**2018 Iowa Basketball Offseason Thread**

[Fletch]

I would be 100% ok if kirk took Ahmad and Fran let him stay on the team as a walk on and come out for senior day.

fuck that. The temptation to give him minutes would be too great.

 

[Slidewilly]

2015 ia recruiting class Christian williams, dale jones , brandon hutton, Andrew fleming, wagner and moss, 1 left of a 6 man class, yuck

Hutton was by far the biggest disappointment to me in that class. Williams looked good offensively on video, but we had some decent offensive talent (or thought we did) at the time; I was surprised Fran kept after him so long. I don't recall anyone not being excited about landing Hutton. He was a Chicago area kid, he looked like a terrific athlete and a beast on defense--something we needed then and still need now--and we "beat" Wisconsin to sign him at a time when they were riding high. That class was almost a complete bust, apart from Moss, who alternates between outstanding and missing in action, and Wagner, who played hard and sometimes very well on defense, but overall was only an occasional contributor.

Fran now has a chance to rebuild the roster somewhat. I hope he makes the most of the opportunity this time.

 

[douglasbader]

2015 ia recruiting class Christian williams, dale jones , brandon hutton, Andrew fleming, wagner and moss, 1 left of a 6 man class, yuck

Hutton was by far the biggest disappointment to me in that class. Williams looked good offensively on video, but we had some decent offensive talent (or thought we did) at the time; I was surprised Fran kept after him so long. I don't recall anyone not being excited about landing Hutton. He was a Chicago area kid, he looked like a terrific athlete and a beast on defense--something we needed then and still need now--and we "beat" Wisconsin to sign him at a time when they were riding high. That class was almost a complete bust, apart from Moss, who alternates between outstanding and missing in action, and Wagner, who played hard and sometimes very well on defense, but overall was only an occasional contributor.

Fran now has a chance to rebuild the roster somewhat. I hope he makes the most of the opportunity this time.

The 2014 and 2015 classes were near coach killers. The good news is that Fran has recovered ever since then.

Cook, bohannon, Garza, Nunge, Connor and Wieskamp all are either confirmed good players or should end up being. The jury is out still on Pemsl, Kreiner and Dailey, but they look so much better than any of the junk in the 2014 and 2015 classes and should be solid role players on some level.

Iowa and Fran should have a nice turnaround coming up. Hopefully they are aggressive and grab a difference maker in the spring.

 

[wondergrape]

I doubt Wagner stays to play football here. He’s probably a year away from contributing and I doubt Kirk is going to use a scholarship for 2 years to get maybe 1 out of Wagner.

I bet he ends up somewhere like Akron.

Cincinnati is my guess. Maybe Miami (oh) or Ohio.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Hypothetical, if we don’t use Wagner’s ride in hoops next year and he joins the football team, could he retain his hoops scholarship or would he still have to count against the football allotment? Or both?

I honestly can’t think of any case that’s precedent since the new mandatory four year rides came into effect. I guess my question is, do we for sure need an open football ride?

 

[Hawk&Balls]

Hypothetical, if we don’t use Wagner’s ride in hoops next year and he joins the football team, could he retain his hoops scholarship or would he still have to count against the football allotment? Or both?

I honestly can’t think of any case that’s precedent since the new mandatory four year rides came into effect. I guess my question is, do we for sure need an open football ride?

I believe it would count against football

 

[HiawathaHawk]

Yeah I was way off on Hutton. If he had been an Eric May level player he would have made a big difference.

 

[wondergrape]

Yeah I was way off on Hutton. If he had been an Eric May level player he would have made a big difference.

He averaged 4 points per game this year at Northwestern State.

So much for Fran's grand Chicago experiment. Thank goodness he bailed on Cook County after 2015. Many careers have fallen into the black hole of the Chicago sucubus.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Cracks me up when dipshits watch the tourney and “way more athletic than us!!!”

You’d think our 2015 class would have taught them a lesson that there is more to hoops that athletic ability and/or skin color.

 

[OlePeep]

Here is me to all of you after today!!

Is there an option for like getting a 4 pack of Todd the Axe Man or something similar from you instead of these options?

 

[Stomper15]

How could anyone be upset about either of these?

Check out the facebook and twitter replies. It's hilarious.

From where?

 

[Revolver]

How could anyone be upset about either of these?

Check out the facebook and twitter replies. It's hilarious.

From where?

Twitter and Facebook.

 

[Hawkstrat]

Cracks me up when dipshits watch the tourney and “way more athletic than us!!!”

You’d think our 2015 class would have taught them a lesson that there is more to hoops that athletic ability and/or skin color.

You'd think after watching this past season certain people would realize athleticism counts for something.

 

[Geese]

That's debatable

 

[Grandma]

Sherman Dillard thinking...

 

[Soda Popinski]

Been space whacking since about 4 o'clock!

