TJones3312
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really nice toilets in the library basement, I would arrange my use around being thereThey're just giving him a better parking spot and the whole campus is his toilet starting immediately.
Is this happening? I don’t have the twitter or Facebook so I’m truly asking?I am truly shocked that we have come this far over the past year and now we have people trying to cancel the tournament for other reasons.
People just crave attention with little regard for consequencesIs this happening? I don’t have the twitter or Facebook so I’m truly asking?
Yikes. That’s a terrible idea. Can you imagine if Rutgers/Clemson didn’t get played? That’s not going to change anything.People just crave attention with little regard for consequences
They don’t want to be paid, per se. They want to have rights to monetize on youtube, instagram and twitch.No, they shouldn’t get paid for playing sports in college. Allow them to play in the pros as early as they desire, but don’t pay them while in school.
Which I think is an entirely fair compromise. The alternative is to pay them, after which about half the programs are no longer financially viable.They don’t want to be paid, per se. They want to have rights to monetize on youtube, instagram and twitch.
Yes, but they are under the University umbrella. University employees and students, for that matter, don’t get to monetize outside exploits in relation to their work for the University. It’s a slippery slopeThey don’t want to be paid, per se. They want to have rights to monetize on youtube, instagram and twitch.
do people realize what “the NCAA needs the revenue” means? this isn’t $ that disappears into some leviathan, the tournament being canceled last year just killed tennis at St. Francis and Coastal Carolina track.People just crave attention with little regard for consequences
To me this is the right answer. Even Iowa and Michigan State had to can sports. The same people wanting athletes to be treated fair went after Iowa for cutting swimming and diving. It’s the outrage culture we live in.do people realize what “the NCAA needs the revenue” means? this isn’t $ that disappears into some leviathan, the tournament being canceled last year just killed tennis at St. Francis and Coastal Carolina track.
the non-revenue sports are whiter and richer than basketball and football so there’s that, but I wish people at least understood what the ncaa is and does.
and I favor athletes being able to monetize their likeness, even though I don’t think most would make much off it
Can music students not perform at concerts in the summer?Yes, but they are under the University umbrella. University employees and students, for that matter, don’t get to monetize outside exploits in relation to their work for the University. It’s a slippery slope
Because they should get to own themselves. It’s not a difficult concept, and if making it true destroys college sports as we know it, they should be destroyed as we know them.This is a can of worms that remains better unopened. The unintended list of consequences will be long.
I don't think folks here are looking bigger picture. Everyone here is thinking podunk Iowa athletes advertising for a car dealership.
What about Oregon and Phil Knight? Are they going to regulate how companies like Nike can offer advertising deals to colleges/students?
I know it's hyperbolic but the implications from these decisions could very well lead to death of college athletics as we know. We were likely already headed in that direction, this will hasten it, imo.
College athletes are "paid" with a free education (free everything pretty much) . I don't know why that can't be enough.
Of course it's the end of "as we know it." It's a fundamental change.This is a can of worms that remains better unopened. The unintended list of consequences will be long.
I don't think folks here are looking bigger picture. Everyone here is thinking podunk Iowa athletes advertising for a car dealership.
What about Oregon and Phil Knight? Are they going to regulate how companies like Nike can offer advertising deals to colleges/students?
I know it's hyperbolic but the implications from these decisions could very well lead to death of college athletics as we know. We were likely already headed in that direction, this will hasten it, imo.
College athletes are "paid" with a free education (free everything pretty much) . I don't know why that can't be enough.
I guess I like college sports and don't want them ruined.Because they should get to own themselves. It’s not a difficult concept, and if making it true destroys college sports as we know it, they should be destroyed as we know them.
I like them too, but that college athletes don’t have control of their own likeness is fucking ridiculous. It’s made especially ridiculous with the dawning of NFTs, which young enterprising people are especially positioned to benefit from.I guess I like college sports and don't want them ruined.
Nobody is pretending that large boosters won’t pay players to go to their school. We’re saying this is basically happening now at a disadvantage to schools that play be the rules. We are also saying it’s not sustainable to continue to deny your athletes their name, image and likeness.This is a can of worms that remains better unopened. The unintended list of consequences will be long.
I don't think folks here are looking bigger picture. Everyone here is thinking podunk Iowa athletes advertising for a car dealership.
What about Oregon and Phil Knight? Are they going to regulate how companies like Nike can offer advertising deals to colleges/students?
I know it's hyperbolic but the implications from these decisions could very well lead to death of college athletics as we know. We were likely already headed in that direction, this will hasten it, imo.
College athletes are "paid" with a free education (free everything pretty much) . I don't know why that can't be enough.
We've been over this a thousand times with every angle being covered. All the arguments have been made and angles have been taken.This is a can of worms that remains better unopened. The unintended list of consequences will be long.
I don't think folks here are looking bigger picture. Everyone here is thinking podunk Iowa athletes advertising for a car dealership.
