StinkyMcFadden
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Sorry G. Rape, mid-season rankings are a silly way to judge a season or coach. Remember how well Iowa was playing before they collapsed?!?!? I was driving so well before I swerved into oncoming traffic.Do you remember how bad we were?Is this year really the first year a number of you are disappointed in Fran and Iowa basketball? Fran's had an assortment of disappointing experiences at Iowa, including his own childish behavior on the sidelines. I'm not sure how he's earned the break and faith people are putting in him. The thought of a new coach is a bit scary due to recent experience, but to pretend that Fran has built up all this trust is misguided. Maybe this is just as good as Iowa can be...but I don't understand why Fran has earned the faith.
Do you recall how often we've been ranked under Fran? In the top 15? In the top 10? In the top 5?
Do you recall how many first team all Big Ten players we've had under Fran? One? Two? Three? Four?
How many times we've finished in the top five in the conference? How many times we've been to the postseason? How many times we've beaten top ten teams? How many times we've played meaningful national showcase games? How many top 150 recruits he's brought in?
Are we Duke? Of course not. We aren't even Michigan. But to pretend that Fran hasn't been the conductor of a rebuild of monumental proportions is insane.
I'll concede we've been let down a few times under Fran, but if you think you'll be looking back in fifteen years at the era of Devyn Marble, Aaron White and Peter Jok with dismay, you're fucking nuts. Fran's directly responsible for that.
Fuck you, Alan Lomax.
Not coaching, a change could set us back a decade, and not talent. I guess internet fans, mostly.
Unluckiness
Not sure who said that, but it was a dumb thing to say. Now, what does that have to do with Iowa?Illinois is Losing The Right Way this year, but not us. Nevermind that they just lost to Wisconsin 75-50. Ignore that, them boys are putting up a fight!
You know, I've wondered the same, also in terms of the burnout we've seen. And I don't get it; they don't do more than they're allowed ahead of the trip in terms of practices/workouts, and then the guys are given a bit of a break when they return before official practices begin (though the start of official practice was moved up a couple weeks in recent years, but it's still puzzling).Any chance the Europe trips are a net negative? It sounds counterintuitive, but these guys looked burned out in November. Maybe they’ve been at it too long. The last Iowa team that took a summer trip melted down midseason too.
Weiskamp, according to Rivals, would be Iowa's highest ranked recruit probably since Ricky Davis. So back to back years Iowa will be getting recruits at a level they basically haven't seen in 20 years. Anyone who wants to fire Fran and walk away from that is a fucking retard.Weiskamp will be Fran's highest ranked recruit since Woodbury, and Patrick will be his highest recruit ever. Xavier Foster is a potentially huge recruit too -- I don't buy the defeatest logic that he won't play here "because"... Fran has been a solid recruiter, it was only a series of completely bizarre events that led to Ulis going to Kentucky, Fran stalked that kid for a full year, and unfortunately wound up with a total throw-away class.
The Moss, Wagner, etc class has been a big disappointment, not a single guy there has worked out.
Complacency has fully set in, and the comment above about Illinois "losing the right way" is complete garbage IMO. Firing Fran is hitting the reset button, you have to assume you lose everybody. If you squint real hard the future actually looks halfway decent. There is still very much an outside chance he lands a Xavier Foster / Jalen Suggs class in 2020.
They have 3 overtime losses and got beat at the buzzer. It’s college basketball and blowouts happen, unfortunately Iowa has 6 such losses in conference.Illinois is Losing The Right Way this year, but not us. Nevermind that they just lost to Wisconsin 75-50. Ignore that, them boys are putting up a fight!
Can I introduce you to Alan Lomax and Hawkstrat?Weiskamp, according to Rivals, would be Iowa's highest ranked recruit probably since Ricky Davis. So back to back years Iowa will be getting recruits at a level they basically haven't seen in 20 years. Anyone who wants to fire Fran and walk away from that is a fucking retard.Weiskamp will be Fran's highest ranked recruit since Woodbury, and Patrick will be his highest recruit ever. Xavier Foster is a potentially huge recruit too -- I don't buy the defeatest logic that he won't play here "because"... Fran has been a solid recruiter, it was only a series of completely bizarre events that led to Ulis going to Kentucky, Fran stalked that kid for a full year, and unfortunately wound up with a total throw-away class.
