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Thank god I didn’t watch. Had dinner plans last night. Listened to the first 15 minutes driving up to CR. By the time we got seated looked up at the TV and saw the halftime score lol.

That’s fucking pathetic. I don’t know who the next coach should be but seeing what is happening in Ames should easily be doable in Iowa City.

Defense and athleticism aren't how you do it the right way.
 

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I remember wishing Tom Davis could recruit better. I’d kill for any of his rosters right now.
 

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Four of our scholarships are being wasted on Kingsbury, brauns, Mulvey and tadjo
 

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15 years. Zero sweet 16s. Miserable twats for offspring. He's had his shot, time for someone new
 

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Four of our scholarships are being wasted on Kingsbury, brauns, Mulvey and tadjo
That honestly isn't an issue, in the NIL era nobody needs a roster of 13 high level scholarship players and those guys are fine for end of the bench players and a "here is a scholarship because we had one left over".
 

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I remember wishing Tom Davis could recruit better. I’d kill for any of his rosters right now.

The frustrating thing about Fran's recruiting the last few years is that he's consistently had top-150 kids each year, but their skillsets don't always compliment each other, and he hasn't done much to develop them.

Dr. Tom did more with less.
 

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Not that it would’ve mattered much but Mulvey couldn’t get any minutes against a team starting two seven footers? Fran knows this team can’t rebound for shit and still unwilling to try something different.

Perhaps Fran is cool with being outrebounded by only 16.
 

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The frustrating thing about Fran's recruiting the last few years is that he's consistently had top-150 kids each year, but their skillsets don't always compliment each other, and he hasn't done much to develop them.

Dr. Tom did more with less.
Let's not lose our minds. Fran has mismanaged his roster, but his players have consistently developed and he gets a lot out of the players he brings in. The examples are countless. I'm ready to move on from Fran, but the guy deserves his credit for developing chunks of coal into diamonds.

For the part about Dr. Tom, that is 1000% not true. Dr. Tom did more with a lot more when he first got to Iowa as he was gifted an insanely talented roster and then he did more with more after until he just felt like golfing all the time instead of recruiting. Even then, his last class was Rick Davis and Dean Oliver.
 

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Not that it would’ve mattered much but Mulvey couldn’t get any minutes against a team starting two seven footers? Fran knows this team can’t rebound for shit and still unwilling to try something different.

Perhaps Fran is cool with being outrebounded by only 16.
I don't know how a person watches yesterday, and thinks Mulvey's lack of minutes is something to talk about.
 

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, but his players have consistently developed and he gets a lot out of the players he brings in. The examples are countless.
That's why those bottom four scholarship spots aren't completely worthless
 

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That's why those bottom four scholarship spots aren't completely worthless
Of course they aren't, but in the NIL era they are the last thing to worry about. If you look at other similar teams, their bottom 4 aren't any better.
 

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Generally I agree with this, however if left to him, Brian would still fucking be the OC.
Maybe Beth should step in and force Fran to hire someone to coach defense. Or just get rid of Fran and hire someone that won’t give up 116.
 

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I don't know how a person watches yesterday, and thinks Mulvey's lack of minutes is something to talk about.
I said it wouldn’t have mattered much. Plus it gets old talking about fucking your mom.
 

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Either way, from all accounts the Fran era is likely coming to an ugly end after this season barring him sneaking Iowa into the NCAA Tourney and making a Sweet 16 run.

If they don't make the tourney, he's toast. Iowa also has 2 players that are not likely NBA players but are very good college players that will stand to make a lot of money. Josh Dix has already gotten good offers, and my guess as a Senior with his stats can easily get $1m to play somewhere else next year. 14 point, 3.5 rebound, 2.7 assist, 40%+ three point guy that has been held down on a mediocre team will be highly sought after by top level teams.

Owen Freeman is a 17 point 8 rebound and leading the Big Ten in blocks. He can easily get $2m+ per year the next 2 years. He would be fucking insane to not take it and I would bet he will.
 

