**Wisconsin vs. Iowa - 11/30/18 - 7:00 pm - BTN**

[Herky823]

Fritz is probably a big James Harden fan. Loves his ability to draw fouls. An art form.

 

[Fritz Fequiere]

And no fucking shit, that's the biggest problem with that "play".

Wait, I thought the problem according to your post was that he celebrated. Who wouldn't celebrate that?

A non-faggot

lol.....yeah, what a fag for celebrating winning the game. Look, I'm sure Mikey is very important to you -and I'm sure its for good reason- but the physicality of basketball is off-putting for a pencil neck guy like himself, so he got prematurely wound up about what he thought was an incidental play in the game.

 

[Herky823]

The worst of CBB.

 

[Fritz Fequiere]

Fritz is probably a big James Harden fan. Loves his ability to draw fouls. An art form.

lol.......if only halo would have been around to read when the modern day crossover emerged. Things are different!!!! I don't like it!!!!

Oh man, that would've been golden.

 

[MikeyJoe]

Wait, I thought the problem according to your post was that he celebrated. Who wouldn't celebrate that?

A non-faggot

lol.....yeah, what a fag for celebrating winning the game. Look, I'm sure Mikey is very important to you -and I'm sure its for good reason- but the physicality of basketball is off-putting for a pencil neck guy like himself, so he got prematurely wound up about what he thought was an incidental play in the game.

Ah, I remember now from the grabbing and holding defense thread. You actually have the bizarre backwards opinion that this sort of thing is somehow evidence of superior athleticism and toughness and it's wimps who don't like it. LOL

 

[MikeyJoe]

He effectively ended the game with that play, ya dipshit.

And no fucking shit, that's the biggest problem with that "play".

Wait, I thought the problem according to your post was that he celebrated. Who wouldn't celebrate that?

I said that he celebrated like he made a huge play. I don't consider throwing yourself backwards onto the ground "making a play".

If you want to try to pull off the well, actually shtick you can't be misreading sentences dude.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

To show support for Gary during Friday’s Gold Out the marketing department has decided to have Golden Dolphin night at Carver.

 

[Fritz Fequiere]

A non-faggot

lol.....yeah, what a fag for celebrating winning the game. Look, I'm sure Mikey is very important to you -and I'm sure its for good reason- but the physicality of basketball is off-putting for a pencil neck guy like himself, so he got prematurely wound up about what he thought was an incidental play in the game.

Ah, I remember now from the grabbing and holding defense thread. You actually have the bizarre backwards opinion that this sort of thing is somehow evidence of superior athleticism and toughness and it's wimps who don't like it. LOL

The level of basketball with the greatest athleticism is also the most physical level. And anecdotally, every kid I ever played with at every level that complained about physicality was a kid that wasn't any good.

 

[The Dad]

To show support for Gary during Friday’s Gold Out the marketing department has decided to have Golden Dolphin night at Carver.

Niche market joke.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

To show support for Gary during Friday’s Gold Out the marketing department has decided to have Golden Dolphin night at Carver.

Niche market joke.

You were a zodiac guy?

 

[The Dad]

lol.....yeah, what a fag for celebrating winning the game. Look, I'm sure Mikey is very important to you -and I'm sure its for good reason- but the physicality of basketball is off-putting for a pencil neck guy like himself, so he got prematurely wound up about what he thought was an incidental play in the game.

Ah, I remember now from the grabbing and holding defense thread. You actually have the bizarre backwards opinion that this sort of thing is somehow evidence of superior athleticism and toughness and it's wimps who don't like it. LOL

The level of basketball with the greatest athleticism is also the most physical level. And anecdotally, every kid I ever played with at every level that complained about physicality was a kid that wasn't any good.

Fritz has never bitched about a no-call. True story.

 

[The Dad]

To show support for Gary during Friday’s Gold Out the marketing department has decided to have Golden Dolphin night at Carver.

Niche market joke.

You were a zodiac guy?

Dolls

 

[MikeyJoe]

lol.....yeah, what a fag for celebrating winning the game. Look, I'm sure Mikey is very important to you -and I'm sure its for good reason- but the physicality of basketball is off-putting for a pencil neck guy like himself, so he got prematurely wound up about what he thought was an incidental play in the game.

Ah, I remember now from the grabbing and holding defense thread. You actually have the bizarre backwards opinion that this sort of thing is somehow evidence of superior athleticism and toughness and it's wimps who don't like it. LOL

The level of basketball with the greatest athleticism is also the most physical level. And anecdotally, every kid I ever played with at every level that complained about physicality was a kid that wasn't any good.