The Moss, Wagner, etc class has been a big disappointment, not a single guy there has worked out.
Complacency has fully set in, and the comment above about Illinois "losing the right way" is complete garbage IMO. Firing Fran is hitting the reset button, you have to assume you lose everybody. If you squint real hard the future actually looks halfway decent. There is still very much an outside chance he lands a Xavier Foster / Jalen Suggs class in 2020.
DYOFR
This is exactly where I am with Fran. I don't understand the "Fran has earned the right" crowd, or the Jon Miller takes about this being Fran's first down/below expectation season.Is this year really the first year a number of you are disappointed in Fran and Iowa basketball? Fran's had an assortment of disappointing experiences at Iowa, including his own childish behavior on the sidelines. I'm not sure how he's earned the break and faith people are putting in him. The thought of a new coach is a bit scary due to recent experience, but to pretend that Fran has built up all this trust is misguided. Maybe this is just as good as Iowa can be...but I don't understand why Fran has earned the faith.
If you think Fran can or should be fired on any level after this season, you and Alan Lomax and your stupid fucking ilk are flat out dumb.This is exactly where I am with Fran. I don't understand the "Fran has earned the right" crowd, or the Jon Miller takes about this being Fran's first down/below expectation season.Is this year really the first year a number of you are disappointed in Fran and Iowa basketball? Fran's had an assortment of disappointing experiences at Iowa, including his own childish behavior on the sidelines. I'm not sure how he's earned the break and faith people are putting in him. The thought of a new coach is a bit scary due to recent experience, but to pretend that Fran has built up all this trust is misguided. Maybe this is just as good as Iowa can be...but I don't understand why Fran has earned the faith.
Probably best to ignore it, Patrick.
"Stupid fucking ilk." RELAX dougie.If you think Fran can or should be fired on any level after this season, you and Alan Lomax and your stupid fucking ilk are flat out dumb.This is exactly where I am with Fran. I don't understand the "Fran has earned the right" crowd, or the Jon Miller takes about this being Fran's first down/below expectation season.Is this year really the first year a number of you are disappointed in Fran and Iowa basketball? Fran's had an assortment of disappointing experiences at Iowa, including his own childish behavior on the sidelines. I'm not sure how he's earned the break and faith people are putting in him. The thought of a new coach is a bit scary due to recent experience, but to pretend that Fran has built up all this trust is misguided. Maybe this is just as good as Iowa can be...but I don't understand why Fran has earned the faith.
Starting to feel bad for Wieskamp. Good recruit, but when your biggest defense of a coach in his 8th season is a recruit he landed for his 9th, you're in trouble. Plus his kid the year after.Weiskamp, according to Rivals, would be Iowa's highest ranked recruit probably since Ricky Davis. So back to back years Iowa will be getting recruits at a level they basically haven't seen in 20 years. Anyone who wants to fire Fran and walk away from that is a fucking retard.Weiskamp will be Fran's highest ranked recruit since Woodbury, and Patrick will be his highest recruit ever. Xavier Foster is a potentially huge recruit too -- I don't buy the defeatest logic that he won't play here "because"... Fran has been a solid recruiter, it was only a series of completely bizarre events that led to Ulis going to Kentucky, Fran stalked that kid for a full year, and unfortunately wound up with a total throw-away class.
The Moss, Wagner, etc class has been a big disappointment, not a single guy there has worked out.
Complacency has fully set in, and the comment above about Illinois "losing the right way" is complete garbage IMO. Firing Fran is hitting the reset button, you have to assume you lose everybody. If you squint real hard the future actually looks halfway decent. There is still very much an outside chance he lands a Xavier Foster / Jalen Suggs class in 2020.
