**Virginia Tech vs. Iowa Basketball - 11/10 - 6pm - FOX1**

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Honeymoon over for Ben? It was downhill for Dr. Tom after the Elite 8. Does playing Peyton signal the beginning of the end already? These might be the most important questions to discuss 3 games into the season.
 

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Remember when Cam fouled the 3 pt shooter and then missed an easy layup
 

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Based on shit I’m seeing from very positive, loyal and diehard Hawk hoops fans, Ben should tread lightly with the Peyton shit. That well of goodwill has been badly poisoned.
 

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Based on shit I’m seeing from very positive, loyal and diehard Hawk hoops fans, Ben should tread lightly with the Peyton shit. That well of goodwill has been badly poisoned.
remember how excited he was to announce his scholarship offer and signing?
 

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My concern is that during Peyton’s uninterrupted 10 minute crunch time stretch yesterday Tate Sage didn’t see the floor. We clearly needed to score to win, as NO ONE was staying in front of their guards. I’ll leave it to the reader to decide whether Peyton or Tate is a more potent offensive threat.
 

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I liked how Coleman was stuck at the table for a long time and then Peyton knew he was coming out and chucked one last shot that airballed. Smart kid.
 

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At least Leistikow is calling out the Lil Lick stuff. Has some good points from his article today....

The aforementioned defensive lapses had a common theme, with Virginia Tech capitalizing on Peyton McCollum, who was a nice revelation in his first two college games with six 3-pointers and 22 points. But the second-year player (who redshirted last season) ended up with zero points on 0-for-2 shooting with two rebounds, zero assists and three fouls in 17 minutes.

Yet despite that lack of production, McCollum was on the floor from the 13:29 mark of the second half until the 3:52 mark. Ty’Reek Coleman, who scored 20 points in 31 minutes and was a good match for Virginia Tech’s quickness, was curiously on the bench from the 11:23 mark to the 3:52 mark.

Asked specifically about why Coleman was on the bench for 7½ crucial minutes as his son played, McCollum responded, “That's not who (Coleman) would have subbed for. It would have been Kael.”

But Coleman didn’t replace Combs when he returned. He and Sage replaced McCollum and Manyawu.

Ben McCollum certainly has his reasons for playing who he plays, and his general theme of the night was that nobody played good defense. Coleman was too passive at times, too, and the head coach specifically named Sage as struggling to follow the game plan. But the appearance of playing his son over a talented player like Coleman was a bad look after a loss.

We went through these father/son playing-time decisions for seven years in the Fran McCaffery era, too, which is probably why there were plenty of Hawkeye fans on social media who expressed frustration at Peyton McCollum’s extended use in an overtime loss that Iowa certainly could have (and probably should have) won. But no question, McCollum's frustration with free throws (Iowa is at a woeful 60.9% this season) and two layup misses by Manyawu in overtime were bigger factors than who was on the floor and who wasn't.
 

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Based on shit I’m seeing from very positive, loyal and diehard Hawk hoops fans, Ben should tread lightly with the Peyton shit. That well of goodwill has been badly poisoned.
Said Iowa fans would be wise to remember the first Elite 8 in 40 years and understand that Ben, unlike the 70 year old Kirk and 65 year old Fran with sons in the program, is young and has other options that wouldn't have a panic attack if his kid tagged along.

And let's be honest, the Iowa program doesn't have much to offer Ben or the next coach. Poor fan attendance, aging arena, poor in-state high school talent, weak NIL, likely bad reputation among coaches, etc. It's not a great job.
 

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Wow, that's way more pointed than I anticipated from Iowa media.
Leistikow has long been onboard with the that's not fair!/nepotism crowd. He's the pussy that went public with and had PTSD over Brian using profanity in the press box before he was even hated by fans. And, of course, he was oh so concerned and breathlessly reporting on every moment of the 2020 racial bullshit.
 

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Leistikow has long been onboard with the that's not fair!/nepotism crowd. He's the pussy that went public with and had PTSD over Brian using profanity in the press box before he was even hated by fans. And, of course, he was oh so concerned and breathlessly reporting on every moment of the 2020 racial bullshit.
It is nepotism. Brian is a large baby, and reporters should have reported on the racism allegations. Leistikow didn't pull a Morehouse or Howe.
 

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Leistikow has long been onboard with the that's not fair!/nepotism crowd. He's the pussy that went public with and had PTSD over Brian using profanity in the press box before he was even hated by fans. And, of course, he was oh so concerned and breathlessly reporting on every moment of the 2020 racial bullshit.
1. Leistikow was doing his job, Brian was an embarrassing piece of shit and wasn't worthy of coaching at Iowa.

2. While a lot of the 2020 stuff was over the top or lies, there were major issues with Doyle and if not brought to light when they were, his shit might have continued and sunk Iowa or ended careers. It was brought to light, they dealt with it and are a much better program for it.

Leistikow is a reporter, he's doing his job. He is right about Ben and Peyton McCollum and is ultimately going to help them become aware of it if they dare to listen.
 

