**2017–18 Offseason Thread**

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I am still trying to figure out the neighbors' claim.

We asked them to join our association. They said "no". So now they should have to do what we want on their expensive property?
 

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It seems like that’s about the 84th time they’ve tweeted that.
 

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I hate how they report 3 digits of precision.
I've seen people dismiss PFF as part of the whole newfangled stats movement, but it's just scouting with a super precise number attached it to it. It's dumb.
 

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I hate how they report 3 digits of precision.
I've seen people dismiss PFF as part of the whole newfangled stats movement, but it's just scouting with a super precise number attached it to it. It's dumb.
Yeah its literally just people who may or may not have any clue what they're looking at watching on TV and assigning a grade to every play isn't it?
 

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I hate how they report 3 digits of precision.
I've seen people dismiss PFF as part of the whole newfangled stats movement, but it's just scouting with a super precise number attached it to it. It's dumb.
Yeah its literally just people who may or may not have any clue what they're looking at watching on TV and assigning a grade to every play isn't it?
This is what it seems like. They know football basics, but couldn’t possibly know assignments, blocking schemes, coaching, etc. Then they have some formula so they can compare Josh Jackson to Delano Hill.
 

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I hate how they report 3 digits of precision.
I've seen people dismiss PFF as part of the whole newfangled stats movement, but it's just scouting with a super precise number attached it to it. It's dumb.
Yeah its literally just people who may or may not have any clue what they're looking at watching on TV and assigning a grade to every play isn't it?
Yes. It's still manual grading. It's precise in that it's theoretically better than just a "good game/bad game" designation but there's nothing scientific about it.

Take a look at this link:


Some dude from PFF is just watching the games and making subjective determinations on whether or not a play was bad, routine, or good. I get that it's theoretically better than giving Alex Smith a bunch of credit when Tyreek Hill takes a screen pass 80 yards, I guess.
 

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I've seen people dismiss PFF as part of the whole newfangled stats movement, but it's just scouting with a super precise number attached it to it. It's dumb.
Yeah its literally just people who may or may not have any clue what they're looking at watching on TV and assigning a grade to every play isn't it?
This is what it seems like. They know football basics, but couldn’t possibly know assignments, blocking schemes, coaching, etc. Then they have some formula so they can compare Josh Jackson to Delano Hill.
This is what coaches who don't like it complain about the most. It's one thing to watch game film and count the number of tackles an RB breaks. Or note where relative to the LOS he meets the first defender. That stuff is straight forward. But assignments and scheme aren't always straightforward. It's not always perfectly clear who screwed up on a busted play.
 

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There's also the issue that the TV view is geared entirely towards following the ball and making sure you can see how close the team is to a first down, not giving a complete view of the play. I don't think there's any way to accurately grade players without access to an All 22 view, especially for linemen or defensive backs
 

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There's also the issue that the TV view is geared entirely towards following the ball and making sure you can see how close the team is to a first down, not giving a complete view of the play. I don't think there's any way to accurately grade players without access to an All 22 view, especially for linemen or defensive backs
Plus it is dumb to pretend the rating is anywhere accurate beyond +- 5 ish points on their scale, or it is even a numerics driven eval.
 

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They graded Josh Jackson the top cornerback in the nation, so their system can at very least be trusted with cornerbacks.
 

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There's also the issue that the TV view is geared entirely towards following the ball and making sure you can see how close the team is to a first down, not giving a complete view of the play. I don't think there's any way to accurately grade players without access to an All 22 view, especially for linemen or defensive backs
They use All-22 and coaches film if they have them. I'm sure they can get that for the NFL...not sure how available college is
 

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There's also the issue that the TV view is geared entirely towards following the ball and making sure you can see how close the team is to a first down, not giving a complete view of the play. I don't think there's any way to accurately grade players without access to an All 22 view, especially for linemen or defensive backs
They use All-22 and coaches film if they have them. I'm sure they can get that for the NFL...not sure how available college is
You can get it for the NFL with a game pass subscription, I don't know of anything similar for college. Does Watch ESPN (which I generally don't watch because the stream is garbage) let you use different views for all their games or just the major ones?
 

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Considering my company does some similar stuff with college football, I can tell you that they are likely going by game broadcasts. Especially since a lot of their stuff is tweeted out shortly after games end.
 

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Siap but just saw Lucas Legrand is no longer on the roster. Did HaLo anticipate this? I know he started in Daniels’s absence so surprised to see him go
 

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Siap but just saw Lucas Legrand is no longer on the roster. Did HaLo anticipate this? I know he started in Daniels’s absence so surprised to see him go
Somebody posted that the rumor is he's headed to uni
 

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Sounds like they have some options they like at OL for next year (Jackson, Wirfs, Reynolds, Render are already known quantities). Hopefully banwart is back for Spring. Hopefully the Paulsens are healthy.


I still think LeGrand could be really good. Kind of the forgotten man...couldn't even get answers on his injuries...
There’s a rumor that LeGrand might be transferring to UNI.
 
