**2018 Iowa Basketball Offseason Thread**

[Bob]

I don’t want him on the Iowa Football team, because I don’t think he would be any good period. But I’ve said that time and time again.

Okay, sorry @Bob. Here's one.

Yes, here’s one. I like the talent we have at WR right now.

there are multiple juco walk ons on the two deep

 

[Revolver]

Definitely a crazy idea to give Wagner a shot to be Iowa's #5 WR over a talent like Kyle Groeneweg.

You can disagree with me about his prospects as a football player. But acting like there isn’t more talent at WR on the current roster than usual is as laughable as anything I’ve said.

Okay, sorry @Bob. Here's one.

Yes, here’s one. I like the talent we have at WR right now.

there are multiple juco walk ons on the two deep

Lol.

 

[Geese]

Catching a football is different than catching a basketball and he's definitely fast. He was a sprinter and an awesome kick returner in high school.

If he'd decided he'd wanted to play football out of high school he'd have been the highest rated WR prospect Iowa has signed in I don't even know how long

I'll concede that had he focused on FB in high school, he might have been something special- he certainly has some physical attributes. But he didn't, and Scott is a dim bulb.

Even with just one year he'd have been a huge recruit if he hadn't told everyone he wanted to stick with basketball. He got four stars from 247, at least one SEC offer, and had OSU trying to talk him into playing football for them instead. And that was with him telling everyone up front that he didn't want to play football and without doing the camp circuit and all that shit.

He's definitely playing catch-up so acting like he's going to instantly be Calvin Johnson is crazy, but so is completing writing off the possibility that he could be pretty good (or at least good enough to possibly contribute somewhere like Iowa)

I don’t want him on the Iowa Football team, because I don’t think he would be any good period. But I’ve said that time and time again.

Okay, sorry @Bob. Here's one.

Lol.

I don't know there seems to be lots of people who think suggesting he has any chance at all to be good is crazy, which I don't get, even though I'll concede that Dochterman is being way over the top the other direction

I think the bad vibes are directed towards Dochterman and not at all towards Wagner. He's obviously talented but Scott acting like he's a sure thing at the Big Ten level is absurd. I'd have no issues if Iowa took a chance on him, but I'd also go into it with no expectations.

 

[MikeyJoe]

Definitely a crazy idea to give Wagner a shot to be Iowa's #5 WR over a talent like Kyle Groeneweg.

You can disagree with me about his prospects as a football player. But acting like there isn’t more talent at WR on the current roster than usual is as laughable as anything I’ve said.

Define "than usual" because unless you mean like the last two years then yeah, we're gonna have to disagree at that point. I like the potential of some of the freshmen from the last two years but at this point it's just that. And all of that talent is so great that walkons are on the current two deeps.

 

[Wayne Rogers]

Can you imagine the dick sucking over at CF if this thing was happening to a Cyclone BB player?

 

[YugoslavianMountainHound]

Can you imagine the dick sucking over at CF if this thing was happening to a Cyclone BB player?

A couple hundred Dochtermans feeding off each other.

 

[Stomper15]

Seems like Scott is on standard beat writer personality progression.

He’s nowhere near Randy territory, however this Wagner stuff is embarrassing.

Kakert and Pharty or so horrific, the rest of the Iowa media doesn’t seem so bad.

So who is decent at this point?

 

[Geese]

Can you imagine the dick sucking over at CF if this thing was happening to a Cyclone BB player?

They'd be furiously scribbling Ahmad's name over Joel's in the Joel Line Package playbook

 

[Revolver]

I'll concede that had he focused on FB in high school, he might have been something special- he certainly has some physical attributes. But he didn't, and Scott is a dim bulb.

Even with just one year he'd have been a huge recruit if he hadn't told everyone he wanted to stick with basketball. He got four stars from 247, at least one SEC offer, and had OSU trying to talk him into playing football for them instead. And that was with him telling everyone up front that he didn't want to play football and without doing the camp circuit and all that shit.

He's definitely playing catch-up so acting like he's going to instantly be Calvin Johnson is crazy, but so is completing writing off the possibility that he could be pretty good (or at least good enough to possibly contribute somewhere like Iowa)

Okay, sorry @Bob. Here's one.

Lol.