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It's interesting that Kirk never had an issue with playing his kids when they didn't deserve it. James and Brian performed well enough that it was never questioned. Steve's talent was never enough to get him close to any meaningful playing time.

This could be a great moment for Kirk to have a coach to coach conversation wtih Ben about the difficulties of the path that Ben has chosen.
 

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It's interesting that Kirk never had an issue with playing his kids when they didn't deserve it. James and Brian performed well enough that it was never questioned. Steve's talent was never enough to get him close to any meaningful playing time.

This could be a great moment for Kirk to have a coach to coach conversation wtih Ben about the difficulties of the path that Ben has chosen.
I think the whole OC thing might have fucked his credibility on things of this nature right on the ass, but that’s just me.
 

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No shit. I don’t know if Brian and James were playing in front of better players or not. Most people dont have that level of OL expertise. it’s certainly possible, perhaps even likely, that they were.

the OC thing was unacceptable. I actually am one of the few that thought his resume was good enough to justify it. Success at two different position coach roles, multiple award winners, first round picks, etc.

But it’s an important job, he failed, and his boss never even thought about holding him accountable. The prior AD let it turn into a joke and Kirk was stomping his feet and whining until long after Brian walked out the door.
 

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Here’s the thing with Peyton. Most people that pay attention know he’s not deserving other than his last name. But the problem is that he is taking legitimately important minutes from highly recruited players. Ethan Harris plays the same position as him. It’s not like Peyton got game experience last year. And he couldn’t participate in much of practice due to injury. So his only real advantage is being related to the coach.
 

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No shit. I don’t know if Brian and James were playing in front of better players or not. Most people dont have that level of OL expertise. it’s certainly possible, perhaps even likely, that they were.

the OC thing was unacceptable. I actually am one of the few that thought his resume was good enough to justify it. Success at two different position coach roles, multiple award winners, first round picks, etc.

But it’s an important job, he failed, and his boss never even thought about holding him accountable. The prior AD let it turn into a joke and Kirk was stomping his feet and whining until long after Brian walked out the door.
That also gave birth to the “punting is winning” faggotry that still permeates a portion of the fanbase. I’m sure that is mostly embraced by Tavern Hoks, which both disgust me.
 

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Sounds like he was right.
I'm not so sure about that, and it didn't appear Tyler Tachman, who normally covers Iowa men's BB for the Register instead of Leistikow, was either.

Leistikow is trying to advance this Coleman or Peyton angle, which is pretty convenient given how Coleman played. But Ben said it's Coleman or Combs. And Tachman indicated it's actually Peyton or Sage, who didn't play well and Ben was clearly not happy with in the post game press conference. At the 4-5 minute mark that Leistikow referenced, Sage entered and Peyton exited. That's pretty inconvenient for Leistikow, who appears to be implying that Ben is wrong or lying.
 

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That also gave birth to the “punting is winning” faggotry that still permeates a portion of the fanbase. I’m sure that is mostly embraced by Tavern Hoks, which both disgust me.
right. Imagine being proud of this.
 

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I'm not so sure about that, and it didn't appear Tyler Tachman, who normally covers Iowa men's BB for the Register instead of Leistikow, was either.

Leistikow is trying to advance this Coleman or Peyton angle, which is pretty convenient given how Coleman played. But Ben said it's Coleman or Combs. And Tachman indicated it's actually Peyton or Sage, who didn't play well and Ben was clearly not happy with in the post game press conference. At the 4-5 minute mark that Leistikow referenced, Sage entered and Peyton exited. That's pretty inconvenient for Leistikow, who appears to be implying that Ben is wrong or lying.
Ben is wrong and he's lying as well.
 

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Do you know who else didn’t play well?
Correct, but that doesn't prove Sage's poor play was above trying someone else.

As for Leistikow, he was wrong on the press box incident and the racial hysteria.
 

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I was on the this will work itself out when the competition improves track last week, but after Tuesday, that does not seem likely, barring an abrupt change of course. Peyton has attempted as many FGs (19) as Koch in a little less than half the minutes. That seems like a problem on two fronts.
 

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I was on the this will work itself out when the competition improves track last week, but after Tuesday, that does not seem likely, barring an abrupt change of course. Peyton has attempted as many FGs (19) as Koch in a little less than half the minutes. That seems like a problem on two fronts.
You're cherry picking stats. How did those same FG stats look in the one meaningful game we've played so far?
 

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You're cherry picking stats. How did those same FG stats look in the one meaningful game we've played so far?
Terrible, and exactly why Lil' Lordy Peyton shouldn't fucking see the court. He sucks.
 

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It seems Ben McCollum has quite the liar and scumbag streak in him already....

 

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Lol at Ben. The ol' "he's got a sprained ankle so let's play him a bunch in the first half, a bunch in the first 7 minutes in the 2nd half and then let's totally purposefully sit him for 10+ minutes in the second half after he's all warmed up only to shove him back in there the last 3 minutes in crunch time after he's now ice cold" because that totally is the sub pattern for a basketball player with an ankle injury.

What a fucking liar.
 
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