Kirk’s son, Kirk’s son, Kirk’s son, Brian Ferentz (Kirk's back in the fight, boyz!!)

[douglasbader]

Anyways, hoping everyone involved comes to their senses in 4 weeks and sees this as huge opportunity for the football program. Kirk of course is the key either way. If he grows up and gets over this, there is the opportunity to re-vamp the offensive staff and system that still fits his complementary football thing but modernizes it.

This isn't Hayden Fry 1998 and the cupboard is bare. The new OC is going to be walking through the door with a stable of good RB's, a solid veteran QB that should finally be healthy and potentially 2 healthy NFL TE's.

They desperately need a new WR and new OL coach and to replenish the OL via the portal and development, but the rest isn't bad. The defense should once again be stout and gaps filled via the portal.

 

[kmurp]

It's wild that this was Brian's first Power 5 game and second game overall as OC.....

44 points and 497 yards of offense. 333 yards and 5 TD's passing. 164 yards and 1 TD rushing. 67% completion percentage. 7/15 on 3rd downs. Incredible, exciting game with the ball being thrown all over the field. What in the fuck happened and how did it come to this.


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Recruiting.

 

[newsbreaker]

Recruiting.

I think this is more than some of it. Brian took over as OC with kids recruited under a different OC. As “his” kids entered the system, the results faltered.

 

[douglasbader]

I think this is more than some of it. Brian took over as OC with kids recruited under a different OC. As “his” kids entered the system, the results faltered.

Beathard was a KOK recruit. Stanley a Greg Davis recruit.

Petras and the rest of the shit since (including Fat Marco) are all both KOK and Brian dual recruits.

 

[OlePeep]

The Belechick coaching tree is full of them

as this week's events have cracked open old scars, I remembered one big part of my enthusiasm about Brian taking over as OC was the belief he might be the only person who could convince Kirk to change his rigid O philosophy, even if incrementally. An ambassador of the New Age of CFB from inside the fam, his beloved oldest son. That hope was dashed utterly.

 

[TJones3312]

Beathard was a KOK recruit. Stanley a Greg Davis recruit.

Petras and the rest of the shit since (including Fat Marco) are all both KOK and Brian dual recruits.

Hopefully the end of Brian also means the end of Tony the qb guru.

 

[Saul Berkley]

He left and Kirk didn’t replace him with a real QB coach. He felt that job was best left to Brian. Failure

I truly think Kirk giving Brian the QB coach job was as bad or worse than the decision to give him the OC job. They should have went out and hired an actual QB coach. Their inability to recruit, develop, and evaluate QB play is by far their biggest weakness.

 

[douglasbader]

Betts and Hodge can stay. Everyone else remotely associated with the offense has to go.

 

[brantshawks]

There’s probably a better fuckhead royal I can’t think of.

Willie Wilson.

 

[Thomas Wolsey]

I don’t hate the OL coach either.

 

[Herky823]

I don’t hate the OL coach either.

Does he make a good fruit cake or something?

 

[Thomas Wolsey]

Does he make a good fruit cake or something?

The level of ability he inherited was so bad. Coupled with the shit scheme and complete inability to throw the ball, IDK how one could even know.

 

[Hawkstrat]

If they are even considering Budmayr, there is zero reason to not have him and Brian switch roles the rest of the way.

 

[thrawn]

Willie Wilson.

don’t you dare

 

[HCPhawk]

If they are even considering Budmayr, there is zero reason to not have him and Brian switch roles the rest of the way.

If we change something the offense might suck.

 

[ivan_drago]

Anyways, hoping everyone involved comes to their senses in 4 weeks and sees this as huge opportunity for the football program. Kirk of course is the key either way. If he grows up and gets over this, there is the opportunity to re-vamp the offensive staff and system that still fits his complementary football thing but modernizes it.

This isn't Hayden Fry 1998 and the cupboard is bare. The new OC is going to be walking through the door with a stable of good RB's, a solid veteran QB that should finally be healthy and potentially 2 healthy NFL TE's.

They desperately need a new WR and new OL coach and to replenish the OL via the portal and development, but the rest isn't bad. The defense should once again be stout and gaps filled via the portal.

Well, if the good players all stay. They’ve got a green light to take off now.

 

[Hawk&Balls]

Well, if the good players all stay. They’ve got a green light to take off now.

who?

 

[newsbreaker]

If they are even considering Budmayr, there is zero reason to not have him and Brian switch roles the rest of the way.

Devil's advocate: They switch roles, the offense continues to be shit, they lose one or more games down the stretch. The public opinion of Budmayr will be that he's an unacceptable candidate, and recruits will agree. In reality, we won't know anything about him except a hobbled look at play calling, which will still come out of Brian's playbook.

 

[HCPhawk]

I truly think Kirk giving Brian the QB coach job was as bad or worse than the decision to give him the OC job. They should have went out and hired an actual QB coach. Their inability to recruit, develop, and evaluate QB play is by far their biggest weakness.

Of all the obviously stupid decisions that led up to this, making Brian QB coach was probably the worst. It made absolutely zero sense and just reeked of nepotism and favoritism. It predictably blew up in their faces and led to 3 years of the worst QB play I can remember.