I don't know there seems to be lots of people who think suggesting he has any chance at all to be good is crazy, which I don't get, even though I'll concede that Dochterman is being way over the top the other direction

I think the bad vibes are directed towards Dochterman and not at all towards Wagner. He's obviously talented but Scott acting like he's a sure thing at the Big Ten level is absurd. I'd have no issues if Iowa took a chance on him, but I'd also go into it with no expectations.

If there is a scholarship available I don’t have any problem with him giving it a try. I just don’t want to move Heaven and Earth to get him on the squad.

Definitely a crazy idea to give Wagner a shot to be Iowa's #5 WR over a talent like Kyle Groeneweg.

You can disagree with me about his prospects as a football player. But acting like there isn’t more talent at WR on the current roster than usual is as laughable as anything I’ve said.

Define "than usual" because unless you mean like the last two years then yeah, we're gonna have to disagree at that point. I like the potential of some of the freshmen from the last two years but at this point it's just that. And all of that talent is so great that walkons are on the current two deeps.

One walk on was legitimately good last year. I personally think ISM is as talented as any WR we have had in a while. Smith is a physical freak the likes of which we don’t see at Iowa. I can’t recall if Devonte Young transferred or not, but like him. Max Cooper, too. Then the incoming freshmen Samson Evans, Calvin Lockett, and especially Tyrone Tracy, Jr. I think we’re pretty good at WR right now personally.

And stop acting like the two deeps mean shit.

 

[MikeyJoe]

Seems like Scott is on standard beat writer personality progression.

He’s nowhere near Randy territory, however this Wagner stuff is embarrassing.

Kakert and Pharty or so horrific, the rest of the Iowa media doesn’t seem so bad.

So who is decent at this point?

Morehouse and Leistikow are fine.

 

[Bob]

He’s nowhere near Randy territory, however this Wagner stuff is embarrassing.

Kakert and Pharty or so horrific, the rest of the Iowa media doesn’t seem so bad.

So who is decent at this point?

Morehouse and Leistikow are fine.

Matthew Bain is good too

 

[Mo T]

I would much rather have a scholarship used and wasted on Wagner in football than I would a scholarship used in basketball.

 

[AZmessDAWG]

Can you imagine the dick sucking over at CF if this thing was happening to a Cyclone BB player?

damn

 

[Revolver]

I would much rather have a scholarship used and wasted on Wagner in football than I would a scholarship used in basketball.

No argument here.

 

[Bob]

Even with just one year he'd have been a huge recruit if he hadn't told everyone he wanted to stick with basketball. He got four stars from 247, at least one SEC offer, and had OSU trying to talk him into playing football for them instead. And that was with him telling everyone up front that he didn't want to play football and without doing the camp circuit and all that shit.

He's definitely playing catch-up so acting like he's going to instantly be Calvin Johnson is crazy, but so is completing writing off the possibility that he could be pretty good (or at least good enough to possibly contribute somewhere like Iowa)

Lol.

I don't know there seems to be lots of people who think suggesting he has any chance at all to be good is crazy, which I don't get, even though I'll concede that Dochterman is being way over the top the other direction

I think the bad vibes are directed towards Dochterman and not at all towards Wagner. He's obviously talented but Scott acting like he's a sure thing at the Big Ten level is absurd. I'd have no issues if Iowa took a chance on him, but I'd also go into it with no expectations.

If there is a scholarship available I don’t have any problem with him giving it a try. I just don’t want to move Heaven and Earth to get him on the squad.

You can disagree with me about his prospects as a football player. But acting like there isn’t more talent at WR on the current roster than usual is as laughable as anything I’ve said.

Define "than usual" because unless you mean like the last two years then yeah, we're gonna have to disagree at that point. I like the potential of some of the freshmen from the last two years but at this point it's just that. And all of that talent is so great that walkons are on the current two deeps.

One walk on was legitimately good last year. I personally think ISM is as talented as any WR we have had in a while. Smith is a physical freak the likes of which we don’t see at Iowa. I can’t recall if Devonte Young transferred or not, but like him. Max Cooper, too. Then the incoming freshmen Samson Evans, Calvin Lockett, and especially Tyrone Tracy, Jr. I think we’re pretty good at WR right now personally.

And stop acting like the two deeps mean shit.

Samson Evans has played less WR than Wagner has. And in terms of being a "physical specimen" Wagner is basically Smith but taller.

Edit: I somehow skipped over that you're including fucking Devonte Young as an example of all the potential we have at WR lol

 

[Geese]

I think the bad vibes are directed towards Dochterman and not at all towards Wagner. He's obviously talented but Scott acting like he's a sure thing at the Big Ten level is absurd. I'd have no issues if Iowa took a chance on him, but I'd also go into it with no expectations.