 

[CamelTones]

Sherman Dillard just tweeted some cryptic stuff.

Did he delete it? There’s nothing cryptic about his most recent tweet.

 

[Grandma]

Sherman Dillard just tweeted some cryptic stuff.

Did he delete it? There’s nothing cryptic about his most recent tweet.

Ninja edit. The thinking part seems cryptic to me.

 

[Grandma]

Unless he's still thinking about who is more wholesome and I'm an idiot.

Move along. Nothing to see here.

 

[douglasbader]

Sherman Dillard just tweeted some cryptic stuff.

Did he delete it? There’s nothing cryptic about his most recent tweet.

Ninja edit. The thinking part seems cryptic to me.

What the fuck are you talking about?

 

[Hawkstrat]

Sherman Dillard thinking...

Not really.

 

[douglasbader]

Yeah, you didn't read that very well.

 

[Revolver]

I didn’t know Grandma’s handle was an accurate moniker.

 

[Geese]

I read it as he's still thinking and unable to come up with anyone. Nothing cryptic about it.

 

[Nobody]

Well, that's one of the names I was told during the season. There was one other, but his comments have indicated he's probably not leaving (though they obviously might have some unexpected departures to deal with).

Spoiler

The other thing I heard along with those names is that the staff had put together a list of Juco & grad transfer prospects to target, so here. we. go!

Thank you @Nobody. These are pretty valuable insights.

I know, it's incredibly vague and something we all would've been able to figure out. I'd love to be more specific, but do not ever want to burn this source - they're legit as good as it gets. I can't remember which game thread I posted it in, but there was a plan in place during the season to change some roles and then push out at least two guys at the end of the season. One has happened and the other has not, so I don't want to start a shitstorm in case he or his family might read this site. Wagner fell under the role change category, which he accepted during the season, but there obviously wasn't a path forward to have a significant role next year.

 

[Bob]

I read it as he's still thinking and unable to come up with anyone. Nothing cryptic about it.

This is the only way to read it.

 

[Geese]

He is engorged.

 

[TJones3312]

He is engorged.

Scott is going to space whack his night away.

 

[nolookpass]

Former Hoops player is telling us that Wagner is seriously considering going out for football

I'm going to start trusting this guy more

 

[Revolver]

Former Hoops player is telling us that Wagner is seriously considering going out for football

I'm going to start trusting this guy more

 

[Revolver]

Gotta tip the cap to Wagner and Ellingson for being classy about this. Fran has this under control. Kakert’s BS made it seem like the wheels were falling off 10 days ago.

 

[Carter Page]

nm

 

[HiawathaHawk]

Skimming through the HR podcast. Kakert thinks more are leaving but not Nunge, bohannon, Garza and obviously Baer and Connor. Thinks Kriener back also. Leaves Pemsl, Dailey and Moss. Said he thinks the other guys are fence sitting but if it happens it will be soon and not drag out.

 

[Fletch]

What does this mean?

Definition of this
plural these play \ˈt͟hēz\
1a (1) : the person, thing, or idea that is present or near in place, time, or thought or that has just been mentioned

• these are my hands

(2) : what is stated in the following phrase, clause, or discourse

• I can only say this: it wasn't here yesterday

b : this time or place

• expected to return before this

2a : the one nearer or more immediately under observation or discussion

• this is iron and that is tin

b : the one more recently referred to

 

[hawkbloom]

Skimming through the HR podcast. Kakert thinks more are leaving but not Nunge, bohannon, Garza and obviously Baer and Connor. Thinks Kriener back also. Leaves Pemsl, Dailey and Moss. Said he thinks the other guys are fence sitting but if it happens it will be soon and not drag out.

 

[Carter Page]

Kind of a dumb observation, but it's good to see today. No disrespect toward Wagner or Brady, but as a fan I'm happy to see Fran have it in him to make some moves. He is obviously a players' coach and it kills him to sit someone on the bench, much less show guys the door in a fashion. But this season was horrible - something had to change. Our roster imbalance needs to be addressed. And we need to find players that will be a net positive. He looks ready to make it happen. Hopefully a juco or transfer can work out for next season, but bank one or two if not.

One other thought - it may just be possible that Cook is more likely to come back with the changes in the works.

 

[Wanderer]

This will give Fran the flexibility to fill Cook's spot should he decide to leave.

I think if Cook leaves, his spot is open.

 

[Orestes]

Skimming through the HR podcast. Kakert thinks more are leaving but not Nunge, bohannon, Garza and obviously Baer and Connor. Thinks Kriener back also. Leaves Pemsl, Dailey and Moss. Said he thinks the other guys are fence sitting but if it happens it will be soon and not drag out.

Buncha gym rats right there.

