**2024/2025 Iowa Football Offseason & Transfer Portal Thread**

[Gushawk]

The fiction of NIL being something other than pay to play is the root of the problem. Changing that fixes most of this.

 

[Hawk&Balls]

Then don't use an agent

 

[Monster]

That kid specifically is a grifter. Your guy Proctor is a grifter.

I don't know, we could all do lots of things that we could legally get away with to make more money or take advantage of people, but something about honor and decency and keeping your word seems like it should mean something on some level.

I'm the one on here encouraging Josh Dix and Owen Freeman to go get paid next year. I have no problem with it, but you don't go get paid and then back out 5 seconds later and keep the money to go then get more money somewhere else.

I've asked the question several times. No answer yet. Do you expect the athletes to behave with more loyalty and ethics than the cosc,agents, and collective reps?

 

[Gushawk]

I don't know what that means.

It was a rude reference to Kadyn’s mother, who many Iowa fans believe has influenced his pwning of Brad

 

[Monster]

Then don't use an agent

Who doesn't? The players? Ok, what would you call the people working behind the scenes between schools and players in exchange for a piece of the money?

 

[douglasbader]

I don't think so. Where in the rules does it say they have to? They only get 4 years.

Again, do you expect the athletes to be more loyal and ethical than the coaches, agents, and collective reps? Look at it from the perspective of someone who grew up poor and not from your perspective.

Would you encourage your son to go up to a house and say to some lady "hey I have a timeslot open, I can rake your leaves, but you need to give me $20 upfront" and then go 2 houses down and some desperate guy needs them raked and will pay double so he takes that $40 and says fuck it and never rakes the leaves for that lady that gave him $20?

Hey, he never said he would, he said he can! Lol, fuck that old lady!

 

[douglasbader]

I don't know what that means.

Yes you do.

 

[Monster]

It was a rude reference to Kadyn’s mother, who many Iowa fans believe has influenced his pwning of Brad

Well, I don't talk to her. Last I saw her was at a team dinner 3 years ago. So I don't know. Lots of assumptions have been made about her, mostly by people who have no idea what they are talking about.

I occasionally chat with dad, but we mostly exchange memes and tiktoks and never talk about any of this shit because it's none of my business.

 

[Monster]

Would you encourage your son to go up to a house and say to some lady "hey I have a timeslot open, I can rake your leaves, but you need to give me $20 upfront" and then go 2 houses down and some desperate guy needs them raked and will pay double so he takes that $40 and says fuck it and never rakes the leaves for that lady that gave him $20?

Hey, he never said he would, he said he can! Lol, fuck that old lady!

Thanks for avoiding the question again.

 

[Gushawk]

I've asked the question several times. No answer yet. Do you expect the athletes to behave with more loyalty and ethics than the cosc,agents, and collective reps?

coaches have buyouts that someone pays if they leave, and I don’t recall any coach ever taking and keeping a signing bonus without coaching the team who paid it. agents and collectives are much less analogous, but i do think collectives who stiff players should face serious perhaps even criminal consequences

 

[douglasbader]

I've asked the question several times. No answer yet. Do you expect the athletes to behave with more loyalty and ethics than the cosc,agents, and collective reps?

I'll answer. Your premise is dumb. Any coach leaving the school has to pay a buyout and no longer accepts money from the old school, they get paid by the new school. The agents don't get paid by the old school if the coach leaves.

You are advocating for players to falsely represent they will do a job, take money upfront, and then leave to get money somewhere else and keep that money from the first school as well as take money from the second.

That is called dishonest grifting. Hope this helps.

 

[Monster]

Would you encourage your son to go up to a house and say to some lady "hey I have a timeslot open, I can rake your leaves, but you need to give me $20 upfront" and then go 2 houses down and some desperate guy needs them raked and will pay double so he takes that $40 and says fuck it and never rakes the leaves for that lady that gave him $20?

Hey, he never said he would, he said he can! Lol, fuck that old lady!

That's a stupid fucking analogy, btw. Is the lady promising my kid a chance to make raking her yard a regular thing, putting it on his schedule, but secretly negotiating with another kid to rake her lawn?

Just trying to your dumb analogy better.

 

[Debit One]

Would you hire an employee at 100k a year and give them their entire salary up front? With no legal stipulations? Of course you wouldn't.

How many times have we seen a kid commit to a school, and then the school brings in another kid at the exact same position? I'm sure promises were made to the original kid.

