Kirk’s son, Kirk’s son, Kirk’s son, Brian Ferentz (Kirk's back in the fight, boyz!!)

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The only possible outcome where this doesn't happen is if he's wildly successful and stays until he's ready to retire...was never very likely. Far more coaches get fired of asked to resign than get to leave on their own terms, thus there was always a damned good chance this uncomfortable situation was going to be at the end of the tunnel.
Honestly, even if Brian was mildly competent (like Ken O'Keefe levels, who in retrospect should be getting a shit ton more credit), then people would have grumbled but it wouldn't have gotten ugly.

The fact that Brian ended up the worst offensive coordinator in all of football make this all 10x worse.
 

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He is disputing that he had a meeting with Beth, Bryan and the president, and also said he learned about it when reading the press release over the weekend.
No that’s not quite what he said. He saw the same press release that went out on Monday, over the weekend.
 

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By the way, this is why he's going to keep doubling down on Bacon.

Now it's not just about his own assessment of the players. It's about resenting other people questioning his assessment of the players.
Ding.....Ding....Ding....

I echo many of the thoughts above. It's sad. Legitimately sad. But there is no escaping the conclusion here: he's no longer fit to lead
 

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Yeah it’s gonna suck to see Kirk go. But I cant handle another season with this offense
 

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Kirk has been the king of Iowa football for decades now. He's just fundamentally not used to answering to anyone. And over the course of those decades, he's been generally successful and has largely earned that right.

But that seems to have turned into arrogance, and that combined that with hiring his son who underperformed ended up being a disaster. He doesn't see it because he doesn't want to see it, because it's his son. And he's not used to objectively answering to anyone else, and fundamentally seems to resent the idea of outside influence. Just a shitty end of a career for a guy who did a lot for the university.

I mainly agree with @douglasbader about being pissed at Brian. He should have had some goddamned pride and left before this year.
I think Brian is a dull human; entitled, with a pretty low level of self-awareness. But someone could listen to that and not at least see, at least partially, how he got that way in the first place is beyond me.
 

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I think he handled that as good as he possibly could and he said about what I expected him to say. I guess I didn't read in to all of it as deep as everyone else. Lol. If he would have said something along the lines of "I was disappointed with the decision and the timing of it", it obviously would have been easier to read in to. He avoided it pretty well. I can't tell you if he's done this year or not from that.

I still like Kirk and think he's a great human being. Hope he sticks around for a few more years and wins.
I agree with everything but the last sentence and only because I just think it’s time. But if he stayed I wouldn’t be pissed.
 

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Honestly, even if Brian was mildly competent (like Ken O'Keefe levels, who in retrospect should be getting a shit ton more credit), then people would have grumbled but it wouldn't have gotten ugly.

The fact that Brian ended up the worst offensive coordinator in all of football make this all 10x worse.
It wasn't simply the fact that Brian was objectively terrible. It was that Kirk chose to handle nearly every question about it in the most stubborn, arrogant way possible. People are forgiving, especially Iowa fans as it relates to an incredibly successful coach. What changed was Kirk not just refusing to acknowledge this...but acting like anyone that dared suggest there was an issue that needed to be addressed was just a total dumbfuck

He made a difficult situation roughly 1000 times worse
 

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By the way, this is why he's going to keep doubling down on Bacon.

Now it's not just about his own assessment of the players. It's about resenting other people questioning his assessment of the players.
This, above all, is why I think the fucker needs to go. He has become so stubborn, jaded and hostile to any outside opinion. His sensitivity to them dictates his decisions, and when questioned on it, his reflex is to shit on the players.
 

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The more this goes on, the more I'm furious at Brian above all others. He's a full grown adult that is the son of a really good man and quality human being that would do anything for him.

Instead of doing the right thing, he ruined his father's legacy. Fucking piece of shit asshole.
 

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By the way, this is why he's going to keep doubling down on Bacon.

Now it's not just about his own assessment of the players. It's about resenting other people questioning his assessment of the players.
I hesitate even asking this bc it’s gonna be interpreted as “loved and defended” but Do really think Kirk would be that vindictive?

I actually think it’s an even worse scenario..they just suck at recruiting QBs. I think a lot of HaLo just assumes that there’s no way possible the #2 could be worse.
 

