**Official 2022 Iowa Football Season Thread**

[gable_guy]

They should have the game at the NW training facility.

 

[AZmessDAWG]

They should have the game at the NW training facility.

That place looks SICK!

 

[AZmessDAWG]

They should have the game at the NW training facility.

It actually does look cool and Dyche is a shit hole.

 

[The Full Monte]

 

[Pipiyopee]

Kirk heard change and good in the same sentence, and his eyes went crossed.

 

[gable_guy]

When Dolph retires - we should look at Josh Lewin. He’s really good on UCLA radio

 

[Kamala]

When Dolph retires - we should at Josh Lewin. He’s really good on UCLA radio

I’m sure he’d be excited to make the move

 

[gable_guy]

I’m sure he’d be excited to make the move

No way LA has establishments like wherever they host the coaches call in show now

 

[Westside Ray Ray]

 

[Westside Ray Ray]

 

[Westside Ray Ray]

 

[Dr. Zaius]

The offense has only been “successful” for like 3 of those years

 

[Westside Ray Ray]

The offense has only been “successful” for like 3 of those years

Exactly.

Kirk is NOT an OL guru. He has lived off 2002 for 20 fucking years.

There have been individual stars and about 3 or 4 years of good line play. Otherwise it’s been mediocre. We haven’t been able to run the ball better than middle of the conference for most of his tenure. The offense has been shit for most of his tenure (worse under BF).

He’s made innumerable personnel errors across the board and has failed to adapt to the changes in the sport.

Credit where credit is due - he hired Doyle (and obviously gave him carte blanche with total control which backfired 2-3 times leading to national embarrassment), Norm and Phil. He gets credit for that, but his meddling in the offense has cost us about 30 losses over the last 24 years - far more than the upset wins he got. It’s been an overly positive run, but you have to move on and that should be getting pretty damn obvious by now if you have an AD with any vision or common sense.

Then again, our AD has allowed KF to amass a $42 million buyout that doesn’t expire until 2030. Where the fuck was he going to go to earn that as a buyout?

 

[Herky823]

Exactly.

Kirk is NOT an OL guru. He has lived off 2002 for 20 fucking years.

There have been individual stars and about 3 or 4 years of good line play. Otherwise it’s been mediocre. We haven’t been able to run the ball better than middle of the conference for most of his tenure. The offense has been shit for most of his tenure (worse under BF).

He’s made innumerable personnel errors across the board and has failed to adapt to the changes in the sport.

Credit where credit is due - he hired Doyle (and obviously gave him carte blanche with total control which backfired 2-3 times leading to national embarrassment), Norm and Phil. He gets credit for that, but his meddling in the offense has cost us about 30 losses over the last 24 years - far more than the upset wins he got. It’s been an overly positive run, but you have to move on and that should be getting pretty damn obvious by now if you have an AD with any vision or common sense.

Then again, our AD has allowed KF to amass a $42 million buyout that doesn’t expire until 2030. Where the fuck was he going to go to earn that as a buyout?

Kirk is being dumb. He seems especially blinded and stubborn where his son is concerned.

but you’re going overboard here. Let’s not get too stupid. The ferentzs are doing that enough for all of us

 

[CleteyColgate]

Kirk is being dumb. He seems especially blinded and stubborn where his son is concerned.

but you’re going overboard here. Let’s not get too stupid. The ferentzs are doing that enough for all of us

Gary needs to intervene and remove Brian

 

[Westside Ray Ray]

Kirk is being dumb. He seems especially blinded and stubborn where his son is concerned.

but you’re going overboard here. Let’s not get too stupid. The ferentzs are doing that enough for all of us

Which metric or statement, specifically, is wrong?

 

[Alan Lomax]

Kirk isn’t an Oline guru because we think it, he’s an oline guru because the profession recognizes it and consults him.

 

[BngHawk]

Herky runs the Hawkeye chronicles account

 

[jabberjaw]

I have no idea how assistant coach contracts work, but I’ve never heard any talk of an assistant coach “buyout.” Fire Kirk’s son, Kirk’s son, Brian Ferentz, and cross your fingers that Brian’s dad, Kirk Ferentz, gets pissed enough to quit.

