**2018 Big Ten Tournament Thread**

[CamelTones]

Michigan is going to light it up from 3 against Nebrantska tomorrow and I’m not mad about it.

 

[Big Tuna]

Moss can GFH and transfer please.

Respectfully disagree. Wagner and Ellingson are the only 2 we need gone.

He is an inconsistent shooter, takes a lot of questionable/bad shots (last shot today for instance), and is dog shit on defense. Him transferring wouldn't have a negative impact.

 

[MikeyJoe]

Nonsense. The guys you want to transfer are upperclassmen who aren't going to develop any further or underclassmen who are buried on the depth chart. Moss is neither. And I agree he's not very good right now.

 

[6deuce]

If Moss wasn't the scarecrow he would be so fucking good.

 

[Thomas Wolsey]

Moss is damn frustrating to be sure, but he gave the most positive minutes at the wing. This team has no wings. He is also young and has obvious talent.

 

[CamelTones]

You absolutely do not want Moss to transfer. These are college kids that are not going to make every shot. Moss has loads of potential, just needs to be more consistent. A guy like Brady does not have loads of potential and is taking up space on the roster.

I’d be shocked if one of Pemsl/Kriener doesn’t leave. It goes back and forth as to which one is awful from night to night.

I don’t feel like getting rid of Wagner is really necessary. He rebounds well and is probably their best defender so he has some value and will be a Senior. Iowa really only needs to open up one spot for a grad transfer on the wing and their roster will be damn good going into next year.

And Fran needs to be honest with himself and set a rotation.

 

[CamelTones]

 

[HiawathaHawk]

I got to my truck and heard Dolph say Fran refused questions? Lol

I just heard his full interview with Bobby so guessing you heard wrong.

 

[MikeyJoe]

Said "Don't want to answer that question right now" around the 1:40 mark but it was in reference to pro ball, not transferring.

 

[AZmessDAWG]

Garza has a pretty good feel for the game on both ends of the court. I don't think the rap on him as not being particularly athletic is fair. Athleticism is much more than just muscle density, leaping ability and quickness. It also involves stamina, agility and coordination, and he has all of those qualities. He's stronger than he looks, he plays smart, he's a leader and he hustles his ass off. He's a helluva player as a true freshman. If he sticks around for three or four years, he's going to be a real force in the Big Ten.

This is all spot on. He’s an 18-year-old still adjusting to his huge body, so it’s fine if he looks like a baby giraffe out there sometimes. He plays his ass off and doesn’t get rattled and that’s all he needs to be doing.

when Garza falls down, it is amazing how long it takes him to get up. its like he has to look at his legs to get them to do what he wants so he can stand up

You pick the weirdest things to focus on

 

[Bovert]

You absolutely do not want Moss to transfer. These are college kids that are not going to make every shot. Moss has loads of potential, just needs to be more consistent. A guy like Brady does not have loads of potential and is taking up space on the roster.

I’d be shocked if one of Pemsl/Kriener doesn’t leave. It goes back and forth as to which one is awful from night to night.

I don’t feel like getting rid of Wagner is really necessary. He rebounds well and is probably their best defender so he has some value and will be a Senior. Iowa really only needs to open up one spot for a grad transfer on the wing and their roster will be damn good going into next year.

And Fran needs to be honest with himself and set a rotation.

I refuse to believe this. I have never seen him rebound well. In fact, I often wonder why he doesn't get more rebounds.

If someone has a stat or stats to back up the assertion that Wagner rebounds well or even average I'm willing to listen and admit wrong. I will not DMOFR

 

[Billy Butters]

Moss can GFH and transfer please.

Respectfully disagree. Wagner and Ellingson are the only 2 we need gone.

He is an inconsistent shooter, takes a lot of questionable/bad shots (last shot today for instance), and is dog shit on defense. Him transferring wouldn't have a negative impact.

Who do you want to play shooting guard? Some random JUCO isn't going to be better than Moss. He's a better defender than every other starter and at least showed an effort to go to the basket late in the year.

