Kirk’s son, Kirk’s son, Kirk’s son, Brian Ferentz (Kirk's back in the fight, boyz!!)

[ivan_drago]

brian cannot help any of those things.

if I hire a special needs kid to do my taxes, and they are wrong, whose fault is it?

It’s your fault for hiring your brother. You and Kirk have a lot in common, it seems.

 

[The Incredible Hawk]

It's wild that this was Brian's first Power 5 game and second game overall as OC.....

44 points and 497 yards of offense. 333 yards and 5 TD's passing. 164 yards and 1 TD rushing. 67% completion percentage. 7/15 on 3rd downs. Incredible, exciting game with the ball being thrown all over the field. What in the fuck happened and how did it come to this.


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This makes me sad.

 

[Harlan]

It's too bad that Kirk is taking this personally. The U of I isn't a family business.

And the reality is this doesn't happen if the offense is merely bad, even awful. It's the worst offense in cfb.

Is there evidence that he’s truly taking this personally?

 

[Bob Sanders]

Maybe my timeline is wrong but wasn't Brian named QB coach after the 2021 season? The first truly awful offensive season. If so, I think 2022 was the truly pivotal year. My point is I think the main reason the offense has sucked isn't just playcalling. It's how they are coaching and developing the QB spot. That's their biggest problem on offense.

90% of what people call development is actually just good recruiting. That's Phil's primary skill, even more than coaching.

Either way, both Brian and Petras needed to be gone at that point. The ridiculous PR charades trying to convince everyone that Brian and Spencer would become competent going into the '21 season were an affront to all people with critical thinking skills.

 

[Brad Wesley]

I cannot believe Kirk was going to pull the same post season evaluation horseshit and bring Brian back again. I’m not sure it was an intentional tactic to make getting Brian more difficult but it sure as hell looks like it. “Sorry Beth, even if we wanted to look at other OCs, there aren’t any available”

 

[Finnegan]

Doug said it best and agree completely. Watching the press conference sucked. Hopefully with some time and proper reflection, KF affirms that he has good years left in him. Hires a competent OC and let's him run the offense. Iowa is competitive in the new look B10, fun to watch, and KF goes out with the adulation of the entire state that he deserves.

Anything else is not fun to think about.

 

[AZmessDAWG]

Ehhh I think I’d just rather see KF retire. I love him and wish he could stay but at this point I think it might be best for all parties.

 

[JamesMouton]

He's also 68 years old. Only Nick Saban and Mack Brown are older among active coaches. It's time.

 

[HerkyHopeful]

I think iowas best bet for long term success is a coach who "gets iowa" and values some of the current staff. A stupid dumbfuck carnival barker will have bits of success and tail off (similar to fleck, Campbell, etc).

For that I hope Kirk stays one more year and goes out on his terms, without the weight of his stupid son bringing him down. Get a legit OC who is a head coaching candidate and some continuity.

 

[Revolver]

That's the entire point I'm trying to make to you.

I get it.

None of it matters if you have an AD that will step in if need be. We didn’t and we do now.

 

[BuffettHawk]

I cannot believe Kirk was going to pull the same post season evaluation horseshit and bring Brian back again. I’m not sure it was an intentional tactic to make getting Brian more difficult but it sure as hell looks like it. “Sorry Beth, even if we wanted to look at other OCs, there aren’t any available”

I think Kirk would've moved the deck chairs around, and made Brian an analyst and Budameyer the OC. If that was going to happen, I'm glad Beth stepped in and kicked Brian's ass out of the building for good. If Kirk has one last push in him, it's not going to happen with Budameyer at OC.

 

[BillyBob]

Kurt was going to run it back with BriDawg at OC. Injuries/bad luck would be the excuse.

 

[StinkyMcFadden]

Brian is Kirk's hard hat moment.

 

[TurdBurgler]

Is there evidence that he’s truly taking this personally?

Maybe not. He seems salty based on body language and answers in the press conference.

 

[Harlan]

Maybe not. He seems salty based on body language and answers in the press conference.

Perhaps but you’re also making assumptions based on the demeanor of an almost 70 year old in the middle of a grueling season.

 

[douglasbader]

Kurt was going to run it back with BriDawg at OC. Injuries/bad luck would be the excuse.

1000000% true. His comments yesterday indicated he in no way thinks any of this is Brian's fault and is all bad luck and injuries. He was absolutely going to insist on Brian being back in 2024 and he was going to drag it out long enough where it would fuck recruiting and not be able to get a new OC candidate worth a shit.