Great job by Fran to lock-up the highly ranked in-state guys. Seriously.Weiskamp, according to Rivals, would be Iowa's highest ranked recruit probably since Ricky Davis. So back to back years Iowa will be getting recruits at a level they basically haven't seen in 20 years. Anyone who wants to fire Fran and walk away from that is a fucking retard.Weiskamp will be Fran's highest ranked recruit since Woodbury, and Patrick will be his highest recruit ever. Xavier Foster is a potentially huge recruit too -- I don't buy the defeatest logic that he won't play here "because"... Fran has been a solid recruiter, it was only a series of completely bizarre events that led to Ulis going to Kentucky, Fran stalked that kid for a full year, and unfortunately wound up with a total throw-away class.
The Moss, Wagner, etc class has been a big disappointment, not a single guy there has worked out.
Complacency has fully set in, and the comment above about Illinois "losing the right way" is complete garbage IMO. Firing Fran is hitting the reset button, you have to assume you lose everybody. If you squint real hard the future actually looks halfway decent. There is still very much an outside chance he lands a Xavier Foster / Jalen Suggs class in 2020.
Fixed.He isn't locking in the highly ranked in-state guys, he locked up one, while the other two were made from his sperm.
are you bipolar?Fran has never had a team give up so I’m starting think this is a legit cultural problem instead of just losing. Usually I blow that stuff off.
I have no idea if the bohannon stuff is legit but I will add something that I haven’t posted publicly yet. There was some definite nepotism and race related hard feelings shared with me before the season even started. Basically a player that was run off shared some thoughts with someone I know after williams quit and how the team is gonna be way too white soon to be good. I sort of brushed it off as hard feelings at the time because this guy was black and not any good. But then I heard threw the grapevine that Connor was legit beating out Williams and I was legitimately excited when that happened until we actually started playing games and it was becoming obvious that we weren’t very good.
I’m guessing the trith is a combination of all this shit.
The entire first sentence is bullshit. The biggest defense of a coach in his 8th season is a recruit he landed for his 9th? How about the 4 straight All-Big Ten First Team players he churned out.... getting Tyler Cook... getting Luka Garza.... etc...Starting to feel bad for Wieskamp. Good recruit, but when your biggest defense of a coach in his 8th season is a recruit he landed for his 9th, you're in trouble. Plus his kid the year after.Weiskamp, according to Rivals, would be Iowa's highest ranked recruit probably since Ricky Davis. So back to back years Iowa will be getting recruits at a level they basically haven't seen in 20 years. Anyone who wants to fire Fran and walk away from that is a fucking retard.Weiskamp will be Fran's highest ranked recruit since Woodbury, and Patrick will be his highest recruit ever. Xavier Foster is a potentially huge recruit too -- I don't buy the defeatest logic that he won't play here "because"... Fran has been a solid recruiter, it was only a series of completely bizarre events that led to Ulis going to Kentucky, Fran stalked that kid for a full year, and unfortunately wound up with a total throw-away class.
The Moss, Wagner, etc class has been a big disappointment, not a single guy there has worked out.
Complacency has fully set in, and the comment above about Illinois "losing the right way" is complete garbage IMO. Firing Fran is hitting the reset button, you have to assume you lose everybody. If you squint real hard the future actually looks halfway decent. There is still very much an outside chance he lands a Xavier Foster / Jalen Suggs class in 2020.
Guys, all Fran needs to do is to fire two assistants, completely change how he coaches defense, change his philosophy on how he uses his roster, and run off like 4 guys, and then he's back on track.
He locked up Woodbury and Gesell (who was basically in-State), guessed right on Jok, got Uthoff to come back, locked up Wieskamp early and is at least in the game on Carton and Foster.He isn't locking in the highly ranked in-state guys, he locked up one, while the other was made from his sperm.
Who gives a shit? The fact of the matter is that his sperm has become a recruit like Iowa hasn't had in a long time. And his buddy Weiskamp is right up there. Firing him would be idiotic.He isn't locking in the highly ranked in-state guys, he locked up one, while the other was made from his sperm.
The fact that Hawkstrat is trying to paint the narrative that Fran hasn't locked in-state talent up in his tenure is all you need to know.Who gives a shit? The fact of the matter is that his sperm has become a recruit like Iowa hasn't had in a long time. And his buddy Weiskamp is right up there. Firing him would be idiotic.He isn't locking in the highly ranked in-state guys, he locked up one, while the other was made from his sperm.