That's 100% backwards, as was pointed out to you the last time we had this conversation. NBA players are insanely better defenders than college players, but Purdue style grabby hand check defense gets whistled immediately in the NBA. Because NBA defenders are good enough athletes to stay in front of the guy they're defending.

And I'll throw it back at you - anecdotally, every person I've ever played with who highly valued being hustly hand check grabby defense guy sucked at basketball.

 

[Thomas Wolsey]

lol.....yeah, what a fag for celebrating winning the game. Look, I'm sure Mikey is very important to you -and I'm sure its for good reason- but the physicality of basketball is off-putting for a pencil neck guy like himself, so he got prematurely wound up about what he thought was an incidental play in the game.

Ah, I remember now from the grabbing and holding defense thread. You actually have the bizarre backwards opinion that this sort of thing is somehow evidence of superior athleticism and toughness and it's wimps who don't like it. LOL

The level of basketball with the greatest athleticism is also the most physical level. And anecdotally, every kid I ever played with at every level that complained about physicality was a kid that wasn't any good.

Then why is falling backwards on contact an athletic play?

 

[Fritz Fequiere]

And no fucking shit, that's the biggest problem with that "play".

Wait, I thought the problem according to your post was that he celebrated. Who wouldn't celebrate that?

I said that he celebrated like he made a huge play. I don't consider throwing yourself backwards onto the ground "making a play".

If you want to try to pull off the well, actually shtick you can't be misreading sentences dude.

lol.....ok, buddy.

What's your definition of a "huge play" if its not one that resulted in winning the game? Can't you just admit that made a stupid comment because you didn't know the context? I know you get a lot of likes on a message board and that must mean a great deal to you, but its ok.....these internet people will still like ya.

 

[OlePeep]

Defender launches himself sideways (with his feet still moving) into a dribbling offensive player and then throws himself backwards three feet like he just got hit with a wrecking ball.

You, a basketball intellectual: Well, ACTUALLY, this is an art form that should be celebrated.

 

[Fritz Fequiere]

Ah, I remember now from the grabbing and holding defense thread. You actually have the bizarre backwards opinion that this sort of thing is somehow evidence of superior athleticism and toughness and it's wimps who don't like it. LOL

The level of basketball with the greatest athleticism is also the most physical level. And anecdotally, every kid I ever played with at every level that complained about physicality was a kid that wasn't any good.

That's 100% backwards, as was pointed out to you the last time we had this conversation. NBA players are insanely better defenders than college players, but Purdue style grabby hand check defense gets whistled immediately in the NBA. Because NBA defenders are good enough athletes to stay in front of the guy they're defending.

And I'll throw it back at you - anecdotally, every person I've ever played with who highly valued being hustly hand check grabby defense guy sucked at basketball.

Yeah, but thats because you've never played in something more than a church league. Be honest here. Any contact is a foul in those leagues.

As for the NBA, go and watch one of the playoff games (you know, when it matters and the game is played at its highest level) from last year and get back to me on which is more physical.

 

[The Dad]

Sure Jordan complained about the physical tactics the Pistons and Knicks employed against him, but only because he wasn’t very good at basketball.

 

[Fritz Fequiere]

Defender launches himself sideways (with his feet still moving) into a dribbling offensive player and then throws himself backwards three feet like he just got hit with a wrecking ball.

You, a basketball intellectual: Well, ACTUALLY, this is an art form that should be celebrated.

Great praise for a post founded on a lack of understanding of the rules.

 

[MikeyJoe]

The level of basketball with the greatest athleticism is also the most physical level. And anecdotally, every kid I ever played with at every level that complained about physicality was a kid that wasn't any good.

That's 100% backwards, as was pointed out to you the last time we had this conversation. NBA players are insanely better defenders than college players, but Purdue style grabby hand check defense gets whistled immediately in the NBA. Because NBA defenders are good enough athletes to stay in front of the guy they're defending.

And I'll throw it back at you - anecdotally, every person I've ever played with who highly valued being hustly hand check grabby defense guy sucked at basketball.

Yeah, but thats because you've never played in something more than a church league. Be honest here. Any contact is a foul in those leagues.

As for the NBA, go and watch one of the playoff games (you know, when it matters and the game is played at its highest level) from last year and get back to me on which is more physical.

You've made like eight 100% backwards statements in this thread. I played a "church league" type game last weekend. It was a bunch of overweight middle aged dudes playing the grabbiest handsiest defense you've ever seen because they couldn't move their feet. What universe do you live in?