That is exactly why Beth executed Brian publicly and did it now. She knew that letting Kirk play out the scenario he wanted would ruin any chance of a productive 2024 with a much harder schedule.

 

[AZmessDAWG]

Maybe not. He seems salty based on body language and answers in the press conference.

He also said multiple times “moving on” “focused on rest of the season” and that he respected the chain of command.

 

[Rolo Tomassi]

as this week's events have cracked open old scars, I remembered one big part of my enthusiasm about Brian taking over as OC was the belief he might be the only person who could convince Kirk to change his rigid O philosophy, even if incrementally. An ambassador of the New Age of CFB from inside the fam, his beloved oldest son. That hope was dashed utterly.

Yep, it turns out that at least in this case there's a lot of truth to the old adage about the acorn not falling far from the tree.

 

[Harlan]

He also said multiple times “moving on” “focused on rest of the season” and that he respected the chain of command.

The chain of command is the chain Kirk used to beat Barta with until Barta knew who was in command.

 

[Harlan]

I’m seeing early onset Kirk Derangement Syndrome and urge you all to check your blood sugar and check it often.

 

[The Full Monte]

I don’t want Budamyr to become interim OC. Too easy to just slide him into the interim role, which would be the worst possible outcome imo. Hiring Paul Chryst’s old ass would be a million times better, and should be a worst case scenario.

At the risk of sounding "DRAMATIC"....I would view Kirk simply handing the role to Budmayr as the final canary in the coal mine, and that it would be indisputable at that point that he needs to be "encouraged" to retire.

My hope is that in the events leading up to Monday, it was made clear to him that is not an option. But the tone of the comments yesterday wasn't exactly encouraging

 

[douglasbader]

Kirk doesn't fire people during the season and only makes coaching decisions after evaluating in January after the bowl game. That was no problem pre-portal and NIL.

You cannot do that in 2023. It's suicide. If you are going to move on from coaches, you have to do it no later than the day after the regular season is over. You can't wait until after the bowl game. Those days are long gone.

 

[The Full Monte]

The recruiting is bad, but it has to be in large part coaching and development. Every single QB recruit can't be THAT bad. They were all good high school players with at least moderate college interest. Even if they are MAC level recruits, you see MAC QB's outplaying all the guys on our roster. There were a lot of jokes that Hill was a better option because he hadn't had starter reps and had his brain completely poisoned by Brian. He comes out and looks serviceable against MSU and gets worse with each start. There has to be something to it.

I'm struggling to see how it's not a pretty simple choice. Either A) you have no ability to develop or coach QB's. Or B) you have no ability to recruit them.

I have a difficult time seeing a different option given the very recent history at the position

 

[Rolo Tomassi]

I know you're doing your bit here but doug listed it in his post. None of us think Cade is a world beater but a non-Brian OC could make him perfectly serviceable. The TEs and RBs are good, though.

Cade is never going to be healthy or "perfectly serviceable". Every Iowa fan will be holding his breath each time he scrambles out of the pocket or suddenly accelerates. All it's going to take is one quick move and he'll be back on the injured list.

 

[Bob Sanders]

I'm struggling to see how it's not a pretty simple choice. Either A) you have no ability to develop or coach QB's. Or B) you have no ability to recruit them.

I have a difficult time seeing a different option given the very recent history at the position

C) Both

 

[Hawkeye_Pierce]

I like Kirk. For that reason, the best outcome would be for him to grab a few more wins and hang it up at the end of the year. If he hangs on, even with a new OC, next year will be ugly as fuck. There will likely be some key losses to the portal not to mention graduation/NFL. At some point, the defense will be merely very good and not elite. That may be next year.

Iowa fans and their deification of coaches reminds me of Bears fans and Ditka. And every time it’s some dumb straw man like “Oh, so you want Brian Kelly?!” As if there’s not a huge middle ground between a red faced asshole and benevolent Kirk.

 

[TurdBurgler]

@AZmessDAWG loved Todd The Criminal

 

[AZmessDAWG]

Ok?

 

[Dr. Zaius]

Ok?

It’s not ok

 

[Soda Popinski]

It's ok to not be ok.

 

[Kerky]

Ehhh I think I’d just rather see KF retire. I love him and wish he could stay but at this point I think it might be best for all parties.

Yes. Everyone is dreaming around here to think that Kirk, if he stays, is going to select a competent choice for OC that he will allow to do what is necessary. There will be incremental improvement but also what decent OC would want to come here in this situation anyway.