 

[Gushawk]

I don’t want Budamyr to become interim OC. Too easy to just slide him into the interim role, which would be the worst possible outcome imo. Hiring Paul Chryst’s old ass would be a million times better, and should be a worst case scenario.

 

[Hawkstrat]

I don’t want Budamyr to become interim OC. Too easy to just slide him into the interim role, which would be the worst possible outcome imo. Hiring Paul Chryst’s old ass would be a million times better, and should be a worst case scenario.

I don't think it would make it any easier, unless Iowa's offense looked better during this final stretch.

The only time Iowa looks halfway competent is during the scripted plays, I assume Budmayr has a hand in that.

 

[Saul Berkley]

Of all the obviously stupid decisions that led up to this, making Brian QB coach was probably the worst. It made absolutely zero sense and just reeked of nepotism and favoritism. It predictably blew up in their faces and led to 3 years of the worst QB play I can remember.

Yep. Kirk doubled down on Brian and sealed his fate at that point. It made no sense to put a former OL coach in charge of QBs and his rationale was just stupid.

 

[JR Hawks]

The revisionist history on KOK is pretty funny. KOK was hated by the fanbase. They wanted him fired.

There was also pretty strong consensus a couple years ago that the OC and QB coach needed to be the same person as that was how it was done at most schools.

 

[SteadyEddy]

Of all the obviously stupid decisions that led up to this, making Brian QB coach was probably the worst. It made absolutely zero sense and just reeked of nepotism and favoritism. It predictably blew up in their faces and led to 3 years of the worst QB play I can remember.

The recruiting is bad, but it has to be in large part coaching and development. Every single QB recruit can't be THAT bad. They were all good high school players with at least moderate college interest. Even if they are MAC level recruits, you see MAC QB's outplaying all the guys on our roster. There were a lot of jokes that Hill was a better option because he hadn't had starter reps and had his brain completely poisoned by Brian. He comes out and looks serviceable against MSU and gets worse with each start. There has to be something to it.

 

[SteadyEddy]

The revisionist history on KOK is pretty funny. KOK was hated by the fanbase. They wanted him fired.

There was also pretty strong consensus a couple years ago that the OC and QB coach needed to be the same person as that was how it was done at most schools.

There is no revisionist history. It's realizing the guy that kinda sucked in the past is still way better than the current guy.

 

[Hawkstrat]

Also, Chryst would be great. He basically had at Wisconsin what Iowa could be with a good offense.

Wisconsin should be commended for seeing he wasn't doing the things he needed to do to keep it going, but as an OC under Kirk, it's hard to imagine a better fit.

 

[Herky823]

who?

I know you're doing your bit here but doug listed it in his post. None of us think Cade is a world beater but a non-Brian OC could make him perfectly serviceable. The TEs and RBs are good, though.

 

[Creed]

If this guy is our option, we should all just kill ourselves.

 

[ivan_drago]

who?

Good bit. Hilarious!

 

[Geese]

This thread and everything was a fun distraction for the first 24 hours, but now today 48 hours later it just sucks. I'm not excited for a new OC and especially not for the rest of the season.

Today was sad to witness, right or wrong or by his own creation, a great man and great coach be completely humiliated by time and circumstance as he nears the end of his career and end of his life.

He's going out on the sourest of notes and 25 years as a head coach at the University of Iowa is now tarnished in his mind because of everything leading up to today.

I love Kirk. He's been fantastic for Iowa. I wanted to see him leave being figuratively (or literally) carried out on the shoulders of his players and spend the next 20 years cutting to a shot of him in the premium seating press box at Kinnick getting standing ovations.

His career has been a giant chunk of our collective lives. 44 years old now, was a teenager when he started. He's roughly my Dad's age and likely close to the age of many of your father's on here.

5 Top 10 finishes. 10 times ranked in the Top 25. 21 bowl games. Rose Bowl. Orange Bowl x2. Heisman runner up. Undefeated season, inches from the College Football Playoff, a freight train of NFL players, countless memorable upset wins of Top 5 teams and millions donated to the Iowa Children's Hospital.

It's downright sad how this is ending and he deserved better from himself and everyone else. I take zero joy in any of this.

Great post douglass. I couldn't agree more. I was 10 when Kirk was hired. I have some vague memories of Hayden but Kirk really is the only coach I remember. Seeing him dejected was hard to watch. I love Kirk and want him to go out on top but it's hard to see it at the moment.

 

[thrawn]

The revisionist history on KOK is pretty funny. KOK was hated by the fanbase. They wanted him fired.

There was also pretty strong consensus a couple years ago that the OC and QB coach needed to be the same person as that was how it was done at most schools.

I always thought KOK was fine. I still think he was fine. Not spectacular but competent as the numbers show.

The OC/QB coach alignment was a pretty clear misread. They’re usually the same person because QB coaches disproportionately become OCs. Iowa read the it as QB coach following OCs, either incompetently or willingly.