 

[Hawk_Kegmasters]

You absolutely do not want Moss to transfer. These are college kids that are not going to make every shot. Moss has loads of potential, just needs to be more consistent. A guy like Brady does not have loads of potential and is taking up space on the roster.

I’d be shocked if one of Pemsl/Kriener doesn’t leave. It goes back and forth as to which one is awful from night to night.

I don’t feel like getting rid of Wagner is really necessary. He rebounds well and is probably their best defender so he has some value and will be a Senior. Iowa really only needs to open up one spot for a grad transfer on the wing and their roster will be damn good going into next year.

And Fran needs to be honest with himself and set a rotation.

I refuse to believe this. I have never seen him rebound well. In fact, I often wonder why he doesn't get more rebounds.

If someone has a stat or stats to back up the assertion that Wagner rebounds well or even average I'm willing to listen and admit wrong. I will not DMOFR

He had 1 rebound in 15 minutes today.

 

[AZmessDAWG]

He averages 1.7 rpg

 

[CamelTones]

*Wagner is a terrible rebounder.

 

[Hawk_Kegmasters]

6 steals and 2 blocks total on the season. 6-18 from the line.

 

[CurdMan]

 

[nolookpass]

Said "Don't want to answer that question right now" around the 1:40 mark but it was in reference to pro ball, not transferring.

class act

 

[26.2]

OH FUCK

 

[Talkin' Goat]

I'm sitting at el bait shop and Chris Williams and hacksaw Jim duggan are both here....please God let this happen...

I will give you $100 to stab him in the neck.

 

[Billy Butters]

You absolutely do not want Moss to transfer. These are college kids that are not going to make every shot. Moss has loads of potential, just needs to be more consistent. A guy like Brady does not have loads of potential and is taking up space on the roster.

I’d be shocked if one of Pemsl/Kriener doesn’t leave. It goes back and forth as to which one is awful from night to night.

I don’t feel like getting rid of Wagner is really necessary. He rebounds well and is probably their best defender so he has some value and will be a Senior. Iowa really only needs to open up one spot for a grad transfer on the wing and their roster will be damn good going into next year.

And Fran needs to be honest with himself and set a rotation.

I refuse to believe this. I have never seen him rebound well. In fact, I often wonder why he doesn't get more rebounds.

If someone has a stat or stats to back up the assertion that Wagner rebounds well or even average I'm willing to listen and admit wrong. I will not DMOFR

He was just slightly worse than your boy Michael Jacobsen for his first 2 years and that's with playing more minutes on the perimeter. I don't think he's good but he's also like 6'4".

 

[Trey Kohn]

I got to my truck and heard Dolph say Fran refused questions? Lol

I just heard his full interview with Bobby so guessing you heard wrong.

Not surprising dipshit heard it wrong. His life story.

 

[CurdMan]

Cook is a good kid and is fun to watch. Iowa would be better off with him, but are not completely fucked without him. Will wish him the best either way.

 

[Talkin' Goat]

The Moss potential thing made sense last year. Now he can GFH. And I still completely agree he has tons of potential. Just not in Iowa City.

 

[CurdMan]

With that said, I loved how pissed Fran got at him with a minute and a half to go in the game. Then yanked him. Fran is one of a kind

 

[CamelTones]

Again, there is no reason for Tyler Cook to play college basketball beyond next season. If he transfers he is getting terrible advice. Either go pro now or come back for one more season.

 

[CurdMan]

The Moss potential thing made sense last year. Now he can GFH. And I still completely agree he has tons of potential. Just not in Iowa City.

Disagree. Iowa will have more options at guard next year. JB, Connor, Joe, Maishe, and Moss are a solid group. Who cares if Moss doesn’t reach his potential and plays a lesser role next year? You’ve invested in him and the chance for a big payout is still there.

 

[LifelongHawk]

Fucking ghouls in our media.
Let the kids hurt in peace before trying to chase clicks and likes and follows. Self important pricks.