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Can anyone here on this board remember a more embarrassing loss in Fran's tenure? It didn't carry the weight of the shitting the bed against Richmond, but that happens all the time in the NCAA Tourney. Eastern Illinois loss was bad, but maybe 5 people were watching. He's lost big to good teams, but this was a mediocre team and Iowa put up no resistance of any kind.

Getting fucking called out by Wisconsin players after the game is the cherry on top to a 116 point given up and 31 point loss. Them laughing at Fran and Iowa telling everyone they knew they were a bunch of soft ass bitches and all they had to do is play a little bit of defense and they knew they would crush Iowa is devastating.

Enough already, end the Fran era.
The only game that comes to mind was when NW beat Iowa by 30+ 5ish years ago. That was a salty NW team tho but Iowa had Cook, Jok, bohannon etc. They just sliced and diced the Iowa D that day.
 
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I’d rather Iowa just continue to suck this season and not sneak into the tournament just to exit with yet another first round loss giving several more years of Fran. Only games I’ve watched this year was last night and Iowa State…where I turned it off after the inevitable blown lead. Just puke. Attendance this year is gonna be Lickliterish.
 

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The only game that comes to mind was when NW beat Iowa by 30+ 5ish years ago. That was a salty NW team tho but Iowa had Cook, Jok, bohannon etc. They just sliced and diced the Iowa D that day.
The Purdue game on the 25th anniversary of Streets death. Iowa was down 31 at the half. At home.
 

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I’d rather Iowa just continue to suck this season and not sneak into the tournament just to exit with yet another first round loss giving several more years of Fran. Only games I’ve watched this year was last night and Iowa State…where I turned it off after the inevitable blown lead. Just puke. Attendance this year is gonna be Lickliterish.
that’s incredibly stupid.

no offense.
 

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I’d rather Iowa just continue to suck this season and not sneak into the tournament just to exit with yet another first round loss giving several more years of Fran. Only games I’ve watched this year was last night and Iowa State…where I turned it off after the inevitable blown lead. Just puke. Attendance this year is gonna be Lickliterish.
I don’t want Iowa to lose, but I get your point. If Iowa sneaking into another first weekend NCAA loss means 5-10 more years of the same then it may be worth it to miss the tournament and make a change. It’s basically the same thing as tanking to get a top QB in the draft. Short term pain leading to long term success.

What I woukd prefer is we win as much as possible and barring a S16 or better we move on amyway.
 

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  1. Arizona vs. Morgan State(Nov. 6, 2024) - Arizona scored 122 points
  2. Gonzaga vs. Portland(Nov. 15, 2024) - Gonzaga scored 120 points
  3. Kansas vs. North Dakota State(Nov. 20, 2024) - Kansas scored 118 points
  4. Duke vs. Elon(Nov. 25, 2024) - Duke scored 117 points
  5. Kentucky vs. Eastern Kentucky(Dec. 1, 2024) - Kentucky scored 116 points
It's the 5th most points given up in the 2024-2025 season, and by far the most any Power conference school has given up this year. A complete and total embarrassment of the program.
So Iowa is right up there in the pantheon of college basketball elites like Morgan State and Elon. Marvelous.
 

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Just wait 'til we get those bastard Badgers on our court on February 8th. We'll show 'em!!
 

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Let's not lose our minds. Fran has mismanaged his roster, but his players have consistently developed and he gets a lot out of the players he brings in. The examples are countless. I'm ready to move on from Fran, but the guy deserves his credit for developing chunks of coal into diamonds.

For the part about Dr. Tom, that is 1000% not true. Dr. Tom did more with a lot more when he first got to Iowa as he was gifted an insanely talented roster and then he did more with more after until he just felt like golfing all the time instead of recruiting. Even then, his last class was Rick Davis and Dean Oliver.
Respectfully disagree.

Yes, Tom had Ricky and Dean, and signed Joey Range. After those, his top 100 recruits in his last six years were Kingsbury, Settles, J.R. Koch, Russ Millard, and I shit you not he was on one top 100 list, Greg Fucking Helmers. We'll give him Andre Woolridge and Sam Okey as a transfers.