If there is a scholarship available I don’t have any problem with him giving it a try. I just don’t want to move Heaven and Earth to get him on the squad.

Define "than usual" because unless you mean like the last two years then yeah, we're gonna have to disagree at that point. I like the potential of some of the freshmen from the last two years but at this point it's just that. And all of that talent is so great that walkons are on the current two deeps.

One walk on was legitimately good last year. I personally think ISM is as talented as any WR we have had in a while. Smith is a physical freak the likes of which we don’t see at Iowa. I can’t recall if Devonte Young transferred or not, but like him. Max Cooper, too. Then the incoming freshmen Samson Evans, Calvin Lockett, and especially Tyrone Tracy, Jr. I think we’re pretty good at WR right now personally.

And stop acting like the two deeps mean shit.

Samson Evans has played less WR than Wagner has. And in terms of being a "physical specimen" Wagner is basically Smith but taller.

Smith's hair makes him look extra fast though.

 

[Revolver]

If there is a scholarship available I don’t have any problem with him giving it a try. I just don’t want to move Heaven and Earth to get him on the squad.
One walk on was legitimately good last year. I personally think ISM is as talented as any WR we have had in a while. Smith is a physical freak the likes of which we don’t see at Iowa. I can’t recall if Devonte Young transferred or not, but like him. Max Cooper, too. Then the incoming freshmen Samson Evans, Calvin Lockett, and especially Tyrone Tracy, Jr. I think we’re pretty good at WR right now personally.

And stop acting like the two deeps mean shit.

Samson Evans has played less WR than Wagner has. And in terms of being a "physical specimen" Wagner is basically Smith but taller.

Smith's hair makes him look extra fast though.

Smith’s everything makes him look extra fast.

 

[Revolver]

And sure, I’m being no different than Dochterman with the hot takes without knowing jack shit about how it would work out.

But I’m not getting paid for it.

 

[Geese]

You're also not stalking a college kid, which is good.

 

[Revolver]

Going to be an interesting few weeks/months for the basketball program. Cole Huff committed to Creighton in early May a few years back, so may have to wait a while if the move is a grad transfer.

 

[Herky823]

You're also not stalking a college kid, which is good.

You don't know that.

 

[Revolver]

You're also not stalking a college kid, which is good.

You don't know that.

How do you know he doesn’t know that?

 

[FrodoTBaggin]

WR would be his best option because it's a bit easier to step into that position. But he is not a college WR, and he isn't playing TE at Iowa.

I disagree. I honestly think his best option would be on defense. From what we’ve seen of him on the court he isn’t fast, cannot catch, and is clumsy. I think putting on some weight and being used on the DL as a edge rusher would be his best bet.

This entire post is really fucking retarded.

 

[Revolver]

WR would be his best option because it's a bit easier to step into that position. But he is not a college WR, and he isn't playing TE at Iowa.

I disagree. I honestly think his best option would be on defense. From what we’ve seen of him on the court he isn’t fast, cannot catch, and is clumsy. I think putting on some weight and being used on the DL as a edge rusher would be his best bet.

This entire post is really fucking retarded.

Didn’t you read the user handle before you read the post?

 

[FrodoTBaggin]

Gotta leave some wiggle room, Rev. Like dougie.

 

[Revolver]

Gotta leave some wiggle room, Rev. Like dougie.

Everyone knows that is not my style.

Make hot take. Dig in. Die on that hill. That’s the list for Revo.

 

[Revolver]

He lists these potential grad transfers.

Aaron Carlixte (5-11, 175) — transferring from Maine, averaged 16.9 points per game this season; Oklahoma is currently pursuing him.

Joseph Chartouny (6-3, 205) — transferring from Fordham, scored in double figures all three years, named to the Atlantic 10 All-Defensive team this year; he was just granted his release, but he will get plenty of interest.

Yes please.

Mike Cunningham (6-1, 190) — transferring from University of South Carolina Upstate, averaged 13.7 points and 3.1 assists per game this year; Western Kentucky, UAB, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Valparaiso, Tulane, Wyoming, VCU, South Carolina and Nevada have all shown interest, per ESPN’s Jeff Goodman.