 

[CamelTones]

 

[CurdMan]

Iowa basketball is going to be just fine

 

[Bovert]

You absolutely do not want Moss to transfer. These are college kids that are not going to make every shot. Moss has loads of potential, just needs to be more consistent. A guy like Brady does not have loads of potential and is taking up space on the roster.

I’d be shocked if one of Pemsl/Kriener doesn’t leave. It goes back and forth as to which one is awful from night to night.

I don’t feel like getting rid of Wagner is really necessary. He rebounds well and is probably their best defender so he has some value and will be a Senior. Iowa really only needs to open up one spot for a grad transfer on the wing and their roster will be damn good going into next year.

And Fran needs to be honest with himself and set a rotation.

I refuse to believe this. I have never seen him rebound well. In fact, I often wonder why he doesn't get more rebounds.

If someone has a stat or stats to back up the assertion that Wagner rebounds well or even average I'm willing to listen and admit wrong. I will not DMOFR

He was just slightly worse than your boy Michael Jacobsen for his first 2 years and that's with playing more minutes on the perimeter. I don't think he's good but he's also like 6'4".

I haven't the slightest idea what this post means. First, Wagner averaged like half the rebounds of Jacobsen their 1st two years. Second, Wagner is listed at 6'7". And third, and most of all, all I ever did was mention that ISU has Jacobsen next year in a conversation about who ISU has next year. I never said he was good.

So at this point I will continue to believe that Wagner is not a good or even average rebounder as nobody has displayed otherwise, especially not you in your nearly incoherent post

 

[Billy Butters]

The Moss potential thing made sense last year. Now he can GFH. And I still completely agree he has tons of potential. Just not in Iowa City.

Are you more comfortable going into next year with potentially only bohannon, Connor, Weiskamp and a last resort Juco? He has shown he can play in short spurts. You just have to hope it clicks. I think he's a better bet than what you'll get in the market. IMO we don't have the depth to be kicking are second best guard to the curb.

 

[douglasbader]

I put it in the other thread as well, but give him a couple of weeks to clear his head. I'm sure he is disappointed, getting outside pressure and doesn't know what to do. NBA dreams tugging on him, being embarrassed to be on a losing team and other factors have him all fucked up.

It is all going to come down to the following.....

- Do you want to sit out a year?
- Do you think the changes Iowa makes in the next 2 months give it a chance to be a winning team?
- Are you going to get a pro grade from scouts and do you want to chance going into the draft?

My guess is he doesn't want to sit a year and he also won't get a pro grade.

Either way, whatever.

 

[Trey Kohn]

Garza is the the man for this program. I think he is a legit stud!! Future is bright, boys. Keep the heads up, except for @AZmess since he likes to bob his head between mens legs lawl

 

[Talkin' Goat]

The Moss potential thing made sense last year. Now he can GFH. And I still completely agree he has tons of potential. Just not in Iowa City.

Are you more comfortable going into next year with potentially only bohannon, Connor, Weiskamp and a last resort Juco? He has shown he can play in short spurts. You just have to hope it clicks. I think he's a better bet than what you'll get in the market. IMO we don't have the depth to be kicking are second best guard to the curb.

Yes. I’m done with the Moss tease. It could backfire in a big way, but him being nothing just kills this team. Let someone else take the risk.

 

[CurdMan]

C.J. Beathard level toughness

 

[Billy Butters]

I refuse to believe this. I have never seen him rebound well. In fact, I often wonder why he doesn't get more rebounds.

If someone has a stat or stats to back up the assertion that Wagner rebounds well or even average I'm willing to listen and admit wrong. I will not DMOFR

He was just slightly worse than your boy Michael Jacobsen for his first 2 years and that's with playing more minutes on the perimeter. I don't think he's good but he's also like 6'4".

I haven't the slightest idea what this post means. First, Wagner averaged like half the rebounds of Jacobsen their 1st two years. Second, Wagner is listed at 6'7". And third, and most of all, all I ever did was mention that ISU has Jacobsen next year in a conversation about who ISU has next year. I never said he was good.