Again, do you expect the players to be more ethical than the coaches, agents, and collective reps? Haven't we heard stories of collectives not fulfilling their promises? Agents are reportedly taking 10-20% for being the intermediary in these deals, and they are fucking bullshit artists and thieves.

I get what you are saying. But this shit needs to change, and it's going to take these types of situations to inspire that change. Until it does, why should the player be the ones who are expected to play nice? I mean I know why (fans), but fuck that. Fix the fucking problem.

It isn’t OK to be a shithead because someone else in the room is being a bigger shithead.

Taking money and not living up to your end of the bargain is wrong, even if the other guy is a crook.

 

[douglasbader]

Shit like this is how Trump gets normalized.

 

[Monster]

coaches have buyouts that someone pays if they leave, and I don’t recall any coach ever taking and keeping a signing bonus without coaching the team who paid it. agents and collectives are much less analogous, but i do think collectives who stiff players should face serious perhaps even criminal consequences

But coaches promise recruits they are staying at a school when they are actively looking for other jobs. They also promise kids a starting position when they know they are secretly and actively looking at other kids at the same position. When they happen to find one, then they tell the first kid to gfh. Do they not? Is that ethical?

 

[Monster]

Shit like this is how Trump gets normalized.

Fuck you. Not anywhere near the same thing.

 

[Gushawk]

Again, the fact that collectives have to pretend that they aren’t paying kids to play is why the contracts aren’t as clear as they could be and this type of light fraud is possible.

 

[douglasbader]

That's a stupid fucking analogy, btw. Is the lady promising my kid a chance to make raking her yard a regular thing, putting it on his schedule, but secretly negotiating with another kid to rake her lawn?

Just trying to your dumb analogy better.

So to do a job you have to get "promised" a chance to rake her yard forever to live up to the bargain? The lady agreed to have him come and rake the lawn. She paid him upfront. You are advocating he take the $20 and run away because 2 houses down gave him $40.

Do you know how shady and shit that is?

 

[Hawk&Balls]

This is like the third thunderdome in 24 hours

 

[Dr. Zaius]

Maybe everyone should GFT

 

[Monster]

So to do a job you have to get "promised" a chance to rake her yard forever to live up to the bargain? The lady agreed to have him come and rake the lawn. She paid him upfront. You are advocating he take the $20 and run away because 2 houses down gave him $40.

Do you know how shady and shit that is?

If that's part of the original deal, yes.

Again, it's a stupid fucking analogy.

These kids have 4 years to play and that's it. If they commit to a school with the promise to start, and the coach suddenly brings in another stud to "compete", then I don't blame the kid one bit for walking out, even if they keep the money. Again, for the millionth time why should they be expected to behave more ethically?

 

[Monster]

I'm going to the gym. Someone let me know if this gets resolved.

 

[douglasbader]

Fuck you Whamo!!!!!!!!!!

 

[rodg12]

 

[Gushawk]

But coaches promise recruits they are staying at a school when they are actively looking for other jobs. They also promise kids a starting position when they know they are secretly and actively looking at other kids at the same position. When they happen to find one, then they tell the first kid to gfh. Do they not? Is that ethical?

it’s not ethical, but it’s also not the same thing as taking and keeping a fat signing bonus and not showing up to the job because someone else offered you a higher salary. in the professional world, the circumstances regarding a job (your manager, the projects you’re working on, etc) change without notice or your consent all the time and sometimes before you even start.

 

[douglasbader]

I'll answer. Your premise is dumb. Any coach leaving the school has to pay a buyout and no longer accepts money from the old school, they get paid by the new school. The agents don't get paid by the old school if the coach leaves.

You are advocating for players to falsely represent they will do a job, take money upfront, and then leave to get money somewhere else and keep that money from the first school as well as take money from the second.

That is called dishonest grifting. Hope this helps.

bump since you ignored this and were desperate for an answer

 

[douglasbader]

If that's part of the original deal, yes.

Again, it's a stupid fucking analogy.

These kids have 4 years to play and that's it. If they commit to a school with the promise to start, and the coach suddenly brings in another stud to "compete", then I don't blame the kid one bit for walking out, even if they keep the money. Again, for the millionth time why should they be expected to behave more ethically?

The kid is free to walk, just give back the money and don't be a fucking grifter. THAT'S THE ENTIRE FUCKING POINT.

 

[Gushawk]

I don’t think outright, unconditional promises to start (or that a coach will never lleave) are nearly as prevalent as HaMo does, apparently.

