**Official Iowa vs. Iowa State Football Thread - 11:10am - FOX**

[douglasbader]

It’s all of it…
QB
WRs
Play caller
Head coach

perfect storm if shit

Great call on losing by two touchdowns last weekend and not the exact coin flip I told you it would be, retard.

 

[AZmessDAWG]

Great call on losing by two touchdowns last weekend and not the exact coin flip I told you it would be, retard.

It should have been.

 

[douglasbader]

It should have been.

It should have been a 2 TD win for Iowa, I agree.

 

[AZmessDAWG]

It should have been a 2 TD win for Iowa, I agree.

why? ISU has better personnel at almost every position. And a much better scheme.

 

[douglasbader]

why? ISU has better personnel at almost every position. And a much better scheme.

So much better that it took a fluke catch and 55 yarder to win at home.

 

[Hawkstrat]

why? ISU has better personnel at almost every position. And a much better scheme.

That's a stretch. They have a better QB and pass catchers. Backs are a wash, and I thought Iowa's line was mostly fine. Iowa State's quarterback made competitive contested throws, while Iowa's cannot.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

When you have a great kicker and the other team can’t score, you don’t have to take a lot of risk.

 

[The Full Monte]

Also, from their breakdown and watching the 2 games so far, it seems that Phil Parker went into the offseason pissed off with how the defense performed and made an effort go change things and develop players. The result is Iowa's defense is really fucking good again.

Of course, the offense just fucking blows and is going to waste another great Phil Parker defense.

As much as Lester is better than fat fuck Brian, the warning sign on him is how much he has been in love with TJ Washington for over a year despite all the evidence that he sucks.

I think there are all the makings of Kirk's tenure ending very very badly, which given the early parts of his career, are just sad.

I wasn't going to share, but a convo with a high profile, well respected former player recently was incredibly depressing. Kirk is mandating more things than we think. And unfortunately, recent history would suggest that he's going to resist change, no matter how bad the results are.

 

[CamelTones]

That's a stretch. They have a better QB and pass catchers. Backs are a wash, and I thought Iowa's line was mostly fine. Iowa State's quarterback made competitive contested throws, while Iowa's cannot.

Their TEs were clearly better. I’m not sure their receivers were any better.

 

[Silky Johnson]

It is legitimately sad, and if/when that comes to pass he can only blame himself.

 

[Gushawk]

I think Washington can be a productive 3rd down back, but he's not an every down guy and it's stupid to try to make him one. He looked decent in that role vs Mizzou in the bowl.

 

[The Full Monte]

I think Washington can be a productive 3rd down back, but he's not an every down guy and it's stupid to try to make him one. He looked decent in that role vs Mizzou in the bowl.

Yet another, totally inexplicable personnel decision….

 

[Thomas Wolsey]

Yet another, totally inexplicable personnel decision….

he wants to run it like a high school program.

 

[The Full Monte]

he wants to run it like a high school program.

I'm not even going to pretend I understand the motivations behind it. But the consistency of Iowa repeatedly doing things that don't work, a refusal to deviate from them, is at this point likely to end up being Kirk's "legacy."

 

[Thomas Wolsey]

I'm not even going to pretend I understand the motivations behind it. But the consistency of Iowa repeatedly doing things that don't work, a refusal to deviate from them, is at this point likely to end up being Kirk's "legacy."

He said that in the ISU pregame presser. And I have no doubt that the first half game plan was dictated by him.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

He believes you can out-execute every opponent, despite all the advances in training, recruiting, scouting, and game prep.

He’s a stubborn loser.

 

[Creed]

What are the odds that Hank doesn’t suck at QB?

 

[Silky Johnson]

Under these coaches and this scheme? About 2% but I hope at some point we at least see for ourselves.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

I would rather use a running qb to not pass than a passing qb to not pass.

 

[KitKatApples]

What are the odds that Hank doesn’t suck at QB?

Really really low

 

[kmurp]

I think Hank kinda sucked at Auburn but he was very inexperienced.

 

[Geese]

I bet he'll look pretty good in this system

 

[Shawneemicks]

What are the odds that Hank doesn’t suck at QB?

0

 

[OlePeep]

I'm not even going to pretend I understand the motivations behind it. But the consistency of Iowa repeatedly doing things that don't work, a refusal to deviate from them, is at this point likely to end up being Kirk's "legacy."

Wally Pipp would've gotten his job back under KF

 

[6deuce]

Wally Pipp would've gotten his job back under KF

I had to look up who Wally Pipp was and holy fucking shit...

 

[Herbie2]

I had to look up who Wally Pipp was

What. The. Fuck.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Well, he was white, so yeah.

 

[6deuce]

What. The. Fuck.