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Foster joins the Iowa staff after serving the last two seasons as running backs coach and running game coordinator at Samford University in Birmingham, Alabama. He has coached wide receivers and running backs at Tennessee, Northwestern State University, and Valdosta State University.

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Foster joined the Samford staff from Northwestern State University in Louisiana, where he coached running backs in 2013 and wide receivers in 2014 and 2015. While at Northwestern State, Foster tutored some of the top receivers in program history.

Under Foster's tutelage, Ed Eagan set the school single-season receptions record with 73, including single-game marks of 13 catches and 238 receiving yards. Foster was instrumental in helping Bryant Mitchell make his way to the Canadian Football League's Edmonton Eskimos and guided Cody Jones to a productive junior campaign in Jones' second season as a full-time wide receiver.

Foster was an assistant coach at Tennessee in 2012, assisting the offensive coordinator and assisting as running backs coach. The Volunteers finished third in the Southeastern Conference in total offense with 5,711 yards. He held office recruiting duties for junior colleges in California, Texas, Kansas, New York, Arizona, and Illinois.

Foster's coaching career began at Valdosta State in 2011, where he assisted head coach David Dean, and offensive coordinator Robby Brown, while working with the punt and return teams. He worked with wide receivers and helped produce an All-Gulf South Conference selection; he coached Seantavius Jones, now a receiver with the Kansas City Chiefs.

Foster was a three-year starting receiver at Southwest Baptist College in Missouri, where he produced a record-shattering 2007 campaign. He ranked sixth in the conference with 44 catches in 2007. Foster played in 41 of 44 games and had 93 career receptions. As a prep, he was a 1,000-yard rusher at Goshen (Alabama) High School, where he was an All-County running back.
perhaps he'll use that SBU connection to bring back Jerminic Smith.
 
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by my count:

2014 Iowa assistants:

under-40: 3 (Brian, Wallace, Woods)
black: 1 (Woods)

2018 Iowa assistants:

under-40: 6 (Bell, Brian, Copeland, Foster, Polasek, Wallace [Woods turns 40 in March])
black: 4 (Bell, Copeland, Foster, Woods)
 
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Bell, Woods, Copeland, and Foster. Younger more relatable/appealing staff to recruits than I think any time in the Ferentz era.
 
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The 2013 hires of Jim Reid (ok), Chris White, and Bobby Kennedy. Woof. Keep in mind two of the guys we were replacing were Soup Campbell and Darrell Wilson.
 

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The 2013 hires of Jim Reid (ok), Chris White, and Bobby Kennedy. Woof. Keep in mind two of the guys we were replacing were Soup Campbell and Darrell Wilson.
Those others suck but this is underrating Reid. He was an awesome hire. He was way overqualified to be a position coach and I think having someone with DC experience on staff really helped Phil ease into the role.

Register is saying that new guy is taking over for Woods as TE coach but the press release makes that seem like less of a done deal? Given their respective experiences making him RB coach and having Brian coach TEs would make a lot of sense I think.
 
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Yeah I know Reid was a good coach for us. More about the point of having three openings all of whom were primary recruiters (Erb, Campbell, Wilson), and hiring three older white guys.
 
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The 2013 hires of Jim Reid (ok), Chris White, and Bobby Kennedy. Woof. Keep in mind two of the guys we were replacing were Soup Campbell and Darrell Wilson.
Those others suck but this is underrating Reid. He was an awesome hire. He was way overqualified to be a position coach and I think having someone with DC experience on staff really helped Phil ease into the role.

Register is saying that new guy is taking over for Woods as TE coach but the press release makes that seem like less of a done deal? Given their respective experiences making him RB coach and having Brian coach TEs would make a lot of sense I think.
yeah reid was a great hire. he gets sort of lumped in with other meh coaches because he was an old white guy but he was overqualified for that spot.

Kennedy was defensible only in the sense that if you were going to have the GD offense it made sense to go all in but indefensible in the sense that why would you go all-in on a passing game developed by two white guys combined age 115 when one of them had wrecked the offense the year before.

White while external was basically a KF union card type hire.

the Register article (maybe updated?) was more of just speculative on how Woods is definitely taking over ST full-time and the general evolution of the offensive staff. phrasing was weird but isn't reporting it.
 

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Yeah I know Reid was a good coach for us. More about the point of having three openings all of whom were primary recruiters (Erb, Campbell, Wilson), and hiring three older white guys.
How old were Campbell, Wilson, white and kennedy? Not going to get into the race thing, but doesn’t that need factchecking too?
 
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Yeah I know Reid was a good coach for us. More about the point of having three openings all of whom were primary recruiters (Erb, Campbell, Wilson), and hiring three older white guys.
How old were Campbell, Wilson, white and kennedy? Not going to get into the race thing, but doesn’t that need factchecking too?
I did not make any vintage warranties about Campbell and Wilson. Kennedy and White were both mid to high 40s when hired.
 