It's a but cloudy as now its Top 150 lists, but since 2019 Fran has pulled in:

Patrick
Ahron Ulis (top 150 when signed, then plunged)
Payton Sandfort
Pryce Sandfort
Owen Freeman
Brock Harding
Cooper Koch
Chris Tadjo

And then he hit his home run with the Murrays.

So, equal number of ranked kids out of HS. Of course, there is a huge difference in quality, Dr. Tom would land studs and then bring in low ranked role players, some of whom blossomed and were steals, like Ryan Bowen. He also recruited some kids who couldn't keep their grades up or robbed ATM machines, or were just stiffs.

Fran's 3 stars have, arguably. been a little better quality as signees initially than Tom's. But, Tom got more out of his. His system could get torched, but he coached his kids up and he always had a couple of studs.

Fran's pulled in better classes overall, but hasn't developed them (except for the Murrays, who may in fact have developed themselves), and manages to get less out of what he brings in than Tom.

I'm going to die on this hill.
 
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Respectfully disagree.

Yes, Tom had Ricky and Dean, and signed Joey Range. After those, his top 100 recruits in his last six years were Kingsbury, Settles, J.R. Koch, Russ Millard, and I shit you not he was on one top 100 list, Greg Fucking Helmers. We'll give him Andre Woolridge and Sam Okey as a transfers.

It's a but cloudy as now its Top 150 lists, but since 2019 Fran has pulled in:

Patrick
Ahron Ulis (top 150 when signed, then plunged)
Payton Sandfort
Pryce Sandfort
Owen Freeman
Brock Harding
Cooper Kock
Chris Tadjo

And then he hit his home run with the Murrays.

So, equal number of ranked kids out of HS. Of course, there is a huge difference in quality, Dr. Tom would land studs and then bring in low ranked role players, some of whom blossomed and were steals, like Ryan Bowen. He also recruited some kids who couldn't keep their grades up or robbed ATM machines, or were just stiffs.

Fran's 3 stars have, arguably. been a little better quality as signees initially than Tom's. But, Tom got more out of his. His system could get torched, but he coached his kids up and he always had a couple of studs.

Fran's pulled in better classes overall, but hasn't developed them (except for the Murrays, who may in fact have developed themselves), and manages to get less out of what he brings in than Tom.

I'm going to die on this hill.
Good!
 

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Not that it would’ve mattered much but Mulvey couldn’t get any minutes against a team starting two seven footers? Fran knows this team can’t rebound for shit and still unwilling to try something different.

Perhaps Fran is cool with being outrebounded by only 16.
Pet peeve response that should in no way be taken as a defense of last night's shit show:

Iowa was out-rebounded by 16 because they missed 12 more shots + 4 more free throws* than Wisconsin. NOT getting out-rebounded would have been an absolute fucking miracle. Wisconsin only got 1 more offensive board than Iowa.

*understand some of the missed free throws are the 1st of 2 shots, but it's directionally close enough.
 

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Frans development has been fine to good. His point guard recruiting has mostly sucked.
 

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Respectfully disagree.

Yes, Tom had Ricky and Dean, and signed Joey Range. After those, his top 100 recruits in his last six years were Kingsbury, Settles, J.R. Koch, Russ Millard, and I shit you not he was on one top 100 list, Greg Fucking Helmers. We'll give him Andre Woolridge and Sam Okey as a transfers.

It's a but cloudy as now its Top 150 lists, but since 2019 Fran has pulled in:

Patrick
Ahron Ulis (top 150 when signed, then plunged)
Payton Sandfort
Pryce Sandfort
Owen Freeman
Brock Harding
Cooper Kock
Chris Tadjo

And then he hit his home run with the Murrays.

So, equal number of ranked kids out of HS. Of course, there is a huge difference in quality, Dr. Tom would land studs and then bring in low ranked role players, some of whom blossomed and were steals, like Ryan Bowen. He also recruited some kids who couldn't keep their grades up or robbed ATM machines, or were just stiffs.