 

[Westside Ray Ray]

Kirk isn’t an Oline guru because we think it, he’s an oline guru because the profession recognizes it and consults him.

Ah, ok if I’m wrong I’m wrong. Delete that first comment, maybe I got out over my skis.

Now tell me what’s wrong.

-individual stars
-several good OLs
-many middle of the BIG OLs
-4 or 5 years in the top 6 in BIG running the ball

 

[Alan Lomax]

Snaggle tooth Barta doesn’t have the balls to fire Kirk and reach out to Mark Stoops or Bert Belima to fix what’s clearly broken in Iowa City.

 

[JD720]

I have no idea how assistant coach contracts work, but I’ve never heard any talk of an assistant coach “buyout.” Fire Kirk’s son, Kirk’s son, Kirk’s son, Brian Ferentz, and cross your fingers that Brian’s dad, Kirk Ferentz, gets pissed enough to quit.

I think they usually get 1-2 years at a time. Even if there is a buyout, it wouldn't be big enough to be an issue.

 

[Alan Lomax]

Ah, ok if I’m wrong I’m wrong. Delete that first comment, maybe I got out over my skis.

Now tell me what’s wrong.

-individual stars
-several good OLs
-many middle of the BIG OLs
-4 or 5 years in the top 6 in BIG running the ball

I think you’re underestimating the general talent of players that are coming to Iowa. Even for offensive linemen I think Iowa City is a tough sell. The two best backs Iowa has had this decade, both with 1,000 yard seasons at Iowa, both with nfl hopes and dreams, and neither play in the NFL. That’s the BEST iowa has had running the ball. The offensive line has made a number of bad backs look good over Kirk’s career.

 

[Westside Ray Ray]

I think you’re underestimating the general talent of players that are coming to Iowa. Even for offensive linemen I think Iowa City is a tough sell. The two best backs Iowa has had this decade, both with 1,000 yard seasons at Iowa, both with nfl hopes and dreams, and neither play in the NFL. That’s the BEST iowa has had running the ball. The offensive line has made a number of bad backs look good over Kirk’s career.

Fair enough, however my counterpoint would be

1) look at the schemes across the country that have FAR less talent, yet producing far more

2) isn’t that the responsibility of the coach to address, adapt, adjust?

 

[Herky823]

Which metric or statement, specifically, is wrong?

Not an online guru
3-4 years of good ol play
Insinuating that basically what he has done well is hire Phil, norm and Doyle and let them make him look good
Even the buyout - he’s the dean od college football. I believe he got it after our winningest 5 years in program history and at a time when we were getting severely negatively recruited based on retirement speculations. He’s like the 4th or 5th highest paid coach in the big ten is all. I think at that time you either give him a big raise or extend him and they chose the latter. People would have bitched about either.

I think the OL has been disappointing since they changed rules and kirk hasn’t changed his strategy. I think it’s time he needs to go, or at a minimum hire an OC and give him full control and hopefully retire on top. I have no hope that it will actually happen

 

[Alan Lomax]

Fair enough, however my counterpoint would be

1) look at the schemes across the country that have FAR less talent, yet producing far more

2) isn’t that the responsibility of the coach to address, adapt, adjust?

It hurts me to watch Iowa’s offense knowing they could absolutely choose differently and get better results.

 

[rodg12]

Kirk heard change and good in the same sentence, and his eyes went crossed.

The stupid thing is that we adapt and evolve on defense. Phil has added the Cash and played mainly nickel. Blitzes creatively and more often than previously. Our special teams has also evolved a ton. Just nothing on offense.

 

[Westside Ray Ray]

Not an online guru
3-4 years of good ol play
Insinuating that basically what he has done well is hire Phil, norm and Doyle and let them make him look good
Even the buyout - he’s the dean od college football. I believe he got it after our winningest 5 years in program history and at a time when we were getting severely negatively recruited based on retirement speculations. He’s like the 4th or 5th highest paid coach in the big ten is all. I think at that time you either give him a big raise or extend him and they chose the latter. People would have bitched about either.