6deuce
Doesn't know things he probably should

 

[Greg Obrecht]

Losing to ISU creates these types of retarded narratives

 

[Hawk&Balls]

Iowa State has zero good wins on that schedule

 

[The Dad]

I had to look up who Wally Pipp was and holy fucking shit...

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[Pinehawk]

I listened to a little bit of the call in show with Ferentz last night. Someone called in and gently asked why we don’t throw down field more often.
Ferentz said throwing downfield is a very low percentage play. And when they do that, it puts them behind the sticks from a play calling progression.

So, that is where he’s coming from. I’d love to know how much autonomy Lester really has.

 

[Geese]

Lol good one Kirk

 

[Uff Da]

I listened to a little bit of the call in show with Ferentz last night. Someone called in and gently asked why we don’t throw down field more often.
Ferentz said throwing downfield is a very low percentage play. And when they do that, it puts them behind the sticks from a play calling progression.

So, that is where he’s coming from. I’d love to know how much autonomy Lester really has.

It is broken and Kirk is the reason. Being this bad on offense is obviously a choice at this point. Not surprising from an old head coach

 

[Talkin' Goat]

Kirk’s actually still correct that when you throw down field, two out of three things that can happen are bad:

- Incomplete pass
- Interception
- Pass interference

I don’t think the possibility of a completion even enters his mind. Plus pass interference can go both ways, so basically scariest environment imaginable.

 

[AZmessDAWG]

I listened to a little bit of the call in show with Ferentz last night. Someone called in and gently asked why we don’t throw down field more often.
Ferentz said throwing downfield is a very low percentage play. And when they do that, it puts them behind the sticks from a play calling progression.

So, that is where he’s coming from. I’d love to know how much autonomy Lester really has.

We throw it 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage to MAYBE 10 yards downfield. I don’t think anyone disagrees that a long downfield shot is a low percentage play. What we’d like to see is the middle of the field being used and some 15-25 yard throws. That is absent in our offense.

 

[Hawk&Balls]

We also throw it to receivers that have stopped with their backs facing the end zone.

 

[douglasbader]

We throw it 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage to MAYBE 10 yards downfield. I don’t think anyone disagrees that a long downfield shot is a low percentage play. What we’d like to see is the middle of the field being used and some 15-25 yard throws. That is absent in our offense.

Completely disagree. It's a high percentage throw in the year 2025, and it certainly isn't risky. You either get a completion, an PI, a long incompletion or a turnover that is essentially a long punt.

The benefits of opening up the field for the run on top of those reasons makes anyone who isn't throwing down field an idiot.

 

[Hawk&Balls]

Completely disagree. It's a high percentage throw in the year 2025, and it certainly isn't risky. You either get a completion, an PI, a long incompletion or a turnover that is essentially a long punt.

The benefits of opening up the field for the run on top of those reasons makes anyone who isn't throwing down field an idiot.

Meanwhile we throw ints at the line of scrimmage

 

[douglasbader]

Meanwhile we throw ints at the line of sceimmage

Exactly, we have a fuckton of incompletions that aren't even beyond 5 yards and sometimes behind the LOS.

 

[Hawk&Balls]

What kirk thinks are the no risk plays are the plays that dont do anything when they succeed and are high risk when they fail

 

[Hawk_Kegmasters]

Instead of high risk plays, Kirk prefers to use no reward plays.

 

[Talkin' Goat]

He’s risktarded

 

[Thrawn II]

Iowa doesn’t throw 20 yards downfield but does love throwing 20 yards to the sideline.

 

[The Full Monte]

So, that is where he’s coming from. I’d love to know how much autonomy Lester really has.

It’s less than you think

 

[cloudhawk]

He thinks about it from an offensive yardage standpoint. Not from a keeping the defense off balance standpoint.

 

[AZmessDAWG]

Completely disagree. It's a high percentage throw in the year 2025, and it certainly isn't risky. You either get a completion, an PI, a long incompletion or a turnover that is essentially a long punt.

The benefits of opening up the field for the run on top of those reasons makes anyone who isn't throwing down field an idiot.

I don’t think it’s a risky throw bc you’re right it’s usually a completion, incomplete, or PI. Rarely is it a pick. However I do think it’s a low percentage play. I agree with you, we should take 3-4 shots downfield every game.

I guess what I’m saying is we need more intermediate passing as well.

Actually we just need a better passing game. There…I said it.

 

[Shawneemicks]

I’d be happy about A passing game

 

[Thomas Wolsey]

At this point they should run read-option and RPOs more than 1/2 the time. That is the only stuff they do with moderate success.

 

[KitKatApples]

YOU CAN PASS RIGHT DOWN THE GOD DAMN MIDDLE A LOT OUT OF THAT TOO