 

[douglasbader]

I still love you @Monster , but this is Halo and we Thunderdome here.

 

[Gushawk]

And to the extent such promises do exist, they have very little to do with a scenario in which a player takes and keeps one bag and then immediately takes a bigger bag elsewhere. Just not much overlap there, imo.

 

[Monster]

I don’t think outright, unconditional promises to start (or that a coach will never lleave) are nearly as prevalent as HaMo does, apparently.

Nor are kids walking out on a school and just keeping the money. Probably the same prevalence. But the focus seems to be the kids and not the scummy adults.

10 years from now when coaches and intermediaries have enriched themselves by gaming this system, I doubt there will be any kids thinking how proud they are for not participating. Especially while walking on shitty knees doing a shitty job. It's just another class system issue.

 

[Monster]

I still love you @Monster , but this is Halo and we Thunderdome here.

I know, buddy. You know I you. I don't honestly care all that much about this. Just giving it back. Tis the way of the 'dome.

 

[Monster]

One more thing that I'll add is part of the reason this system hasn't changed is because there are a lot of adults benefiting from it who don't want it to change. Sure, you see some vocal coaches complaining about how the system works. But there are some up and coming coaches who see this as a way for them to advance. Grifters.

 

[Hawk&Balls]

I'm going to the gym. Someone let me know if this gets resolved.

Liar

 

[Kamala]

I've asked the question several times. No answer yet. Do you expect the athletes to behave with more loyalty and ethics than the cosc,agents, and collective reps?

I would expect my kid to act ethically. How agents and NIL reps behave is irrelevant to that

 

[Hawkstrat]

College students are not children.

 

[Monster]

Liar

 

[Monster]

College students are not children.

Yeah yeah whatever.

 

[Dr. Zaius]

You blue yourself

 

[Gushawk]

Nor are kids walking out on a school and just keeping the money. Probably the same prevalence. But the focus seems to be the kids and not the scummy adults.

10 years from now when coaches and intermediaries have enriched themselves by gaming this system, I doubt there will be any kids thinking how proud they are for not participating. Especially while walking on shitty knees doing a shitty job. It's just another class system issue.

Some kids are, including on my beloved alma mater. I’m still a little sore about Kadyn pwning Brad, especially since I bought that shitty Swarm beer in Kinnick thinking iI was doing something productive.

 

[Monster]

Some kids are, including on my beloved alma mater. I’m still a little sore about Kadyn pwning Brad, especially since I bought that shitty Swarm beer in Kinnick thinking iI was doing something productive.

Trust me, I know. I was looking forward to sitting in some sweet seats in the parents section watching my beloved Iowa hawkeyes.

 

[Gushawk]

Love me some flexing HaMo, even and maybe especially when he’s defending scumbags.

 

[Hawk&Balls]

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[BillyBob]

NIL really screwed up that Kadyn Proctor fella.

He woulda been better off in the old days, developing for 3 years at any great program. Then would have been set for a long career and nine figure earnings.

Although he doesn’t seem to have great character or come from good home, so maybe he woulda fucked it all up anyways.

That Brad guy really did get fucking pwned tho.

 

[Monster]

Love me some flexing HaMo, even and maybe especially when he’s defending scumbags.

I feel the same about you, friend, defending the scumbag coaches and agents. It's disappointing. But, I you.

 

[Alan Lomax]

I think there’s scumbags at every level. And there should be fewer at a higher age, because hopefully at some point everyone figures out fucking over people is a shitty thing to do. If you’re older and shitty you suck more. And if you’re younger and shitty, you suck.

 

[Brownzy]

The SDSU WR wasn’t visiting this weekend as speculated. He was at NW this weekend and committed. It was the QB and DT (who just committed) in town, reading that it’s either going to be Iowa or NFL for the QB, so pry will go to NFL and we will suck a ton next year. Go Hawks.

 

[Gushawk]

I can’t see the QB making more than one game’s difference in our record.

 

[Revolver]

Love me some flexing HaMo, even and maybe especially when he’s defending scumbags.

I love the thought of him tossing around parlay advice to the fish at the gym in between sets. Hamo The Greek is my favorite Hamo.

 

[Monster]

I love the thought of him tossing around parlay advice to the fish at the gym in between sets. Hamo The Greek is my favorite Hamo.

Lol I don't talk at the gym. I'm an introvert at heart.