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Yeah I know Reid was a good coach for us. More about the point of having three openings all of whom were primary recruiters (Erb, Campbell, Wilson), and hiring three older white guys.
How old were Campbell, Wilson, white and kennedy? Not going to get into the race thing, but doesn’t that need factchecking too?
Campbell was 46 and Wilson was 54 when they left Iowa. Kennedy was the same age as Campbell (looked older though). White was also 46 so the staff got younger with those two, Erb was 43 while Reid was was 63.
 

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Yeah I know Reid was a good coach for us. More about the point of having three openings all of whom were primary recruiters (Erb, Campbell, Wilson), and hiring three older white guys.
How old were Campbell, Wilson, white and kennedy? Not going to get into the race thing, but doesn’t that need factchecking too?
Campbell was 46 and Wilson was 54 when they left Iowa. Kennedy was the same age as Campbell (looked older though). White was also 46 so the staff got younger with those two, Erb was 43 while Reid was was 63.
If Kennedy and White were good recruiters/coaches the ages would have been fine. They sucked. Reid was good. Happy about our staff changes.
 
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How old were Campbell, Wilson, white and kennedy? Not going to get into the race thing, but doesn’t that need factchecking too?
Campbell was 46 and Wilson was 54 when they left Iowa. Kennedy was the same age as Campbell (looked older though). White was also 46 so the staff got younger with those two, Erb was 43 while Reid was was 63.
If Kennedy and White were good recruiters/coaches the ages would have been fine. They sucked. Reid was good. Happy about our staff changes.
oh I agree which is part of why no one complains about Reese Morgan. I do think it's relevant that Kirk in the last couple of offseasons has dropped the age of the guys he's hiring by about a decade (while also getting more diversity) both in recruiting/retention but also in drive. a guy like Polasek or Foster probably still wants to be a P5 OC or HC down the road while a mid-career guy is content to kick around the position coach circuit. nothing wrong with the latter but it's a different hire.
 

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Shawnee maintains that Chris White was/is the worst coach at any level ever to set foot on a football field.
 

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I wonder if Campbell had a alcohol or drug problem. He went from highly thought of guru and associate head coach at Michigan to basically nothing in the span of a few years.
 

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The overall staff including the coaches and support positions were terrible there for a few years. It is much better now.
 
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I wonder if Campbell had a alcohol or drug problem. He went from highly thought of guru and associate head coach at Michigan to basically nothing in the span of a few years.
yeah, that's weird. you'd think that having spent 10+ years as Michigan WR coaching guys like Edwards, Breaston, Manningham, Toomer, etc. (not to mention all-B10 guys DJK and McNutt at Iowa) would get him any lower-end P5 WR coach job on general principle. instead he went to Canada to some token position at Michigan to UConn to FCS.
 

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I wonder if Campbell had a alcohol or drug problem. He went from highly thought of guru and associate head coach at Michigan to basically nothing in the span of a few years.
yeah, that's weird. you'd think that having spent 10+ years as Michigan WR coaching guys like Edwards, Breaston, Manningham, Toomer, etc. (not to mention all-B10 guys DJK and McNutt at Iowa) would get him any lower-end P5 WR coach job on general principle. instead he went to Canada to some token position at Michigan to UConn to FCS.
KF black ball
 

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I wonder if Campbell had a alcohol or drug problem. He went from highly thought of guru and associate head coach at Michigan to basically nothing in the span of a few years.
yeah, that's weird. you'd think that having spent 10+ years as Michigan WR coaching guys like Edwards, Breaston, Manningham, Toomer, etc. (not to mention all-B10 guys DJK and McNutt at Iowa) would get him any lower-end P5 WR coach job on general principle. instead he went to Canada to some token position at Michigan to UConn to FCS.
I am going to guess that he has some personal issues that people will hire him off his name but quickly figure out he isn't worth it.
 

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So black guys are probably great recruiters but also have drug issues. Got it.
 

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I wonder if Campbell had a alcohol or drug problem. He went from highly thought of guru and associate head coach at Michigan to basically nothing in the span of a few years.
yeah, that's weird. you'd think that having spent 10+ years as Michigan WR coaching guys like Edwards, Breaston, Manningham, Toomer, etc. (not to mention all-B10 guys DJK and McNutt at Iowa) would get him any lower-end P5 WR coach job on general principle. instead he went to Canada to some token position at Michigan to UConn to FCS.
I am going to guess that he has some personal issues that people will hire him off his name but quickly figure out he isn't worth it.
Not that it necessarily means anything but he's bounced around and I'm not sure he's ever been married. So he's probably weird as shit.
 
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yeah, that's weird. you'd think that having spent 10+ years as Michigan WR coaching guys like Edwards, Breaston, Manningham, Toomer, etc. (not to mention all-B10 guys DJK and McNutt at Iowa) would get him any lower-end P5 WR coach job on general principle. instead he went to Canada to some token position at Michigan to UConn to FCS.
I am going to guess that he has some personal issues that people will hire him off his name but quickly figure out he isn't worth it.
Not that it necessarily means anything but he's bounced around and I'm not sure he's ever been married. So he's probably weird as shit.
his wife died young while he was at Michigan

http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/article_6a8a9260-408c-56f4-9c35-a8872a1d1fef.html
 
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