

I am tying to remember a bigger douchebag. This is the sort of guy you are dealing with....

 

[HerkyHopeful]

It sucks, but this is also an opportunity to change the team's makeup. Get a more athletic backcourt. You don't have to sacrifice 3 point shooting to do this but right now it appears what will happen.

Sure would be nice if Weezy was back for his senior year, but with CJ leaving I think any hope of that is now gone.

 

[HerkyHopeful]

1 Murray
2 Murray
3 Joe T
4 Connor
5 Pat
6 Perkins
7 Ogundele
8 Sandfort
9 Ulis

10 Mulvey

 

[Saul Berkley]

I am tying to remember a bigger douchebag. This is the sort of guy you are dealing with....

LOL. Son, Brother, Dad, Winner. Yea, ok.

Dude looks like a used car salesman. Got a real Uncle Rico here, boys.