You ever hear of Joe Wieskamp?Why would Dean Oliver quit his gig after just one year with the only draw being his alma mater?
I'm talking going forward. AZ seems to be very pessimistic about both.He locked up Woodbury and Gesell (who was basically in-State), guessed right on Jok, got Uthoff to come back, locked up Wieskamp early and is at least in the game on Carton and Foster.He isn't locking in the highly ranked in-state guys, he locked up one, while the other was made from his sperm.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Lol. By this standard what has any Iowa Baskeball coach accomplished in 30 plus years?I think Iowa can recover, but a lot of the more optimistic arguments just seem off to me.
Take for instance Fran's 4 All Big Ten guys. Neat, I guess. But what did they accomplish at Iowa? I enjoyed watching those guys, but they made an NIT run and won two first round games. One locked himself in the gymnasium.
When weighing what a coach has done, individual all conference selections seems like working backwards. You've decided you're going to defend Fran, so you've searched for accomplishments, mostly because he's never had a team do anything particularly impressive. Grape mentioned showcase games or some bullshit. I mean really, that's the argument.
LolI was pretty invested in defending Fran, but I took a step back and reexamined his time here. Concluded that I don't really think its absurd to want to move on.
Not late Davis, Alford, Lick or Fran. Stop trying?Lol. By this standard what has any Iowa Baskeball coach accomplished in 30 plus years?I think Iowa can recover, but a lot of the more optimistic arguments just seem off to me.
Take for instance Fran's 4 All Big Ten guys. Neat, I guess. But what did they accomplish at Iowa? I enjoyed watching those guys, but they made an NIT run and won two first round games. One locked himself in the gymnasium.
When weighing what a coach has done, individual all conference selections seems like working backwards. You've decided you're going to defend Fran, so you've searched for accomplishments, mostly because he's never had a team do anything particularly impressive. Grape mentioned showcase games or some bullshit. I mean really, that's the argument.
You speak with a lot of authority for a person that has been wrong about basically everything. Remember when you were putting together a list of people complaining after the Cayman Islands Classic. You were going to wait until this team was competing for a tournament berth, then embarrass us all.LolI was pretty invested in defending Fran, but I took a step back and reexamined his time here. Concluded that I don't really think its absurd to want to move on.
Joe going to be that scoring guy right away, or do you think someone on the roster steps up?I’m confident Fran will get this figured out. He whiffed in recruiting and missed on some guys for a couple years in a row. Last year, Jon helped a ton with a young team. Now you have a team without that scoring ability but really is just as young.
They will be fine next year. Just gotta get through this year.
What? No I haven’t. I haven’t said much of anything because it’s a public board.are you bipolar?Fran has never had a team give up so I’m starting think this is a legit cultural problem instead of just losing. Usually I blow that stuff off.
I have no idea if the bohannon stuff is legit but I will add something that I haven’t posted publicly yet. There was some definite nepotism and race related hard feelings shared with me before the season even started. Basically a player that was run off shared some thoughts with someone I know after williams quit and how the team is gonna be way too white soon to be good. I sort of brushed it off as hard feelings at the time because this guy was black and not any good. But then I heard threw the grapevine that Connor was legit beating out Williams and I was legitimately excited when that happened until we actually started playing games and it was becoming obvious that we weren’t very good.
I’m guessing the trith is a combination of all this shit.
on this site you post how there could be issues with connor being on the team.
then on the rivals iowa hoops board you cant believe that people would even insinuate such a thing.
I think they’ve got enough scorers. Cook will score, Garza is going to be a threat to be a double-double guy. Those two will free up bohannon who is an elite shooter.Joe going to be that scoring guy right away, or do you think someone on the roster steps up?I’m confident Fran will get this figured out. He whiffed in recruiting and missed on some guys for a couple years in a row. Last year, Jon helped a ton with a young team. Now you have a team without that scoring ability but really is just as young.
They will be fine next year. Just gotta get through this year.