 

[Hawk&Balls]

I know you're doing your bit here

No bit. There are zero players on offense that we can't lose. If one of All/Lachey come back, that's great, but they're also both upper classmen and at least in Lachey's case have a good chance to be drafted early-ish. Sure, the running backs have been fine, but if 1-2 were to not come back they certainly aren't replacable. And there are no linemen or receivers that we are in trouble if they dont return next year.

 

[newsbreaker]

If this guy is our option, we should all just kill ourselves.
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I think that's my neighbor.

All of them. It's every middle aged guy in my neighborhood.

 

[Thomas Wolsey]

Also, Chryst would be great. He basically had at Wisconsin what Iowa could be with a good offense.

Wisconsin should be commended for seeing he wasn't doing the things he needed to do to keep it going, but as an OC under Kirk, it's hard to imagine a better fit.

He has also spent a year with Sarkisian, so hopefully he can run some of the RPO stuff reasonably well.

 

[Alan Lomax]

The recruiting is bad, but it has to be in large part coaching and development. Every single QB recruit can't be THAT bad. They were all good high school players with at least moderate college interest. Even if they are MAC level recruits, you see MAC QB's outplaying all the guys on our roster. There were a lot of jokes that Hill was a better option because he hadn't had starter reps and had his brain completely poisoned by Brian. He comes out and looks serviceable against MSU and gets worse with each start. There has to be something to it.

He wasn’t serviceable against msu. He sucked in that game too. If you can’t complete 50% of your passes in high level college football you are at the wrong level. He’s at the wrong level.

 

[Fair and Balanced]

Kirk probably isn’t leaving, if he does he certainly won’t be a dick about it, he can be wrong about things but the idea he has or would harm the program out of spite is absolutely retarded (and that includes his personnel decisions), the press conference wasn’t that big of a deal and won’t matter at all in a couple of weeks and, while all of this is a significant development, it is being blown completely out of proportion.

Carry on.

 

[Thomas Wolsey]

No bit. There are zero players on offense that we can't lose. If one of All/Lachey come back, that's great, but they're also both upper classmen and at least in Lachey's case have a good chance to be drafted early-ish. Sure, the running backs have been fine, but if 1-2 were to not come back they certainly aren't replacable. And there are no linemen or receivers that we are in trouble if they dont return next year.

You can’t replace an OL or all the running backs through transfers. A player here or there, fine. But mass transfers would be a disaster.

 

[HiG 2.0]

Kirk won’t leave hating Iowa. He will leave hating Beth. But I’m guessing he will want a few more years unless he’s just not wanting to deal with the new conference, NIL and the portal.

 

[FrodoTBaggin]

The revisionist history on KOK is pretty funny. KOK was hated by the fanbase. They wanted him fired.

There was also pretty strong consensus a couple years ago that the OC and QB coach needed to be the same person as that was how it was done at most schools.

Of course he was hated by the fan base. That's not the point. Everyone knows that but revisionist history also shows, the offense was tolerable and if mated with recent defenses, would be more than adequate. Dream worthy even. And likely as good as a Kirk Ferentz offense is going to get.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

With all this said, fuck his fat retard selfish untalented dipshit fuck face son Kirk’s son, Kirk’s son, Brian Ferentz. He get's zero respect from me.

brian cannot help any of those things.

if I hire a special needs kid to do my taxes, and they are wrong, whose fault is it?

 

[newsbreaker]

brian cannot help any of those things.

if I hire a special needs kid to do my taxes, and they are wrong, whose fault is it?

Your client's.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

I don’t think bud can call plays. He’s not an assistant coach. He would have to be moved into an official coaching role.

 

[Bob Sanders]

I truly think Kirk giving Brian the QB coach job was as bad or worse than the decision to give him the OC job. They should have went out and hired an actual QB coach. Their inability to recruit, develop, and evaluate QB play is by far their biggest weakness.

This is kind of a pointless take, he was already past the firing point by then. What they needed at that point was a new OC/QB coach and a mostly new staff.

 

[Thomas Wolsey]

I don’t think bud can call plays. He’s not an assistant coach. He would have to be moved into an official coaching role.

 

[Stu Beagle]

I hope Kirk walks away after this year and I think he will.

 

[Bob Sanders]

Betts and Hodge can stay. Everyone else remotely associated with the offense has to go.

I think they're just stashing Hodge at TE coach until Wallace gets a DC job which could very well be after this season.

 

[SuperHans]

How about another product of nepotism?

Mick Lombardi was just fired as Raiders OC. He is the son of Mike Lombardi, who was director of player personnel for the Browns when Kirk was there. He also has Belichick ties.

 

[TurdBurgler]

It's too bad that Kirk is taking this personally. The U of I isn't a family business.

And the reality is this doesn't happen if the offense is merely bad, even awful. It's the worst offense in cfb.

 

[Saul Berkley]

This is kind of a pointless take, he was already past the firing point by then. What they needed at that point was a new OC/QB coach and a mostly new staff.

Maybe my timeline is wrong but wasn't Brian named QB coach after the 2021 season? The first truly awful offensive season. If so, I think 2022 was the truly pivotal year. My point is I think the main reason the offense has sucked isn't just playcalling. It's how they are coaching and developing the QB spot. That's their biggest problem on offense.

 

[hawkeyealum]

Yes, KOK retired after the 21 season