 

[CamelTones]

Skimming through the HR podcast. Kakert thinks more are leaving but not Nunge, bohannon, Garza and obviously Baer and Connor. Thinks Kriener back also. Leaves Pemsl, Dailey and Moss. Said he thinks the other guys are fence sitting but if it happens it will be soon and not drag out.

Kakert is just throwing darts again. Most people on here seem to think it is possible more leave and have mentioned Pemsl and Dailey. Kakert doesn’t know shit.

I was wondering why someone like Hiawatha, CamelTones (or anyone for that matter) would listen to anything Kakert said after all of the revelations that he didn’t know shit recently. Not that this is a new thing, but it has really been bad lately.

Anyone giving that site clicks, views, and even worse $9.99 a month is blowing it.

I spend 90% of my time at work working by myself. I'm not a fan of Kakert but he's the only Iowa podcast that talks about recruiting.

 

[eclone]

Can you imagine the dick sucking over at CF if this thing was happening to a Cyclone BB player?

Stevie Johnson finished up his basketball eligibility as a starter on a 32-5 basketball team, then stuck around the next fall to play meaningful snaps as LB as a 5th year eligible football player on a team that went 9-3. I'm sure he had his dick sucked regularily...but I don't think any of the girls I saw him with posted on ISU message boards.

He then went back to basketball and played as a pro in Europe for 13 years until retiring in 2015.

His dad had an NFL career cut short after 2 years due to injuries so he pushed him away from football toward basketball in high school.

 

[Hawkstrat]

K

 

[Revolver]

Can you imagine the dick sucking over at CF if this thing was happening to a Cyclone BB player?

Stevie Johnson finished up his basketball eligibility as a starter on a 32-5 basketball team, then stuck around the next fall to play meaningful snaps as LB as a 5th year eligible football player on a team that went 9-3. I'm sure he had his dick sucked regularily...but I don't think any of the girls I saw him with posted on ISU message boards.

He then went back to basketball and played as a pro in Europe for 13 years until retiring in 2015.

His dad had an NFL career cut short after 2 years due to injuries so he pushed him away from football toward basketball in high school.

 

[Hawk_Kegmasters]

Can you imagine the dick sucking over at CF if this thing was happening to a Cyclone BB player?

Stevie Johnson finished up his basketball eligibility as a starter on a 32-5 basketball team, then stuck around the next fall to play meaningful snaps as LB as a 5th year eligible football player on a team that went 9-3. I'm sure he had his dick sucked regularily...but I don't think any of the girls I saw him with posted on ISU message boards.

He then went back to basketball and played as a pro in Europe for 13 years until retiring in 2015.

His dad had an NFL career cut short after 2 years due to injuries so he pushed him away from football toward basketball in high school.

 

[Bob Sanders]

Wagner could end up in the NFL at TE, or he could wash out. He could maybe play WR at Iowa, but he is going to have a tough time getting snaps at TE with Fant and Beyer already being receiving specialists on the roster and ready to go.

He probably should go to a high level FCS school that will give him playing time at TE. NFL scouts will find you anywhere, so being at an FCS won't hurt his NFL chances at all. He just needs to get bigger/stronger and show ability as a receiver to get a chance. Luckily for him, the NFL loves upside. If he is even remotely productive in college, I wouldn't be surprised see him on a practice squad for a year or two while a team tries to develop him.

Bottom line, he was a dumbass for not doing this last spring. He wasted a year playing ~10 mins/game in a clogged up position group for absolutely no good reason.

 

[Revolver]

Wagner could end up in the NFL at TE, or he could wash out. He could maybe play WR at Iowa, but he is going to have a tough time getting snaps at TE with Fant and Beyer already being receiving specialists on the roster and ready to go.

He probably should go to a high level FCS school that will give him playing time at TE. NFL scouts will find you anywhere, so being at an FCS won't hurt his NFL chances at all. He just needs to get bigger/stronger and show ability as a receiver to get a chance. Luckily for him, the NFL loves upside. If he is even remotely productive in college, I wouldn't be surprised see him on a practice squad for a year or two while a team tries to develop him.

Bottom line, he was a dumbass for not doing this last spring. He wasted a year playing 10 mins/game in a clogged up position group for absolutely no good reason.

Iowa or an FCS school seems like the only reasonable play for Ahmad.

 

[HerkyHopeful]

That Dochterman guy is a fucking turd.

I love that he doesn't even consider the fact that Wagner in basketball shape is 6'7'' 235 pounds.

That makes him bigger than Calvin Johnson (6'5'' 236 pounds) and he hasn't even done football workouts. He is much, much more likely to be a TE at the college or pro level.