 

[Fritz Fequiere]

Ah, I remember now from the grabbing and holding defense thread. You actually have the bizarre backwards opinion that this sort of thing is somehow evidence of superior athleticism and toughness and it's wimps who don't like it. LOL

The level of basketball with the greatest athleticism is also the most physical level. And anecdotally, every kid I ever played with at every level that complained about physicality was a kid that wasn't any good.

Then why is falling backwards on contact an athletic play?

Who is falling backwards? What are you talking about, donnie?

 

[Billy Butters]

The level of basketball with the greatest athleticism is also the most physical level. And anecdotally, every kid I ever played with at every level that complained about physicality was a kid that wasn't any good.

Then why is falling backwards on contact an athletic play?

Who is falling backwards? What are you talking about, donnie?

The faggots.

 

[OlePeep]

Defender launches himself sideways (with his feet still moving) into a dribbling offensive player and then throws himself backwards three feet like he just got hit with a wrecking ball.

You, a basketball intellectual: Well, ACTUALLY, this is an art form that should be celebrated.

Great praise for a post founded on a lack of understanding of the rules.

Basketball is a game for skilled athletes, not hustling tommy tryhards who can only compete by grabbing/holding. It's a beautiful game rendered ugly by tough guys like you.

 

[Thomas Wolsey]

The level of basketball with the greatest athleticism is also the most physical level. And anecdotally, every kid I ever played with at every level that complained about physicality was a kid that wasn't any good.

Then why is falling backwards on contact an athletic play?

Who is falling backwards? What are you talking about, donnie?

You are simultaneously celebrating a charge call and lamenting physical play not being allowed.

 

[Fritz Fequiere]

That's 100% backwards, as was pointed out to you the last time we had this conversation. NBA players are insanely better defenders than college players, but Purdue style grabby hand check defense gets whistled immediately in the NBA. Because NBA defenders are good enough athletes to stay in front of the guy they're defending.

And I'll throw it back at you - anecdotally, every person I've ever played with who highly valued being hustly hand check grabby defense guy sucked at basketball.

Yeah, but thats because you've never played in something more than a church league. Be honest here. Any contact is a foul in those leagues.

As for the NBA, go and watch one of the playoff games (you know, when it matters and the game is played at its highest level) from last year and get back to me on which is more physical.

You've made like eight 100% backwards statements in this thread. I played a "church league" type game last weekend. It was a bunch of overweight middle aged dudes playing the grabbiest handsiest defense you've ever seen because they couldn't move their feet. What universe do you live in?

The one in which the highest level of the game is also the most physical.

 

[MikeyJoe]

Defender launches himself sideways (with his feet still moving) into a dribbling offensive player and then throws himself backwards three feet like he just got hit with a wrecking ball.

You, a basketball intellectual: Well, ACTUALLY, this is an art form that should be celebrated.

The “charge” defending god knows what (the pack line?) is the worst. He clearly wasn’t set, and fell in the direction his own momentum took him with minimal contact. He had no chance of making any real play.

Point of order: the defender doesn't have to be "set." He has to establish a legal guarding position and not be moving towards the defender. He can still move sideways or even back, but he's not required to be "set," and that's been a frequently misinterpreted part of the rules seemingly forever.

By the way, since Fritz keeps referencing this post - you're right, you don't have to be completely stationary (obviously, otherwise you'd have to stand still while the other guy dribbled around you). You have to establish defensive position with your feet set. But the NCAA rule book specifically mentions that you can't be moving towards the player with the ball while contact occurs, which is what I was referring to - in the clip we're talking about, he throws himself into the path of the dribbler. He never establishes defensive position in front of him, because the NC State player is a superior athlete and too quick for him.

 

[Fritz Fequiere]

Great praise for a post founded on a lack of understanding of the rules.

Basketball is a game for skilled athletes, not hustling tommy tryhards who can only compete by grabbing/holding. It's a beautiful game rendered ugly by tough guys like you.

Grabbing? Holding? Dude, do you realize what play we're even talking about?

 

[OlePeep]

Yeah but I thought we'd moved to a broader discussion.

 

[Mo T]

Basketball is a game for skilled athletes, not hustling tommy tryhards who can only compete by grabbing/holding.

I like Tommy Tryhards. That's what Iowa athletics is built upon. With help during the football season from Tommy Soybean.

 

[Shpadoinkle]

Basketball is a game for skilled athletes, not hustling tommy tryhards who can only compete by grabbing/holding.

I like Tommy Tryhards. That's what Iowa athletics is built upon. With help during the football season from Tommy Soybean.

