**Official 2020 Iowa Hawkeye Football Offseason Thread**

[The Full Monte]

Two thoughts that probably belong in another thread, BFYIPTHA...

1). I like the fact that the first year with a new QB also includes the deepest most experienced group of WR Iowa has had in a long time. And like even more that the year after when we lose two SR WR, Iowa has a very talented 3rd yr starter at RB and what is most likely an incredibly talented TE group.


2). Sort of disappointing that two of the highest rated DB recruits Iowa has had recently in Craddeith and DJ Johnson don’t seem to be able to crack the depth chart.

DJ Johnson has been on the 2 deeps most of the season.

When we needed Reps from a backup at CB...wasn’t Moss the guy in? Not DJ?

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Hoping Britt beats out Banwart.

People are gonna be mad about Moss starting at CB but I also think that probably happens.

other than the PU game (and it was bad enough) I can’t remember a game where Riley wasn’t solid

I still think Iowa is missing the boat not moving him to FS

lol what? Because he’s white?

he’s small, short, and not particularly physical. In what world is that a good fit at at safety?

i would like to see him return punts.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

HaLo angle: my son swears Riley has been in our house. I don’t remember him.

I’ll call the Reg

Did your kid almost get kicked out of school as well?

 

[Bob]

Two thoughts that probably belong in another thread, BFYIPTHA...

1). I like the fact that the first year with a new QB also includes the deepest most experienced group of WR Iowa has had in a long time. And like even more that the year after when we lose two SR WR, Iowa has a very talented 3rd yr starter at RB and what is most likely an incredibly talented TE group.


2). Sort of disappointing that two of the highest rated DB recruits Iowa has had recently in Craddeith and DJ Johnson don’t seem to be able to crack the depth chart.

DJ Johnson has been on the 2 deeps most of the season.

When we needed Reps from a backup at CB...wasn’t Moss the guy in? Not DJ?

Once he got healthy yeah. He was hurt early in the year I think. DJ has looked pretty rough when he's played but Phil has gone out of his way to praise him the last two years so I'm sure he's in the discussion and it's definitely not fair to say he hasn't cracked the two deep. He started the first game. He's still really young, not everyone is going to be Des right out of the gate. There's a long list of Iowa corners who took some lumps early in their careers and became really good players by their junior or senior year.

Brents was also hurt all year so it's hard to know where he's going to fit in but he played as a freshman so they must be fairly high on him

 

[douglasbader]

Brents is by far the most talented CB on the roster, and that includes the guys who started this year. If he is healthy, I think Phil starts him.

 

[douglasbader]

Bottom line is Iowa overall has the most talent in the secondary that I can remember. We haven't even mentioned guys like Terry Roberts and Jermari Harris that played this year.

 

[The Full Monte]

other than the PU game (and it was bad enough) I can’t remember a game where Riley wasn’t solid

I still think Iowa is missing the boat not moving him to FS

lol what? Because he’s white?

he’s small, short, and not particularly physical. In what world is that a good fit at at safety?

i would like to see him return punts.

He’s taller than Koerner. But fine, he’s 12 lbs lighter.

And while I think he lacks the hips and ball skills to matchup against the better WR Iowa will face...I think he’s markedly more athletic than Koerner is. Moss had quite a few plays where he had great position, just didn’t get his body and head around fast enough. I think a move to FS allows him to play face up and I think he would actually excel there

As I stated a few posts ago, I’d really like to see a real ballhawk at FS. Koerner may be a smart player, but he lacks the athleticism to recover from small misreads.

In short, I think Moss could add some weight and be a more athletic version of Koerner

 

[douglasbader]

I know this is a longshot, but I hope the Iowa staff is at least reaching out to Quincy Roche. He is a grad transfer from Temple that is a stud and had 13 sacks and 18 tackles for loss. He could step in and start immediately and be a good replacement for Epenesa until the other guys develop.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Yeah koerner makes me nervous back there for sure. He was ok but seemed to get beat deep a lot.

 

[nolookpass]

I know this is a longshot, but I hope the Iowa staff is at least reaching out to Quincy Roche. He is a grad transfer from Temple that is a stud and had 13 sacks and 18 tackles for loss. He could step in and start immediately and be a good replacement for Epenesa until the other guys develop.

13 sacks is a great year. He’s not bound for the nfl with those numbers?

 

[Bob Sanders]

DJ Johnson has been on the 2 deeps most of the season.

When we needed Reps from a backup at CB...wasn’t Moss the guy in? Not DJ?