So at this point I will continue to believe that Wagner is not a good or even average rebounder as nobody has displayed otherwise, especially not you in your nearly incoherent post

I was going off per 40 minute stats to be fair. 10.4 & 8.5 for Wagner vs 9.4 & 10.3 for Jacobsen. You included him in a comment about their future being bright. Fuck you, you cyclone loving fatty. We all know he's not 6'7", he's shorter than Moss and Bardo even made a comment a few games back about his height.

 

[Swingin' Dick Stanzi]

I refuse to believe this. I have never seen him rebound well. In fact, I often wonder why he doesn't get more rebounds.

If someone has a stat or stats to back up the assertion that Wagner rebounds well or even average I'm willing to listen and admit wrong. I will not DMOFR

He was just slightly worse than your boy Michael Jacobsen for his first 2 years and that's with playing more minutes on the perimeter. I don't think he's good but he's also like 6'4".

I haven't the slightest idea what this post means. First, Wagner averaged like half the rebounds of Jacobsen their 1st two years. Second, Wagner is listed at 6'7". And third, and most of all, all I ever did was mention that ISU has Jacobsen next year in a conversation about who ISU has next year. I never said he was good.

So at this point I will continue to believe that Wagner is not a good or even average rebounder as nobody has displayed otherwise, especially not you in your nearly incoherent post

He’s a good offensive rebounder- 11+% OREB%, which is second highest on the team. He is a pretty bad defensive rebounder, as he is behind all the posts, Nunge, Baer, and even Dailey in DREB%.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

C.J. Beathard level toughness

So plug that into the Fran reduction equation and he is probably just fine.

 

[Soda Popinski]

I got to my truck and heard Dolph say Fran refused questions? Lol

I just heard his full interview with Bobby so guessing you heard wrong.

I heard the tail end of that. Not sure what was going on.

 

[Talkin' Goat]

I got to my truck and heard Dolph say Fran refused questions? Lol

I just heard his full interview with Bobby so guessing you heard wrong.

I hea hear the tail end of that. Bit sure what was going on

Bowed

 

[Wanderer]

I wonder if a bigger, stronger and more athletic Kevin Huerter is a good comparison for Wieskamp.

I would take that. Huerter came in ready to play as a freshman. They're both pretty athletic and seem to be able to fill up the stat sheet. That would be a huge upgrade to what we're running out there now.

I wonder if a bigger, stronger and more athletic Kevin Huerter is a good comparison for Wieskamp.

I would take that. Huerter came in ready to play as a freshman. They're both pretty athletic and seem to be able to fill up the stat sheet. That would be a huge upgrade to what we're running out there now.

I’m thinking my comparison is Robbie Hummel.

 

[AZmessDAWG]

Garza is the the man for this program. I think he is a legit stud!! Future is bright, boys. Keep the heads up, except for @AZmess since he likes to bob his head between mens legs lawl

You went to prison.

 

[Trey Kohn]

Garza is the the man for this program. I think he is a legit stud!! Future is bright, boys. Keep the heads up, except for @AZmess since he likes to bob his head between mens legs lawl

You went to prison.

False, 26.2 wannabe. I'll see you at Reds later, brah!

 

[26.2]

Garza is the the man for this program. I think he is a legit stud!! Future is bright, boys. Keep the heads up, except for @AZmess since he likes to bob his head between mens legs lawl

You went to prison.

The guy that probably was someone's bitch in prison is making gay jokes. I love it.

 

[AZmessDAWG]

Gettin chippy.

 

[Trey Kohn]

Garza is the the man for this program. I think he is a legit stud!! Future is bright, boys. Keep the heads up, except for @AZmess since he likes to bob his head between mens legs lawl

You went to prison.

The guy that probably was someone's bitch in prison is making gay jokes. I love it.

One foot in front of the other, Holmes. You're a runner, figure it out.

 

[Tugboat]

The Cook transfer makes zero sense. Stay at Iowa or G League.

 

[eclone]

I'm sitting at el bait shop and Chris Williams and hacksaw Jim duggan are both here....please God let this happen...

This?

 

[hawkeyealum]

I wish he would have seriously choked him