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The announcement now has to be due to recruiting. I can't think of another (or at least a more likely) reason. They must be getting blowback from all the negative recruiting going on re Brian. The only other reason I can think of is that they're trying to make Kirk retire.
Beth wouldn’t know much about recruiting blowback but she would know a lot about people telling them to fuck off with their checkbooks
 

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We will now see the true character of Kirk. He has a building full of people to consider the next 4 weeks. Does he burn the building down or trash it on the way out screwing over everyone, or does he follow what Hayden Fry taught him and help hand it off while preserving the support staff and a lot of his assistant coaches.

I'm going to hope that he does the latter. He'll get some time to process this, the right people will talk to him and he can have a positive role in handing over the program. In my opinion, the best option would be to make sure Phil Parker, Seth Wallace, LeVar Woods and others stay around.
 

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The more this goes on, the more I'm furious at Brian above all others. He's a full grown adult that is the son of a really good man and quality human being that would do anything for him.

Instead of doing the right thing, he ruined his father's legacy. Fucking piece of shit asshole.
he was going to quit and his dad talked him out of it.
 

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We will now see the true character of Kirk. He has a building full of people to consider the next 4 weeks. Does he burn the building down or trash it on the way out screwing over everyone, or does he follow what Hayden Fry taught him and help hand it off while preserving the support staff and a lot of his assistant coaches.

I'm going to hope that he does the latter. He'll get some time to process this, the right people will talk to him and he can have a positive role in handing over the program. In my opinion, the best option would be to make sure Phil Parker, Seth Wallace, LeVar Woods and others stay around.
I've been thinking about that because there's a lot of speculation about Kirk retiring but Phil and Levar sticking around. Has there ever been a situation where a new coach from outside the program takes over the new job and keeps most of the old coaching staff? I honestly don't know, because I never track the assistant coaches, but it seems like any new coach would want to bring in his own staff.
 

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I hesitate even asking this bc it’s gonna be interpreted as “loved and defended” but Do really think Kirk would be that vindictive?

I actually think it’s an even worse scenario..they just suck at recruiting QBs. I think a lot of HaLo just assumes that there’s no way possible the #2 could be worse.
i think both are true. They suck at recruiting QBs and suck at evaluating the relative shittiness of those they do land. They sucked at evaluation before they started recruiting exclusively shitty QBs.
 

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i think both are true. They suck at recruiting QBs and suck at evaluating the relative shittiness of those they do land. They sucked at evaluation before they started recruiting exclusively shitty QBs.
Which is different than blatantly not playing someone simply bc they won’t let outside opinions dictate anything.
 

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I hesitate even asking this bc it’s gonna be interpreted as “loved and defended” but Do really think Kirk would be that vindictive?

I actually think it’s an even worse scenario..they just suck at recruiting QBs. I think a lot of HaLo just assumes that there’s no way possible the #2 could be worse.
I would normally agree with you but we saw Labas play already. He’s not good but he’s better than what Hill has been.
 

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We will now see the true character of Kirk. He has a building full of people to consider the next 4 weeks. Does he burn the building down or trash it on the way out screwing over everyone, or does he follow what Hayden Fry taught him and help hand it off while preserving the support staff and a lot of his assistant coaches.

I'm going to hope that he does the latter. He'll get some time to process this, the right people will talk to him and he can have a positive role in handing over the program. In my opinion, the best option would be to make sure Phil Parker, Seth Wallace, LeVar Woods and others stay around.
LOL. Stop it. There is not even a remote chance KF fucks over the university. None. He may not say goodbye and thanks to Beth on the way out, but that’s about as far as anything negative is going to go.
 

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I hesitate even asking this bc it’s gonna be interpreted as “loved and defended” but Do really think Kirk would be that vindictive?

I actually think it’s an even worse scenario..they just suck at recruiting QBs. I think a lot of HaLo just assumes that there’s no way possible the #2 could be worse.
Personally, no...I don't think he would. We all know how risk and change-averse he is and I think that's what is essentially driving his decision making. He's more comfortable with the QB he knows - even if he's terrible - than the one he doesn't.

And yes, I think he and Brian are bad at QB evaluation and as former linemen, they never learned to value it properly. What they look for and value is not what today's top QBs are trained to be. This is where a good, modern QB coach would have been a huge asset to the staff.
 