I think he really intended to be able to hand the reigns to his son eventually and now that dream has been crushed with no chance at redemption. My guess is he will be looking more closely at the changes coming and decide now is the best time for all parties after all.

 

[RecreationalGynecologist]

Time to shut down this boringly repetitive thread

 

[douglasbader]

Time to shut down this boringly repetitive thread

 

[ivan_drago]

Time to shut down this boringly repetitive thread

Maybe we can pivot and tell crazy stories about how drunk our buddies got at the last game.

 

[Hawkeye_Pierce]

I’m seeing early onset Kirk Derangement Syndrome and urge you all to check your blood sugar and check it often.

Took about a day but we’re at the ‘change is scary!’ stage. Just got to give Kirk one more chance to not fuck up the OC hire. But if he does, that will be the final straw!!

 

[douglasbader]

Took about a day but we’re at the ‘change is scary!’ stage. Just got to give Kirk one more chance to not fuck up the OC hire. But if he does, that will be the final straw!!

Not a single person is thinking "change is scary" when it comes to this or that. I see we're at the "make up shit" stage.

 

[WizardHawk]

The Belechick coaching tree is full of them

Maybe KF can call ol’ buddy Belichick and convince him to not re-hire the now fired Josh McDaniel and send him to Iowa for an OC gig.

 

[Brad Wesley]

Kirk doesn't fire people during the season and only makes coaching decisions after evaluating in January after the bowl game. That was no problem pre-portal and NIL.

You cannot do that in 2023. It's suicide. If you are going to move on from coaches, you have to do it no later than the day after the regular season is over. You can't wait until after the bowl game. Those days are long gone.

Agreed, but do you think Kirk would’ve gotten rid of Brian after the season? I firmly believe he would’ve blamed injuries and personnel again and brought Brian back again.

 

[douglasbader]

Agreed, but do you think Kirk would’ve gotten rid of Brian after the season? I firmly believe he would’ve blamed injuries and personnel again and brought Brian back again.

1000000% true. His comments yesterday indicated he in no way thinks any of this is Brian's fault and is all bad luck and injuries. He was absolutely going to insist on Brian being back in 2024 and he was going to drag it out long enough where it would fuck recruiting and not be able to get a new OC candidate worth a shit.

That is exactly why Beth executed Brian publicly and did it now. She knew that letting Kirk play out the scenario he wanted would ruin any chance of a productive 2024 with a much harder schedule.

 

[Geese]

Took about a day but we’re at the ‘change is scary!’ stage. Just got to give Kirk one more chance to not fuck up the OC hire. But if he does, that will be the final straw!!

Who said it's scary?

 

[TurdBurgler]

There was no way Brian was coming back. His contract was specific about the points, no? So they would have had to re-sign him to a totally new contract at that point. No way that happens.

 

[Brad Wesley]

Does Kirk not understand he was going to fuck up recruiting by dragging this out or does he know and simply not care if it means protecting Brian?

I tend to think he’s more ignorant than anything but clearly that’s not acceptable at this point in time.

 

[hawkeyealum]

Maybe we can pivot and tell crazy stories about how drunk our buddies got at the last game.

On fireball

 

[Harlan]

Took about a day but we’re at the ‘change is scary!’ stage. Just got to give Kirk one more chance to not fuck up the OC hire. But if he does, that will be the final straw!!

I haven’t seen a single person say this on here. I was mocking the people claiming he is going to burn everything down.

 

[SuperHans]

Josh McDaniels getting fired mid season again should be mentioned anytime anyone mentions Brian’s credentials. That tree is baaaaad.

 

[Soda Popinski]

Candy corn fucking sucks.

 

[AZmessDAWG]

Took about a day but we’re at the ‘change is scary!’ stage. Just got to give Kirk one more chance to not fuck up the OC hire. But if he does, that will be the final straw!!

It’s amazing the thought process this post produced.

 

[The Full Monte]

You can’t replace an OL or all the running backs through transfers. A player here or there, fine. But mass transfers would be a disaster.

Over on 24/7, a couple weeks ago, David directly stated that he would expect significant transfers in the offseason. I would assume that was under the assumption that no changes were going to be made

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Over on 24/7, a couple weeks ago, David directly stated that he would expect significant transfers in the offseason. I would assume that was under the assumption that no changes were going to be made

transfers to where? Grand View?

 

[Fritz Fequiere]

I look forward to revisiting this thread when the new OC improves the offensive stats, the defense takes a bewildering step back roughly proportional to the offensive gain, and the year-in year-out record remains the same (adjusting for SOS of course).