Wagner might end up being a good player, but Dochterman has lost it. He is pretty much running around screaming that Wagner would be the best receiver in the Big Ten right now even though he has only played 1 year of football ever and hasn't played in nearly 4 years and never even looked at a college playbook or run a proper route.

The difference from the players Scott previously listed is that they end up at TE or OL. Basketball players are typically more agile/athletic than your standard TE or OL. Not so much at WR. Which is why everyone but Scott probably sees him as a TE (@scott you know the position with success in transitioning basketball players)

That said, Iowa's WR talent is the opposite of deep. Give him a shot to beat out that Groenewaejrlwkjeg kid.

 

[Bob Sanders]

Wagner could end up in the NFL at TE, or he could wash out. He could maybe play WR at Iowa, but he is going to have a tough time getting snaps at TE with Fant and Beyer already being receiving specialists on the roster and ready to go.

He probably should go to a high level FCS school that will give him playing time at TE. NFL scouts will find you anywhere, so being at an FCS won't hurt his NFL chances at all. He just needs to get bigger/stronger and show ability as a receiver to get a chance. Luckily for him, the NFL loves upside. If he is even remotely productive in college, I wouldn't be surprised see him on a practice squad for a year or two while a team tries to develop him.

Bottom line, he was a dumbass for not doing this last spring. He wasted a year playing 10 mins/game in a clogged up position group for absolutely no good reason.

Iowa or an FCS school seems like the only reasonable play for Ahmad.

I realize that I'm slightly contradicting myself, but an argument could be made that a redshirt would be okay because 2018 is a throwaway/developmental year for him anyway. His NFL chances really come down to his 2019 tape.

If he were able to find an FBS program that would work really hard to develop this year and then feature him in 2019, his chances would probably be the same as the FCS scenario. That's a best case scenario that could easily go wrong, but it's not that crazy.

 

[HerkyHopeful]

Going to be an interesting few weeks/months for the basketball program. Cole Huff committed to Creighton in early May a few years back, so may have to wait a while if the move is to finish as a runner-up for a grad transfer.

 

[douglasbader]

Wagner could end up in the NFL at TE, or he could wash out. He could maybe play WR at Iowa, but he is going to have a tough time getting snaps at TE with Fant and Beyer already being receiving specialists on the roster and ready to go.

He probably should go to a high level FCS school that will give him playing time at TE. NFL scouts will find you anywhere, so being at an FCS won't hurt his NFL chances at all. He just needs to get bigger/stronger and show ability as a receiver to get a chance. Luckily for him, the NFL loves upside. If he is even remotely productive in college, I wouldn't be surprised see him on a practice squad for a year or two while a team tries to develop him.

Bottom line, he was a dumbass for not doing this last spring. He wasted a year playing 10 mins/game in a clogged up position group for absolutely no good reason.

Iowa or an FCS school seems like the only reasonable play for Ahmad.

I realize that I'm slightly contradicting myself, but an argument could be made that a redshirt would be okay because 2018 is a throwaway/developmental year for him anyway. His NFL chances really come down to his 2019 tape.

If he were able to find an FBS program that would work really hard to develop this year and then feature him in 2019, his chances would probably be the same as the FCS scenario. That's a best case scenario that could easily go wrong, but it's not that crazy.

I think a redshirt is more than fine for him, but it seems like he needs a scholarship and would take some FBS school willing to burn a spot and a year wait to take a flyer on a player that has barely played football and hasn't played in a long time.

Think it would have to be someone like a MAC or lower level program that is desperate or simply has a spot to burn. I would doubt there would be any serious Power 5 teams that would do it.

 

[Revolver]

I think the bad vibes are directed towards Dochterman and not at all towards Wagner. He's obviously talented but Scott acting like he's a sure thing at the Big Ten level is absurd. I'd have no issues if Iowa took a chance on him, but I'd also go into it with no expectations.

If there is a scholarship available I don’t have any problem with him giving it a try. I just don’t want to move Heaven and Earth to get him on the squad.

Define "than usual" because unless you mean like the last two years then yeah, we're gonna have to disagree at that point. I like the potential of some of the freshmen from the last two years but at this point it's just that. And all of that talent is so great that walkons are on the current two deeps.