That's where I can't agree, I don't think Cook/Garza will help bohannon that much. I think Iowa needs a go to perimeter guy to do that.I think they’ve got enough scorers. Cook will score, Garza is going to be a threat to be a double-double guy. Those two will free up bohannon who is an elite shooter.Joe going to be that scoring guy right away, or do you think someone on the roster steps up?I’m confident Fran will get this figured out. He whiffed in recruiting and missed on some guys for a couple years in a row. Last year, Jon helped a ton with a young team. Now you have a team without that scoring ability but really is just as young.
They will be fine next year. Just gotta get through this year.
I don’t know if Weiskamp starts or comes off the bench but I don’t expect nor think he needs to be a go to guy next year in order for the team to be successful.
Good post play opens it up for everybody.That's where I can't agree, I don't think Cook/Garza will help bohannon that much. I think Iowa needs a go to perimeter guy to do that.I think they’ve got enough scorers. Cook will score, Garza is going to be a threat to be a double-double guy. Those two will free up bohannon who is an elite shooter.Joe going to be that scoring guy right away, or do you think someone on the roster steps up?
I don’t know if Weiskamp starts or comes off the bench but I don’t expect nor think he needs to be a go to guy next year in order for the team to be successful.
You can't play 11 guys and you can't play Brady either, yet here we are.I see no way Wieskamp doesn’t start. You just can’t run Moss and Baer out there in their current state and expect anything good to happen.
Hopefully Moss can reengage and improve a bit while playing SF where there’s a little less pressure on D. On offense even current Moss is better than Baer.
Brady won’t be here. Wagner, Fredrick, and Pemsl should see basically no time next year. Probably one of Nunge or Kriener too, but one is OK on offense and the other OK on defense.You can't play 11 guys and you can't play Brady either, yet here we are.I see no way Wieskamp doesn’t start. You just can’t run Moss and Baer out there in their current state and expect anything good to happen.
Hopefully Moss can reengage and improve a bit while playing SF where there’s a little less pressure on D. On offense even current Moss is better than Baer.
Provided a team has a concept of spacing and has players (especially guards) that can feed them.Good post play opens it up for everybody.That's where I can't agree, I don't think Cook/Garza will help bohannon that much. I think Iowa needs a go to perimeter guy to do that.I think they’ve got enough scorers. Cook will score, Garza is going to be a threat to be a double-double guy. Those two will free up bohannon who is an elite shooter.
I don’t know if Weiskamp starts or comes off the bench but I don’t expect nor think he needs to be a go to guy next year in order for the team to be successful.
That's an awful lot of speculation.Brady won’t be here. Wagner, Fredrick, and Pemsl should see basically no time next year. Probably one of Nunge or Kriener too, but one is OK on offense and the other OK on defense.You can't play 11 guys and you can't play Brady either, yet here we are.I see no way Wieskamp doesn’t start. You just can’t run Moss and Baer out there in their current state and expect anything good to happen.
Hopefully Moss can reengage and improve a bit while playing SF where there’s a little less pressure on D. On offense even current Moss is better than Baer.
The most non retarded of Moss or Dailey should start on the wing next to Wieskamp. Obviously Jordan, Cook and Garza are your other starters.
Plenty of flexibility then with Baer, Connor, and the other of Moss/Dailey being the main subs, with Kriener or Nunge getting 8 mins or so.
This makes sense to me three years and three poor seasons from now, but we have sophomores bohannon and Cook, freshmen Nunge and Garza, and Connor and Wieskamp coming down the pike.I was pretty invested in defending Fran, but I took a step back and reexamined his time here. Concluded that I don't really think its absurd to want to move on.
If there's one thing we can all agree on its Fran's meticulous management of PT.That's an awful lot of speculation.Brady won’t be here. Wagner, Fredrick, and Pemsl should see basically no time next year. Probably one of Nunge or Kriener too, but one is OK on offense and the other OK on defense.You can't play 11 guys and you can't play Brady either, yet here we are.
The most non retarded of Moss or Dailey should start on the wing next to Wieskamp. Obviously Jordan, Cook and Garza are your other starters.
Plenty of flexibility then with Baer, Connor, and the other of Moss/Dailey being the main subs, with Kriener or Nunge getting 8 mins or so.