Once he got healthy yeah. He was hurt early in the year I think. DJ has looked pretty rough when he's played but Phil has gone out of his way to praise him the last two years so I'm sure he's in the discussion and it's definitely not fair to say he hasn't cracked the two deep. He started the first game. He's still really young, not everyone is going to be Des right out of the gate. There's a long list of Iowa corners who took some lumps early in their careers and became really good players by their junior or senior year.

Brents was also hurt all year so it's hard to know where he's going to fit in but he played as a freshman so they must be fairly high on him

DJ also started at CB against Iowa State and looked fine aside from the one trick play.

 

[JD720]

I know this is a longshot, but I hope the Iowa staff is at least reaching out to Quincy Roche. He is a grad transfer from Temple that is a stud and had 13 sacks and 18 tackles for loss. He could step in and start immediately and be a good replacement for Epenesa until the other guys develop.

13 sacks is a great year. He’s not bound for the nfl with those numbers?

He's listed at 235 lbs. He probably needs to add weight for the NFL to look at him seriously.

 

[thrawn]

I know this is a longshot, but I hope the Iowa staff is at least reaching out to Quincy Roche. He is a grad transfer from Temple that is a stud and had 13 sacks and 18 tackles for loss. He could step in and start immediately and be a good replacement for Epenesa until the other guys develop.

I thought I saw one of the beat guy suggest a DE grad transfer possibility so I assume the staff has at least suggested being open to it. For whatever reason the DL depth doesn’t feel great right now.

 

[CamelTones]

I know this is a longshot, but I hope the Iowa staff is at least reaching out to Quincy Roche. He is a grad transfer from Temple that is a stud and had 13 sacks and 18 tackles for loss. He could step in and start immediately and be a good replacement for Epenesa until the other guys develop.

I thought I saw one of the beat guy suggest a DE grad transfer possibility so I assume the staff has at least suggested being open to it. For whatever reason the DL depth doesn’t feel great right now.

They haven’t recruited a ton of name recruits since Epenesa. They’ve been landing more bodies with upside like Gholston was. I still think Reams or McCall will end up being solid.

Logan Lee is also going to be awesome.

 

[douglasbader]

I know this is a longshot, but I hope the Iowa staff is at least reaching out to Quincy Roche. He is a grad transfer from Temple that is a stud and had 13 sacks and 18 tackles for loss. He could step in and start immediately and be a good replacement for Epenesa until the other guys develop.

13 sacks is a great year. He’s not bound for the nfl with those numbers?

It shows he explored it but likely going to grad transfer and try to improve his stock more.

 

[Bob]

When we needed Reps from a backup at CB...wasn’t Moss the guy in? Not DJ?

Once he got healthy yeah. He was hurt early in the year I think. DJ has looked pretty rough when he's played but Phil has gone out of his way to praise him the last two years so I'm sure he's in the discussion and it's definitely not fair to say he hasn't cracked the two deep. He started the first game. He's still really young, not everyone is going to be Des right out of the gate. There's a long list of Iowa corners who took some lumps early in their careers and became really good players by their junior or senior year.

Brents was also hurt all year so it's hard to know where he's going to fit in but he played as a freshman so they must be fairly high on him

DJ also started at CB against Iowa State and looked fine aside from the one trick play.

He got picked on a lot early there but he was pretty good late in the game. It was also on the heels of the Miami(OH) game where they had to junk cash at halftime because he kept fucking up against what turned out to be a pretty shitty offense. I think he'll be fine though, freshman are gonna fuck up occasionally

 

[ChipHilton]

Once he got healthy yeah. He was hurt early in the year I think. DJ has looked pretty rough when he's played but Phil has gone out of his way to praise him the last two years so I'm sure he's in the discussion and it's definitely not fair to say he hasn't cracked the two deep. He started the first game. He's still really young, not everyone is going to be Des right out of the gate. There's a long list of Iowa corners who took some lumps early in their careers and became really good players by their junior or senior year.

Brents was also hurt all year so it's hard to know where he's going to fit in but he played as a freshman so they must be fairly high on him

DJ also started at CB against Iowa State and looked fine aside from the one trick play.

He got picked on a lot early there but he was pretty good late in the game. It was also on the heels of the Miami(OH) game where they had to junk cash at halftime because he kept fucking up against what turned out to be a pretty shitty offense. I think he'll be fine though, freshman are gonna fuck up occasionally

The somewhat insider poster herk90 suggested that DJ has been working at safety.