This is pretty apropos in the IA/WI game thread.

 

[Revolver]

The worst is the last one where he's all pumped up like he just made some huge play.

@FrodoTBaggin , opinions on a player celebrating drawing a charge?

He effectively ended the game with that play, ya dipshit. He forced a turnover with :18 left and NC State having a chance to tie. Drawing a charge is an art and should be celebrated, lest every vestige of defense goes by the wayside.

The anti-charge crowd in b-ball is kinda like the "don't run to the short side of the field!" crowd in football. Just dumb.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Agreed. I’m much more into contemporary art like this.

 

[PipeDaddy]

Wow did this thread blow up.

Call a charge, block, whatever. But anyone that falls down without the need to fall down (and without the laws of physics causing it) should be summarily executed. This shouldn’t be controversial.

 

[PipeDaddy]

And yes, that may include Cook from last night... I haven’t watched the replay yet.

 

[Jimmie Dimmick]

That Wisconsin player is a fuckin twat and a pussy. Fuck playing like that.

 

[Kamala]

Defender launches himself sideways (with his feet still moving) into a dribbling offensive player and then throws himself backwards three feet like he just got hit with a wrecking ball.

You, a basketball intellectual: Well, ACTUALLY, this is an art form that should be celebrated.

The “charge” defending god knows what (the pack line?) is the worst. He clearly wasn’t set, and fell in the direction his own momentum took him with minimal contact. He had no chance of making any real play.

Point of order: the defender doesn't have to be "set." He has to establish a legal guarding position and not be moving towards the defender. He can still move sideways or even back, but he's not required to be "set, is always committing a blocking foul if Iowa State has the ball and is always the victim of a charge if Iowa State is on defense. And that's been a frequently misinterpreted part of the rules seemingly forever.

/Hilton Magic

 

[Fritz Fequiere]

"And I'll throw it back at you - anecdotally, every person I've ever played with who highly valued being hustly hand check grabby defense guy sucked at basketball."

But that's just it, Mikey. Somehow I know without even knowing that you never played, as in competitively. So all the people you've ever "played" against suck. And based on your support, apparently this applies to the vast majority of halo......which frankly isn't terribly surprising.

And regarding the trend towards more contact since the early 80's, everything changed when players learned to slide the ball in their hand and were allowed to do so. I thought and still think the crossover adds an awesome dimension to the game, but if there wasn't a correction in how defenders were allowed to defend, the game would have become a layup drill. Perhaps that would be exciting to you?

 

[Geese]

This fritz guy is a real faggot. A butt fuck fag if you will.

 

[Geese]

 

[Jimmie Dimmick]

I hate Wisconsin so much

 

[BuffettHawk]

I hate Wisconsin so much

Get the fuck out of here!

Seriously?!?

 

[Jimmie Dimmick]

I hate Wisconsin so much

Get the fuck out of here!

Seriously?!?

It’s true

 

[FrodoTBaggin]

If I remember right, ol' Fritzy's competitive knowledge is rooted in Div. 3 Iowa conference soccer.

 

[HerkyHopeful]

Davison is the guy announcers would always talk about his shoulder dislocating last year.

Kreiner can go after that shoulder

 

[eclone]

So, does Dolph still get his 3 free tickets for the game if he’s not working?

 

[Geese]

If I remember right, ol' Fritzy's competitive knowledge is rooted in Div. 3 Iowa conference soccer.

If I remember right, ol' Fritzy is a butt fuck fag

 

[ClintWalker]

I'm thinking Dolph shows up wearing a fake mustache and rubber nose to call the game on Friday.

 

[DonJMiller]

The level of basketball with the greatest athleticism is also the most physical level. And anecdotally, every kid I ever played with at every level that complained about physicality was a kid that wasn't any good.

Then why is falling backwards on contact an athletic play?

Who is falling backwards? What are you talking about, donnie?

Leave me out of this, dumb fuck!

 

[Swingin' Dick Stanzi]

It takes zero skill, talent, athleticism, or toughness to get in an offensive player’s way, absorb the slightest amount of contact physically possible, and flail backwards as if you are Northwestern’s LT getting owned by AJ Epenesa. Offensive players are no longer allowed to initiate any contact whatsoever, and it’s pussies like @Fritz Fequiere that are enabling this bullshit to continue.

 

[Nobody]

Nobody says it better than @Nobody

Fuck Wisconsin forever and always, amen.

 

[Bob]

The worst of CBB.

this dude got praised non stop by basketball writers for doing nothing but standing in someone's way and falling down and people want to tell me white privilege isn't real smh