 

[Wanderer]

Skimming through the HR podcast. Kakert thinks more are leaving but not Nunge, bohannon, Garza and obviously Baer and Connor. Thinks Kriener back also. Leaves Pemsl, Dailey and Moss. Said he thinks the other guys are fence sitting but if it happens it will be soon and not drag out.

Buncha gym rats right there.

Probably played the game the right way too.

 

[Hawkstrat]

Lots of lucky daughters.

 

[Jimmie Dimmick]

Skimming through the HR podcast. Kakert thinks more are leaving but not Nunge, bohannon, Garza and obviously Baer and Connor. Thinks Kriener back also. Leaves Pemsl, Dailey and Moss. Said he thinks the other guys are fence sitting but if it happens it will be soon and not drag out.

fuckin snow storm

 

[Tugboat]

Snow.

 

[Jimmie Dimmick]

Snow.

Licky boom boom down

 

[Lefty]

Skimming through the HR podcast. Kakert thinks more are leaving but not Nunge, bohannon, Garza and obviously Baer and Connor. Thinks Kriener back also. Leaves Pemsl, Dailey and Moss. Said he thinks the other guys are fence sitting but if it happens it will be soon and not drag out.

Kakert is just throwing darts again. Most people on here seem to think it is possible more leave and have mentioned Pemsl and Dailey. Kakert doesn’t know shit.

 

[CamelTones]

Skimming through the HR podcast. Kakert thinks more are leaving but not Nunge, bohannon, Garza and obviously Baer and Connor. Thinks Kriener back also. Leaves Pemsl, Dailey and Moss. Said he thinks the other guys are fence sitting but if it happens it will be soon and not drag out.

Kakert is just throwing darts again. Most people on here seem to think it is possible more leave and have mentioned Pemsl and Dailey. Kakert doesn’t know shit.

He claims all the info he was given has come true at this point and thinks Cook will stay in the draft, Pemsl is on the fence and was cryptic about the other 2, specifically Moss.

 

[HerkyHopeful]

Skimming through the HR podcast. Kakert thinks more are leaving but not Nunge, bohannon, Garza and obviously Baer and Connor. Thinks Kriener back also. Leaves Pemsl, Dailey and Moss. Said he thinks the other guys are fence sitting but if it happens it will be soon and not drag out.

Kakert is just throwing darts again. Most people on here seem to think it is possible more leave and have mentioned Pemsl and Dailey. Kakert doesn’t know shit.

He claims all the info he was given has come true at this point and thinks Cook will stay in the draft, Pemsl is on the fence and was cryptic about the other 2, specifically Moss.

Of course that dipshit claims that he is right. If he was said the info he was given was false he would lose what little credibility he has left. Some of these guys that cover Iowa athletics are the biggest morons around.

 

[The Incredible Hawk]

Skimming through the HR podcast. Kakert thinks more are leaving but not Nunge, bohannon, Garza and obviously Baer and Connor. Thinks Kriener back also. Leaves Pemsl, Dailey and Moss. Said he thinks the other guys are fence sitting but if it happens it will be soon and not drag out.

Kakert is just throwing darts again. Most people on here seem to think it is possible more leave and have mentioned Pemsl and Dailey. Kakert doesn’t know shit.

No wai!!!

 

[The Incredible Hawk]

Kakert is just throwing darts again. Most people on here seem to think it is possible more leave and have mentioned Pemsl and Dailey. Kakert doesn’t know shit.

He claims all the info he was given has come true at this point and thinks Cook will stay in the draft, Pemsl is on the fence and was cryptic about the other 2, specifically Moss.

Of course that dipshit claims that he is right. If he was said the info he was given was false he would lose what little credibility he has left. Some of these guys that cover Iowa athletics are the biggest morons around.

lol

 

[douglasbader]

Lolz. I actually think Dochterman wants to take a load on the face or chest from Wagner. He even fucking photoshoped a pic of him.

 

[douglasbader]

This is Randy Petersen level embarrassing. It isn't even reporting, it is literally trying to will a fantasy to happen. What a pathetic loser.

Frankly, it’s mutually beneficial for Wagner to play wide receiver at Iowa. The Hawkeyes have a need at split end, and both the football staff and Wagner know each other well. Wagner could finish earning his degree, work with the team right now and compete for snaps this spring. If it doesn’t work out after this fall, he could always leave as a graduate transfer for his final season.

Wagner is a physical presence with high character and solid leadership qualities. He competed against terrific athletes in the post and often held his own. He has a chance to begin something special as a receiver in college and perhaps enhance his qualities professionally. Former college basketball players such as Jimmy Graham, Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates turned into All-Pro tight ends. Former Penn State forward Ross Travis switched sports after his basketball career and became an NFL tight end. Even former Western Kentucky forward George Fant turned into a starting NFL tackle with the Seattle Seahawks.

Those examples show Wagner he can switch from decent basketball player to upper-level football player. Now he has two years left to prove it.