What about Oregon and Phil Knight? Are they going to regulate how companies like Nike can offer advertising deals to colleges/students?
I know it's hyperbolic but the implications from these decisions could very well lead to death of college athletics as we know. We were likely already headed in that direction, this will hasten it, imo.
College athletes are "paid" with a free education (free everything pretty much) . I don't know why that can't be enough.
I don't think it is. In pretty much any scenario you aren't just free to go shop your likeness however you choose. My employer won't allow me to do a lot of things and still keep my job. School at any level won't let you just do anything you want. There are limits on anything that you are going to be a part of a collective and consequences for not following the system.I like them too, but that college athletes don’t have control of their own likeness is fucking ridiculous. It’s made especially ridiculous with the dawning of NFTs, which young enterprising people are especially positioned to benefit from.
I think it's incredibly naive and shortsighted to think that nothing will really change because "it's already happening". There's constraints and "penalties" in place to have as even of a playing field as possible.Nobody is pretending that large boosters won’t pay players to go to their school. We’re saying this is basically happening now at a disadvantage to schools that play be the rules. We are also saying it’s not sustainable to continue to deny your athletes their name, image and likeness.
I think the idea that this fundamentally changes where the top athletes are going to school is unfounded. As I said before, I could be way wrong. But what benefit to Nike is steering kids to Oregon? What Oregon athlete has ever made Nike money? Nike is better served continuing to fund grassroots and college teams to sell merchandise.
The thing I like about college sports is watching the Iowa Hawkeyes. I pay more attention when they are good. That doesn’t change because J Bo makes money on his podcast or twitch stream. Or Tyler Goodson does commercials for Big Grove. Or Catlin Clark runs a basketball camp in central Iowa all summer.
Good post, maybe they'll be able to make it work but I doubt it. Give them an inch and they'll want a mile.We've been over this a thousand times with every angle being covered. All the arguments have been made and angles have been taken.
I think it has boiled itself down to a single viable scenario, and even that scenario is just a delay. My guess is they will have something that looks like this....
- Full scholarship
- Cut of licensing goes equally to every athlete
- Athletes can make money off of things like youtube or similar but any of the local wink wink come and advertise for a stack of cash or have an autograph session and a booster slides you $25k won't be allowed.
They obviously can't leave it as it is, and I don't think they can open it up as a free for all. Any middle ground is never going to be enough, so they will get to this something but not enough scenario that will keep things going but not stop the bitching.
This is the part that gets dumb. You’re throwing in things I’ve never said. Where did I say a scholarship wasn’t an incentive? Where did I say they were slaves? Give me a break.I think it's incredibly naive and shortsighted to think that nothing will really change because "it's already happening". There's constraints and "penalties" in place to have as even of a playing field as possible.
If a free education isn't enough of an incentive to sacrifice your likeness for 4 years then go a different route. Scholarship players are being compensated, they're not slaves.
We have middle-aged educated adults with families and responsibility that can barely figure out how to properly manage their time and finances and constantly fuck up their taxes.Good post, maybe they'll be able to make it work but I doubt it. Give them an inch and they'll want a mile.
I didn't say you said those things, didn't even imply it. I said them, that was my opinion. But go ahead and be super sensitive.This is the part that gets dumb. You’re throwing in things I’ve never said. Where did I say a scholarship wasn’t an incentive? Where did I say they were slaves? Give me a break.
You can say I’m naive, I’m cool with that. I think you’re being purposely ignorant on how corporations work. Business aren’t going to blow through their ad budgets to pay kids to play college sports. If a boosters wants to pay kids,he’s going to do it anyway. Like Doug said, there will probably be safeguards and restrictions built in to this and it won’t be a free for all.
But you’ve yet to tell me why the athletes shouldn’t be able to monetize a podcast, a twitch stream or start a business if the market is there for it. You’ve yet to explain the harm in running a camp for kids. These are common sense solutions that allow the money to keep following to the universities and every other entity that profits of college sports without having to deal with Title IX situations and giving the athletes a chance to understand their actual value (most will have little to none).
It you want to discuss specifics and details I’m cool with that. If you want to throw out straw man arguments I’ll just politely bow out of this thread.
I agree with this, and didn’t mean to imply differently. I think the current limits are ridiculous.I don't think it is. In pretty much any scenario you aren't just free to go shop your likeness however you choose. My employer won't allow me to do a lot of things and still keep my job. School at any level won't let you just do anything you want. There are limits on anything that you are going to be a part of a collective and consequences for not following the system.
The system can be improved, but the thought that you just do whatever you want without any guidelines is silly.
Not being sensitive all. You quoted my post which made me think you were attributing the slaves and scholarship comments to my post. My bad if that’s not what was intendedI didn't say you said those things, didn't even imply it. I said them, that was my opinion. But go ahead and be super sensitive.