I think the OL has been disappointing since they changed rules and kirk hasn’t changed his strategy. I think it’s time he needs to go, or at a minimum hire an OC and give him full control and hopefully retire on top. I have no hope that it will actually happen

I must respectfully agree to disagree, willing that you agree with my disagreement.

 

[Talkin' Goat]

The stupid thing is that we adapt and evolve on defense. Phil has added the Cash and played mainly nickel. Blitzes creatively and more often than previously. Our special teams has also evolved a ton. Just nothing on offense.

Brian added the Wildcat. Approximately five years after the rest of CFB stopped using it.

 

[Herky823]

I must respectfully agree to disagree, willing that you agree with my disagreement.

You must be new here.

 

[Dr. Zaius]

It’s unreasonable to expect little ol Iowa to have a top 25 offense more often than not. I get that. We’re a developmental program and not ever going to get a steady influx of cream of the crop skill players ready to plug and play.

It is very disappointing that we can’t be consistently in the 50-60th percentile for offense especially considering Kirk has put up some overall successful strings of 8+ win seasons. This program is only going to get harder to recruit to. Could be some dark ages ahead without substantial changes made.

 

[nolookpass]

Barta may be the most incompetent AD in this history of the world. He shoulda been canned after the lesbian coach debacle. Managers at Taco Johns know enough to document disciplinary action on subordinates.

 

[Mr. Hawk]

It’s unreasonable to expect little ol Iowa to have a top 25 offense more often than not. I get that. We’re a developmental program and not ever going to get a steady influx of cream of the crop skill players ready to plug and play.

It is very disappointing that we can’t be consistently in the 50-60th percentile for offense especially considering Kirk has put up some overall successful strings of 8+ win seasons. This program is only going to get harder to recruit to. Could be some dark ages ahead without substantial changes made.

I disagree. This is an upper echelon Big Ten program with huge money and enormous fan support. You have arguably one of the best game day atmospheres in America. We’re in the Top 5(?) in sending players to the NFL.

Iowa can do this. It’s a choice not to.

 

[Hawk24]

Prediction: the OL coach will "move on" after the season which will allow Brian to claim that the scheme works and we should see an improvement with different/better OL play. Then we'll continue to see that same shit for a few more years.

 

[MisterFalcon]

I'm kind of giddy Kirk and Kirk’s son, Brian Ferentz will have to watch Charlie Jones do his thing when they watch film to prepare for Purdue. Exactly what they deserve.

 

[Westside Ray Ray]

I feel personally attacked:

 

[HawkBall23]

I honestly actually kinda feel horrible for saying it - considering the overall record in the last 24 years - but the longer KF is Iowa's HC, the [offensive unit] downward spiral will continue.

What it will take to change the offense's fortunes around is something he won't ever do, let alone consider. And that being removing his son as OC and bringing in someone who runs an offense that isn't decades out of date, and KF himself letting said new OC do his thing with very little interference.


"A good defense is the best offense" is not an effectively sustainable winning strategy in today's college landscape, Kirk!!

 

[Alan Lomax]

I honestly actually kinda feel horrible for saying it - considering the overall record in the last 24 years - but the longer KF is Iowa's HC, the [offensive unit] downward spiral will continue.

What it will take to change the offense's fortunes around is something he won't ever do, let alone consider. And that being removing his son as OC and bringing in someone who runs an offense that isn't decades out of date, and KF himself letting said new OC do his thing with very little interference.


"A good defense is the best offense" is not an effectively sustainable winning strategy in today's college landscape, Kirk!!

I actually disagree with most of this. Iowa ABSOLUTELY can play and win running an old style, balanced, under center, slow, grinding, offense. They can’t do so with a bad offensive coordinator and a terrible quarterback. That’s impossible, but the rock fight style will win you A LOT of games, most teams are fucking terrible at rock fights, forcing them into one is a good thing for wins.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Exactly.