Fran's 3 stars have, arguably. been a little better quality as signees initially than Tom's. But, Tom got more out of his. His system could get torched, but he coached his kids up and he always had a couple of studs.

Fran's pulled in better classes overall, but hasn't developed them (except for the Murrays, who may in fact have developed themselves), and manages to get less out of what he brings in than Tom.

I'm going to die on this hill.
Respectfully, you're wrong.
 

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The real benefit of ripping the band aid off now is that Fran can’t save himself with another .500ish conference finish and first round exit. And it signals that you actually care and have some expectations/standards for the program.
 

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Let's not lose our minds. Fran has mismanaged his roster, but his players have consistently developed and he gets a lot out of the players he brings in. The examples are countless. I'm ready to move on from Fran, but the guy deserves his credit for developing chunks of coal into diamonds.

For the part about Dr. Tom, that is 1000% not true. Dr. Tom did more with a lot more when he first got to Iowa as he was gifted an insanely talented roster and then he did more with more after until he just felt like golfing all the time instead of recruiting. Even then, his last class was Rick Davis and Dean Oliver.
fran has a type and it’s never athletic and hard nosed. that’s been his biggest problem, defensively and in the post season.
 

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Pet peeve response that should in no way be taken as a defense of last night's shit show:

Iowa was out-rebounded by 16 because they missed 12 more shots + 4 more free throws* than Wisconsin. NOT getting out-rebounded would have been an absolute fucking miracle. Wisconsin only got 1 more offensive board than Iowa.

*understand some of the missed free throws are the 1st of 2 shots, but it's directionally close enough.
Fair point. I turned it off when they got down by 20 something.
 
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No it won't, not on any level. Who told you that?
They’d owe $6.5 million to Fran (if fired) and an additional $4.5 for DeVries. Then he’d command a $3.5-4 million salary per. I just don’t see it happening. Hopefully, I am wrong.
 

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They’d owe $6.5 million to Fran (if fired) and an additional $4.5 for DeVries. Then he’d command a $3.5-4 million salary per. I just don’t see it happening. Hopefully, I am wrong.
The University of Iowa gets $60+ million/year from the Big Ten
 
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The athletic department had to get a $50 million loan from the university after Covid and hasn’t paid shit back on the principal.

Like I said, I hope I am wrong but I don’t see a change happening. Thanks, Barta.
 

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The Purdue game on the 25th anniversary of Streets death. Iowa was down 31 at the half. At home.
I’d add in getting run out of Carver by DePaul in 2019 the night Xavier Foster committed to ISU earlier that day.
 

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You have to change the links to Twitter instead of X.
 

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Pet peeve response that should in no way be taken as a defense of last night's shit show:

Iowa was out-rebounded by 16 because they missed 12 more shots + 4 more free throws* than Wisconsin. NOT getting out-rebounded would have been an absolute fucking miracle. Wisconsin only got 1 more offensive board than Iowa.

*understand some of the missed free throws are the 1st of 2 shots, but it's directionally close enough.
I would rather deal with poor rebounding than them making every shot.
 

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Devries would 100% take the iowa job unless they insult him or something.

I would also guess that our NIL pool would jump to $5-7 million.
 

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I’m not sure if this is satire but we all said the same thing with Alford. Then again with The Criminal and now with Fran. Iowa basketball is a mess and I’m not sure how it gets revived with the fan base.
All you need is hope.
In regards to Alford, his first couple of years were extremely exciting. Iowa Basketball was a hot ticket, students couldn’t wait to get into the Hawk’s Nest. It wore off because the team underperformed vs expectations, and people found out Alford was an extremely unlikable human who allowed a rapist to play on the team.
People were excited again when Fran started turning it around. His first couple years were a dramatic improvement and people got mad again. But after so many years not ever making a tournament run and team after team that is completely unable to play defense started to wear people down
The Criminal was a little different because he sucked immediately and his team was basically unwatchable from Day 1 with little reason to believe they were ever going to get better.

You need to sell hope, there is none right now. Look what the women did. Get someone in here who can recruit exciting athletes that can compete for conference titles and make deep tournament runs and it will get better.
 
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