Not being sensitive all. You quoted my post which made me think you were attributing the slaves and scholarship comments to my post. My bad if that’s not what was intended
Are 18-22 year olds making money off Instagram, YouTube or twitch having a tough time with IRS audit or not paying their taxes?We have middle-aged educated adults with families and responsibility that can barely figure out how to properly manage their time and finances and constantly fuck up their taxes.
Now imagine you have uneducated 18-22 year olds that have a full class load and athletic responsibilities trying to prioritize their time devoted to their "brand" and name/likeness deals. Throw in how many of them won't understand how to incorporate themselves or file the proper taxes or make sure they withhold the proper amount or report cash income so they don't get a friendly visit from the IRS.
I'm sure a lot can figure it out, but most won't. The only way this even remotely works is that the NCAA can come up with something where every athlete gets an even cut that is significant enough to shut 99% of them up for at least a while until they can kick the can down the road.
Nobody tells music students that they can't play in paid gigs, tells drama students they're not allowed to get paid for bit roles while they're in school, etc.Yes, but they are under the University umbrella. University employees and students, for that matter, don’t get to monetize outside exploits in relation to their work for the University. It’s a slippery slope
I also think it would be a huge wakeup call to the "I'M BEING EXPLOITED" crowd. The vast majority of them would maybe be able to scrounge up a couple thousand in side income, but they're not being oppressed from raking in hundreds of thousands like some of them seem to think they are.Are 18-22 year olds making money off Instagram, YouTube or twitch having a tough time with IRS audit or not paying their taxes?
I’m not trying to come off as some woke bro who thinks these athletes are totally exploited. I think J Bo has been really annoying with his social media usage this year and you couldn’t pay me to listen to his podcast. I’m tired of Bilas talking about this shit all the time but also tired of Dakich and Goetlib going the other direction. This isn’t going away and the NCAA needs to come up with plan to address it. Doug, your plan in the previous post was pretty reasonable. Doing something like that would get rid of the bitching and allow for the games to just be about the fucking games again.
I don't know if they are. What I do know is that any 18-22 year olds making money off Instagram, YouTube or twitch don't have a full class load. They don't have a full athletic commitment to keep up with.Are 18-22 year olds making money off Instagram, YouTube or twitch having a tough time with IRS audit or not paying their taxes?
I’m not trying to come off as some woke bro who thinks these athletes are totally exploited. I think J Bo has been really annoying with his social media usage this year and you couldn’t pay me to listen to his podcast. I’m tired of Bilas talking about this shit all the time but also tired of Dakich and Goetlib going the other direction. This isn’t going away and the NCAA needs to come up with plan to address it. Doug, your plan in the previous post was pretty reasonable. Doing something like that would get rid of the bitching and allow for the games to just be about the fucking games again.
I don't think it will wake them up at all. They will just move the goalposts again and blame someone or something else if it doesn't work out.I also think it would be a huge wakeup call to the "I'M BEING EXPLOITED" crowd. The vast majority of them would maybe be able to scrounge up a couple thousand in side income, but they're not being oppressed from raking in hundreds of thousands like some of them seem to think they are.
Fair opinion. I would imagine coaches aren’t going to like potential Myers Leonard situations during the season as well.I don't know if they are. What I do know is that any 18-22 year olds making money off Instagram, YouTube or twitch don't have a full class load. They don't have a full athletic commitment to keep up with.
Those people wake up and play video games or make some stupid tik tok challenge videos or whatever dumb shit makes them money and they largely do it whenever and however they want. They can play COD or Fortnite until 4am and then sleep until noon.
I hate to sound like an old man, but imagine where priorities are going to lie when you are having a mediocre season and coach is mad at you and life is hard but you can jump on a twitch stream and get your ass licked by everyone and get some $$ as well. It won't take long for more than a few guys to make the choice to abandon the thing that is making them feel bad and choose the sugar high.
that’s incredibly stupid. But evidently you don’t like black kids getting an education.Because they should get to own themselves. It’s not a difficult concept, and if making it true destroys college sports as we know it, they should be destroyed as we know them.
notice how the 5* recruits aren’t the ones complaining?I think it's incredibly naive and shortsighted to think that nothing will really change because "it's already happening". There's constraints and "penalties" in place to have as even of a playing field as possible.
If a free education isn't enough of an incentive to sacrifice your likeness for 4 years then go a different route. Scholarship players are being compensated, they're not slaves.
No one is forcing them to go to college and play college basketball. If they want control of their own likeness, go elsewhere.I like them too, but that college athletes don’t have control of their own likeness is fucking ridiculous. It’s made especially ridiculous with the dawning of NFTs, which young enterprising people are especially positioned to benefit from.
I think you overestimate their ability for self reflection. It won't be a wake up call, it'll be a call to arms, I can see bohannon asking why can't he use the tigerhawk, the athletes are the reason it has value in the first place.I also think it would be a huge wakeup call to the "I'M BEING EXPLOITED" crowd. The vast majority of them would maybe be able to scrounge up a couple thousand in side income, but they're not being oppressed from raking in hundreds of thousands like some of them seem to think they are.