One walk on was legitimately good last year. I personally think ISM is as talented as any WR we have had in a while. Smith is a physical freak the likes of which we don’t see at Iowa. I can’t recall if Devonte Young transferred or not, but like him. Max Cooper, too. Then the incoming freshmen Samson Evans, Calvin Lockett, and especially Tyrone Tracy, Jr. I think we’re pretty good at WR right now personally.

And stop acting like the two deeps mean shit.

Samson Evans has played less WR than Wagner has. And in terms of being a "physical specimen" Wagner is basically Smith but taller.

Edit: I somehow skipped over that you're including fucking Devonte Young as an example of all the potential we have at WR lol

How is citing the potential Devonte Young any more laugh worthy than being high on Ahmad Wagner?

I know one is 6’0” and one is 6’7”. But when it all comes down to it, we know less about Wagner than Young.

 

[Stomper15]

Jesus -- I just listened to yesterday's Kakert podcast. Dude is entering Skip Bayless rumormonger territory. On top of that, the dude is so smug. He wasn't always this bad.

 

[nolookpass]

If Joel Lanning can go from quarterback and do a reasonable job at linebacker within a year I think Ahmad Wagner has a chance to be a good football player. He's much more athletic than Landnng ever dreamed of being

 

[Stomper15]

If Joel Lanning can go from quarterback and do a reasonable job at linebacker within a year I think Ahmad Wagner has a chance to be a good football player. He's much more athletic than Landnng ever dreamed of being

I'm going to start trusting this guy more

 

[MikeyJoe]

Let's reiterate - the idea that Wagner could play D1 football is not ridiculous.

The idea that he could be the best WR in the Big Ten because Ohio State sort of recruited him 4 years ago is ridiculous.

 

[douglasbader]

Let's reiterate - the idea that Wagner could play D1 football is not ridiculous.

The idea that he could be the best WR in the Big Ten because Ohio State sort of recruited him 4 years ago is ridiculous.

Also, we should reiterate even further that every single person on here except for one thinks Wagner could play D1 football and might end up being really good.

There are only 2 people that have set up to the extreme, on the negative side is Revo and the weirdo side is Dochterman.

Everyone else is being completely reasonable.

 

[Revolver]

We can disagree on Ahmad’s prospects as football player going forward, but I’m sure we all agree that we want it to work out for him.

 

[Stomper15]

 

[Revolver]

Let's reiterate - the idea that Wagner could play D1 football is not ridiculous.

The idea that he could be the best WR in the Big Ten because Ohio State sort of recruited him 4 years ago is ridiculous.

Also, we should reiterate even further that every single person on here except for one thinks Wagner could play D1 football and might end up being really good.

There are only 2 people that have set up to the extreme, on the negative side is Revo and the weirdo side is Dochterman.

Everyone else is being completely reasonable.

I never said he couldn’t be a D1 football player. I said I don’t want to move Heaven and Earth to get him on the squad. I think he’d be a fascinating defensive prospect. I seem to be the only one.

 

[douglasbader]

Let's reiterate - the idea that Wagner could play D1 football is not ridiculous.

The idea that he could be the best WR in the Big Ten because Ohio State sort of recruited him 4 years ago is ridiculous.

Also, we should reiterate even further that every single person on here except for one thinks Wagner could play D1 football and might end up being really good.

There are only 2 people that have set up to the extreme, on the negative side is Revo and the weirdo side is Dochterman.

Everyone else is being completely reasonable.

I never said he couldn’t be a D1 football player. I said I don’t want to move Heaven and Earth to get him on the squad.

Your posts from the last page imply you don't really think that.....

I disagree. From what we’ve seen of him on the court he isn’t fast, cannot catch, and is clumsy.

I don’t want him on the Iowa Football team, because I don’t think he would be any good period. But I’ve said that time and time again.

 

[Geese]

Dochterman is tearing us apart!

He's such a fucking goober.

 

[Revolver]

Also, we should reiterate even further that every single person on here except for one thinks Wagner could play D1 football and might end up being really good.

There are only 2 people that have set up to the extreme, on the negative side is Revo and the weirdo side is Dochterman.

Everyone else is being completely reasonable.

I never said he couldn’t be a D1 football player. I said I don’t want to move Heaven and Earth to get him on the squad.

Your posts from the last page imply you don't really think that.....

I disagree. From what we’ve seen of him on the court he isn’t fast, cannot catch, and is clumsy.

I don’t want him on the Iowa Football team, because I don’t think he would be any good period. But I’ve said that time and time again.

At WR at Iowa.