 

[Thomas Wolsey]

DJ also started at CB against Iowa State and looked fine aside from the one trick play.

He got picked on a lot early there but he was pretty good late in the game. It was also on the heels of the Miami(OH) game where they had to junk cash at halftime because he kept fucking up against what turned out to be a pretty shitty offense. I think he'll be fine though, freshman are gonna fuck up occasionally

The somewhat insider poster herk90 suggested that DJ has been working at safety.

I can get behind this.

 

[Gushawk]

Rangy free I’ve long dreamed of.

 

[hawkeyealum]

Is craddieth too dumb to play? He was a fairly good recruit

 

[Bob]

sometimes star ratings are wrong but also he's just a redshirt freshman! Iowa fans are so impatient with the rare highly rated recruits we get.

 

[Jimmie Dimmick]

HaLo angle: my son swears Riley has been in our house. I don’t remember him.

I’ll call the Reg

Did your kid almost get kicked out of school as well?

not that I recall

 

[Dr. Zaius]

We need to find somebody better than Koerner. He appears to have a very low ceiling in skillset and athletic ability. Hopefully he isn't locked into that position

 

[CraigTNelson]

Koerner is going to be fine

 

[douglasbader]

I think you can get used to 2 more years of Lil' Jack Koerner. He is the modern Brett Greenwood. He likely will get better and make some plays as he goes on, but Phil seems to love him.

 

[AZmessDAWG]

I look forward to two more years of bitching about it too until he graduates, has had a good career, and you repeat how Parker really must know what he’s doing.

 

[KitKatApples]

You’re like an Iowa version of Bovert

 

[douglasbader]

Who are the likely departures going to be? I think there will be quite a few potentially.

RB - Toren Young most likely, maybe Byrd as well
QB - Peyton Mansell
WR - Henry Marchese, maybe Calvin Lockett
TE - none
OL - nobody significant
DL - nobody significant
LB - there are a lot of guys here and spring will likely tell a lot. Maybe a guy like Jeudy if he doesn't look like he has any hope of playing, but 4-2-5 isn't going away
DB - same thing here, would expect a couple guys to transfer
K - the kickoff guy is transfering
P - if they get a grad transfer, maybe Gersonde leaves

 

[Bob]

Byrd just because of where he's from or what? They seemed fairly high on him and he's still young. Sargent has to at least be thinking about it. He lost his starting job to a younger player and could probably start at plenty of G5 schools.

Mansell for sure and agreed that they have way too many guys at DB and LB not to lose at least a few.

Marchese is a legacy isn't he? I wouldn't be surprised if he just stuck it out even if he won't play. Cooper or Lockett wouldn't surprise me though.

 

[HerkyHopeful]

Barrington Wade has got to be gone. He'll be a senior, coaches like him and seems to have progressed well but is in a position where he's still behind Colbert and Niemann

 

[douglasbader]

Byrd just because of where he's from or what? They seemed fairly high on him and he's still young. Sargent has to at least be thinking about it. He lost his starting job to a younger player and could probably start at plenty of G5 schools.

Mansell for sure and agreed that they have way too many guys at DB and LB not to lose at least a few.

Marchese is a legacy isn't he? I wouldn't be surprised if he just stuck it out even if he won't play. Cooper or Lockett wouldn't surprise me though.

Yeah, was basing it on where he lives and depends on who comes back. Young/Sargent could both leave but was thinking one comes back. IKM comes back with 2 full years of eligibility. Goodson seems to have the next 3 years locked as the starter unless he gets hurt.

Don't tease me on Max Pooper.

 

[Dr. Zaius]

I'm wondering if we'll see some more Oliver Martin next year. He seems to have been forgotten or was injured at some point?

 

[douglasbader]

The WR depth, for Iowa, is just nuts. Smith, ISM, Tracy, Rigani, Martin, Pooper, Lockett, Huston, Jones, Vines and Matthews.

 

[thrawn]

Hate to go with the “move the biggest/slowest RB to fullback” route but with Ross gone and no obvious replacement I wonder if there is any chance Young could play that role.

Ross kind of sucked anyway and with the WR talent it makes sense to play 3 more as it is.

 

[douglasbader]

I'm wondering if we'll see some more Oliver Martin next year. He seems to have been forgotten or was injured at some point?

There has never really been a solid answer, but it seems like he was of course coming into camp behind and then was banged up for most of the year.