Kirk is NOT an OL guru. He has lived off 2002 for 20 fucking years.

There have been individual stars and about 3 or 4 years of good line play. Otherwise it’s been mediocre. We haven’t been able to run the ball better than middle of the conference for most of his tenure. The offense has been shit for most of his tenure (worse under BF).

He’s made innumerable personnel errors across the board and has failed to adapt to the changes in the sport.

Credit where credit is due - he hired Doyle (and obviously gave him carte blanche with total control which backfired 2-3 times leading to national embarrassment), Norm and Phil. He gets credit for that, but his meddling in the offense has cost us about 30 losses over the last 24 years - far more than the upset wins he got. It’s been an overly positive run, but you have to move on and that should be getting pretty damn obvious by now if you have an AD with any vision or common sense.

Then again, our AD has allowed KF to amass a $42 million buyout that doesn’t expire until 2030. Where the fuck was he going to go to earn that as a buyout?

the buyout is irrelevant. We are never paying it.

 

[The Full Monte]

Kirk isn’t an Oline guru because we think it, he’s an oline guru because the profession recognizes it and consults him.

Well then he should quit being a bitch and fix one of the worst OLine’ sin the country.

fuck or walk

 

[nolookpass]

lol you dudes writing letters to the AD. Unless you are sending czechs with a lot of zeros on them, they don't care what you think.

 

[The Full Monte]

Brian added the Wildcat. Approximately five years after the rest of CFB stopped using it.

I would be fucking shocked if Iowa has averaged better than 1.5 yards with it since then too

 

[Westside Ray Ray]

lol you dudes writing letters to the AD. Unless you are sending czechs with a lot of zeros on them, they don't care what you think.

We had our chance back during the Prairie Ridge (?) days to end this cancer prior to metastasis. Should have listened to you 20 years ago.

 

[Pedro]

I'm kind of giddy Kirk and Kirk’s son, Kirk’s son, Brian Ferentz will have to watch Charlie Jones do his thing when they watch film to prepare for Purdue. Exactly what they deserve.

Imagine being Phil Parker and having to focus your defensive gameplan around stopping Charlie Jones. The same Charlie Jones that was on your team less than a year ago, but for some reason other coaches decided they didn't care to use him.

Now, you have to figure out how to stop him. One of the best WRs in the country.

 

[eclone]

We had our chance back during the Prairie Ridge (?) days to end this cancer prior to metastasis. Should have listened to you 20 years ago.

*Pheasant Ridge

 

[Squat Cobbler]

I honestly actually kinda feel horrible for saying it - considering the overall record in the last 24 years - but the longer KF is Iowa's HC, the [offensive unit] downward spiral will continue.

What it will take to change the offense's fortunes around is something he won't ever do, let alone consider. And that being removing his son as OC and bringing in someone who runs an offense that isn't decades out of date, and KF himself letting said new OC do his thing with very little interference.


"A good defense is the best offense" is not an effectively sustainable winning strategy in today's college landscape, Kirk!!

what do you think we’re spiraling to? I think we’re there.

 

[BillyBob]

Phil Parker, Chris Klieman, Mark Stoops are all great options.

Instead, pathetic cuck Gary Garta will stand by for a few years as Kurt holds the Iowa program hostage and burns it to the ground.

 

[Talkin' Goat]

It’s all fun and games (it’s not) until we have defensive studs transferring because they want to be on a team that has an actual fucking offense. If that happens, Kirk’s son, Brian Ferentz is going to need to move back to New England.

 

[douglasbader]

We had our chance back during the Prairie Ridge (?) days to end this cancer prior to metastasis. Should have listened to you 20 years ago.

With all due respect, you have now lost your fucking mind. Ridiculous.

You think Ferentz should have been out after 2005 and now is a cancer?

Dude, you're worse than Shawnee at this point and you should know better than this.

 

[Talkin' Goat]

Which body part would you give for Bert’s offense paired with Phil’s defense for the next 10 years? Pinky toe, appendix and gall bladder are all solid choices off the top of my head.