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I've been thinking about that because there's a lot of speculation about Kirk retiring but Phil and Levar sticking around. Has there ever been a situation where a new coach from outside the program takes over the new job and keeps most of the old coaching staff? I honestly don't know, because I never track the assistant coaches, but it seems like any new coach would want to bring in his own staff.
Kirk kept a bunch of guys around. Lots of times the support staff remains intact. In this particular case, I think any coach coming in to the Iowa situation would be insane to not to want to keep the defense and special teams coaches around.
 

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By the way, this is why he's going to keep doubling down on Bacon.

Now it's not just about his own assessment of the players. It's about resenting other people questioning his assessment of the players.
Kirk isn’t playing their best QB in order to spite fans. Is that what you’re saying here? I think it is but there’s got to be some context I’m missing.
 

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Which is different than blatantly not playing someone simply bc they won’t let outside opinions dictate anything.
I'm not saying he's doing it out of spite or anything. I think he does believe Bacon is better. But what I am saying is that psychologically, the fact that he's being questioned about that decision makes him more likely to double down on his belief that Bacon is better.
 

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Kirk kept a bunch of guys around. Lots of times the support staff remains intact. In this particular case, I think any coach coming in to the Iowa situation would be insane to not to want to keep the defense and special teams coaches around.
Kirk was also coming into a situation where not bringing in people would be abandoning them. You bring in Stoops, he's not going to not hire half of his assistants leaving them out on their own.
 

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I'm not saying he's doing it out of spite or anything. I think he does believe Bacon is better. But what I am saying is that psychologically, the fact that he's being questioned about that decision makes him more likely to double down on his belief that Bacon is better.
Would not be the first time for this scenario
 

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The ‘evaluate everything in the off-season on players, staff, scheme’ bothers the fuck out of me on multiple fronts. On the players side, it’s simply not true except for the last two years at QB. He started Rusty Feth at LG and played him more when he started kicking ass. He rotates OL in all the time. He’s shuttled between LeShon Williams and Kaleb Johnson as the starter. Also, failing to adjust scheme in season is flat out moronic. Phil does it all the time. They’ve even ran more power, gap and duo in the run game instead of zone to better success. It just seems like an excuse to cover up for Brian and the shitty QB play.
 

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I've been thinking about that because there's a lot of speculation about Kirk retiring but Phil and Levar sticking around. Has there ever been a situation where a new coach from outside the program takes over the new job and keeps most of the old coaching staff? I honestly don't know, because I never track the assistant coaches, but it seems like any new coach would want to bring in his own staff.
A new coach coming in realizes the best DC in the country is in Iowa City. It’s likely up to Phil if he wants to stay.
 

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That makes him an even bigger piece of shit. He should have said "Dad, I love ya, but going to move on."
Kirk fucked him over too when, instead of bringing in someone to give him some help, he doubled down and made Brian QB coach. It was clear at that point Brian was on a terrible trajectory.
 
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The more this goes on, the more I'm furious at Brian above all others. He's a full grown adult that is the son of a really good man and quality human being that would do anything for him.

Instead of doing the right thing, he ruined his father's legacy. Fucking piece of shit asshole.
It’s not hard to figure this out. Brian and Kirk convinced themselves that they were a competent QB away from redemption. Brian getting fast-tracked to OC was also part of a succession plan. The two of them figured that 2023 was going to erase the doubts about Brian and he’d at least be considered as a future HC if not at Iowa then somewhere else. It was a calculated risk that blew up spectacularly. And even now, you can see Kirk trying to find cover with numerous references to injuries.

Of course Brian should have been fired long before this. But the larger issue is that he was given the OC job in the first place. He wasn’t qualified and then proved to be awful at it even with experience. But being a DC or OC is the natural progression to a head coaching gig. Kirk used Iowa to try to further his son’s career. A competent AD wouldn’t have let it get to this point and would have saved Kirk from himself.

I thought he did okay in the PC. But we’ve seen how petty Kirk can be when his personnel decisions are questioned. The Bacon questions didn’t do Labas any favors. The fat fuck will finish out this year and if Kirk stays, will almost assuredly be the starter next year too (assuming he has eligibility).
 

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To think this is all going down now because of a botched reversal of DeJean's game winning TD and I may lead directly to KF's retirement.
I thought someone said on TOS that this was set in motion after Penn State game.
 
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