He is really talented so hope with a full spring/summer/fall camp that he can play. Ragani was great to start the year but he dropped an awful lot of passes later on, so think there will be some opportunities. Would rather have him returning punts than Cooper.

 

[AZmessDAWG]

Hate to go with the “move the biggest/slowest RB to fullback” route but with Ross gone and no obvious replacement I wonder if there is any chance Young could play that role.

No

 

[Bob Sanders]

Byrd just because of where he's from or what? They seemed fairly high on him and he's still young. Sargent has to at least be thinking about it. He lost his starting job to a younger player and could probably start at plenty of G5 schools.

Mansell for sure and agreed that they have way too many guys at DB and LB not to lose at least a few.

Marchese is a legacy isn't he? I wouldn't be surprised if he just stuck it out even if he won't play. Cooper or Lockett wouldn't surprise me though.

Yeah, was basing it on where he lives and depends on who comes back. Young/Sargent could both leave but was thinking one comes back. IKM comes back with 2 full years of eligibility. Goodson seems to have the next 3 years locked as the starter unless he gets hurt.

Don't tease me on Max Pooper.

I think they have shown that they aren't tied to experience over talent at RB. I wouldn't be surprised if the depth chart next year was Goodson, Young/Byrd with Sargent grad transferring and IKM doing who knows what. I think that would be a decent group and Toren seems like a guy who sticks around for 5 carries a game.

I'm wondering if we'll see some more Oliver Martin next year. He seems to have been forgotten or was injured at some point?

I don't know if he was injured during the season, but he missed the bowl due to injury.

 

[douglasbader]

Hate to go with the “move the biggest/slowest RB to fullback” route but with Ross gone and no obvious replacement I wonder if there is any chance Young could play that role.

Every single FB on the roster is pretty much 6' and 240lbs or so. Young is 5'11'' and 223 pounds, so he would be the ideal candidate. Not sure if he wants to have that thankless role of smashing into guys over in over with few touches, but he would be an upgrade overall. Sargent is likely too small at 5'9'' 212 pounds.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Marchese may end up playing baseball.

 

[Talkin' Goat]

Hate to go with the “move the biggest/slowest RB to fullback” route but with Ross gone and no obvious replacement I wonder if there is any chance Young could play that role.

Every single FB on the roster is pretty much 6' and 240lbs or so. Young is 5'11'' and 223 pounds, so he would be the ideal candidate. Not sure if he wants to have that thankless role of smashing into guys over in over with few touches, but he would be an upgrade overall. Sargent is likely too small at 5'9'' 212 pounds.

Sargent at FB would bring the lolz.

 

[The Incredible Hawk]

Nobody is leaving.

 

[Bob]

Given how they use fullbacks anymore it seems like kind of a waste. Is he going to be a better blocker than whatever slow walk on LB they move there? Because that's the only thing that really matters for a fullback.

They're going to have good tight end depth going forward, I wouldn't be too surprised if FB is steadily phased out and they just use on of the TEs in more or an HBack role when they want a lead blocker

 

[Bob Sanders]

Nobody is leaving.

There are currently 92 scholarship players for next fall. At least 7 people are leaving.

 

[The Incredible Hawk]

Nobody is leaving.

There are currently 92 scholarship players for next fall. At least 7 people are leaving.

At least 7 people are leaving.

 

[Talkin' Goat]

Nobody is leaving.

@Nobody what the fuck?

 

[jquintana]

Nobody is leaving.

That's disappointing. @Nobody is my favorite poster.

 

[douglasbader]

Nobody is leaving.

There are currently 92 scholarship players for next fall. At least 7 people are leaving.

At least 7 people are leaving.

Bob Sanders points out there are currently 92/85. This includes Epenesa/Wrifs/Stone who seem likely to leave. It also includes 2 freshman who haven't signed, one that broke his neck diving into a pool and may never recover and another with grades.

 

[Hawk&Balls]

Nobody is leaving.

Bye @Nobody

 

[The Full Monte]

I look forward to two more years of bitching about it too until he graduates, has had a good career, and you repeat how Parker really must know what he’s doing.

Saying Koerner didn’t have a great year isn’t denying the possibility he could be a good player down the road. But he’s going to have to get much better in his recognition.

The Greenwood comp by Doug May be a good one. But Greenwood WAS a ballhawk by the time he was a senior.

 

[AZmessDAWG]

I think we all saw the room for improvement. Im talking more abt the fact that he’ll be playing ahead of someone “more athletic” that will cause angst in some of our notable posters.